On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:50:48 -0800, "LM" wrote:

Hi Netmax,

I'll try to post a photo.

as for turbulence, i have two powerhead 200's churning the UGF and HOT
Magnum filter on the 37G.. it's pretty turbulent in there without blowing
fish around too much :-) I bouthg tand meant to use the HOT filter as a
temporary cleaning filter, but got lazy and just left it on the tank one
day, and it's been there since :-) it's just full of fiberous filter
material that gets cleaned every several months when it gets clogged so bad
the flow becomes noticably slower.

recently SAE's been harassing eachother.. may be the tank is getting small
for them? hmm...

I have 6 four inch SAEs in a 29 gallon community tank, 8 in a 75
gallon tank and 1 in a 10 gallon tank. All get along with their
mates. One noticeable difference in the 75 gallon, the SAEs, Clown
Loaches, Blue Gouramis and Black Mollies get into a group swim and
swarm up and down in one corner. It is amazing to see. Never any
rumble, just appears to be fun.

When the fish were new, there was individual species shoaling. As
they lived together longer, there has been less and less shoaling by
species. However, resting seems to still be done by species. The
SAEs will rest on one Annubia plant each on its own leaf, whereas the
Clown Loaches go into the base of a plant, usually out of my sight.

dick

I wrote this in the other reply, but just to reiterate what I have in the
tank now:

4 SAEs
4 pearl gouramis (t. leeri)
4 zebra loaches (b. striata)
3 chain/dwarf loaches (b. sidthemunkis)
? otocincluses (more than 3, less than 7... they keep hiding so it's hard to
tell)
2 danios (both 2+ yr old, so they're getting old... don't intend to replace
them after they go to fish heaven)
3 Amazon sword (BIG.. about 15in tall and bushy)
1 anubias (getting big too.. sprawling across an 8-in driftwood)
bunch of java ferns (dense foliage...)
bunch of stem plants (looking stringy due to SAE damage..)

linda

Some really excellent ideas there Michal. I wonder if linda could post
some pics. SAEs are riverine fish, so an area of the tank with higher
turbulence might give them some much needed exercise. Varying the size
of the food can help too (small fish concentrate on smaller pieces, while
fat fish don't bother). Getting them to fight over an algae wafer in a
back corner can sometimes be a good diversion to the real feeding going
on in the front. An example of diet food is cucumber, which is mostly
water. Ultimately you might need to reset the tank, and move the SAEs
into a larger tank with larger and equally aggressive eaters so that you
can tone down this current tank.
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Hi,

yeah.. 2 of the 4 looks like the ones in the photo. the 2 "fat" ones have a
belly that bulges out down and out more.. when he lies on gravel or
something flat, if you're only looking at his belly, it looks like he's
arching his back and sticking out his belly so his front fins (pectoral?)
barely touch the ground... but he's not (the back looks normal).

i tired taking photo.. hard to do (fast swimmer). I'll try again. all the
photos I took that shows his pudginess only shows his snout and beginning of
his belly region. i'll see if I can coax him to come out more when there's
food out tonight...

linda

"Mean_Chlorine" wrote in message
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Thusly "LM" Spake Unto All:

I'll try to post a photo.

You'll find that difficult in this group.
However for comparison, these SAE's:
http://www.andras.net/images/siamese_algae_eater_6.jpg
http://www.aquabotanic.com/images/SAE2.gif
aren't fat.

recently SAE's been harassing eachother.. may be the tank is getting
small
for them? hmm...

No, they often do that. SAE's are said to be peaceful and social, and
compared to chinese algae eaters they are, but it's still a truth with
considerable modification - quarrelling and chasing are normal
activities of SAE's. Some individuals can be *very* aggressive against
conspecifics. No harm will come of it, provided you have tight-fitting
lid (otherwise you'll start finding SAE's on the carpet, as they tend
to jump when chased).
If it gets annoying, with constant round-the-clock chasing, buying
more of them may help diffuse aggression.
Alternatively, if you have one of those excessively aggressive
individuals, removing it might not be a bad idea.