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Reel McKoi March 27th 05 05:30 PM


"Sean Dinh" wrote in message
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Silicone grease is available at Home Depot, in the plumping
section. I've used it on O-ring when replacing the O-ring in
faucet and bath water valves.

I've never heard of rtv cement. I've used rtv silicone to
make gaskets. They're in auto stores.

Use silicone grease to seal O-ring on turning shaft. Use rtv
silicone to seal stationary parts.

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Thanks Sean. I'll let you guys know if the grease my husband used worked or
not. I'm going to plug it in as soon as I finish my morning coffee here.
If it didn't work - then this week we'll check out the Auto Zone in
town.....
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McKoi.... the frugal ponder...
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PlainBill March 27th 05 07:24 PM

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:21:54 -0600, "Reel McKoi" wrote:


"PlainBill" wrote in message
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On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 17:16:20 -0600, "Reel McKoi" wrote:

My 1200 gph pump is flipping the breaker. AAARRGGGHHHH! It's a

thermally
protected Beckett. How is water getting to the "juice?" I don't suppose
they can be fixed - anyone?

I had to scramble to hook up a 500 gph just to keep the water moving.

:-(

I've had this happen with two Beckett's. In each case, it wasn't an
overload, but current leakage that tripped the GFCI. If you
disassemble it, you can see the problem - the o-ring that seals the
motor to the housing.


## YEP!!! When we opened the pump about 1/4 cup of water ran out. We
allowed it to dry out all day and sealed it with GREASE. Hubby tightened
them nicely this time. Also, the screws were not real tight when I
unscrewed them - probably causing a poor seal. :-( Home Depot no longer
carries these pumps nor does Foster&Smith. We don't know if the is grease
will work so ordered another pump just in case, a Pondmaster Mag Drive @
1800 gph. Price w/shipping & handling came to $140.98.

I'd suggest giving it a week or more to dry
out,


## He wouldn't wait. We left it in the hot sun to dry and it was dry by the
time we got back from town. I would have waited a few days.

then coating the o-ring with either silicon grease (available
from a pool store) or rtv cement.


## No pool stores here. No one had heard of rtv cement at Lowe's or Home
Depot. All we could find was silicon "oil" so my husband used Dielectric
grease.

Since it's going into a pond, give
the rtv plenty of time to cure and the byproducts to dissipate.


## What is the full name of rtv cement? What is it usually used for?


I believe it's a Dow Corning trademark. GE also has a clear 'Tub and
Tile' caulk that is essentially the same thing. Essentially the stuff
reacts with moisture in the air to start the curing process. I'd give
it 24 hours to cure, just to let the volatiles dissipate. The
silicone grease your husband used is about the same thing, except it
never cures.

PlainBill

Reel McKoi March 27th 05 11:03 PM


"PlainBill" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:21:54 -0600, "Reel McKoi" wrote:
I believe it's a Dow Corning trademark. GE also has a clear 'Tub and
Tile' caulk that is essentially the same thing. Essentially the stuff
reacts with moisture in the air to start the curing process. I'd give
it 24 hours to cure, just to let the volatiles dissipate. The
silicone grease your husband used is about the same thing, except it
never cures.

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If water still leaks in we'll know what to get and where to get it....
So far so good - the pump's been running for hours... :-)
--
McKoi.... the frugal ponder...
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o


Derek Broughton March 29th 05 06:49 PM

Reel McKoi wrote:

## YEP!!! When we opened the pump about 1/4 cup of water ran out. We
allowed it to dry out all day and sealed it with GREASE. Hubby tightened
them nicely this time. Also, the screws were not real tight when I
unscrewed them - probably causing a poor seal. :-( Home Depot no
longer
carries these pumps nor does Foster&Smith. We don't know if the is grease
will work so ordered another pump just in case, a Pondmaster Mag Drive @
1800 gph. Price w/shipping & handling came to $140.98.

There's pros and cons there. The pondmaster should never have this problem,
as afaik the motor is epoxy encased. otoh, you can't ever give it even a
temporary fix by slapping a lot of grease in it :-) on the whole though,
I've heard much better things about the Pondmasters than about Beckets.
--
derek

~Roy~ March 29th 05 11:48 PM



Becketts are pityfull pumps compared to Danner Pond
Master....Pondmasters have the top end hands down, in regards to life
expectency, non-oil filled, no seals to leak, and less power
consumption. For what the big box stores charge for a Becket or Little
Giant, you can get a great pondmaster.....plus most models are capable
of submerged or outside the water use...





On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:49:34 -0400, Derek Broughton
wrote:

===Reel McKoi wrote:
===
=== ## YEP!!! When we opened the pump about 1/4 cup of water ran out. We
=== allowed it to dry out all day and sealed it with GREASE. Hubby tightened
=== them nicely this time. Also, the screws were not real tight when I
=== unscrewed them - probably causing a poor seal. :-( Home Depot no
=== longer
=== carries these pumps nor does Foster&Smith. We don't know if the is grease
=== will work so ordered another pump just in case, a Pondmaster Mag Drive @
=== 1800 gph. Price w/shipping & handling came to $140.98.
===
===There's pros and cons there. The pondmaster should never have this problem,
===as afaik the motor is epoxy encased. otoh, you can't ever give it even a
===temporary fix by slapping a lot of grease in it :-) on the whole though,
===I've heard much better things about the Pondmasters than about Beckets.



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Put some color in your cheeks...garden naked!

Reel McKoi March 30th 05 03:15 AM


"Derek Broughton" wrote in message
...
Reel McKoi wrote:

## YEP!!! When we opened the pump about 1/4 cup of water ran out. We
allowed it to dry out all day and sealed it with GREASE. Hubby

tightened
them nicely this time. Also, the screws were not real tight when I
unscrewed them - probably causing a poor seal. :-( Home Depot no
longer
carries these pumps nor does Foster&Smith. We don't know if the is

grease
will work so ordered another pump just in case, a Pondmaster Mag Drive @
1800 gph. Price w/shipping & handling came to $140.98.

=========================================
There's pros and cons there. The pondmaster should never have this

problem,
as afaik the motor is epoxy encased. otoh, you can't ever give it even a
temporary fix by slapping a lot of grease in it :-) on the whole though,
I've heard much better things about the Pondmasters than about Beckets.

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Oh well,.... so far so good. The old Beckett is running like a champ. The
new pump will be here in a few days "just in case." The water is already
clearing up a little.

The smaller pond is crystal clear today, really showing off the Butterfly
koi's beautiful diamond scales and silvery sheen. That pond (about 800
gallons) only has a 500 gph pump pumping water through a Tetra external
filter.

--
McKoi.... the frugal ponder...
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o





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