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NetMax May 17th 05 03:52 AM

"Chris" wrote in message
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says...
Waitaminute. You said "a few zebra danios and a couple of black
tetras." Those aren't bottom feeders so I see you added more fish.
You
will need to be doing more and larger water changes. What is in your
tank now?


Sorry, my bad. I forgot to list two small Corys... Total fish in
inches:
12. Total gallons: 29...

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Chris
http://www.choxnpinz.com



Holding out on us eh? Poor Corys didn't even count as fish :o( ;~)

To answer your other post, the amount of water which can safely be
changed is determined by how similar (or different) the change water is
compared to the tank water (more similar = bigger changes possible). If
you haven't changed the tank water in months, or you suspect/know the
chemistry has significantly changed (like during cycling), then you
should minimize the volume of the change. At the other extreme, if you
change most of your water very frequently and have a low fish load, then
you might not have any limitation to the volume being changed. It is
possible to have a routine of frequent 100% changes (though this is a
specialized application used to minimize DOC build up with grow-out
tanks). Typical change is in the order of 20%.
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www.NetMax.tk



Chris May 17th 05 04:32 AM

In article , eetmail-
says...

If your tapwater pH matches that of the tankwater, the hardness is
similar, and you have matched the temperatures, it's fine to do big 50%
water changes. The problem with a tank that contains ammonia is that
tapwater typically has a higher pH than tankwater so if you change too
much the pH of the tank changes and there is more ammonia in the toxic
form. Using an ammonia neutralizer AmQuel or Ammo Lock will solve this
problem.


Granted, I don't know much, but I knew enough to keep a 7-gallon
drinking-water jug in the same room, filled with tap water that has been
pH balanced to match the tank and conditioned. When I do a chance, I let
it sit outside for a couple of hours (in the sun) to warm it to the same
temp as the tank before doing the change.

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Chris
http://www.choxnpinz.com

Chris May 17th 05 04:34 AM

In article ,
says...

Holding out on us eh? Poor Corys didn't even count as fish :o( ;~)


I humbly apologize. I posted a response to Elaine's reply which was
similar to your own. Thanks for the positive input!!

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Chris
http://www.choxnpinz.com

Elaine T May 17th 05 04:56 AM

Chris wrote:
In article , eetmail-
says...


If your tapwater pH matches that of the tankwater, the hardness is
similar, and you have matched the temperatures, it's fine to do big 50%
water changes. The problem with a tank that contains ammonia is that
tapwater typically has a higher pH than tankwater so if you change too
much the pH of the tank changes and there is more ammonia in the toxic
form. Using an ammonia neutralizer AmQuel or Ammo Lock will solve this
problem.



Granted, I don't know much, but I knew enough to keep a 7-gallon
drinking-water jug in the same room, filled with tap water that has been
pH balanced to match the tank and conditioned. When I do a chance, I let
it sit outside for a couple of hours (in the sun) to warm it to the same
temp as the tank before doing the change.

Cool - that works. :-) For another option, I use a Python water
changer to fill my tanks. I put the water conditioner directly in the
tank, adjust the tap water to the right temperature, and fill away. I
do frequent large water changes and my fish live at tapwater pH so I
don't often have to worry about pH differences. I also don't have to
try to lift 7 gallons of drinking water 5 feet high to fill my deepest tank!

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Scott May 17th 05 06:09 AM


"Chris" wrote in message
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The battery powered gravel vaccs work good except for one thing - the
bags
the vacced crud goes into doesn't hold the gunk inside so usually you end
up
with very cloudy water and little if any actual crud in the bag. Gravel
vacs
that use a siphon are superior because they don't dirty the tank
spreading
the crud all over the place like the battery powered ones, also the
gravity
vaccs change water at the same time and are safe for fry. The power of
the
battery powered ones are good - it's just that they tend to dirty a tank
more than just about any other method. Good luck, later!


I have a gravel vac that I use for water changes, but the water comes
out so fast I end up filling the 5-gallon bucket before de-crudding half
the tank. Is it safe to remove MORE than 20% of the water during a
change?

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Chris
http://www.choxnpinz.com


I use a python gravel cleaner/filling setup - with that, you can limit the
outflow on the siphon so you can clean all you want. I use the faucet in my
sink to start the siphon and then move the hose to my tub so I don't have to
use running water to keep the siphon going. Then I limit the flow with the
valve on the python's hose. As long as your sink or tub is lower than your
fish tank, then you can keep the flow going in this manner. Now that the
weather is warmer, I can also run the hose out of the kitchen door onto my
flowers and water them. I got the python for about $30 USD, but I would
recommend springing for the extra 25 feet for the more expensive one, since
we all seem to have a problem with adding more tanks then we need. My 25
foot just BARELY reaches my furthest tank, and I only have four of them...
can't add more tanks without adding more to my python - I refuse to do
without it!!

btw, this does away with 5 gallon buckets... Which I get for free from
work.... now I need to figure out what to do with the stack of them that I
have... hmmm planters?? Unique light fixtures??

---scott



Daniel Morrow May 19th 05 02:15 AM


"Chris" wrote in message
ews.com...
In article ,
says...
The battery powered gravel vaccs work good except for one thing - the

bags
the vacced crud goes into doesn't hold the gunk inside so usually you

end up
with very cloudy water and little if any actual crud in the bag. Gravel

vacs
that use a siphon are superior because they don't dirty the tank

spreading
the crud all over the place like the battery powered ones, also the

gravity
vaccs change water at the same time and are safe for fry. The power of

the
battery powered ones are good - it's just that they tend to dirty a tank
more than just about any other method. Good luck, later!


I have a gravel vac that I use for water changes, but the water comes
out so fast I end up filling the 5-gallon bucket before de-crudding half


Try using a smaller gravel vac like a marineland mini siphon kleen for
approximately $04.00. It should make a big difference. Later!





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