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KerplunKuK June 17th 05 07:20 PM

George scribbled :
Perhaps if the person posting his question could post his water parameters
(pH, ammmonia, nitrites, nitrates, general hardness), we could give him more
specific information.

The results from the testing are as follows;
pH= 7.6
Ammonia= 0 - 0.125ppm
Nitrite= 5ppm
Nitrate= 0ppm
Hardness= 201-300 mg/l

Anything else needed? My next step is to introduce many more plants. Are
there any that are especially good, or is any plant good?
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RichToyBox June 17th 05 07:39 PM

With a nitrite level of 5, your filter has not completely cycled. That high
a nitrite level is dangerous to the fish, without salt in the pond. Add
about 1 pound per hundred gallons to get a salt level that will protect the
fish. Once the nitrite levels come down to 0, then remove the salt through
water changes. Plants, and particularly algae, like their nitrogen first
from ammonia, then nitrites, and then nitrates. With an uncycled filter,
you have some minimal ammonia left, and high nitrites, so the algae is
thriving.

Filters are marketed with a pond size in gallons, liters, etc. This is very
poor, since the size of a filter should be based on the amount of waste,
which is associated with number of fish, turtles, frogs, etc., size of each,
number of feedings, water temperature, etc. Most filters are over rated by
a factor of at least 2. I run filters that will supposedly handle about 4
times the volume of my ponds.

I am assuming, by your pH, that the hardness value you stated, is the GH
hardness, not the KH carbonate hardness. KH helps to stabilize the pH and
helps the filter bacteria, which consume a certain amount of it. If you
have not checked it, then please do. The level should be a minimum of 100,
and can be as high as 300 without harm. To raise the KH, use regular old
baking soda.
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"KerplunKuK" wrote in message
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George scribbled :
Perhaps if the person posting his question could post his water parameters
(pH, ammmonia, nitrites, nitrates, general hardness), we could give him
more
specific information.

The results from the testing are as follows;
pH= 7.6
Ammonia= 0 - 0.125ppm
Nitrite= 5ppm
Nitrate= 0ppm
Hardness= 201-300 mg/l

Anything else needed? My next step is to introduce many more plants. Are
there any that are especially good, or is any plant good?
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KerplunKuK June 17th 05 07:57 PM

RichToyBox scribbled :

I am assuming, by your pH, that the hardness value you stated, is the
GH hardness, not the KH carbonate hardness. KH helps to stabilize
the pH and helps the filter bacteria, which consume a certain amount
of it.


That reading was taken from my local water authorities website at
www.anglianwater.co.uk

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George June 17th 05 09:35 PM


"KerplunKuK" wrote in message
...
George scribbled :
Perhaps if the person posting his question could post his water
parameters
(pH, ammmonia, nitrites, nitrates, general hardness), we could give him
more
specific information.

The results from the testing are as follows;
pH= 7.6
Ammonia= 0 - 0.125ppm
Nitrite= 5ppm
Nitrate= 0ppm
Hardness= 201-300 mg/l

Anything else needed? My next step is to introduce many more plants.
Are
there any that are especially good, or is any plant good?


Hmmm. The pH is fine. However, those ammonia and nitrite levels would
concern me, especially the nitrite, as it can be toxic to fish and
invertebrates at that level. Ideally, the nitrite levels should be 0 ppm.
The hardness is off the charts as well, and is even higher than what is
recommended for salt water aqauriums. Normally, the acceptable general
hardness for freshwater ponds and aquariums is about 80-100 ppm. But this
is the lesser of my concerns. It can have a greater affect on the plants
than the fish at that concentration. I would look into finding a more
accurate kit for measuring your hardness. Are you using well water? What
is the source of your water? You may need to do a partial water change to
get these concentrations back down to acceptable levels. Having said that,
you should test your water source first to make sure it isn't the source of
these high concentrations. As for plants, water lillies are good, as are
any number of other water plants. That really is up to you, as you know
better than anyone else what space you have available for addition of
plants, and what type of animals you have in the pond (i.e., Koi are
notorious for eating/destroying certain plants). I would find a good local
source for water plants, and talk to the owner/dealer. He would know what
grows best in your area.



George June 17th 05 09:39 PM


"KerplunKuK" wrote in message
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RichToyBox scribbled :

I am assuming, by your pH, that the hardness value you stated, is the
GH hardness, not the KH carbonate hardness. KH helps to stabilize
the pH and helps the filter bacteria, which consume a certain amount
of it.


That reading was taken from my local water authorities website at
www.anglianwater.co.uk

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You are saying that the numbers you provided are in your drinking water?
Hmmm.



KerplunKuK June 17th 05 10:09 PM

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You are saying that the numbers you provided are in your drinking
water? Hmmm.


Only the hardness the rest are from my pond.
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KerplunKuK June 17th 05 10:24 PM

George scribbled :
What is the
source of your water?


The water comes from a rain reservoir, I will obtain a hardness measuring
kit. My 5ppm are on the generous side, probably closer to 0 than 5. How do
I go about softening an entire pond of water?
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George June 18th 05 12:13 PM


"KerplunKuK" wrote in message
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George scribbled :

You are saying that the numbers you provided are in your drinking
water? Hmmm.


Only the hardness the rest are from my pond.
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Oh.



George June 18th 05 12:17 PM


"KerplunKuK" wrote in message
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George scribbled :
What is the
source of your water?


The water comes from a rain reservoir, I will obtain a hardness measuring
kit. My 5ppm are on the generous side, probably closer to 0 than 5. How
do
I go about softening an entire pond of water?
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Essentially, you don't. I really wouldn't worry too much about it if the
fish and plants are doing well. But if by 5 ppm you are referring to the
nitrite levels, I would definitely consider doing at least a 5% water
change, 10% if you can spare the water.



Reel Mckoi June 20th 05 11:40 PM

George wrote:
"KerplunKuK" wrote in message
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George scribbled :


You are saying that the numbers you provided are in your drinking
water? Hmmm.


Only the hardness the rest are from my pond.
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