OT, sulphide gases was Smell of nitrites
 

OT, regarding Ja b riol in the ' AråchñÕe¤ thread ', these persons are
fully capable, willing and planning to bring significant havoc to rafm.
Rec.ponds is a wreck and alt.aquaria is currently being overwhelmed. If
nothing changes, we will be their next target, and our options are
limited. I don't know about you, but I'm rather fond of rafm and have
enjoyed many interesting discussions here. When I can repeat
conversations to friends, from the newsgroup, then I know the group is
part of my life (social, entertainment and academic too).

If they choose to snow us under 100s of robo-generated posts, they will
regardless. If they want to intimidate me, then they now have a very big
target with over 10,000 mostly boring posts from which to gather
information from (they'll know more about my tanks than I'll remember
;~). fwiw, I'll take your advice if the exchange is fruitless, but
regardless of the outcome, it was worth asking them to stop... the cause
justifies the effort, eh?

One thing these trolls sometimes do is post under a regular poster's
name and email address. We've already seen it happen a couple of times
If someone suddenly writes something out of character, check whether
it's from their regular news server (you can find that in the header)
or ask before you assume they've "gone off the deep end."

Good luck with that water, NetMax.

Smell of nitrites
 

On 18 Feb 2006 10:18:29 -0800, "Altum" wrote:

The dead fish thread reminded me of something. I can smell high
nitrites as soon as I walk into a room. That's how I knew the water was
probably fine in the tank with the lost guppy before I even tested it.
I always know when the nitrites appear in a cycling tank, and I know
the smell of a healthy, mature filter. Am I the only one who "tests"
water chemistry by sniffing it?

Well, with a name like "Altum", this doesn't seem surprising.

-- Mr Gardener

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On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 00:34:32 +0000 (UTC), (Flash
Wilson) wrote:

On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 18:18:37 -0500, NetMax wrote:
;~). fwiw, I'll take your advice if the exchange is fruitless, but
regardless of the outcome, it was worth asking them to stop... the cause
justifies the effort, eh?

I kind of agree, the sensitive being in me wants to agree, but
the geek in me says "just killfile, and hard".

We don't have to view the ******** they spout.

The patient in me worries that the impatient in me is setting
killfiles on people who didn't really write the messages I'm killing -
I'm having trouble figuring out who's on first and who's stealing
who's identity. And if I'm not careful, everyone is going to end up in
my killfiles, which would probably please the blue meanies very much.
So I'll begin again by unkilling all of my current kills.




-- Mr Gardener

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On 18 Feb 2006 16:56:06 -0800, "Altum" wrote:

OT, regarding Ja b riol in the ' AråchñÕe¤ thread ', these persons are
fully capable, willing and planning to bring significant havoc to rafm.
Rec.ponds is a wreck and alt.aquaria is currently being overwhelmed. If
nothing changes, we will be their next target, and our options are
limited. I don't know about you, but I'm rather fond of rafm and have
enjoyed many interesting discussions here. When I can repeat
conversations to friends, from the newsgroup, then I know the group is
part of my life (social, entertainment and academic too).

If they choose to snow us under 100s of robo-generated posts, they will
regardless. If they want to intimidate me, then they now have a very big
target with over 10,000 mostly boring posts from which to gather
information from (they'll know more about my tanks than I'll remember
;~). fwiw, I'll take your advice if the exchange is fruitless, but
regardless of the outcome, it was worth asking them to stop... the cause
justifies the effort, eh?

One thing these trolls sometimes do is post under a regular poster's
name and email address. We've already seen it happen a couple of times
If someone suddenly writes something out of character, check whether
it's from their regular news server (you can find that in the header)
or ask before you assume they've "gone off the deep end."

Good luck with that water, NetMax.

Ask whom?

-- Mr Gardener

OT, sulphide gases was Smell of nitrites
 

"Mean_Chlorine" wrote in message
...
Thusly "NetMax" Spake Unto All:

Discounting their hydrogen peroxide, potassium permanganate, chlorine,
ozone and bleach treatments, they talk about aeration, and make mention
of an iron reducing valve having variable effectiveness (improves as
the
water is more acidic).

Yeah, degassing is more effective at lower pH's. However hydrogen
peroxide could help with the smell. I presume you know about devices
like this?:
http://www.malawicichlidhomepage.com.../oxydator.html

No I wasn't. Interesting device. The odour is not too strong. I don't
notice it in the shower, only when I'm using raw well water, and even
then it's not strong, just enough to cause some concern for the fish when
I get up to 20% water changes.

;~). fwiw, I'll take your advice if the exchange is fruitless, but
regardless of the outcome, it was worth asking them to stop... the
cause
justifies the effort, eh?

Just be careful. I know from personal experience that guys like these
can cause real-world effects.

If you can, email me off line with some real-world effects that I might
want to be aware of, but from the cursing I see going back and forth, my
questions to them seemed pretty tame. Thanks for the concern (to
everyone).
--
www.NetMax.tk

Smell of nitrites
 

Mr. Gardener wrote:

Well, with a name like "Altum", this doesn't seem surprising.

LOL! At least you didn't say I look like a fish. :-)

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NetMax wrote:


I don't know if I could detect ammonia with my nose, but I do smell a lot of
sulphur in my well water for the last month and it's worrying me for water
changes. To compensate, I'm using more turbulence in the water (hoping to
dissipate it faster), and I'm refilling the tanks slowly (less than a gallon
a minute). I've just started filling 5g water jugs a week earlier, so they
will have equalized more by the time I use them.

Does anyone know the characteristics of the source of this smell? Does it
take long to leave the water, and is the water left harmless after?


I remember reading in a Ministry of Environment brochure that the smell
often comes from iron-reducing bacteria in the well. A solution is to
chlorinate your well and water system, which is not a bad thing to do
occasionally. That's done by putting lots of water with abundant bleach
in it in the well, letting stand, then letting it into the water system
and letting stand again, before flushing out. Use the garden hose as
output of flushing, and don't run too much chlorinated water into the
septic system. It's more easily done in spring/ summer, and please
research the details before attempting it. The details are recorded as I
remember them from years ago.

Another source is supposed to be sulphate (gypsum, anhydrite) in the
rocks. that's not uncommon in eastern Ontario. You're near Ottawa, eh?

I'd think that using turbulent water into buckets will probably disperse
most of the sulphur gas.

Steve

OT, sulphide gases was Smell of nitrites
 

"Steve" wrote in message
.. .
NetMax wrote:


I don't know if I could detect ammonia with my nose, but I do smell a
lot of sulphur in my well water for the last month and it's worrying
me for water changes. To compensate, I'm using more turbulence in the
water (hoping to dissipate it faster), and I'm refilling the tanks
slowly (less than a gallon a minute). I've just started filling 5g
water jugs a week earlier, so they will have equalized more by the
time I use them.

Does anyone know the characteristics of the source of this smell?
Does it take long to leave the water, and is the water left harmless
after?


I remember reading in a Ministry of Environment brochure that the smell
often comes from iron-reducing bacteria in the well. A solution is to
chlorinate your well and water system, which is not a bad thing to do
occasionally. That's done by putting lots of water with abundant bleach
in it in the well, letting stand, then letting it into the water system
and letting stand again, before flushing out. Use the garden hose as
output of flushing, and don't run too much chlorinated water into the
septic system. It's more easily done in spring/ summer, and please
research the details before attempting it. The details are recorded as
I remember them from years ago.

Another source is supposed to be sulphate (gypsum, anhydrite) in the
rocks. that's not uncommon in eastern Ontario. You're near Ottawa, eh?

I'd think that using turbulent water into buckets will probably
disperse most of the sulphur gas.

Steve

Thanks Steve, that's interesting about the iron. I dug out an old water
test and they didn't test for H2S unfortunately, but there was a small
(+2) amount of sheated bacteria or iron bacteria, leptothrix spp. This
is why I shock the well periodically, as it leaves a red residue inside
the toilet tank. I'm attributing the odour to H2S since it is
intermittent.

I don't think the iron bacteria are anything which would threaten the
fish. Is the (gypsum, anhydrite) sulphate characteristics similar to H2S
(in regards to threat to fish and the ability to be released through
aeration)?
--
www.NetMax.tk

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"Altum" wrote in news:1140286709.246608.305140
@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

the smell of a healthy, mature filter. Am I the only one who "tests"
water chemistry by sniffing it?

Nope, you are not alone. With more than 260 tanks to look after, small is
often my first clue to a new potential problem when I walk into the fish
room in the morning. I will often follow my nose to the trouble spot. :)

Ammonium, nitrite, and nitrate all have their own distinctive smells.

Smell of nitrites
 

In article .com,
Altum wrote:
The dead fish thread reminded me of something. I can smell high
nitrites as soon as I walk into a room. That's how I knew the water was
probably fine in the tank with the lost guppy before I even tested it.
I always know when the nitrites appear in a cycling tank, and I know
the smell of a healthy, mature filter. Am I the only one who "tests"
water chemistry by sniffing it?


That's ammonia not nitrates you can smell and yeah you can
smell it across a room if you know what it is.


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