Thanks! Specific follw-Ups:
 

hi --we moved the location of the tank. It will now be conducive to hang-off
items. Would a hang-off Sump be prefferable to using the Eheim 2227?

What I would do in your shoes is to buy an Eheim 2224 wet/dry filter, a
good
protein skimmer, crushed coral substrate, about 30 pounds of cured live
rock, a powerhead or two to circulate the water around the rock, basic
fluorescent lighting, and whatever dead coral decorations you like. That
will make a decent FOWLR tank.

Thanks! Specific follw-Ups:
 

StringerBell wrote:
hi --we moved the location of the tank. It will now be conducive to hang-off
items. Would a hang-off Sump be prefferable to using the Eheim 2227?

You might want to consider the CPR refugium/protein skimmer.

What I would do in your shoes is to buy an Eheim 2224 wet/dry filter, a
good
protein skimmer, crushed coral substrate, about 30 pounds of cured live
rock, a powerhead or two to circulate the water around the rock, basic
fluorescent lighting, and whatever dead coral decorations you like. That
will make a decent FOWLR tank.

Mike

Thanks! Specific follw-Ups:
 

StringerBell wrote:
hi --we moved the location of the tank. It will now be conducive to hang-off
items. Would a hang-off Sump be prefferable to using the Eheim 2227?

If you follow Mike's suggestion of buying a CPR, you will be in a better
position to move towards a full reef system if you want to do that later. The
Eheim is closer to the filtration systems used in the 80s. That might be more
familiar to you.

The Eheim is just a fancy wet/dry filter. If you want to stick with that sort of
technology, you might be able to find another wet/dry that hangs on the back of
the tank.

With a refugium, you're going more to a living filtration system. It's a bit
harder to get everything into balance and keep it there.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

Looking at BakPak Dual
 

Thanks again.
Ive stumbled acroos the BakPak Dual Skimmer/Filter while bleary eyed on the
internet.
This seems like something I`d be comfortable with . I`ll have Live-Rock in
the Aquarium also.

Let me know if there any concerns about this model. I`m gonna make a move in
the near future.

"George Patterson" wrote in message
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StringerBell wrote:
hi --we moved the location of the tank. It will now be conducive to
hang-off
items. Would a hang-off Sump be prefferable to using the Eheim 2227?

If you follow Mike's suggestion of buying a CPR, you will be in a better
position to move towards a full reef system if you want to do that later.
The Eheim is closer to the filtration systems used in the 80s. That might
be more familiar to you.

The Eheim is just a fancy wet/dry filter. If you want to stick with that
sort of technology, you might be able to find another wet/dry that hangs
on the back of the tank.

With a refugium, you're going more to a living filtration system. It's a
bit harder to get everything into balance and keep it there.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

nudge me in right direction
 

Hey Stringer,

In your reading, look up the Emperor 400 filter. It was shown to me by a guy
who has been doing this for years. He manages a shop and has two on his
100+ gallon tank with all his corals, etc for sale. It looked great. After
doing lots of reading I picked up two for my 90g and they're great. It's
all I use for any filtration for now.

After several months now, I'm thinking of adding a skimmer just so I won't
have to clean green algae off the glass as often (I have MH lights that feed
the green algae for now until the corraline picks up); but as far as current
water quality, coral and fish health, the Emperor 400 is awesome. Don't do
a canister on a reef tank. Don't do underwater gravel filter on the reef
tank either. Keep reading and you'll see those opinions throughout.

B


"StringerBell" wrote in message
...
hi,
First of all---thanks for all the response Ive received on the NG. You
have
been VERY helpfull and patient.
But I am SO frustrated.
Here is my situation:
Back in the 80`s, my wife and I enjoyed a great 45 gallon marine tank. It
ran on a cannister filter, and an undergravel filter with powerheads.
Without me being a real scientist type, the tank STILL did great for about
5
years until a summer vacation power-outage disaster.Let`s just say that
the
only thing we found alive was the Snowflake Moray.
Now, 20 years later my wife gave me a great 65 gallon tank and wants it to
be a Marine tank like the old days.
I have gotten so much conflicting advice on filters from my local pet
shops that my head is literally swimming.
From what I have seen on the internet---it seems the preffered method to
have a marine aquarium these days is to use Live Rock (in collaboration
with a protein skimmer)as the filtration system. This sounds very
intriguing to me, but is SO outside my paradigm for a fish tank!---
What usually provides the water current in these systems? Hidden
powerheads? Or do Skimmers provide some water Current? Does the rock work
so well that the water quality is high and appears clear?
This Live-Rock angle seems like the right thing to try. What are some
pitfalls?
Please direct me to FAQs, etc.

thanks for your time and patience

nudge me in right direction
 

"Bryan" wrote in message
...
Hey Stringer,

In your reading, look up the Emperor 400 filter.


thanks man

Looking at BakPak Dual
 

StringerBell wrote:
Thanks again.
Ive stumbled acroos the BakPak Dual Skimmer/Filter while bleary eyed on the
internet.
This seems like something I`d be comfortable with . I`ll have Live-Rock in
the Aquarium also.

Let me know if there any concerns about this model. I`m gonna make a move in
the near future.

The skimmer/filter is nice. It's not the greatest skimmer, but it's
good. Refugiums are also nice if you plan on keeping such fish as
mandarin/psychedelic gobies, 4 wheel drive gobies, etc.

Mike
"George Patterson" wrote in message
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StringerBell wrote:
hi --we moved the location of the tank. It will now be conducive to
hang-off
items. Would a hang-off Sump be prefferable to using the Eheim 2227?

If you follow Mike's suggestion of buying a CPR, you will be in a better
position to move towards a full reef system if you want to do that later.
The Eheim is closer to the filtration systems used in the 80s. That might
be more familiar to you.

The Eheim is just a fancy wet/dry filter. If you want to stick with that
sort of technology, you might be able to find another wet/dry that hangs
on the back of the tank.

With a refugium, you're going more to a living filtration system. It's a
bit harder to get everything into balance and keep it there.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

CPR Refugium=Filter?
 

wrote in message
You might want to consider the CPR refugium/protein skimmer.

Yes---its almost 3:30 A.M. where I am. At least I`m researching this
project!

This HOB Refugium looks awesome. We took down a section of facade wall
today---so now the tank will be about 1/2 in the living room,1/2 in the
kitchen.Thats what is allowing me to HOB now. If the Refugium is acceptable
as a filter, then it adds something a lot more interesting to look at in the
kitchen than a tank-back!

Can I use a Skimmerless Aquafuge as a filter with a seperate protein
skimmer? The AquaC Remora HOB has been highly reccomended to me.
Also---it seems that the Aquafuge is a living filter that you can use as a
display---like a super nano tank. I think it would be better to keep
something like a mechanical Protein Skimmer seperate from it. So---in case
I had a hassle with the skimmer I wouldnt have to mess with whole refugium.

thanks for all!

CPR Refugium=Filter?
 

StringerBell wrote:

wrote in message
You might want to consider the CPR refugium/protein skimmer.

This HOB Refugium looks awesome. We took down a section of facade wall
today---so now the tank will be about 1/2 in the living room,1/2 in the
kitchen.Thats what is allowing me to HOB now. If the Refugium is acceptable
as a filter, then it adds something a lot more interesting to look at in the
kitchen than a tank-back!

The CPR unit I'm talking about is a combination filter AND refugium,
with a little bit of a sump at the tank return for dosing, etc.

Can I use a Skimmerless Aquafuge as a filter with a seperate protein
skimmer? The AquaC Remora HOB has been highly reccomended to me.
Also---it seems that the Aquafuge is a living filter that you can use as a
display---like a super nano tank. I think it would be better to keep
something like a mechanical Protein Skimmer seperate from it. So---in case
I had a hassle with the skimmer I wouldnt have to mess with whole refugium.

You could do all those. A seperate skimmer and refugium would allow
you to upgrade one or the other seperately. The combo is cheaper.

If money is not a show stopper, and space isn't an issue, I'd go with
seperate units.

Mike

CPR Refugium=Filter?
 

wrote in message
The CPR unit I'm talking about is a combination filter AND refugium,
with a little bit of a sump at the tank return for dosing, etc.

OK---I get it, its a particular model. Not ALL Aquafuges are filters?
I think you are talking about the Aquafuge MP.
here is a link. Let me know if this is the right model.
http://www.cpraquatic.com/products/afmp.html
It doesnt look like a HOB though---so it looks like it would still be an
underneath type of sump that I might not want to deal with. Is there a HOB
refugium that has the features you are mentioning?

thanks!