sump design question
 

Is your auto topoff working through siphon?? Looks like it is going to the
sump but I don't see any aqualifter or external pump on that clear tube.

B

"Don Geddis" wrote in message
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"Bryan" wrote on Thu, 31 Aug 2006:
Will putting a filter pad around the pump going to the skimmer alleviate
the
concern for the pods?

Keep in mind that some people think even putting the pods through a return
pump drastically reduces the number of live ones that make it to the main
tank. Having a skimmer post-refugium can't help either. Also note that
even
if you had all sorts of equipment, SOME pods are going to make it to the
main
tank no matter what. (Imagine you had the opposite problem: a refugium
full
of pods, and you didn't want ANY in the main tank. Do you think you could
design a system that keeps them all out? It's tough...)

Perhaps a filter pad on the skimmer might be a little useful, but
"alleviate
the concern" probably goes too far.

I will say, though, that all I've ever heard are theories and anecdotes.
I
haven't heard anyone do real scientific research on how these designs
affect
the flow of pods into the main tank.

How did you do yours?

Refugium first, skimmer second. But that was more due to the geometry of
how my tank overflows worked, where the equipment would fit, etc. Not a
deliberate design. (I've only got one pump in the system, and I have a
separate refugium tank which gravity-drains into the lowest level sump;
the
return pump then sends everything back to the main tank.)

You can see how it works in a photo like this:
http://reef.geddis.org/a/Tank%20-%20...p/dsc03923.jpg
There are two overflows off the main tank: on the left, and on the right.
In the bottom cabinet, the refugium is the elevated tank on the right.
The sump, with the skimmer (in the sump) and external return pump (to the
right of the sump) is in the cabinet on the left. The refugium
gravity-drains
into the sump. (The white bucket on the right is kalkwasser auto-topoff.)

-- Don
__________________________________________________ _____________________________
Don Geddis
http://reef.geddis.org/

ID help on 3 things and I'll throw in a sump design question
 

thanks Wayne. Yeah I added on to my mailer that I did ID the blue velvet.
I actually have two yellow-tail blue damsels. That one in the pic is not
one of them. His tail structure is different and he isn't really all that
blue up front, more of a silver. That first night they were all camera shy.

I just put new pics of him up. That yellow tail guy and the worm (even if
it's safe I would like an idea of what it is) are still a little mystery.

http://www.geocities.com/bryg30/ photopagespiral.html He's in the first 3
pics.

Thanks,

Bryan




"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
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Velvet Damsel (quite agressive, gets bigger and less pretty), yellow tail
blue damsel, and harmless worm.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Bryan wrote on 8/30/2006 1:46 AM:
I had to help out a friend get some livestock, etc out of his tank. I
know three of the fish but these two I'm not sure of. I'd appreciate the
help. I know I've seen these before while surfing but now that I need to
know, alas I cannot find them. (Yeah I was a bit amiss that he didn't
know his own fish either. No comments please on his lack of knowledge or
the risk I could be taking doing this. :) )

http://www.geocities.com/bryg30/photopagespiral.html


The third item is a worm I've had for a while. I first saw it a few
weeks back and still do every once in a while. I don't have a pic but
shouldn't need one. Imagine a kit string going in and out of your rocks,
rather slowly. It's very white and very thin. I've seen about 4" of him
so far. What I can discern as his head has no eye, or even a shape change
that even makes it look like a head, like many flatworms (such as
http://www.aecos.com/CPIE/flatworm.jpg) do. It just comes to a point.
It almost looks like a really long tentacle from a spaghetti worm.

Any ideas? Gracias de Texas.


Also, instead of posting again I'll ask here. I'm designing a sump that
I want a protein skimmer an refugium in. I plan on planting the refugium
to further eat up the phosphates. Should I put the protein skimmer
before the refugium or vice versa? Does it really matter.

Thanks again,

Bryan
www.geocities.com/bryg30 for set up info.

ID help on 3 things and I'll throw in a sump design question
 

For those trying to look at his pictures, the proper link is:
http://www.geocities.com/bryg30/photopagespiral.html

It's a blue damsel. I didn't see a picture of the worm.

What's with the brown bottle in the aquarium?

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Bryan wrote on 8/31/2006 9:46 PM:
thanks Wayne. Yeah I added on to my mailer that I did ID the blue velvet.
I actually have two yellow-tail blue damsels. That one in the pic is not
one of them. His tail structure is different and he isn't really all that
blue up front, more of a silver. That first night they were all camera shy.

I just put new pics of him up. That yellow tail guy and the worm (even if
it's safe I would like an idea of what it is) are still a little mystery.

http://www.geocities.com/bryg30/ photopagespiral.html He's in the first 3
pics.

Thanks,

Bryan




"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
ink.net...
Velvet Damsel (quite agressive, gets bigger and less pretty), yellow tail
blue damsel, and harmless worm.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Bryan wrote on 8/30/2006 1:46 AM:
I had to help out a friend get some livestock, etc out of his tank. I
know three of the fish but these two I'm not sure of. I'd appreciate the
help. I know I've seen these before while surfing but now that I need to
know, alas I cannot find them. (Yeah I was a bit amiss that he didn't
know his own fish either. No comments please on his lack of knowledge or
the risk I could be taking doing this. :) )

http://www.geocities.com/bryg30/photopagespiral.html


The third item is a worm I've had for a while. I first saw it a few
weeks back and still do every once in a while. I don't have a pic but
shouldn't need one. Imagine a kit string going in and out of your rocks,
rather slowly. It's very white and very thin. I've seen about 4" of him
so far. What I can discern as his head has no eye, or even a shape change
that even makes it look like a head, like many flatworms (such as
http://www.aecos.com/CPIE/flatworm.jpg) do. It just comes to a point.
It almost looks like a really long tentacle from a spaghetti worm.

Any ideas? Gracias de Texas.


Also, instead of posting again I'll ask here. I'm designing a sump that
I want a protein skimmer an refugium in. I plan on planting the refugium
to further eat up the phosphates. Should I put the protein skimmer
before the refugium or vice versa? Does it really matter.

Thanks again,

Bryan
www.geocities.com/bryg30 for set up info.

ID help on 3 things and I'll throw in a sump design question
 

It could also be in the chromis family which is in the
damsel family.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Wayne Sallee wrote on 9/1/2006 10:30 AM:
For those trying to look at his pictures, the proper link is:
http://www.geocities.com/bryg30/photopagespiral.html

It's a blue damsel. I didn't see a picture of the worm.

What's with the brown bottle in the aquarium?

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Bryan wrote on 8/31/2006 9:46 PM:
thanks Wayne. Yeah I added on to my mailer that I did ID the blue
velvet. I actually have two yellow-tail blue damsels. That one in the
pic is not one of them. His tail structure is different and he isn't
really all that blue up front, more of a silver. That first night
they were all camera shy.

I just put new pics of him up. That yellow tail guy and the worm
(even if it's safe I would like an idea of what it is) are still a
little mystery.

http://www.geocities.com/bryg30/ photopagespiral.html He's in the
first 3 pics.

Thanks,

Bryan




"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
ink.net...
Velvet Damsel (quite agressive, gets bigger and less pretty), yellow
tail blue damsel, and harmless worm.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Bryan wrote on 8/30/2006 1:46 AM:
I had to help out a friend get some livestock, etc out of his tank.
I know three of the fish but these two I'm not sure of. I'd
appreciate the help. I know I've seen these before while surfing but
now that I need to know, alas I cannot find them. (Yeah I was a bit
amiss that he didn't know his own fish either. No comments please
on his lack of knowledge or the risk I could be taking doing this.
:) )

http://www.geocities.com/bryg30/photopagespiral.html


The third item is a worm I've had for a while. I first saw it a few
weeks back and still do every once in a while. I don't have a pic
but shouldn't need one. Imagine a kit string going in and out of
your rocks, rather slowly. It's very white and very thin. I've
seen about 4" of him so far. What I can discern as his head has no
eye, or even a shape change that even makes it look like a head,
like many flatworms (such as http://www.aecos.com/CPIE/flatworm.jpg)
do. It just comes to a point. It almost looks like a really long
tentacle from a spaghetti worm.

Any ideas? Gracias de Texas.


Also, instead of posting again I'll ask here. I'm designing a sump
that I want a protein skimmer an refugium in. I plan on planting
the refugium to further eat up the phosphates. Should I put the
protein skimmer before the refugium or vice versa? Does it really
matter.

Thanks again,

Bryan
www.geocities.com/bryg30 for set up info.

ID help on 3 things and I'll throw in a sump design question
 

Also if say you have so much blue light on it that it
looks blue when it's actually brown, then it's a yellow
tail black chromis. And if it's a chromis it's a damsel.
Chromis are usually less aggressive than other damsels.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Wayne Sallee wrote on 9/1/2006 10:31 AM:
It could also be in the chromis family which is in the damsel family.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Wayne Sallee wrote on 9/1/2006 10:30 AM:
For those trying to look at his pictures, the proper link is:
http://www.geocities.com/bryg30/photopagespiral.html

It's a blue damsel. I didn't see a picture of the worm.

What's with the brown bottle in the aquarium?

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Bryan wrote on 8/31/2006 9:46 PM:
thanks Wayne. Yeah I added on to my mailer that I did ID the blue
velvet. I actually have two yellow-tail blue damsels. That one in
the pic is not one of them. His tail structure is different and he
isn't really all that blue up front, more of a silver. That first
night they were all camera shy.

I just put new pics of him up. That yellow tail guy and the worm
(even if it's safe I would like an idea of what it is) are still a
little mystery.

http://www.geocities.com/bryg30/ photopagespiral.html He's in the
first 3 pics.

Thanks,

Bryan




"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
ink.net...
Velvet Damsel (quite agressive, gets bigger and less pretty), yellow
tail blue damsel, and harmless worm.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Bryan wrote on 8/30/2006 1:46 AM:
I had to help out a friend get some livestock, etc out of his
tank. I know three of the fish but these two I'm not sure of. I'd
appreciate the help. I know I've seen these before while surfing
but now that I need to know, alas I cannot find them. (Yeah I was
a bit amiss that he didn't know his own fish either. No comments
please on his lack of knowledge or the risk I could be taking doing
this. :) )

http://www.geocities.com/bryg30/photopagespiral.html


The third item is a worm I've had for a while. I first saw it a
few weeks back and still do every once in a while. I don't have a
pic but shouldn't need one. Imagine a kit string going in and out
of your rocks, rather slowly. It's very white and very thin. I've
seen about 4" of him so far. What I can discern as his head has no
eye, or even a shape change that even makes it look like a head,
like many flatworms (such as
http://www.aecos.com/CPIE/flatworm.jpg) do. It just comes to a
point. It almost looks like a really long tentacle from a spaghetti
worm.

Any ideas? Gracias de Texas.


Also, instead of posting again I'll ask here. I'm designing a sump
that I want a protein skimmer an refugium in. I plan on planting
the refugium to further eat up the phosphates. Should I put the
protein skimmer before the refugium or vice versa? Does it really
matter.

Thanks again,

Bryan
www.geocities.com/bryg30 for set up info.

sump design question
 

I wrote:
You can see how it works in a photo like this:
http://reef.geddis.org/a/Tank%20-%20...p/dsc03923.jpg
[...]
(The white bucket on the right is kalkwasser auto-topoff.)

"Bryan" wrote on Fri, 01 Sep 2006:
Is your auto topoff working through siphon?? Looks like it is going to the
sump but I don't see any aqualifter or external pump on that clear tube.

There's a simple powerhead pump (Mini-Jet 606) inside the white bucket, resting
on the bottom of the kalkwasser solution.

A float switch, attached to the inside of the sump, turns the power on or off
for the powerhead (as water evaporates from the main system and then the sump
water level drops).

-- Don
__________________________________________________ _____________________________
Don Geddis http://reef.geddis.org/
Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and
looks like work. -- Thomas A. Edison

sump design question
 

Frank wrote on 8/31/2006 7:18 PM:
what if you design a sump where the water comes from the main tank and
drains into the center of the sump. Then water flows both left and right
to 2 return pumps one on each side. in the left chamber a refugium and in
the right chamber a protein skimmer.

Wayne Sallee wrote on Thu, 31 Aug 2006:
I would not do that.

What are your concerns, Wayne? I'll admit that Frank suggests an unusual
sump design, but I don't see anything obviously wrong with it. Do you think
it wouldn't work well for some reason?

-- Don
__________________________________________________ _____________________________
Don Geddis http://reef.geddis.org/
Sometimes when I feel like killing someone, I do a little trick to calm myself
down. I'll go over to the person's house and ring the doorbell. When the
person comes to the door, I'm gone, but you know what I've left on the porch?
A jack-o'-lantern with a knife in the side of its head with a note that says
"You." After that, I usually feel a lot better, and no harm done.
-- Deep Thoughts, by Jack Handey [1999]

sump design question
 

You will loose working space. It would be an inefficient
use of space. Flowing from one end to the other gives more
flexibility of use.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Don Geddis wrote on 9/1/2006 1:08 PM:
Frank wrote on 8/31/2006 7:18 PM:
what if you design a sump where the water comes from the main tank and
drains into the center of the sump. Then water flows both left and right
to 2 return pumps one on each side. in the left chamber a refugium and in
the right chamber a protein skimmer.

Wayne Sallee wrote on Thu, 31 Aug 2006:
I would not do that.

What are your concerns, Wayne? I'll admit that Frank suggests an unusual
sump design, but I don't see anything obviously wrong with it. Do you think
it wouldn't work well for some reason?

-- Don
__________________________________________________ _____________________________
Don Geddis http://reef.geddis.org/
Sometimes when I feel like killing someone, I do a little trick to calm myself
down. I'll go over to the person's house and ring the doorbell. When the
person comes to the door, I'm gone, but you know what I've left on the porch?
A jack-o'-lantern with a knife in the side of its head with a note that says
"You." After that, I usually feel a lot better, and no harm done.
-- Deep Thoughts, by Jack Handey [1999]

sump design question
 

* Don Geddis wrote, On 9/1/2006 12:08 PM:

Don, your new sigs make me smile.
:)
Cindy