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Wayne Sallee November 20th 07 02:36 AM

Stoopid Nubeee
 
Pszemol wrote on 11/19/2007 9:12 PM:
For the bathroom heater ? This is the simple one...
How much would you want to pay for it? :-)


I think that would be a hard question to answer
without seeing the product.

Wayne Sallee


George Patterson November 20th 07 02:41 AM

Stoopid Nubeee
 
KurtG wrote:

Cool. I'd love one for my bathroom heater.


They've made these for decades. Check out Grainger. Bet you'll find something
suitable there.

George Patterson
Worry doesn't improve the future; it just ruins the present.

jthread November 20th 07 03:04 AM

Stoopid Nubeee
 

"George Patterson" wrote in message
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KurtG wrote:

Cool. I'd love one for my bathroom heater.


They've made these for decades. Check out Grainger. Bet you'll find
something suitable there.

George Patterson
Worry doesn't improve the future; it just ruins the present.


I looked at the Granger site. They have 100's of timers. I wouldn't know
where to start!

Jim



Pszemol November 20th 07 03:34 AM

Stoopid Nubeee
 
"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message ...
Pszemol wrote on 11/19/2007 9:12 PM:
For the bathroom heater ? This is the simple one...
How much would you want to pay for it? :-)


I think that would be a hard question to answer
without seeing the product.


Wayne, I said that one was simple:
http://www.intermatic.com/images/ins...158ei12085.pdf
http://www.intermatic.com/images/ins...158ei12086.pdf
They are ideal for the resistive loads up to 15A (1800W)
like your bathroom lamp heater. Pretty simple and cheap.
I got one of these for my bathroom for $24.99 at Home Depot.

Skimmer switching problem is slightly more
complicated due to the reverse polarity. You want
to switch the pump OFF for some time not turn it
ON like the bathroom heater...

What you need is a shut-off switch with a normally
closed output - I have not found one like this yet...

But you can workaround the problem :-)

Get a normal auto shut-off switch like linked above
and also a relay with a coil running on your AC voltage
(120VAC in US, 230VAC in Europe). Use the auto
shut-off switch to power the relay coil instead of the
pump and connect pump to the normally closed relay
output contacts.

This way, when the auto shut-off swtich is iddle (OFF)
the relay coil is not energized and the current can
flow through the normally closed relay contacts
to the pump. When you press the button on the
auto shut-off switch you will energize relay coil
and move its normally closed contacts to the OFF
position - in consequence turning off the pump
for a programmed time with the auto shut-off timer.

Simple enough?

Pszemol November 20th 07 03:38 AM

Stoopid Nubeee
 
"jthread" wrote in message ...
I looked at the Granger site. They have 100's of timers.
I wouldn't know where to start!


Go to Home Depot or Menards to their electrical section
and ask the guy for the auto shut-off switch or timer
for your bathroom. They will have at least two kinds:
mechanical with spring wound knob or electronic one
with push buttons. Electronic ones are silent and more
reliable - good looking and not expensive I got one for $25.

George Patterson November 20th 07 04:08 AM

Stoopid Nubeee
 
Pszemol wrote:

Simple enough?


It is in this house.

George Patterson
Worry doesn't improve the future; it just ruins the present.

George Patterson November 20th 07 04:10 AM

Stoopid Nubeee
 
Pszemol wrote:

Go to Home Depot or Menards to their electrical section
and ask the guy for the auto shut-off switch or timer
for your bathroom. They will have at least two kinds:
mechanical with spring wound knob or electronic one
with push buttons. Electronic ones are silent and more
reliable - good looking and not expensive I got one for $25.


And it's the mechanical ones that have been around for decades. They certainly
do make a noise.

George Patterson
Worry doesn't improve the future; it just ruins the present.

Wayne Sallee November 20th 07 11:25 AM

Stoopid Nubeee
 
Pszemol wrote on 11/19/2007 10:34 PM:
"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
...
Pszemol wrote on 11/19/2007 9:12 PM:
For the bathroom heater ? This is the simple one...
How much would you want to pay for it? :-)


I think that would be a hard question to answer without seeing the
product.


Wayne, I said that one was simple:
http://www.intermatic.com/images/ins...158ei12085.pdf
http://www.intermatic.com/images/ins...158ei12086.pdf
They are ideal for the resistive loads up to 15A (1800W)
like your bathroom lamp heater. Pretty simple and cheap.
I got one of these for my bathroom for $24.99 at Home Depot.

Skimmer switching problem is slightly more
complicated due to the reverse polarity. You want
to switch the pump OFF for some time not turn it
ON like the bathroom heater...

What you need is a shut-off switch with a normally
closed output - I have not found one like this yet...

But you can workaround the problem :-)

Get a normal auto shut-off switch like linked above
and also a relay with a coil running on your AC voltage
(120VAC in US, 230VAC in Europe). Use the auto
shut-off switch to power the relay coil instead of the
pump and connect pump to the normally closed relay
output contacts.

This way, when the auto shut-off swtich is iddle (OFF)
the relay coil is not energized and the current can
flow through the normally closed relay contacts
to the pump. When you press the button on the
auto shut-off switch you will energize relay coil
and move its normally closed contacts to the OFF
position - in consequence turning off the pump for a programmed time
with the auto shut-off timer.

Simple enough?


Yep, just a simple job of reversing the process with
another relay switch.

Wayne Sallee


Wayne Sallee November 20th 07 11:29 AM

Stoopid Nubeee
 
Actually, what I would do, is take it apart, and
rewire it so that it works in reverse.

Wayne Sallee



Wayne Sallee wrote on 11/20/2007 6:25 AM:
Pszemol wrote on 11/19/2007 10:34 PM:
"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
...
Pszemol wrote on 11/19/2007 9:12 PM:
For the bathroom heater ? This is the simple one...
How much would you want to pay for it? :-)

I think that would be a hard question to answer without seeing the
product.


Wayne, I said that one was simple:
http://www.intermatic.com/images/ins...158ei12085.pdf
http://www.intermatic.com/images/ins...158ei12086.pdf
They are ideal for the resistive loads up to 15A (1800W)
like your bathroom lamp heater. Pretty simple and cheap.
I got one of these for my bathroom for $24.99 at Home Depot.

Skimmer switching problem is slightly more
complicated due to the reverse polarity. You want
to switch the pump OFF for some time not turn it
ON like the bathroom heater...

What you need is a shut-off switch with a normally
closed output - I have not found one like this yet...

But you can workaround the problem :-)

Get a normal auto shut-off switch like linked above
and also a relay with a coil running on your AC voltage
(120VAC in US, 230VAC in Europe). Use the auto
shut-off switch to power the relay coil instead of the
pump and connect pump to the normally closed relay
output contacts.

This way, when the auto shut-off swtich is iddle (OFF)
the relay coil is not energized and the current can
flow through the normally closed relay contacts
to the pump. When you press the button on the
auto shut-off switch you will energize relay coil
and move its normally closed contacts to the OFF
position - in consequence turning off the pump for a programmed time
with the auto shut-off timer.

Simple enough?


Yep, just a simple job of reversing the process with another relay switch.

Wayne Sallee


Pszemol November 20th 07 03:25 PM

Stoopid Nubeee
 
"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message ...
Actually, what I would do, is take it apart, and
rewire it so that it works in reverse.


I would expect for safety reasons (this goes to the moist bathrooms)
this thing will be potted in resin, so I doubt it can be taken apart easily.

But one can try, of course... For me it is easier to buy $10 relay
do some simple wiring and be done with it in 10 minutes.


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