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Rex Grigg wrote:

I will add that the statements made by Rex Griggs, have not only
been damaging to ECO-Aqualizer Corp., but also may have cost many
deaths within the fish aquarium community.

In addition to language problems, it appears from this non-Sequitur
that he has some trouble with logic, as well.

I assume this refers to Rex recommending that people not use Carl's
product. If we accept Carl's 'logic' and this makes Rex responsible
for the resulting fish deaths, then Carl is guilty of the same for not
marketing this product sooner, and for not giving it away to everyone
who needs it.

What is far infrared technology? Does it need electricity to operate?
Far Infrared is a combination of bioceramic elements originally
developed by NASA. It radiates electromagnetic photons.
ECO-Aqualizer does not need electricity to operate

Infrared is nothing more than heat radiation. There are several ways
to generate heat, but they rely either on chemical reactions (like
dropping a bit of liver into hydrogen peroxide), radioactive decay, or
energy conversion such as from running a current through a resistor.
Their FAQ rules out electricity. I'm reasonably sure their product
isn't radioactive, and I can't think of a closed chemical system that
will generate heat for 20 years (the promised product life). So, I
wonder where their infrared is coming from. I have a theory, but it
involves inappropriate anatomical references.

From http://tinyurl.com/vwq7

"Question: I want to know if any bioceramic materials are incorporated
in the space shuttle which are said to emit infrared rays which
improve circulation. There is a lot of news about this recently."

"Answer: These ceramic materials do not emit any more infrared rays
than any other material of the same temperature. Infrared rays are
just natural heat radiation and depend on the temperature of the
material. While locally applied heat has always been considered useful
under some circumstances to improve circulation near the skin, you can
get all the heat or infrared radiation you want just by raising the
temperature. There may be some bioceramic materials in the Space
Shuttle, but they are not there for any health benefits."

Sounds like NASA is pretty much debunking the entire 'technology'. Who
shall we trust - NASA, or someone who is trying to sell us something
and threatens lawsuits when people say negative things?

I strongly suggest that all parties should find out more about
ECO-Aqualizer and our intent of saving fishes lives.
As a fellow hobbyist, one must ask themselves, do I care about
the fish? Or do I NOT care about their well-being?

And he plays the 'appeal to emotions' card, which any high school
logic class student can easily recognize.

You've got a live one there, Rex. Better you than me :)

--
www.ericschreiber.com

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On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:39:21 -0000, "Graham Ramsay"
wrote:

"Rex Grigg" wrote
You really have to watch what you say and make sure you don't give
opinions anymore. I received this nice email this evening. Just a
heads up for all of you.

There's no need to purchase this product before realising it is nonsense.
A read through the absurd web site is enough to come to the conclusion
that snake oil is an apt description.
I'd like to see them try and explain just exactly how their product works
with its far infrared waves and vibrational frequency effects. They'd be
laughed out of court.
To claim that fish have died because people have been put off buying
this useluess lump of plastic is beneath contempt.

I just took a look at there web site... really nice piece of
plastic... I have to get me one 'cause I've just become really lazy
and don't want to do a water change for up to "8 Months" WOW.

And here I thought some of my fish died because my tank was over
stocked for what the filters could reasonable handle. I stand
corrected, it is because I did not have one of these things that my
fish died. I have to get me one of those things so that I can add more
fish to my 33 gallon tank or maybe I can add that Arawana I always
wanted.

Thank you people for telling me about this "great" product.

-= Gandalf =-

p.s. and if you think i'm serious here.... then I will have to turn
you all into brine shrimp and feed you to my Kribs.

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Hey - check out these two pages for the "technology" behind this Far
Infrared:

http://www.farinfraredtherapy.com/st...11201954428698

and

http://www.farinfraredtherapy.com/st...11201954428698

Convinced yet? If so, this place sells all kinds of products. Knock
yourself out!

Very similar to all the hoopla about therapeutic magnets a few years back.

--
Bob Alston

bobalston9 AT aol DOT com

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On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 19:02:30 -0600, "Bob Alston"
wrote:

Hey - check out these two pages for the "technology" behind this Far
Infrared:

http://www.farinfraredtherapy.com/st...11201954428698

and

http://www.farinfraredtherapy.com/st...11201954428698

Convinced yet? If so, this place sells all kinds of products. Knock
yourself out!

Very similar to all the hoopla about therapeutic magnets a few years back.

What? you mean my house made of magnets was a waist of time and money
too? :-)

psst hey mister you wan nay buy some magnets?

You really didn't take me seriously in my last post did you?

-= Gandalf =-

Bzzzzzzzit you are all now brine shrimp!!

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On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 19:02:30 -0600, "Bob Alston"
wrote:

Where do these minerals get the energy to emit those far infrared
rays? How come I'm still paying for home heating oil? All I need is
a pile of those rocks and my house will be toasty warm!

Hey - check out these two pages for the "technology" behind this Far
Infrared:

http://www.farinfraredtherapy.com/st...11201954428698

and

http://www.farinfraredtherapy.com/st...11201954428698

Convinced yet? If so, this place sells all kinds of products. Knock
yourself out!

Very similar to all the hoopla about therapeutic magnets a few years back.

Semper Fi!

Visit the forums at Aqua Botanic!
http://aquabotanicwetthumb.infopop.cc/#1

Need Nitrate or Potassium for your tank? Go to www.litemanu.com
(Just a happy customer of the above!)

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Rex Grigg wrote:

Where do these minerals get the energy to emit those far infrared
rays? How come I'm still paying for home heating oil? All I need is
a pile of those rocks and my house will be toasty warm!

Assuming the rocks are uranium, sure :)

--
www.ericschreiber.com

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On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 20:14:47 -0600, Eric Schreiber
wrote:

Rex Grigg wrote:

Where do these minerals get the energy to emit those far infrared
rays? How come I'm still paying for home heating oil? All I need is
a pile of those rocks and my house will be toasty warm!

Assuming the rocks are uranium, sure :)

Nah... one good phaser blast, set on low that is, and presto there you
have it .... heat

Well that's enough of going "OT" for me.... will not post any more
snide comments on infrared whatchamacallits, magnets or other
whosamajiggers....

Now back to the FISH.....
you know they sort of look like this --- -^))

I'm now going back to my tanks and "just keep looking, just keep
looking, looking, looking". Stop that!

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LOL! I gather this company is not based in an English-speaking country. I
wouldn't worry too much. Unlike Mr. "I live 5 minutes from the federal
courthouse," they're probably going to find it a lot harder to file lawsuits
against U.S. defendents.

Leigh

http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/halloween/881/

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On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:17:41 -0500, "Peter Gennaro"
wrote:

If I remember right the Petswarehouse guy was counter-sued and thoroughly
crushed out of business.

Chuck Gadd has a link to it on his website.

Nope, the case is still SLOWLY working it's way thru the courts.

A bunch of defendants settled early, simply due to the unavoidable
costs of defending yourself in a courtroom across the country.

A handful of defendants are fighting back. Full scoop can be found
at

http://www.petsforum.com/psw/Default.html

Chuck Gadd
http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua