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Lightning Strike
johnrutz wrote:
Lightnin seems to hit whereever so I dont think anything you did or dint do would have mattered, your just lucky it didnt blow all the electronics in your house too ( i got hit and the surge came in phone lines and elec lines and fried every apliance I had ) My pond is on a GFSC (sic?) protected circuit. The only other thing on that circuit are the other outdoor outlets. Most people don't seem to be aware these days that surges can come through phone lines and cable lines. I've known a few people who have had their computers fried via a lightening strike carried into the computer by the modem via a plugged in phone line. A lot of surge suppressors these days have connectors for coax and / or telephone lines. In our house phones, all cable connections, and electronics are on good surge suppressors. A UPC protects the office computer equipment and the laptop has a portable surge protector that stays permanently plugged into the charger. My general rule of thumb is that if a surge suppressor offers an equipment damage guarantee, it's decent. Problem with real cheap ones is that they may not react quickly enough to stop damage. Guess I'm showing the conputer/electronics geek in me again. Mea culpa. Susan shsimko at duke dot edu |
Lightning Strike
Susan H. Simko wrote: johnrutz wrote: Lightnin seems to hit whereever so I dont think anything you did or dint do would have mattered, your just lucky it didnt blow all the electronics in your house too ( i got hit and the surge came in phone lines and elec lines and fried every apliance I had ) My pond is on a GFSC (sic?) protected circuit. The only other thing on that circuit are the other outdoor outlets. Most people don't seem to be aware these days that surges can come through phone lines and cable lines. I've known a few people who have had their computers fried via a lightening strike carried into the computer by the modem via a plugged in phone line. A lot of surge suppressors these days have connectors for coax and / or telephone lines. In our house phones, all cable connections, and electronics are on good surge suppressors. A UPC protects the office computer equipment and the laptop has a portable surge protector that stays permanently plugged into the charger. My general rule of thumb is that if a surge suppressor offers an equipment damage guarantee, it's decent. Problem with real cheap ones is that they may not react quickly enough to stop damage. Guess I'm showing the conputer/electronics geek in me again. Mea culpa. Susan shsimko at duke dot edu -- all my electronics -- entertainment center,phones and computer are on either tripple or quadrupls surge protectors due to the COOP's clunky switching or our summer thunder storms, a couple months ago my power pole got a direct hit, blew the transformer all over the yard every thing in the house survived, John Rutz Z5 New Mexico never miss a good oportunity to shut up see my pond at: http://www.fuerjefe.com |
Lightning Strike
Susan H. Simko wrote: johnrutz wrote: Lightnin seems to hit whereever so I dont think anything you did or dint do would have mattered, your just lucky it didnt blow all the electronics in your house too ( i got hit and the surge came in phone lines and elec lines and fried every apliance I had ) My pond is on a GFSC (sic?) protected circuit. The only other thing on that circuit are the other outdoor outlets. Most people don't seem to be aware these days that surges can come through phone lines and cable lines. I've known a few people who have had their computers fried via a lightening strike carried into the computer by the modem via a plugged in phone line. A lot of surge suppressors these days have connectors for coax and / or telephone lines. In our house phones, all cable connections, and electronics are on good surge suppressors. A UPC protects the office computer equipment and the laptop has a portable surge protector that stays permanently plugged into the charger. My general rule of thumb is that if a surge suppressor offers an equipment damage guarantee, it's decent. Problem with real cheap ones is that they may not react quickly enough to stop damage. Guess I'm showing the conputer/electronics geek in me again. Mea culpa. Susan shsimko at duke dot edu -- all my electronics -- entertainment center,phones and computer are on either tripple or quadrupls surge protectors due to the COOP's clunky switching or our summer thunder storms, a couple months ago my power pole got a direct hit, blew the transformer all over the yard every thing in the house survived, John Rutz Z5 New Mexico never miss a good oportunity to shut up see my pond at: http://www.fuerjefe.com |
Lightning Strike
John:
This question may be outdated by new regulations and modern technology but, was there any discharge of PCB's due to the explosion of the transformer? BK "johnrutz" wrote in message ... Susan H. Simko wrote: johnrutz wrote: Lightnin seems to hit whereever so I dont think anything you did or dint do would have mattered, your just lucky it didnt blow all the electronics in your house too ( i got hit and the surge came in phone lines and elec lines and fried every apliance I had ) My pond is on a GFSC (sic?) protected circuit. The only other thing on that circuit are the other outdoor outlets. Most people don't seem to be aware these days that surges can come through phone lines and cable lines. I've known a few people who have had their computers fried via a lightening strike carried into the computer by the modem via a plugged in phone line. A lot of surge suppressors these days have connectors for coax and / or telephone lines. In our house phones, all cable connections, and electronics are on good surge suppressors. A UPC protects the office computer equipment and the laptop has a portable surge protector that stays permanently plugged into the charger. My general rule of thumb is that if a surge suppressor offers an equipment damage guarantee, it's decent. Problem with real cheap ones is that they may not react quickly enough to stop damage. Guess I'm showing the conputer/electronics geek in me again. Mea culpa. Susan shsimko at duke dot edu -- all my electronics -- entertainment center,phones and computer are on either tripple or quadrupls surge protectors due to the COOP's clunky switching or our summer thunder storms, a couple months ago my power pole got a direct hit, blew the transformer all over the yard every thing in the house survived, John Rutz Z5 New Mexico never miss a good oportunity to shut up see my pond at: http://www.fuerjefe.com |
Lightning Strike
John:
This question may be outdated by new regulations and modern technology but, was there any discharge of PCB's due to the explosion of the transformer? BK "johnrutz" wrote in message ... Susan H. Simko wrote: johnrutz wrote: Lightnin seems to hit whereever so I dont think anything you did or dint do would have mattered, your just lucky it didnt blow all the electronics in your house too ( i got hit and the surge came in phone lines and elec lines and fried every apliance I had ) My pond is on a GFSC (sic?) protected circuit. The only other thing on that circuit are the other outdoor outlets. Most people don't seem to be aware these days that surges can come through phone lines and cable lines. I've known a few people who have had their computers fried via a lightening strike carried into the computer by the modem via a plugged in phone line. A lot of surge suppressors these days have connectors for coax and / or telephone lines. In our house phones, all cable connections, and electronics are on good surge suppressors. A UPC protects the office computer equipment and the laptop has a portable surge protector that stays permanently plugged into the charger. My general rule of thumb is that if a surge suppressor offers an equipment damage guarantee, it's decent. Problem with real cheap ones is that they may not react quickly enough to stop damage. Guess I'm showing the conputer/electronics geek in me again. Mea culpa. Susan shsimko at duke dot edu -- all my electronics -- entertainment center,phones and computer are on either tripple or quadrupls surge protectors due to the COOP's clunky switching or our summer thunder storms, a couple months ago my power pole got a direct hit, blew the transformer all over the yard every thing in the house survived, John Rutz Z5 New Mexico never miss a good oportunity to shut up see my pond at: http://www.fuerjefe.com |
Lightning Strike
Wow! That's one way to get rid of algae!
The pump should not have had anything to do with the strike. The way you described the damage the strike may have gone from the earth up or the pond is resting on or close to tree roots and the tree was hit. Electricity does crazy things. "BargainTraveller" wrote in message om... This past weekend I pulled my back out putting in a water pond in my backyard. When it was installed I have to admit that I did find it relaxing to sit on the back porch and listen to the water while doing my devotionals. I actually felt pretty good about how it was turning out. Until Monday night... Sherry and I were sitting downstairs watching the Tour de France when suddenly lightning flashed outside the window and the thunder crashed. It was a direct hit. It had hit my water pond! The pond was actually lifted out of the hole and the water was just about all gone. Fortunately we hadn't put fish in it yet or else we would be eating fish sandwiches! I have reinstalled the pond and checked into what contributed to my shocking experience. Could it be that by leaving the pump on during an electrical storm that a negative charge was created that the lightning was attracted to? |
Lightning Strike
Wow! That's one way to get rid of algae!
The pump should not have had anything to do with the strike. The way you described the damage the strike may have gone from the earth up or the pond is resting on or close to tree roots and the tree was hit. Electricity does crazy things. "BargainTraveller" wrote in message om... This past weekend I pulled my back out putting in a water pond in my backyard. When it was installed I have to admit that I did find it relaxing to sit on the back porch and listen to the water while doing my devotionals. I actually felt pretty good about how it was turning out. Until Monday night... Sherry and I were sitting downstairs watching the Tour de France when suddenly lightning flashed outside the window and the thunder crashed. It was a direct hit. It had hit my water pond! The pond was actually lifted out of the hole and the water was just about all gone. Fortunately we hadn't put fish in it yet or else we would be eating fish sandwiches! I have reinstalled the pond and checked into what contributed to my shocking experience. Could it be that by leaving the pump on during an electrical storm that a negative charge was created that the lightning was attracted to? |
Lightning Strike
Lightning seeks earth ground. If a pond makes the better
connection from cloud to earth, then so is your excitement. If miles of air did not stop lightning, then what difference is a silly little power switch or even the mythical surge protector. Lightning is not stopped, blocked, or absorbed except in myths. Franklin demonstrated effective protection in 1752. Lightning must be intercepted and diverted to earth to not find destructive paths through church steeple - or now through electrical and transistorized appliances. Protection for that pond would be a Franklin air terminal (lightning rod). Sharp or blunt rod? Irrelevant. That air terminal will only be as effective as its earth ground. Earth ground (not a surge protector) is surge protection. Others are still confused. They actually think a plug-in UPS claims protection from such surges even though the manufacturer makes no such claim. A UPS connects appliance directly to AC mains when not in battery backup mode. No protection there. Protectors only work when they connect the incoming surge to surge protection - earth ground. Again, nothing stops lightning. Lightning must be diverted to earth before it enters a pond or a building. Telephone and cable lines (are suppose to) have effective 'whole house' protectors or equivalent - to do what Franklin air terminals do. They earth the surge before it can enter the building. But the one incoming line that typically has no such protection is AC electric. Lightning to AC electric is, for example, the most common source of computer modem damage. Those who forget their elementary school science forget that a surge must first form a complete circuit. Only then is something in that circuit (ie modem) damaged. Nothing stops that surge. But a 'whole house' surge protector connected less than 10 feet to household central earth ground does provide effective protection from direct lightning strikes. This is but introductory. Further discussion among engineers can be reviewed in the newsgroup misc.rural in two threads: Storm and Lightning damage in the country 28 Jul 2002 Lightning Nightmares!! 10 Aug 2002 http://tinyurl.com/ghgv or http://tinyurl.com/ghgm Lightning may have struck the pond because a direct connection existed to breaker box earth ground. We do know that lightning struck that pond because pond was a best path to earth. Since household appliances were not in that path (no incoming and outgoing path through appliances as required by elementary school science on electricity), then appliances would not be damaged. BargainTraveller wrote: This past weekend I pulled my back out putting in a water pond in my backyard. When it was installed I have to admit that I did find it relaxing to sit on the back porch and listen to the water while doing my devotionals. I actually felt pretty good about how it was turning out. Until Monday night... Sherry and I were sitting downstairs watching the Tour de France when suddenly lightning flashed outside the window and the thunder crashed. It was a direct hit. It had hit my water pond! The pond was actually lifted out of the hole and the water was just about all gone. Fortunately we hadn't put fish in it yet or else we would be eating fish sandwiches! I have reinstalled the pond and checked into what contributed to my shocking experience. Could it be that by leaving the pump on during an electrical storm that a negative charge was created that the lightning was attracted to? |
Lightning Strike
Lightning seeks earth ground. If a pond makes the better
connection from cloud to earth, then so is your excitement. If miles of air did not stop lightning, then what difference is a silly little power switch or even the mythical surge protector. Lightning is not stopped, blocked, or absorbed except in myths. Franklin demonstrated effective protection in 1752. Lightning must be intercepted and diverted to earth to not find destructive paths through church steeple - or now through electrical and transistorized appliances. Protection for that pond would be a Franklin air terminal (lightning rod). Sharp or blunt rod? Irrelevant. That air terminal will only be as effective as its earth ground. Earth ground (not a surge protector) is surge protection. Others are still confused. They actually think a plug-in UPS claims protection from such surges even though the manufacturer makes no such claim. A UPS connects appliance directly to AC mains when not in battery backup mode. No protection there. Protectors only work when they connect the incoming surge to surge protection - earth ground. Again, nothing stops lightning. Lightning must be diverted to earth before it enters a pond or a building. Telephone and cable lines (are suppose to) have effective 'whole house' protectors or equivalent - to do what Franklin air terminals do. They earth the surge before it can enter the building. But the one incoming line that typically has no such protection is AC electric. Lightning to AC electric is, for example, the most common source of computer modem damage. Those who forget their elementary school science forget that a surge must first form a complete circuit. Only then is something in that circuit (ie modem) damaged. Nothing stops that surge. But a 'whole house' surge protector connected less than 10 feet to household central earth ground does provide effective protection from direct lightning strikes. This is but introductory. Further discussion among engineers can be reviewed in the newsgroup misc.rural in two threads: Storm and Lightning damage in the country 28 Jul 2002 Lightning Nightmares!! 10 Aug 2002 http://tinyurl.com/ghgv or http://tinyurl.com/ghgm Lightning may have struck the pond because a direct connection existed to breaker box earth ground. We do know that lightning struck that pond because pond was a best path to earth. Since household appliances were not in that path (no incoming and outgoing path through appliances as required by elementary school science on electricity), then appliances would not be damaged. BargainTraveller wrote: This past weekend I pulled my back out putting in a water pond in my backyard. When it was installed I have to admit that I did find it relaxing to sit on the back porch and listen to the water while doing my devotionals. I actually felt pretty good about how it was turning out. Until Monday night... Sherry and I were sitting downstairs watching the Tour de France when suddenly lightning flashed outside the window and the thunder crashed. It was a direct hit. It had hit my water pond! The pond was actually lifted out of the hole and the water was just about all gone. Fortunately we hadn't put fish in it yet or else we would be eating fish sandwiches! I have reinstalled the pond and checked into what contributed to my shocking experience. Could it be that by leaving the pump on during an electrical storm that a negative charge was created that the lightning was attracted to? |
Lightning Strike
bobkiely (Remove NOSPAM) wrote: John: This question may be outdated by new regulations and modern technology but, was there any discharge of PCB's due to the explosion of the transformer? BK no even tho we are rural as heck here they did get rid of all ther old pcb transformers and mine was installed in 99 John Rutz Z5 New Mexico never miss a good oportunity to shut up see my pond at: http://www.fuerjefe.com |
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