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Anne Lurie June 17th 04 10:02 PM

Few odd Questions Any help appreciated (pond/water couorse building/sturgeon) (UK)
 
I *think* that the answer to the burning question "what (who?) exactly is
PORG, anyhoo?" may be found in the FAQ for this inestimable* newsgroup:
http://www.geocities.com/justinm090/faq.html

* It's a compliment!

Anne Lurie
Raleigh, NC

"Newbie Bill" wrote

[snipped]

ps Inquiring minds have wondered what this secret handshake porgies thing
is:)




Mosfunland June 18th 04 06:03 PM

Few odd Questions Any help appreciated (pond/water couorse building/sturgeon) (UK)
 
"The secret handshake... the memo got lost with the German Shepherd sized
Bullfrog whose orgins are now lost in the mists of rec.ponds time."
Ah the handshake....anyone care to add on?

I think it starts out by looking like you are tossing some fishfood into the
pond......then you put your hand up like you are holding a test strip......then
you scoop down like you are pulling (string algae, wh, or pinecones) from the
pond.....

Maureen in Phila (merlot preference)

~ jan JJsPond.us June 19th 04 06:58 AM

Few odd Questions Any help appreciated (pond/water couorse building/sturgeon) (UK)
 
WELL SAID! ~ jan

I too am very new to all of this. I read a very interesting newbie article
once which said "Figure out how many fish your pond can support - then start
with 1/10th that." Also read "Pond keeping is not a science it is an art".
Ponding is not a formula. There are just too many variables which can
frequently change making each pond it's own little learning experience. You
will make mistakes - that's a given. Start slowly and your mistakes wont
cost you nearly as much in time, money and satisfaction. The bigger the
cushion to start the less the bruise in learning. Get to know your pond,
your filter, your fish, your unthought of problems. Quarantine all new fish
and plants before adding new problems to your pond. Don't start with
feeders. These things and more will help to keep new problems from becoming
a string of disasters. I say this having not done most of these things, but
I sure would do it differently if I had a second chance. Things will be
just so much more controlled and happy for everybody and everything. I
suspect there are some 'fast track' people who could also add their
disasters - but they're no longer ponders. Yes I think the 1000+ rule is
probably overstated.
I have already seen several EXPERIENCED ponders who have broken it. But if
you are soliciting advice and INEXPERIENCED this is probably a very good
rule. Start slowly and someday you will probably figure out how to 'break
the rules' safely in your own pond with your specific variables, or figured
out why you shouldnt. Or if you're like many in this group you'll have a
bigger pond and altogether different issues.

Bill Brister
Austin, Texas


(Do you know where your water quality is?)

~ jan JJsPond.us June 19th 04 07:22 AM

Few odd Questions Any help appreciated (pond/water couorse building/sturgeon) (UK)
 
The Borg said:
"We are _Borg_ resistant is futile, you will be assimilated."
The Porg say:
"We are Porg, resistant IS futile, you will be pond-elated."

P - Pond, O - Oriented, R - Recreational, G - Group ~ jan


PORG, ??? please elaborate
Falcor


(Do you know where your water quality is?)

[email protected] June 19th 04 02:00 PM

Few odd Questions Any help appreciated (pond/water couorse building/sturgeon) (UK)
 
I dont know about handshake but nobody enters full porgdom without baptism .... 45oF
water with a backwards 1.5 gainer. Ingrid

(Mosfunland) wrote:

"The secret handshake... the memo got lost with the German Shepherd sized
Bullfrog whose orgins are now lost in the mists of rec.ponds time."
Ah the handshake....anyone care to add on?

I think it starts out by looking like you are tossing some fishfood into the
pond......then you put your hand up like you are holding a test strip......then
you scoop down like you are pulling (string algae, wh, or pinecones) from the
pond.....

Maureen in Phila (merlot preference)




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[email protected] June 19th 04 02:21 PM

Few odd Questions Any help appreciated (pond/water couorse building/sturgeon) (UK)
 
It is quite odd but my DH and I did a 1.75 hour drive out into the boonies to go to
the only "Staples" in the area that swore they had an all wood file cabinet (they
didnt of course, but they dont mind lying).
Anyway... we loved a drive in the open spaces. there are certain roads out there
with hills you can almost look forever over rolling hills, fields, woods. then as we
got in closer we hit wave after wave of McMansions all built out in the middle of
former farmers fields. And there was no human person to be seen.
we got back into the city and immediately I see all kinds of people everywhere, life
and excitement everywhere people walking or sitting outside in cafes, walking their
dog. kids playing in the alley. so after dinner at our favorite very lively
bar/restaurant we went back to sit in our very private and quiet 25' x 25' backyard
next to the koi pond with a cup of coffee, fed the fish and relaxed while the sun
went down.
I dont know how it is that I was raised in the country and simply love the energy of
the city so much. Ingrid

"gunnar" wrote:
welcome to the habit susan. i live directly in center of city of warwick but
step behind my fence and find yourself in a acre of natures beauty.i just
sitting out watching world go by



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[email protected] June 19th 04 02:28 PM

Few odd Questions Any help appreciated (pond/water couorse building/sturgeon) (UK)
 
yep. you got it. anyone keeps fish in a tank successfully will almost surely be
able to keep em in a pond (well except for the deaths due to predators, the incoming
waves of cooties from birds bathing and dumping in the pond, the occasional spray of
fish killing pesticides). knowing about water quality is the single most important
information, keeping on top of water quality is 99% of keeping fish ... and it is all
science, no art. Ingrid

wrote:
I already had many years of keeping ornamental fish
in aquariums.

pond keeping isn't a bigdeal.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[email protected] June 19th 04 02:29 PM

Few odd Questions Any help appreciated (pond/water couorse building/sturgeon) (UK)
 
and they also got a 1 gallon bowl called Goldfish. Ingrid

"Lostin1999" wrote:
Oasis (pond Product manufacturing company) produce a 223
litre pond Called Koi.



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[email protected] June 19th 04 05:15 PM

Few odd Questions Any help appreciated (pond/water couorse building/sturgeon) (UK)
 
Being a scientist I must see more science in "ponding" and very little art at all.
well except for the colors I use in my veggie filter.
Jo Ann Burke sold expensive fancy GF for 25+ years and came up with a "formula" for
newbie success in keeping GF in aquariums. It went against many if not most of the
"common" wisdoms, like no UGF, no gravel, feed lightly and high quality foods and LOW
stocking levels. Water quality is 99%. Her method is now widely used and
successful.

There is a nearly fool proof formula for a koi pond for newbies as well. Setting up
the pond to optimize water quality is 99% of keeping fish alive .. for those who are
building a pond because they specifically want to keep KOI OR fancy GF.

Those who are building as natural a pond as they can for "wildlife" that is so easy
it needs no formula at all. Dig a hole, line it, put some rocks and gravel around
the edges, plunk down some plants and fill with water. the wildlife will come.

Then there are people who want BOTH a natural pond with "wildlife" AND fish in the
pond. This is MUCH more difficult to achieve, balancing the needs of wildlife and
highly inbred fish. It takes a lot more work and knowledge. I personally think
people who want natural ponds with wildlife should at least start without koi or
fancy GF. Maybe some gambusa or mosquito fish to keep mosquitoes down. or use
mosquito dunks.

People who really want both koi/GF and "natural" are going to have to have it easy.
Net the pond to keep the fish in and the herons out, but that prevents other animals
from getting in and out as well. Do I keep birds out because they carry disease or
do I want them splashing in the fountain? Do I want gin clear water or a natural
pond? Do I want plants in the pond or fish? Most people find the plants getting
whacked by the fish, the fish driving up the waste and getting sick from all the
cooties the wildlife is bringing in. And many treatments are not possible with
plants in the water.

The people on this list seem to have a firm grasp of what the "essentials" are for
natural ponds in general, for fish ponds in general and for balancing their own
particular natural pond with fish. Maybe we need an essentials list that gives
newbies benefit of our knowledge without our having to repeat it all the time?

Ingrid

Also read "Pond keeping is not a science it is an art".
Ponding is not a formula. There are just too many variables which can
frequently change making each pond it's own little learning experience.



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

June 22nd 04 01:51 PM

Few odd Questions Any help appreciated (pond/water couorse building/sturgeon) (UK)
 
Well said Ingrid and thanks for all the tips past and present. Thanks!!
MIKE
wrote in message
...
Being a scientist I must see more science in "ponding" and very little art

at all.
well except for the colors I use in my veggie filter.
Jo Ann Burke sold expensive fancy GF for 25+ years and came up with a

"formula" for



[email protected] June 22nd 04 05:58 PM

Few odd Questions Any help appreciated (pond/water couorse building/sturgeon) (UK)
 
baby bird poopies are often encased and whitish. parent birds pick em up and dump em
away from the nest to keep predators from discovering the nest has babies. Ingrid

wrote:

Well said Ingrid and thanks for all the tips past and present. Thanks!!
MIKE
wrote in message
...
Being a scientist I must see more science in "ponding" and very little art

at all.
well except for the colors I use in my veggie filter.
Jo Ann Burke sold expensive fancy GF for 25+ years and came up with a

"formula" for




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

Mary kate June 23rd 04 08:23 AM

Few odd Questions Any help appreciated (pond/water couorsebuil...
 
I'm new here also and I'm also new at ponding. I know how frustrating
it is to need answers and not get any......perhaps were on our own until
we reach (their) levels in ponding. I've found several good
books.......at least with reading books there's no ( how many PORG'S
does it take to get ONE question answered) problems..LOL Wish I could
answer your questions { because I would ...there important to you }
hang in there...you still have a love for ponding, you just have to find
another means for getting your questions answered :-) A BOOK


Lostin1999 June 23rd 04 09:53 AM

Few odd Questions Any help appreciated (pond/water couorsebuil...
 

"Mary kate" wrote in message
...
I'm new here also and I'm also new at ponding. I know how frustrating
it is to need answers and not get any......perhaps were on our own until
we reach (their) levels in ponding. I've found several good
books.......at least with reading books there's no ( how many PORG'S
does it take to get ONE question answered) problems..LOL Wish I could
answer your questions { because I would ...there important to you }
hang in there...you still have a love for ponding, you just have to find
another means for getting your questions answered :-) A BOOK


yeah ive been reading Pond and water garden book's for a few years (ever
since the idea first came to me to have a pond (well before the current
"FAD" of ponding)) ive read from Charlie Dimmock to RHS (Royal Horticultural
Society).

for the feature it appears I can use what I like as long as it has a liner
over it.. so the water feature is pretty much sorted (yet to be built, but
plans are afoot!!)

cannot get any answers on the Sterlets, (but I have learned not to call then
Sturgeon (they are too young)) but im assuming it may be I have 2 males and
they are seeking females (the smaller one of the trio at only 8" long will
not be up to maturity for another year..

brings me onto why I got sterlets.. I was told they ate Blanket weed
(string algae to this newsgroup) so promptly bought 4.. (lost one when I
was sorting a pump blockage and accidentally dropped pump into water right
on top of it.. (alas poor fish)) funny how easy some retailers find it to
lie to get a sale (that said I love em now!!)

was sorting out a slow flow through my UV filter yesterday and managed to
drop it in the pond.. (so had to reset the main fuse in the house and my UV
may be dead.. (oops) just glad it didn't hit any fish and that the fuse
was faster to act than the electric was to kill any fish!! (im very lucky
so far)

not putting a uv on new pond (yet) as I need the filter (all new bio media)
to fill with the good bacteria.. using alfagrog now (was on them plastic
things provided with a hoselock box,) but feel new pond will need more than
that. and read loads of good reviews of the Alfagrog stuff. so all is
going well..

as this is my first ornamental pond im being VERY careful..

Lost



Bonnie June 23rd 04 01:06 PM

Few odd Questions Any help appreciated (pond/water couorsebuil...
 
Lostin1999 wrote:
"Mary kate" wrote in message
...

I'm new here also and I'm also new at ponding. I know how frustrating
it is to need answers and not get any......perhaps were on our own until
we reach (their) levels in ponding. I've found several good
books.......at least with reading books there's no ( how many PORG'S
does it take to get ONE question answered) problems..LOL Wish I could
answer your questions { because I would ...there important to you }
hang in there...you still have a love for ponding, you just have to find
another means for getting your questions answered :-) A BOOK



yeah ive been reading Pond and water garden book's for a few years (ever
since the idea first came to me to have a pond (well before the current
"FAD" of ponding)) ive read from Charlie Dimmock to RHS (Royal Horticultural
Society).

for the feature it appears I can use what I like as long as it has a liner
over it.. so the water feature is pretty much sorted (yet to be built, but
plans are afoot!!)

cannot get any answers on the Sterlets, (but I have learned not to call then
Sturgeon (they are too young)) but im assuming it may be I have 2 males and
they are seeking females (the smaller one of the trio at only 8" long will
not be up to maturity for another year..

brings me onto why I got sterlets.. I was told they ate Blanket weed
(string algae to this newsgroup) so promptly bought 4.. (lost one when I
was sorting a pump blockage and accidentally dropped pump into water right
on top of it.. (alas poor fish)) funny how easy some retailers find it to
lie to get a sale (that said I love em now!!)

was sorting out a slow flow through my UV filter yesterday and managed to
drop it in the pond.. (so had to reset the main fuse in the house and my UV
may be dead.. (oops) just glad it didn't hit any fish and that the fuse
was faster to act than the electric was to kill any fish!! (im very lucky
so far)

not putting a uv on new pond (yet) as I need the filter (all new bio media)
to fill with the good bacteria.. using alfagrog now (was on them plastic
things provided with a hoselock box,) but feel new pond will need more than
that. and read loads of good reviews of the Alfagrog stuff. so all is
going well..

as this is my first ornamental pond im being VERY careful..

Lost



Hi,

I do know who Charlie Dimmock is and do appreciate her work.
The reason many of your questions weren't answered is that
we don't know the answers. Many of your terms are unknown
to us in the USA. I know nothing of sturgeon nor sterlets,
nor hoselock box, or alfagrog. We need a translator!

--
Bonnie
NJ




Andrew Burgess June 23rd 04 03:17 PM

Few odd Questions Any help appreciated (pond/water couorsebuil...
 
was sorting out a slow flow through my UV filter yesterday and managed to
drop it in the pond.. (so had to reset the main fuse in the house and my UV
may be dead.. (oops) just glad it didn't hit any fish and that the fuse
was faster to act than the electric was to kill any fish!! (im very lucky
so far)


It sounds like that may have be a GFCI rather than a fuse but if it wasn't,
consider getting one for when your luck runs out. Less than $10 for an outlet.

There are even extension cords now with GFCI built in if your pond wiring
is more 'creative'.



Benign Vanilla June 23rd 04 04:00 PM

Few odd Questions Any help appreciated (pond/water couorsebuil...
 

"Mary kate" wrote in message
...
I'm new here also and I'm also new at ponding. I know how frustrating
it is to need answers and not get any......perhaps were on our own until
we reach (their) levels in ponding. I've found several good
books.......at least with reading books there's no ( how many PORG'S
does it take to get ONE question answered) problems..LOL Wish I could
answer your questions { because I would ...there important to you }
hang in there...you still have a love for ponding, you just have to find
another means for getting your questions answered :-) A BOOK


The key thing to remember here on rec.ponds and on any usenet group, is that
this is a topic oriented format. People pick and choose the topics that
interest them. So if you are not getting a response, it is probably because
nobody has an answer.

We don't shun newbies as Mary Kate seems to be implying. If I misread your
intent MK, my apologies. Everyone here at one time or another was the New
Guy. Hell, technically, I probably still am.

BV.



Newbie Bill June 23rd 04 11:09 PM

Few odd Questions Any help appreciated (pond/water couorsebuil...
 
Hi Mary Kate - I definitely am a newbie so am hoping I can help smooth off a
few rough edges here, from a slightly more objective point of view. First
of all it has been my observation that many or most of the people here come
with their primary reason being to help others through the mistakes and
experiences they have already encountered - they don't shun them, they are
here for them. Sure there is some socializing but how many times have I
seen Ingrid have a response like - '.9 lbs salt per 100 gals and medicated
food.' to a 200 word post. She's here to help. The answer and off to help
someone else. I too have experienced the frustration of having what on our
end is a desperate problem and receiving little response. I think this is
simply because no one knows or if it intend sounds like a desperate problem
no one wants to venture a guess about sick fish and aid in instead killing
them. I have also experienced that when one brings up multiple issues in
one post some tend not to be answered. Again I believe this is partially
because some answers are unknown. I dont know how everyone else does it but
I read the newest posts through google groups and post directly to usenet.
If something like this is common I think it also explains why one part is
answered up one side and down the other and the remainder of the thread is
lost/ignored - because that is the part of the thread that carries on. The
fact that you express frustration tells me, whether you like it or not you
are part of the PORG. I'm sure you will realize what a wonderful and
valuable group this is if you dont let your first impressions taint your
look at the group. I certainly do not speak for the group, but I suspect
they would all say you are right where you should be if you need help with
your pond (most of the time) and 'we' hope you stay.
Bill Brister - Austin, Texas


"Mary kate" wrote in message
...
I'm new here also and I'm also new at ponding. I know how frustrating
it is to need answers and not get any......perhaps were on our own until
we reach (their) levels in ponding. I've found several good
books.......at least with reading books there's no ( how many PORG'S
does it take to get ONE question answered) problems..LOL Wish I could
answer your questions { because I would ...there important to you }
hang in there...you still have a love for ponding, you just have to find
another means for getting your questions answered :-) A BOOK




bluegill phil June 24th 04 12:53 AM

Few odd Questions Any help appreciated (pond/water couorsebuil...
 
ive been into the usenet for more than 10 yrs and this group is one of
the nicest.some are overrun with socalled intellectuals.
On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:53:43 +0100, "Lostin1999"
wrote:


"Mary kate" wrote in message
...
I'm new here also and I'm also new at ponding. I know how frustrating
it is to need answers and not get any......perhaps were on our own until
we reach (their) levels in ponding. I've found several good
books.......at least with reading books there's no ( how many PORG'S
does it take to get ONE question answered) problems..LOL Wish I could
answer your questions { because I would ...there important to you }
hang in there...you still have a love for ponding, you just have to find
another means for getting your questions answered :-) A BOOK


yeah ive been reading Pond and water garden book's for a few years (ever
since the idea first came to me to have a pond (well before the current
"FAD" of ponding)) ive read from Charlie Dimmock to RHS (Royal Horticultural
Society).

for the feature it appears I can use what I like as long as it has a liner
over it.. so the water feature is pretty much sorted (yet to be built, but
plans are afoot!!)

cannot get any answers on the Sterlets, (but I have learned not to call then
Sturgeon (they are too young)) but im assuming it may be I have 2 males and
they are seeking females (the smaller one of the trio at only 8" long will
not be up to maturity for another year..

brings me onto why I got sterlets.. I was told they ate Blanket weed
(string algae to this newsgroup) so promptly bought 4.. (lost one when I
was sorting a pump blockage and accidentally dropped pump into water right
on top of it.. (alas poor fish)) funny how easy some retailers find it to
lie to get a sale (that said I love em now!!)

was sorting out a slow flow through my UV filter yesterday and managed to
drop it in the pond.. (so had to reset the main fuse in the house and my UV
may be dead.. (oops) just glad it didn't hit any fish and that the fuse
was faster to act than the electric was to kill any fish!! (im very lucky
so far)

not putting a uv on new pond (yet) as I need the filter (all new bio media)
to fill with the good bacteria.. using alfagrog now (was on them plastic
things provided with a hoselock box,) but feel new pond will need more than
that. and read loads of good reviews of the Alfagrog stuff. so all is
going well..

as this is my first ornamental pond im being VERY careful..

Lost



[email protected] June 24th 04 07:43 AM

Few odd Questions Any help appreciated (pond/water couorsebuil...
 
heh, I resemble that remark. actually got a bumper sticker says "I am one of those
fancy pants elitists" LOL
Ingrid

bluegill phil wrote:
some are overrun with socalled intellectuals.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

Lostin1999 June 24th 04 10:40 AM

Few odd Questions Any help appreciated (pond/water couorsebuil...
 

"Bonnie" wrote in message
...
Lostin1999 wrote:
"Mary kate" wrote in message
...

I'm new here also and I'm also new at ponding. I know how frustrating
it is to need answers and not get any......perhaps were on our own until
we reach (their) levels in ponding. I've found several good
books.......at least with reading books there's no ( how many PORG'S
does it take to get ONE question answered) problems..LOL Wish I could
answer your questions { because I would ...there important to you }
hang in there...you still have a love for ponding, you just have to find
another means for getting your questions answered :-) A BOOK



yeah ive been reading Pond and water garden book's for a few years

(ever
since the idea first came to me to have a pond (well before the current
"FAD" of ponding)) ive read from Charlie Dimmock to RHS (Royal

Horticultural
Society).

for the feature it appears I can use what I like as long as it has a

liner
over it.. so the water feature is pretty much sorted (yet to be built,

but
plans are afoot!!)

cannot get any answers on the Sterlets, (but I have learned not to call

then
Sturgeon (they are too young)) but im assuming it may be I have 2 males

and
they are seeking females (the smaller one of the trio at only 8" long

will
not be up to maturity for another year..

brings me onto why I got sterlets.. I was told they ate Blanket weed
(string algae to this newsgroup) so promptly bought 4.. (lost one when

I
was sorting a pump blockage and accidentally dropped pump into water

right
on top of it.. (alas poor fish)) funny how easy some retailers find it

to
lie to get a sale (that said I love em now!!)

was sorting out a slow flow through my UV filter yesterday and managed

to
drop it in the pond.. (so had to reset the main fuse in the house and

my UV
may be dead.. (oops) just glad it didn't hit any fish and that the

fuse
was faster to act than the electric was to kill any fish!! (im very

lucky
so far)

not putting a uv on new pond (yet) as I need the filter (all new bio

media)
to fill with the good bacteria.. using alfagrog now (was on them

plastic
things provided with a hoselock box,) but feel new pond will need more

than
that. and read loads of good reviews of the Alfagrog stuff. so all is
going well..

as this is my first ornamental pond im being VERY careful..

Lost



Hi,

I do know who Charlie Dimmock is and do appreciate her work.
The reason many of your questions weren't answered is that
we don't know the answers. Many of your terms are unknown
to us in the USA. I know nothing of sturgeon nor sterlets,
nor hoselock box, or alfagrog. We need a translator!

--
Bonnie
NJ

Sterlets more info at
http://www.aquariacentral.com/fishinfo/cold/sterlet.htm

Hoselock box is a filter box made by hozelock but has now been modified...
http://www.watergardeningdirect.com/...OuterFrame.htm
mines the 9000 but as i say it has all new internals...

Alfagrog = a ceramic Lavarock style filter biomedia (and ill be adding a
veggie filter (having only learned of them here) soon)
http://www.shopcreator.com/mall/Brad...ct-1031277.stm

so to recap, ive got an old hoselock filter box that i have removed the
plastic biomedia from and changed it for the alfagrog, at the moment the
flow is a wee bit high, but the spitters are yet to arrive and the geggie
filter will also be needing some of the flow

id love to put up some pictures, but at present dont have a clue about
making interwebby sites (well maybe a clue but thats all) might try and put
some in a yahoo photo album! its still a work in progress, but as i have
learned in my time ponding, its always a work in progress.. lol

Lost






Ka30P June 24th 04 02:53 PM

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Hi Lost,
Thanks for the translation! ;-)
We have sturgeon over here that live in the rivers and they can get to be huge.
One recently got stuck in an irrigation canal around here and had to be removed
with a pickup truck towing it out.
I think a veggie filter will do a good job for you and it looks nice to boot.

We'll enjoy hearing more about your projects!


kathy :-)
algae primer
http://hometown.aol.com/ka30p/myhomepage/garden.html

Nedra June 24th 04 04:23 PM

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A tip for your photo album online. Try this: It's easy to navigate - I was
able to use
and it's Free!
http://community.webshots.com

Good Luck!

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"Lostin1999" wrote in message
...

"Bonnie" wrote in message
...
Lostin1999 wrote:
"Mary kate" wrote in message
...

I'm new here also and I'm also new at ponding. I know how frustrating
it is to need answers and not get any......perhaps were on our own

until
we reach (their) levels in ponding. I've found several good
books.......at least with reading books there's no ( how many PORG'S
does it take to get ONE question answered) problems..LOL Wish I could
answer your questions { because I would ...there important to you }
hang in there...you still have a love for ponding, you just have to

find
another means for getting your questions answered :-) A BOOK



yeah ive been reading Pond and water garden book's for a few years

(ever
since the idea first came to me to have a pond (well before the

current
"FAD" of ponding)) ive read from Charlie Dimmock to RHS (Royal

Horticultural
Society).

for the feature it appears I can use what I like as long as it has a

liner
over it.. so the water feature is pretty much sorted (yet to be

built,
but
plans are afoot!!)

cannot get any answers on the Sterlets, (but I have learned not to

call
then
Sturgeon (they are too young)) but im assuming it may be I have 2

males
and
they are seeking females (the smaller one of the trio at only 8" long

will
not be up to maturity for another year..

brings me onto why I got sterlets.. I was told they ate Blanket weed
(string algae to this newsgroup) so promptly bought 4.. (lost one

when
I
was sorting a pump blockage and accidentally dropped pump into water

right
on top of it.. (alas poor fish)) funny how easy some retailers find

it
to
lie to get a sale (that said I love em now!!)

was sorting out a slow flow through my UV filter yesterday and managed

to
drop it in the pond.. (so had to reset the main fuse in the house and

my UV
may be dead.. (oops) just glad it didn't hit any fish and that the

fuse
was faster to act than the electric was to kill any fish!! (im very

lucky
so far)

not putting a uv on new pond (yet) as I need the filter (all new bio

media)
to fill with the good bacteria.. using alfagrog now (was on them

plastic
things provided with a hoselock box,) but feel new pond will need more

than
that. and read loads of good reviews of the Alfagrog stuff. so all

is
going well..

as this is my first ornamental pond im being VERY careful..

Lost



Hi,

I do know who Charlie Dimmock is and do appreciate her work.
The reason many of your questions weren't answered is that
we don't know the answers. Many of your terms are unknown
to us in the USA. I know nothing of sturgeon nor sterlets,
nor hoselock box, or alfagrog. We need a translator!

--
Bonnie
NJ

Sterlets more info at
http://www.aquariacentral.com/fishinfo/cold/sterlet.htm

Hoselock box is a filter box made by hozelock but has now been modified...
http://www.watergardeningdirect.com/...OuterFrame.htm
mines the 9000 but as i say it has all new internals...

Alfagrog = a ceramic Lavarock style filter biomedia (and ill be adding a
veggie filter (having only learned of them here) soon)

http://www.shopcreator.com/mall/Brad...ct-1031277.stm

so to recap, ive got an old hoselock filter box that i have removed the
plastic biomedia from and changed it for the alfagrog, at the moment the
flow is a wee bit high, but the spitters are yet to arrive and the geggie
filter will also be needing some of the flow

id love to put up some pictures, but at present dont have a clue about
making interwebby sites (well maybe a clue but thats all) might try and

put
some in a yahoo photo album! its still a work in progress, but as i have
learned in my time ponding, its always a work in progress.. lol

Lost








Newbie Bill June 24th 04 09:45 PM

Few odd Questions Any help appreciated (pond/water couorsebuil...
 
What's the ol saying - If you've got it,
flaunt it. I'd say you've got it to flaunt..... A LITTLE BIT :)
Bill

wrote in message
...
heh, I resemble that remark. actually got a bumper sticker says "I am one

of those
fancy pants elitists" LOL
Ingrid

bluegill phil wrote:
some are overrun with socalled intellectuals.


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bluegill phil June 25th 04 01:02 AM

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Your French???
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:43:08 GMT, wrote:

heh, I resemble that remark. actually got a bumper sticker says "I am one of those
fancy pants elitists" LOL
Ingrid

bluegill phil wrote:
some are overrun with socalled intellectuals.


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[email protected] June 25th 04 04:04 PM

Few odd Questions Any help appreciated (pond/water couorsebuil...
 
you DO know to whom I am referring, right? as in who lately called some journalists
"fancy pants elitists" ?

Ingrid

"Newbie Bill" wrote:

What's the ol saying - If you've got it,
flaunt it. I'd say you've got it to flaunt..... A LITTLE BIT :)
Bill



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

bluegill phil June 26th 04 12:54 AM

Few odd Questions Any help appreciated (pond/water couorsebuil...
 
no I didnt hear about it

On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 15:04:41 GMT, wrote:

you DO know to whom I am referring, right? as in who lately called some journalists
"fancy pants elitists" ?

Ingrid

"Newbie Bill" wrote:

What's the ol saying - If you've got it,
flaunt it. I'd say you've got it to flaunt..... A LITTLE BIT :)
Bill



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.



Newbie Bill June 26th 04 05:21 AM

Few odd Questions Any help appreciated (pond/water couorsebuil...
 
By George I believe we do. But in this group we want to talk about the bird
in hand right :)
Bill


wrote in message
...
you DO know to whom I am referring, right? as in who lately called some

journalists
"fancy pants elitists" ?

Ingrid

"Newbie Bill" wrote:

What's the ol saying - If you've got it,
flaunt it. I'd say you've got it to flaunt..... A LITTLE BIT :)
Bill



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.





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