Betta question
 

[-=LÈGIÖN=-] wrote:


If female bettas can be content living among their own sex, I'd be
content with just the females. Has anyone kept only female bettas for
long periods of time?

Absolutely.
Currently my 75g has only females.
After their initial bickering over the hierarchy, all is fine.
On occasion you may get 2 dominant females that neither will submit,
and one of them will need to find a new home.
This is all common when it comes to Bettas though.
When you have fish that need to push their weight around to find their
place, sometimes it can get nippy, or even a chunk of fin missing is
still normal.
Constant biting, no. Not normal and one is overly aggressive or just
can't stand that individual fish. They too have likes and dislikes.
I've specialized in these fish for 28 yrs and when it comes to them,
yes, I'd say I was an expert.
Once you really start to see their hierarchy, their body language,
etc....they make for quite interesting little fish.
I keep a rainbow of females in the 75g, and usually a resident male.
However, I have quite a bruiser of a female when it comes to the boys
and cannot house one in there now.
She's not even the alpha (the big boss) either. Just does not tolerate
a male at all.
Hey....what's a 30 liter in US gallons anyway?
Somebody tell me because I do not know the conversion.

Betta question
 

Köi-Lö wrote:

Yes, and they got along ok. A nip here and there but otherwise they lived
in relative peace.

You forgot the part about it depending on the individual personality of
each fish.
There are females from time to time that cannot be housed with certain
females, or some that can't be housed with any female.
This needs to be said *each* time.
It doesn't matter if you said it a month ago, or 20 minutes ago.
All Bettas are different and that needs to be said each time. You
should always have a back plan as well if it doesn't turn out the way
you want it to.
It's also so much easier when the females are spawn siblings.
Males things so much easier, as their hierarchy was figured out long
ago when they were babies.

Betta question
 

Tynk wrote:

It's also so much easier when the females are spawn siblings.
Males things so much easier, as their hierarchy was figured out long
ago when they were babies.

That should have been *makes* things so much easier. = )~

Betta question
 

"Tynk" wrote in message
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Köi-Lö wrote:


Besides, we are not arguing over the morality of keeping fish, but on
how
best to keep them. A larger tank will always be better.

This I agree with. But nothing can be better than a fish's or animal's
natural habitat for the general welfare of the animal/fish/bird and it's
quality of life. A prime example are the cageless zoos and the reasons
for
====================================
Ok....but you just said in another post that Bettas are fine bowls or
jars.
They aren't.

Wild bettas? Or are you talking about the unnaturally long finned bettas I
keep? You know the ones,... the ones that wouldn't last a day in a rice
patty.
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Aquariums since 1952.
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Betta question
 

"Tynk" wrote in message
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Koi Lo wrote:


See above. It's not misinformation where really aggressive bettas are
concerned and smaller tanks with few or no hiding places. Don't assume
everyone has a 30L or larger planted tank.
--

Being that this has been explained over and over and over....
That the tank needs to be large enough, well planted and that each
individual personality allows it, no one is talking about a small, bare
tank.

And no one was talking about a well planted 30L or larger either.

No one needs to assume it it has to be the size tank YOU used either.

Nor the size YOU use either.

Seems to me you're getting overly aggressive males.

I buy and bought what's available where I live.

If you have had a large enough tank and this many probs, I'd look into
finding new stock.
You also said in one of your posts about the male building his
nests....

Most males had nests most of the time.

If a male is in a filtered, heated tank and with 3 or more females
(proper size and dechor of course) there shouldn't be any spawning
behavior going on anyway.

I guess my males didn't read your website since they had nests most of the
time, usually on the edge of or amid the planted area.

You also run into trouble trying to house only one female and one male
per tank.
They have to form a hierarchy which can't be done properly with only a
pair.
Occasionly you will find a couple of placid Bettas and they're fine.
But to say the male will always shred a female, stress her, or kill
her,

Which is a very good possibility in a smaller unplanted tank
unfortunately..........

whatever it is you're saying today (this does change per post) and
that they shouldn't ever be housed together is simply wrong. It just
is.

Saying TODAY? When did I ever say it was fine to put to bettas together in
a small unplanted tank? You better learn to check those *headers* before
making such erroneous statements about what people say here. I have always
been for keeping bettas separate or no more than one to a tank.

I bet the entire problem you have experienced is not enough females and
a tank that was too small.

I bet you're wrong.........

Besides....if you had overly aggressive males (rare with Splendens) you
should have never tried to house them together.

Check headers.......... see above.
Reading Headers:
http://tinyurl.com/amm9s

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Betta question
 

"Tynk" wrote in message
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Köi-Lö wrote:

Yes, and they got along ok. A nip here and there but otherwise they lived
in relative peace.

You forgot the part about it depending on the individual personality of
each fish.
There are females from time to time that cannot be housed with certain
females, or some that can't be housed with any female.
This needs to be said *each* time.

Then say it if you have hours and hours to type the same info endlessly.
You forgot that I'm going by my own experience - not YOUR experience. I
never had a female that killed or shredded other females. I'm sorry that
you did. You should have bought less aggressive females (as you told me
about my males.) . Why do you insist I post YOUR experience instead of my
own?

It doesn't matter if you said it a month ago, or 20 minutes ago.
All Bettas are different and that needs to be said each time. You
should always have a back plan as well if it doesn't turn out the way
you want it to.

Then tell people to buy TWO tanks for the females in case they don't get
along.

It's also so much easier when the females are spawn siblings.
Males things so much easier, as their hierarchy was figured out long
ago when they were babies.
--
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Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({*

Betta question
 

30 Liters = 7.925161570744453 Gallons
http://www.calculateme.com/Volume/Liters/ToGallons.htm

http://www.easysurf.cc/cnver2.htm#gl1

nik



"Tynk" wrote in message
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[-=LÈGIÖN=-] wrote:


If female bettas can be content living among their own sex, I'd be
content with just the females. Has anyone kept only female bettas for
long periods of time?

Absolutely.
Currently my 75g has only females.
After their initial bickering over the hierarchy, all is fine.
On occasion you may get 2 dominant females that neither will submit,
and one of them will need to find a new home.
This is all common when it comes to Bettas though.
When you have fish that need to push their weight around to find their
place, sometimes it can get nippy, or even a chunk of fin missing is
still normal.
Constant biting, no. Not normal and one is overly aggressive or just
can't stand that individual fish. They too have likes and dislikes.
I've specialized in these fish for 28 yrs and when it comes to them,
yes, I'd say I was an expert.
Once you really start to see their hierarchy, their body language,
etc....they make for quite interesting little fish.
I keep a rainbow of females in the 75g, and usually a resident male.
However, I have quite a bruiser of a female when it comes to the boys
and cannot house one in there now.
She's not even the alpha (the big boss) either. Just does not tolerate
a male at all.
Hey....what's a 30 liter in US gallons anyway?
Somebody tell me because I do not know the conversion.

Betta question
 

"[-=LÈGIÖN=-]" wrote in message
...
On 22 Jul 2006 12:30:45 -0700, "Tynk" wrote:


[-=LÈGIÖN=-] wrote:
Thanks for hanging around the aquaria groups. It will be noisy here
from time to time, relative to the aquaria/pond/garden wars with
certain posters as targets, including myself.


Your postings are valuable us all.


Thanks.
I have to do what I can to save the poor Bettas living in cold jars!
Sheesh.
Some folks just want to argue.
I just like telling the facts.


Amen...I am seriously considering another 55 gal and just stock it
with female bettas...I'm serious. Just females. If this is a
problem...SOMEBODY STOP ME. PLEASE.




No not a problem, just some stuff you should know before you do it, but
beyond that they can make a very pretty & interesting tank.
first thing, unlike most other setups with other fish, these guys are going
to nip and fight for a few days some times longer until they establish who
is who in the tank, alpha ect, once they have that worked out things will
settle down, from time to time you will see them bicker but that's ok. Once
in a while you will have one who is just not going to get along, this will
happen if two females want to be alpha and neither will back down, then you
may have two remove one of them. To be honest, I find it to be one of the
neatest setups because the way they interact with one another. You will see
different colors come out in them, and different personalities. Just when
you have time do a search on a female betta tank, there is some good
information that will explain what they will go though in the first week and
why, and even that is neat to watch form.
Nik

Betta question
 

Köi-Lö wrote:


====================================
Ok....but you just said in another post that Bettas are fine bowls or
jars.
They aren't.

Wild bettas? Or are you talking about the unnaturally long finned bettas I
keep? You know the ones,... the ones that wouldn't last a day in a rice
patty.
--

Nope. The entire conversation has been about domestic Bettas, not wild
ones.
You tossed in the native habitats when everyone else was talking about
pet shops types, and aquariums. Then you started talking about how
tanks can't compare to their native habitats, etc....FYI - Patty is a
ladies name, not a rice paddie.

Betta question
 

Nikki wrote:
30 Liters = 7.925161570744453 Gallons
http://www.calculateme.com/Volume/Liters/ToGallons.htm

Well then, Koi-Lo shouldn't be housing 3 (or more, as you shouldn't
ever just have 2 females per tank) females and one male in that small
of a tank anyway.
Thank Nik, you're a peach.
P.S....you also know what you're doing. = )

Betta question
 

[-=LÈGIÖN=-] wrote:


Thanks.
I have to do what I can to save the poor Bettas living in cold jars!
Sheesh.
Some folks just want to argue.
I just like telling the facts.


Amen...I am seriously considering another 55 gal and just stock it
with female bettas...I'm serious. Just females. If this is a
problem...SOMEBODY STOP ME. PLEASE.


No way! I'm not stopping you, hehe.
You will have a very cool tank in deed.
The only hard part will be when you add them, do it all at once. That
way they are all on neutral territory. This can be done by buying stock
and keeping them in quarantine tanks, or other tanks until you get the
desired amount for the 55g.
You will have bickering at first, as they need to figure out their
hierarchy.
Once that's established you'll see all their every day type body
language. This is so interesting to me and I can't get enough of it,
lol.
You'll soon figure out what each posture or finflash means for the
situation. You'll soon learn who is the alpha..all the way down to the
omega (lowest in rank).
You'll see action when another female wants to take over that role and
the difference between that and just "testing" the alpha. Now when you
have 2 females that refuse to back down, one needs to go to another
home. This is on the rare side, but since you have other tanks already,
it shouldn't be a problem for you.
There are several fin variations available now, and every color of the
rainbow to choose from. Who ever says females are drab, ugly, colorless
fish are ignorant and needs to do some research, lol.

Betta question
 

"[-=LÈGIÖN=-]" wrote in message
...
Amen...I am seriously considering another 55 gal and just stock it
with female bettas...I'm serious. Just females. If this is a
problem...SOMEBODY STOP ME. PLEASE.
======================
Why not breed your own? You can sell or trade the excess and will soon have
loads of females.
--
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Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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Betta question
 

"Tynk" wrote in message
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Köi-Lö wrote:


====================================
Ok....but you just said in another post that Bettas are fine bowls or
jars.
They aren't.

Wild bettas? Or are you talking about the unnaturally long finned bettas
I
keep? You know the ones,... the ones that wouldn't last a day in a rice
patty.
--
========================
Nope. The entire conversation has been about domestic Bettas, not wild
ones.

* As for the *domestic* bettas with the unnaturally long fins - yes, they
are better off in captivity. The conversation/thread in general was about
FISH other than domestic bettas.

You tossed in the native habitats when everyone else was talking about
pet shops types, and aquariums.

* Are you claiming now that we're not allowed to discuss "native habitats?"

Then you started talking about how
tanks can't compare to their native habitats, etc....

* They can't. I'm talking quality of life (think cageless zoos) and you're
talking length of life.

FYI - Patty is a
ladies name, not a rice paddie.

* Are you the spelling police now? Why don't you just killfile me instead
of constantly harassing and trolling me? What are you getting out of this?
It seems you feel only *YOUR* experiences should be posted here, no one
else's experiences count. Maybe you should start a moderated betta group
where only approved messages concerning bettas can appear.
--
KL....
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({*

Betta question
 

"[-=LÈGIÖN=-]" wrote in message
...
On 22 Jul 2006 12:49:48 -0700, "Tynk" wrote:
I bet the entire problem you have experienced is not enough females and
a tank that was too small.
Besides....if you had overly aggressive males (rare with Splendens) you
should have never tried to house them together.


POPCORN...!!!
PEANUTS....!!!
CRACKER JACKS...!!!
===============
She's just trolling me. No one else's experiences with bettas count but her
own. The "spelling police" message was the tip-off. Some wanna-be trolls
harass others like this in their quest to drive the other person off. Also
egotistical people (and know-it-alls) forbid anyone else's experiences to be
posted that don't agree with what *they* experienced. It infuriates them
for some reason. But that's Usenet for you.
--
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Aquariums since 1952.
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http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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Betta question
 

"[-=LÈGIÖN=-]" wrote in message
...

SOMEBODY STOP ME.........
We just can't have enough tanks, can we.
===========================
At some point we almost all say ENOUGH ALREADY! I found a home for my
platys. They're going to a gal with a 30Long I gave her as a wedding gift
18 years ago. Yep,... she still keeps fish. :-) The 10g will go back
into storage. But then I have all those huge outdoor tanks.........
--
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Betta question
 

"Tynk" wrote in message
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Nikki wrote:
30 Liters = 7.925161570744453 Gallons
http://www.calculateme.com/Volume/Liters/ToGallons.htm

Well then, Koi-Lo shouldn't be housing 3

Koi-Lo didn't house 3 or more bettas to a 10g tank.

(or more, as you shouldn't
ever just have 2 females per tank) females and one male in that small
of a tank anyway.

Who said my 30 gallon long tanks only hold 10 gallons of water? That makes
no sense.

Thank Nik, you're a peach.
P.S....you also know what you're doing. = )

30 gallon tanks hold 30 GALLONS, not 10 gallons of water. ;-)

--
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Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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Betta question
 

"[-=LÈGIÖN=-]" wrote in message
...
My neighbor, down the road, were yappin' about fish over coffee this
afternoon. I told him I wish I had known more about bettas when I got
into the hobby in the '80s. Just like the cichilds, I'm absolutely
sold on their personality.

Then you would enjoy raising them! Why not give it a shot?

And since I'm more into heartier (?) fish
these days,

Let's see if she CORRECTS your spelling......... ;-)

as I understand it, the bettas are right up my alley. I
don't want to get into keeping pedigree fish anymore..too much money
and time...the summer drought killed my money tree as it is.

I'm brainstorming a 55 gal with about 12 colored female bettas and the
right planting....I'll sleep good tonight, you can bet.

Check the second-hand stores for cheap tanks. Look for adds in the local
papers in the closest larger town. The last place to find a good bargain
are the pet stores.
--
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Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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Betta question
 

"[-=LÈGIÖN=-]" wrote in message
...
Put a halloween mask on...march up to the fish isle witha hammer and
bust the damn locks off.

Then run like hell.

Don't forget the insanity plea, just in case. Better yet, fake a
seizure.
======================
It just amazes me they can get away with such cruelty. The boy told me it
was because people would open containers of food from the shelves and feed
the fish, fouling the water. I can see that as the reason for having those
locked boards across the top. But there should be and could be one
designated employee to feed them once a day or every other day.

This is one of those quality-of-life issues I was talking about above. What
chance do these fish have and WM buys them by the million. What's the
chance someone experienced will buy fish there - one in several hundred?
Remember what happened to those beautiful calico lionheads I weakened and
bought there? I knew better than to take a chance. Within days they
developed those contagious ulcers and had to be returned. I'd bet you 99%
of the fish sold to WW are dead in less than a month.
--
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Aquariums since 1952.
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Betta question
 

"[-=LÈGIÖN=-]" wrote in message
...

Yeh, about 2 months ago, my closest walmart had great tanks running
with healthy fish of great numbers and variety of species.

This was surely because they accidentally hired someone knowledgeable who
CARED. Don't give credit to the store manager. But few employees stay in
these stores long. The turnover is great.

Then about
a month later, the entire isle is in shambles...I wont say anymore.
You can guess the rest.

Yep,... I've seen this same thing happen here. But as for healthy?!?!?!
There were always a few with fungus or a bacterial infection plus ick. We
have a mom & pop store that's just as bad. I try to avoid temptation and
not stop there........

Shameful. I picked up the betta girl yesterday, and I'll be damned if
I'm not considering picking up another tank and rescue the whole lot
of bettas from them.=?

But that just encourages these stores to order more. Surely you have a Pet
Supermarket or PetsMart there.
--
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Aquariums since 1952.
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Betta question
 

"Köi-Lö" $##$$@$##$$.#$$ wrote in message
...

"Tynk" wrote in message
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Nikki wrote:
30 Liters = 7.925161570744453 Gallons
http://www.calculateme.com/Volume/Liters/ToGallons.htm

Well then, Koi-Lo shouldn't be housing 3

Koi-Lo didn't house 3 or more bettas to a 10g tank.

(or more, as you shouldn't
ever just have 2 females per tank) females and one male in that small
of a tank anyway.

Who said my 30 gallon long tanks only hold 10 gallons of water? That
makes no sense.

Thank Nik, you're a peach.
P.S....you also know what you're doing. = )

30 gallon tanks hold 30 GALLONS, not 10 gallons of water. ;-)

--
KL.......
Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({*


She was asking how many gl is 30 liters.
Nik

Betta question
 

[-=LÈGIÖN=-] wrote:
My neighbor, down the road, were yappin' about fish over coffee this
afternoon. I told him I wish I had known more about bettas when I got
into the hobby in the '80s. Just like the cichilds, I'm absolutely
sold on their personality. And since I'm more into heartier (?) fish
these days, as I understand it, the bettas are right up my alley. I
don't want to get into keeping pedigree fish anymore..too much money
and time...the summer drought killed my money tree as it is.

I'm brainstorming a 55 gal with about 12 colored female bettas and the
right planting....I'll sleep good tonight, you can bet.


On 22 Jul 2006 13:06:09 -0700, "Tynk" wrote:


[-=LÈGIÖN=-] wrote:


If female bettas can be content living among their own sex, I'd be
content with just the females. Has anyone kept only female bettas for
long periods of time?

Absolutely.
Currently my 75g has only females.
After their initial bickering over the hierarchy, all is fine.
On occasion you may get 2 dominant females that neither will submit,
and one of them will need to find a new home.
This is all common when it comes to Bettas though.
When you have fish that need to push their weight around to find their
place, sometimes it can get nippy, or even a chunk of fin missing is
still normal.
Constant biting, no. Not normal and one is overly aggressive or just
can't stand that individual fish. They too have likes and dislikes.
I've specialized in these fish for 28 yrs and when it comes to them,
yes, I'd say I was an expert.
Once you really start to see their hierarchy, their body language,
etc....they make for quite interesting little fish.
I keep a rainbow of females in the 75g, and usually a resident male.
However, I have quite a bruiser of a female when it comes to the boys
and cannot house one in there now.
She's not even the alpha (the big boss) either. Just does not tolerate
a male at all.
Hey....what's a 30 liter in US gallons anyway?
Somebody tell me because I do not know the conversion.

From what I remember, a litre is alittle more than a quart. With that
angle, my guess would be around 10 gallons,...too lazy to get up and
grab one of the books...even lazier to google it.

Betta question
 

"[-=LÈGIÖN=-]" wrote in message
...
Well, I had gobs of luck with platys...but I figured that was only cuz
platys would mate over a clothes line.


I'm seriously considering taking all my other fish and setting up a
tank for the neighbor. She'll have the benefit of saving money and
already acclimated to the same water supply.
=====================
And just having a 55g for bettas?
--
KL....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({*

Betta question
 

"[-=LÈGIÖN=-]" wrote in message
...
Coffee, anyone?

===============
Make mine light and sweet. ;-)
--
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Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({*

Betta question
 

"[-=LÈGIÖN=-]" wrote in message
...
Its not a subject that's addressed as often as it should. For those
that pick nat s#it out of pepper, the really precise type when dealing
with medications and treating tanks for ailments, you can see how one
could easily overdose a tank when treating for diseases.
==================
Can those who sell medications be taking that into account?
--
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Aquariums since 1952.
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Betta question
 

"[-=LÈGIÖN=-]" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 11:51:13 -0500, Köi-Lö $##$$@$##$$.#$$ wrote:
Let's see if she CORRECTS your spelling......... ;-)

I'm at an age where I'm too damn lazy to google or webster my spelling
anymore. Hands crippled up make typing fun or frustrating, depending
on the amount of coffee I've consumed.

There's a FREE spellchecker for OE. I think most other NRs come with them
now. I use one because of my typos mainly.

I'm old enough to know what needs done, what's just fun, what's boring
and by that time, It's a new day on the calendar.

Lazy has its rewards. Few. But they are there.

LOL!!! I agree......
--
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Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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Betta question
 

Köi-Lö wrote:

"[-=LÈGIÖN=-]" wrote in message
...
Well, I had gobs of luck with platys...but I figured that was only cuz
platys would mate over a clothes line.


I'm seriously considering taking all my other fish and setting up a
tank for the neighbor. She'll have the benefit of saving money and
already acclimated to the same water supply.
=====================
And just having a 55g for bettas?

Yes. along w/the cories...
I've got see what size tank she'll get (as I'm gonna keep pursuading
her) and I have another neighbor who picked up the fish bug. I like my
bala and clown loach. I've got to sit down and consider all the angles.

Of course, it would be easier just to pickup another 55. I think that's
gonna be the correct course of action. Not holding in a wait-state
while others' make their decisions. And I need another 55 to go in the
bedroom as it is.

Problem solved.

55 gallon.
Move two cories and the clown loach
10 betta females..plenty of plants..

Whoilla.



I

--




[-=LÈGIÖN=-]
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Betta question
 

"Köi-Lö" $##$$@$##$$.#$$ wrote in message
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"[-=LÈGIÖN=-]" wrote in message
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Its not a subject that's addressed as often as it should. For those
that pick nat s#it out of pepper, the really precise type when dealing
with medications and treating tanks for ailments, you can see how one
could easily overdose a tank when treating for diseases.
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Can those who sell medications be taking that into account?
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I dont think so, i think they expect you to know how many gl of water are in
your tank, other wise their could be a mistake, some people put nothing in
their tanks as far as rock ect, some people do so i think when they dose
it....it is for the amount they say.
Nik

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"Köi-Lö" $##$$@$##$$.#$$ wrote in message
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Can those who sell medications be taking that into account?
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I dont think so, i think they expect you to know how many gl of water are
in your tank, other wise their could be a mistake, some people put nothing
in their tanks as far as rock ect, some people do so i think when they
dose it....it is for the amount they say.
Nik
================================
I've been dosing for the amount stated on the packages. I also have gravel
in all my tanks. Hummm.... I need to make an adjustment the next time I
medicate.
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Köi-Lö wrote:

"Nikki" wrote in message
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"Köi-Lö" $##$$@$##$$.#$$ wrote in message
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Can those who sell medications be taking that into account?
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I dont think so, i think they expect you to know how many gl of water
are in your tank, other wise their could be a mistake, some people
put nothing in their tanks as far as rock ect, some people do so i
think when they dose it....it is for the amount they say.
Nik
================================
I've been dosing for the amount stated on the packages. I also have
gravel in all my tanks. Hummm.... I need to make an adjustment the
next time I medicate.
Well, in the example I made with my tank, a bare 55 gal holds 47 gal.
I have an average of 3 inches of substrate (pea gravel and sand), not
leveled out. Some areas are 5 inches. It slopes from the back and
corners to about 2 inches in the front. I figured with the gravel and
driftwood, I've displaced close to 12 gallons. So I look at my tank as
holding around 35 gallons of water. I could narrow that down by taking
into account the plants and fish and could say ...ehh...34. That's all
the nat s#!t I'm gonna pick out, trust me.

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Köi-Lö wrote:

"[-=LÈGIÖN=-]" wrote in message
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Its not a subject that's addressed as often as it should. For those
that pick nat s#it out of pepper, the really precise type when dealing
with medications and treating tanks for ailments, you can see how one
could easily overdose a tank when treating for diseases.
==================
Can those who sell medications be taking that into account?
Well, from a vendor's standpoint, labels dictating medical admissions
are addressed in ratios. This per that..this per so many gallons..this
per quarts...ppm....hell, I do good just to read the mercury on my
thermometer. !!!

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Köi-Lö wrote:
"Tynk" wrote in message
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Nikki wrote:
30 Liters = 7.925161570744453 Gallons
http://www.calculateme.com/Volume/Liters/ToGallons.htm

Well then, Koi-Lo shouldn't be housing 3

Koi-Lo didn't house 3 or more bettas to a 10g tank.

(or more, as you shouldn't
ever just have 2 females per tank) females and one male in that small
of a tank anyway.

Who said my 30 gallon long tanks only hold 10 gallons of water? That makes
no sense.



Ah..there's that twisting, and adding of words that were never said you
are well known for.
Here's my post....copied and pasted. I never once said a 30g tanks hold
3g's water, you nit. LOL
You said 30L which stands for 30 liter. If you were talking about a 30g
as in 30 gallons then you would have made yourself clear.
Everyone here uses G for gallons and L for liters.
If, when referring to a "long" tank, ther proper way to type that to
avoid confusion would be 30gL...meaning 30 gallon long. This has been
the common way of doing this since I was a little girl. Now don't
start with the it has to be my way or it's wrong crap.
Go whine some place else. This is just how it is. Same with the proper
care of Bettas. It has nothing to do with MY way. It's just the proper
way...I learned it just as anyone else can...unless they have a problem
doing this properly.

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Nikki wrote:
30 Liters = 7.925161570744453 Gallons
http://www.calculateme.com/Volume/Liters/ToGallons.htm


Well then, Koi-Lo shouldn't be housing 3 (or more, as you shouldn't
ever just have 2 females per tank) females and one male in that small
of a tank anyway.
Thank Nik, you're a peach.
P.S....you also know what you're doing. = )

Now....Do I need to copy and paste your post where you typed 30L?
Maybe that means 30gL in your head, but anyone else would assume you
meant a 30 Liter...which would be 7.? something gallons.

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Köi-Lö wrote:


Who said my 30 gallon long tanks only hold 10 gallons of water? That makes
no sense.

Thank Nik, you're a peach.
P.S....you also know what you're doing. = )

30 gallon tanks hold 30 GALLONS, not 10 gallons of water. ;-)

Here ya go.
I copied and pasted what you said, so that you can't argue about it:

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"Nikki" wrote in message


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They definitely have their own personalities. :-)

Which is a big part of if a male/female can be put together. Most times
people say you can only put a male by him self, and some males that is
true, but not most of them, mind seem to do better in a community.
Tynk I think has hers in a 75g, Ed I think had his in a 55g, I have a pair
in a 30 long, with out no problem.



These are BIGGER tanks and if planted and the bettas are not very
aggressive, it should be ok. I just don't think people should be
encouraged
to even try it if they have a tank smaller than a 30L.


See above....you said 30L..meaning liters.

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"Tynk" wrote in message
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Köi-Lö wrote:
"Tynk" wrote in message
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Nikki wrote:
30 Liters = 7.925161570744453 Gallons
http://www.calculateme.com/Volume/Liters/ToGallons.htm

Well then, Koi-Lo shouldn't be housing 3

Koi-Lo didn't house 3 or more bettas to a 10g tank.

(or more, as you shouldn't
ever just have 2 females per tank) females and one male in that small
of a tank anyway.

Who said my 30 gallon long tanks only hold 10 gallons of water? That
makes
no sense.

=======================
Ah..there's that twisting, and adding of words that were never said you
are well known for.

* Well know for by who? You? All I can go by is what you post. Where did
I ever claim I kept male and female bettas together in small tanks?

THIS is what you posted:
"Well then, Koi-Lo shouldn't be housing 3 (or more, as you shouldn't
ever just have 2 females per tank) females and one male in *that small
of a tank anyway."*

Memory lapse there Tynk, or a troll-trick just to disagree with anything and
everything I post?

Here's my post....copied and pasted. I never once said a 30g tanks hold
3g's water, you nit. LOL

LOL, LOL.... here it is again.
"Well then, Koi-Lo shouldn't be housing 3 (or more, as you shouldn't
ever just have 2 females per tank) females and one male in *that small
of a tank anyway."*

You said 30L which stands for 30 liter.

No Tynk, where I come from a 30L is a 30Long which I often write out. Know
what you're talking about before insulting someone.

If you were talking about a 30g
as in 30 gallons then you would have made yourself clear.

I have made myself clear many times on this NG by writing out 30Long.

Everyone here uses G for gallons and L for liters.

And everyone I know uses 30L to mean a 30 gallon LONG tank. I've used 30L
here many times as well and wrote out 30Long.

If, when referring to a "long" tank, ther proper way to type that to
avoid confusion would be 30gL...meaning 30 gallon long. This has been
the common way of doing this since I was a little girl. Now don't
start with the it has to be my way or it's wrong crap.

Now don't you start to tell me what everyone does here, did here, will do
here, should do here and on and on and on just like a troll does...........
use your killfile.

Go whine some place else.

LOL,... you need to whine somewhere else. The group was peaceful until YOU
came back and are now trying to dominate the group and what people post
here. You're the one constantly whining and sobbing and crying about
everything I post in the mistaken belief that if you troll me long enough
you'll chase me away. Why not post on the moderated group where no one will
disagree with you?

This is just how it is. Same with the proper
care of Bettas. It has nothing to do with MY way. It's just the proper
way...

According to *YOU* and yet they live a long time other ways as well, which
you can't accept for some reason. It's either your way or you troll and
insult the person. You think your insulting disagreeable and obnoxious
aggressiveness will force people to agree with you.

I learned it just as anyone else can...unless they have a problem
doing this properly.

You have the problem accepting that there are other ways to keep bettas than
*YOUR* way.
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"Tynk" wrote in message
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Köi-Lö wrote:


Who said my 30 gallon long tanks only hold 10 gallons of water? That
makes
no sense.

Thank Nik, you're a peach.
P.S....you also know what you're doing. = )

30 gallon tanks hold 30 GALLONS, not 10 gallons of water. ;-)

Here ya go.
I copied and pasted what you said, so that you can't argue about it:
===============
This has already been covered including your immature nasty trollish insults
in the messages above. And because of your memory problems allow me to
repeat that I have always advocated keeping bettas ALONE. That's because in
MY EXPERIENCE they didn't do well with other fish for a variety of reasons
that have already been covered in the past. The females got along ok as I
already posted several times. The males *IN MY EXPERIENCE* were the problem
and that's why I keep them separate and in their own jars or bowls. Now if
you don't want me to post *MY EXPERIENCES* with bettas here you are out of
luck since this is an open forum for everyone. You may be happier to stay
in a moderated forum where you can tell the moderator who can and can't post
if their experience isn't like yours - you can't do that here.
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There's a very good reason you are not allowed to post on the group
that had to be formed because of your trol followers.
I am not a troll.
I was simply correcting false, or misleading statements.
And no, it's just you. I will correct anyone who states anything false
about Bettas.
Now before you go on again and again about how it's MY opinion and blah
blah blah, anything I say can be checked for fact. Go ahead. Stop
adivsing people like your experience with them is fact. You kept them
in tiny bowls on your wondow sill for goodness sake until you finanlly
ungraded to them a larger container after god knows how long of going
round and round with you. You even said that you were starting to think
it was better to house them in larger tanks.
So get over yourself with the "I'm trolling you" crap. If you don't
want to be corrected, don't say bullcrap. It's quite simple.
Now quit your whining!

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This should have read as follows...

On 23 Jul 2006 08:48:32 -0700, "Tynk" wrote:




Thanks.
I have to do what I can to save the poor Bettas living in cold jars!
Sheesh.
Some folks just want to argue.
I just like telling the facts.


On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:08:22 -0500, [-=LÈGIÖN=-]
wrote:
Amen...I am seriously considering another 55 gal and just stock it
with female bettas...I'm serious. Just females. If this is a
problem...SOMEBODY STOP ME. PLEASE.


No way! I'm not stopping you, hehe.
You will have a very cool tank in deed.
The only hard part will be when you add them, do it all at once. That
way they are all on neutral territory. This can be done by buying stock
and keeping them in quarantine tanks, or other tanks until you get the
desired amount for the 55g.
You will have bickering at first, as they need to figure out their
hierarchy.
Once that's established you'll see all their every day type body
language. This is so interesting to me and I can't get enough of it,
lol.
You'll soon figure out what each posture or finflash means for the
situation. You'll soon learn who is the alpha..all the way down to the
omega (lowest in rank).
You'll see action when another female wants to take over that role and
the difference between that and just "testing" the alpha. Now when you
have 2 females that refuse to back down, one needs to go to another
home. This is on the rare side, but since you have other tanks already,
it shouldn't be a problem for you.
There are several fin variations available now, and every color of the
rainbow to choose from. Who ever says females are drab, ugly, colorless
fish are ignorant and needs to do some research, lol.


I find the females far more attractive (just my taste)...I'm not
really big on any fish with gobs and gobs of plummage as I like to
call it.

But I realize for the newcomer how one could be attracted to the male
for its large display. It does make the buyer stop and pause.

I am however a big fan of the female betta's profile. It just has
the ideal outline (matter of taste). My experience with my first
male betta started out with his plummage getting damaged and eaten up
by his girlfriend. It grew back fine...wasn't a case of finrot..just
a fish with jagged fins for about 3 weeks.
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I remember coming home 45 minutes late one day, and my wife (then)
chewed my butt a good one. We had an appointment at the bank with a
loan officer. There were no cell phones then. I was stuck in traffic
that had backed up from a chemical tanker that had jack-knifed on the
highway. I didn't have an SUV to blunder around the fields around the
accident like you'd see on the commercials. It was a Chevy Caprice
Wagon. Yep, that was me, picking up the ladies in my station wagon.

Yep. Scored hundreds of dates in that old rust bucket, rattle-trap of a
car.

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""[-=LÈGIÖN=-]"" wrote in message
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I remember coming home 45 minutes late one day, and my wife (then) chewed
my butt a good one. We had an appointment at the bank with a loan officer.
There were no cell phones then.

I still don't have a cell-phone. :-( I should see about getting one.
Bummer getting caught in traffic.... that seldom happens here in the
boondocks.

I was stuck in traffic
that had backed up from a chemical tanker that had jack-knifed on the
highway. I didn't have an SUV to blunder around the fields around the
accident like you'd see on the commercials. It was a Chevy Caprice Wagon.
Yep, that was me, picking up the ladies in my station wagon.

Out on the highway? LOL!!!!

Yep. Scored hundreds of dates in that old rust bucket, rattle-trap of a
car.

A lift is a lift. Beats walking. ;-)
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"Tynk" wrote in message
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There's a very good reason you are not allowed to post on the group
that had to be formed because of your trol followers.

Troll followes like YOU? Your doing exactly what the trolls did! :-)
You're no different than they are/were.

I am not a troll.

Then why are you acting like one?

I was simply correcting false, or misleading statements.

In YOUR OPINION. You think only your experiences and opinions should be
allowed here. That's also trollish.

And no, it's just you. I will correct anyone who states anything false
about Bettas.

FALSE in your OPINION.

------- snip the same old rude trollish BS. I've had enough of you and
the trolls ---------

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Betta are individuals the same way old south american cichlids are.
thats how i see it anyway
kinda like adding a big oscar to your red devil tank
sure it usually works
but each time is different
and often it equals death
I try seperate my females from males in upturned clean soft drink bottles
this lets me see reactions (colour changes, fin raises and snapping) before
they can get at each other.
good way to see which of several chicks ya dude likes without risking deaths
and injurys
espec when some of me female deltas are worth a substantial amount of money!




"Tynk" wrote in message
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Köi-Lö wrote:

Yes, and they got along ok. A nip here and there but otherwise they lived
in relative peace.

You forgot the part about it depending on the individual personality of
each fish.
There are females from time to time that cannot be housed with certain
females, or some that can't be housed with any female.
This needs to be said *each* time.
It doesn't matter if you said it a month ago, or 20 minutes ago.
All Bettas are different and that needs to be said each time. You
should always have a back plan as well if it doesn't turn out the way
you want it to.
It's also so much easier when the females are spawn siblings.
Males things so much easier, as their hierarchy was figured out long
ago when they were babies.