wintering link to zones with names
 

Kodiak you can indded overwinter fish. We have been doing it in zone 6b in
2.5 feet of water by keeping a hole in the ice. I would think you can do it
in less than 4 feet of water as long as you keep a hole in the ice for
gasses to escape. :o)
Janet in Niagara Falls, ON


"Kodiak" wrote in message
...
Would it be unreasonable to have a pond in Zone 4a or 4b
and expect fish to survive in winter? I live in Montreal Canada,
my feeling is I need a pond at least 4ft deep. Is there info or a table
that
suggests what depth your pond should be depending on the zone your in?
...Kodiak


"Mickey" wrote in message
...
If you are talking Canada you are closer to a zone 2. Zone 5 is going
through the center of the USA. Here is a link with a few names for
reference

http://www.usna.usda.gov/Hardzone/hrdzon3.html

"Axolotl" wrote in message
. 130...
ESPMER (K30a) wrote in
:

Scott wrote Should I disconnect my filter for the winter, or keep
it
running?
I was
planning to keep it, until I read the statement above.

You'll find a lot of people do different things ;-)

The bio bugs won't be 'working' in cold water and the fish won't be
producing much, if any, waste so there is no need to filter a winter
pond. Everybody kind of goes into a stupor for the winter.

Keeping water running, as in a waterfall or fountain, can sometimes
be
dicey. If things start to freeze sometimes the water can freeze in
such a way as to direct water away from the pond. More so in a
waterfall than a fountain.

Another theory to keep the pump off is that the water movement from
the pump to the fountain or waterfall, there and back again, is
making
a current for the fish to swim against when they'd rather just lay
there, slowly finning their fins. Water movement makes them work
harder and use up energy they'd rather put to keeping some weight on
them over the winter.

But, all that said, there are rec.ponders who keep their pump
running
and their waterfall going all winter. And all goes well, no
problems.

Hi there, nice to see you back K30a.

I am not sure what zone I am in, Colour coded maps are not much use to
somebody whose colour blind. I am in Mississauga, just west of
Toronto,
so I think I am in zone 5 (5a). In the past I have disconnected from
the
waterfalls and redirected the flow to a standpipe over the pond, this
keeps an opening in the ice, adds oxygen and provides the local
wildlife
a source of water in the winter.
However, I wonder if this is the best approach, I keep seeing people
recommending a bubbler, I tried this one winter but the air pump died
within 2 weeks. What depth should the air-stone be set to?

TIA
AXO







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"Janet & Hugh" wrote in
:

Nope.... he is indeed in zone 5 in Mississauga, ON which is in the
Greater Toronto area.
Janet in Niagara Falls, ON Z6b


Thank you, I thought I was. However, I could not find a reference that was
not graphic. My wife took a look but she hates working with a computer and
was not certain that she had it right. As I am do not see colour as others
do my monitor is probably way off and she thought we might be in zone 1 or
8.

I will have to get somebody with good CV to come in and adjust my monitor.

Again thanks
AXO

wintering link to zones with names
 

"Janet & Hugh" wrote in
:

Nope.... he is indeed in zone 5 in Mississauga, ON which is in the
Greater Toronto area.
Janet in Niagara Falls, ON Z6b


Thank you, I thought I was. However, I could not find a reference that was
not graphic. My wife took a look but she hates working with a computer and
was not certain that she had it right. As I am do not see colour as others
do my monitor is probably way off and she thought we might be in zone 1 or
8.

I will have to get somebody with good CV to come in and adjust my monitor.

Again thanks
AXO

wintering link to zones with names
 

Do you suffer any losses, and is your filtration running?
How big CC's is the airpump?
....Kodiak

"dhponder" wrote in message
...
I am in S.E. Idaho/zone4 and have overwintered Koi and Goldfish
successfully for three winters, in a 1600 gallon, 2 1/2 ft. deep pond,
using two airstones 3 or 4" below the surface. I have a large, clay
chimney tile on the bottom for a winter home, but have no idea if they
use it.

deanna

Kodiak wrote:
Would it be unreasonable to have a pond in Zone 4a or 4b
and expect fish to survive in winter? I live in Montreal Canada,
my feeling is I need a pond at least 4ft deep. Is there info or a table
that
suggests what depth your pond should be depending on the zone your in?
...Kodiak


"Mickey" wrote in message
...
If you are talking Canada you are closer to a zone 2. Zone 5 is going
through the center of the USA. Here is a link with a few names for
reference

http://www.usna.usda.gov/Hardzone/hrdzon3.html

"Axolotl" wrote in message
. 130...
ESPMER (K30a) wrote in
:

Scott wrote Should I disconnect my filter for the winter, or keep
it
running?
I was
planning to keep it, until I read the statement above.

You'll find a lot of people do different things ;-)

The bio bugs won't be 'working' in cold water and the fish won't be
producing much, if any, waste so there is no need to filter a
winter
pond. Everybody kind of goes into a stupor for the winter.

Keeping water running, as in a waterfall or fountain, can sometimes
be
dicey. If things start to freeze sometimes the water can freeze in
such a way as to direct water away from the pond. More so in a
waterfall than a fountain.

Another theory to keep the pump off is that the water movement from
the pump to the fountain or waterfall, there and back again, is
making
a current for the fish to swim against when they'd rather just lay
there, slowly finning their fins. Water movement makes them work
harder and use up energy they'd rather put to keeping some weight
on
them over the winter.

But, all that said, there are rec.ponders who keep their pump
running
and their waterfall going all winter. And all goes well, no
problems.

Hi there, nice to see you back K30a.

I am not sure what zone I am in, Colour coded maps are not much use
to
somebody whose colour blind. I am in Mississauga, just west of
Toronto,
so I think I am in zone 5 (5a). In the past I have disconnected from
the
waterfalls and redirected the flow to a standpipe over the pond, this
keeps an opening in the ice, adds oxygen and provides the local
wildlife
a source of water in the winter.
However, I wonder if this is the best approach, I keep seeing people
recommending a bubbler, I tried this one winter but the air pump died
within 2 weeks. What depth should the air-stone be set to?

TIA
AXO

wintering link to zones with names
 

Do you suffer any losses, and is your filtration running?
How big CC's is the airpump?
....Kodiak

"dhponder" wrote in message
...
I am in S.E. Idaho/zone4 and have overwintered Koi and Goldfish
successfully for three winters, in a 1600 gallon, 2 1/2 ft. deep pond,
using two airstones 3 or 4" below the surface. I have a large, clay
chimney tile on the bottom for a winter home, but have no idea if they
use it.

deanna

Kodiak wrote:
Would it be unreasonable to have a pond in Zone 4a or 4b
and expect fish to survive in winter? I live in Montreal Canada,
my feeling is I need a pond at least 4ft deep. Is there info or a table
that
suggests what depth your pond should be depending on the zone your in?
...Kodiak


"Mickey" wrote in message
...
If you are talking Canada you are closer to a zone 2. Zone 5 is going
through the center of the USA. Here is a link with a few names for
reference

http://www.usna.usda.gov/Hardzone/hrdzon3.html

"Axolotl" wrote in message
. 130...
ESPMER (K30a) wrote in
:

Scott wrote Should I disconnect my filter for the winter, or keep
it
running?
I was
planning to keep it, until I read the statement above.

You'll find a lot of people do different things ;-)

The bio bugs won't be 'working' in cold water and the fish won't be
producing much, if any, waste so there is no need to filter a
winter
pond. Everybody kind of goes into a stupor for the winter.

Keeping water running, as in a waterfall or fountain, can sometimes
be
dicey. If things start to freeze sometimes the water can freeze in
such a way as to direct water away from the pond. More so in a
waterfall than a fountain.

Another theory to keep the pump off is that the water movement from
the pump to the fountain or waterfall, there and back again, is
making
a current for the fish to swim against when they'd rather just lay
there, slowly finning their fins. Water movement makes them work
harder and use up energy they'd rather put to keeping some weight
on
them over the winter.

But, all that said, there are rec.ponders who keep their pump
running
and their waterfall going all winter. And all goes well, no
problems.

Hi there, nice to see you back K30a.

I am not sure what zone I am in, Colour coded maps are not much use
to
somebody whose colour blind. I am in Mississauga, just west of
Toronto,
so I think I am in zone 5 (5a). In the past I have disconnected from
the
waterfalls and redirected the flow to a standpipe over the pond, this
keeps an opening in the ice, adds oxygen and provides the local
wildlife
a source of water in the winter.
However, I wonder if this is the best approach, I keep seeing people
recommending a bubbler, I tried this one winter but the air pump died
within 2 weeks. What depth should the air-stone be set to?

TIA
AXO

wintering link to zones with names
 

Quite a bit warmer in Niagara than Montreal though...
But someone in SE Idaho Zone 4 says yes with only 2.5ft deep.
Hard to believe... I'm still not convinced...
....Kodiak.

"Janet & Hugh" wrote in message
...
Kodiak you can indded overwinter fish. We have been doing it in zone 6b in
2.5 feet of water by keeping a hole in the ice. I would think you can do
it
in less than 4 feet of water as long as you keep a hole in the ice for
gasses to escape. :o)
Janet in Niagara Falls, ON


"Kodiak" wrote in message
...
Would it be unreasonable to have a pond in Zone 4a or 4b
and expect fish to survive in winter? I live in Montreal Canada,
my feeling is I need a pond at least 4ft deep. Is there info or a table
that
suggests what depth your pond should be depending on the zone your in?
...Kodiak


"Mickey" wrote in message
...
If you are talking Canada you are closer to a zone 2. Zone 5 is going
through the center of the USA. Here is a link with a few names for
reference

http://www.usna.usda.gov/Hardzone/hrdzon3.html

"Axolotl" wrote in message
. 130...
ESPMER (K30a) wrote in
:

Scott wrote Should I disconnect my filter for the winter, or
keep
it
running?
I was
planning to keep it, until I read the statement above.

You'll find a lot of people do different things ;-)

The bio bugs won't be 'working' in cold water and the fish won't
be
producing much, if any, waste so there is no need to filter a
winter
pond. Everybody kind of goes into a stupor for the winter.

Keeping water running, as in a waterfall or fountain, can
sometimes
be
dicey. If things start to freeze sometimes the water can freeze in
such a way as to direct water away from the pond. More so in a
waterfall than a fountain.

Another theory to keep the pump off is that the water movement
from
the pump to the fountain or waterfall, there and back again, is
making
a current for the fish to swim against when they'd rather just lay
there, slowly finning their fins. Water movement makes them work
harder and use up energy they'd rather put to keeping some weight
on
them over the winter.

But, all that said, there are rec.ponders who keep their pump
running
and their waterfall going all winter. And all goes well, no
problems.

Hi there, nice to see you back K30a.

I am not sure what zone I am in, Colour coded maps are not much use
to
somebody whose colour blind. I am in Mississauga, just west of
Toronto,
so I think I am in zone 5 (5a). In the past I have disconnected from
the
waterfalls and redirected the flow to a standpipe over the pond,
this
keeps an opening in the ice, adds oxygen and provides the local
wildlife
a source of water in the winter.
However, I wonder if this is the best approach, I keep seeing people
recommending a bubbler, I tried this one winter but the air pump
died
within 2 weeks. What depth should the air-stone be set to?

TIA
AXO







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wintering link to zones with names
 

Quite a bit warmer in Niagara than Montreal though...
But someone in SE Idaho Zone 4 says yes with only 2.5ft deep.
Hard to believe... I'm still not convinced...
....Kodiak.

"Janet & Hugh" wrote in message
...
Kodiak you can indded overwinter fish. We have been doing it in zone 6b in
2.5 feet of water by keeping a hole in the ice. I would think you can do
it
in less than 4 feet of water as long as you keep a hole in the ice for
gasses to escape. :o)
Janet in Niagara Falls, ON


"Kodiak" wrote in message
...
Would it be unreasonable to have a pond in Zone 4a or 4b
and expect fish to survive in winter? I live in Montreal Canada,
my feeling is I need a pond at least 4ft deep. Is there info or a table
that
suggests what depth your pond should be depending on the zone your in?
...Kodiak


"Mickey" wrote in message
...
If you are talking Canada you are closer to a zone 2. Zone 5 is going
through the center of the USA. Here is a link with a few names for
reference

http://www.usna.usda.gov/Hardzone/hrdzon3.html

"Axolotl" wrote in message
. 130...
ESPMER (K30a) wrote in
:

Scott wrote Should I disconnect my filter for the winter, or
keep
it
running?
I was
planning to keep it, until I read the statement above.

You'll find a lot of people do different things ;-)

The bio bugs won't be 'working' in cold water and the fish won't
be
producing much, if any, waste so there is no need to filter a
winter
pond. Everybody kind of goes into a stupor for the winter.

Keeping water running, as in a waterfall or fountain, can
sometimes
be
dicey. If things start to freeze sometimes the water can freeze in
such a way as to direct water away from the pond. More so in a
waterfall than a fountain.

Another theory to keep the pump off is that the water movement
from
the pump to the fountain or waterfall, there and back again, is
making
a current for the fish to swim against when they'd rather just lay
there, slowly finning their fins. Water movement makes them work
harder and use up energy they'd rather put to keeping some weight
on
them over the winter.

But, all that said, there are rec.ponders who keep their pump
running
and their waterfall going all winter. And all goes well, no
problems.

Hi there, nice to see you back K30a.

I am not sure what zone I am in, Colour coded maps are not much use
to
somebody whose colour blind. I am in Mississauga, just west of
Toronto,
so I think I am in zone 5 (5a). In the past I have disconnected from
the
waterfalls and redirected the flow to a standpipe over the pond,
this
keeps an opening in the ice, adds oxygen and provides the local
wildlife
a source of water in the winter.
However, I wonder if this is the best approach, I keep seeing people
recommending a bubbler, I tried this one winter but the air pump
died
within 2 weeks. What depth should the air-stone be set to?

TIA
AXO







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wintering link to zones with names
 

No losses at all. Waterfall and filters are both turned off and the
airpump is just a standard acquarium, 2-outlet airpump. I put it into a
plastic container with holes drilled for the 2 air hoses and a notch for
the electric cord. Placed close to and about 1 foot above the pond.

deanna

Kodiak wrote:
Do you suffer any losses, and is your filtration running?
How big CC's is the airpump?
...Kodiak

"dhponder" wrote in message
...
I am in S.E. Idaho/zone4 and have overwintered Koi and Goldfish
successfully for three winters, in a 1600 gallon, 2 1/2 ft. deep pond,
using two airstones 3 or 4" below the surface. I have a large, clay
chimney tile on the bottom for a winter home, but have no idea if they
use it.

deanna

Kodiak wrote:
Would it be unreasonable to have a pond in Zone 4a or 4b
and expect fish to survive in winter? I live in Montreal Canada,
my feeling is I need a pond at least 4ft deep. Is there info or a table
that
suggests what depth your pond should be depending on the zone your in?
...Kodiak


"Mickey" wrote in message
...
If you are talking Canada you are closer to a zone 2. Zone 5 is going
through the center of the USA. Here is a link with a few names for
reference

http://www.usna.usda.gov/Hardzone/hrdzon3.html

"Axolotl" wrote in message
. 130...
ESPMER (K30a) wrote in
:

Scott wrote Should I disconnect my filter for the winter, or keep
it
running?
I was
planning to keep it, until I read the statement above.

You'll find a lot of people do different things ;-)

The bio bugs won't be 'working' in cold water and the fish won't be
producing much, if any, waste so there is no need to filter a
winter
pond. Everybody kind of goes into a stupor for the winter.

Keeping water running, as in a waterfall or fountain, can sometimes
be
dicey. If things start to freeze sometimes the water can freeze in
such a way as to direct water away from the pond. More so in a
waterfall than a fountain.

Another theory to keep the pump off is that the water movement from
the pump to the fountain or waterfall, there and back again, is
making
a current for the fish to swim against when they'd rather just lay
there, slowly finning their fins. Water movement makes them work
harder and use up energy they'd rather put to keeping some weight
on
them over the winter.

But, all that said, there are rec.ponders who keep their pump
running
and their waterfall going all winter. And all goes well, no
problems.

Hi there, nice to see you back K30a.

I am not sure what zone I am in, Colour coded maps are not much use
to
somebody whose colour blind. I am in Mississauga, just west of
Toronto,
so I think I am in zone 5 (5a). In the past I have disconnected from
the
waterfalls and redirected the flow to a standpipe over the pond, this
keeps an opening in the ice, adds oxygen and provides the local
wildlife
a source of water in the winter.
However, I wonder if this is the best approach, I keep seeing people
recommending a bubbler, I tried this one winter but the air pump died
within 2 weeks. What depth should the air-stone be set to?

TIA
AXO

wintering link to zones with names
 

No losses at all. Waterfall and filters are both turned off and the
airpump is just a standard acquarium, 2-outlet airpump. I put it into a
plastic container with holes drilled for the 2 air hoses and a notch for
the electric cord. Placed close to and about 1 foot above the pond.

deanna

Kodiak wrote:
Do you suffer any losses, and is your filtration running?
How big CC's is the airpump?
...Kodiak

"dhponder" wrote in message
...
I am in S.E. Idaho/zone4 and have overwintered Koi and Goldfish
successfully for three winters, in a 1600 gallon, 2 1/2 ft. deep pond,
using two airstones 3 or 4" below the surface. I have a large, clay
chimney tile on the bottom for a winter home, but have no idea if they
use it.

deanna

Kodiak wrote:
Would it be unreasonable to have a pond in Zone 4a or 4b
and expect fish to survive in winter? I live in Montreal Canada,
my feeling is I need a pond at least 4ft deep. Is there info or a table
that
suggests what depth your pond should be depending on the zone your in?
...Kodiak


"Mickey" wrote in message
...
If you are talking Canada you are closer to a zone 2. Zone 5 is going
through the center of the USA. Here is a link with a few names for
reference

http://www.usna.usda.gov/Hardzone/hrdzon3.html

"Axolotl" wrote in message
. 130...
ESPMER (K30a) wrote in
:

Scott wrote Should I disconnect my filter for the winter, or keep
it
running?
I was
planning to keep it, until I read the statement above.

You'll find a lot of people do different things ;-)

The bio bugs won't be 'working' in cold water and the fish won't be
producing much, if any, waste so there is no need to filter a
winter
pond. Everybody kind of goes into a stupor for the winter.

Keeping water running, as in a waterfall or fountain, can sometimes
be
dicey. If things start to freeze sometimes the water can freeze in
such a way as to direct water away from the pond. More so in a
waterfall than a fountain.

Another theory to keep the pump off is that the water movement from
the pump to the fountain or waterfall, there and back again, is
making
a current for the fish to swim against when they'd rather just lay
there, slowly finning their fins. Water movement makes them work
harder and use up energy they'd rather put to keeping some weight
on
them over the winter.

But, all that said, there are rec.ponders who keep their pump
running
and their waterfall going all winter. And all goes well, no
problems.

Hi there, nice to see you back K30a.

I am not sure what zone I am in, Colour coded maps are not much use
to
somebody whose colour blind. I am in Mississauga, just west of
Toronto,
so I think I am in zone 5 (5a). In the past I have disconnected from
the
waterfalls and redirected the flow to a standpipe over the pond, this
keeps an opening in the ice, adds oxygen and provides the local
wildlife
a source of water in the winter.
However, I wonder if this is the best approach, I keep seeing people
recommending a bubbler, I tried this one winter but the air pump died
within 2 weeks. What depth should the air-stone be set to?

TIA
AXO

wintering
 

See http://userpages.umbc.edu/~rrhudy1/winter.htm

(I will be moving my entire site hopefully by 10/4/03 to
http://www.fishpondinfo.com so this URL will move).

On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, Thenewguy wrote:

hey...im totally new at this...this will be my 1st winter (when it comes)
with having my pond. What do i do with my plants? and fish?? the pond is 2
feet deep and i live in ny where it can be any where from 20 degrees to -5
at night.....what do i do when the time comes???





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