Yellow/green hyacinths: Some improvement
 

We will watch with interest as time goes on. In previous years, the wh ahve
thrived....short roots and all. We are hard pressed to understand this
year. We have a 4 x 8 vf of wh and a 5 x 8 pond leg covered with them, so
we are not talking a very small sample. They did well until about the start
of June...then lightening and yellowing. Tomorrow, ph measure.

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"GD" wrote in message
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pH in the range of 8 is likely tough for waterhyacinth with damaged
roots. When existing roots are in contact with or close to bottom
substrates, including unfiltered mulm, the plants usually fare better
(decomposition generally lowers pH locally). I'd expect improvement
in the laundry basket plant due to fertilization and root protection.


"Jim and Phyllis Hurley" wrote:

Thanks, GD, for the ph information.

Does that mean the ph will be low enough for the hyacinths?

I will check it tomorrow when I bring my kit back from my office.

I looked at the hyacinths in the pond: very few roots...koi food.

The ones on the berm have good root systems...and are greening up faster
than the ones in the pond. Maybe we are looking at iron uptake.

Just for comparison, I put one hyacinth in a laundry basket floating in
the
pond and added some tomato fertilizer (low nitrogen). We shall see how
that
works. I suspect it will take well to the food!

We have not had any greening problems in years past. The wh has been
dark
green all the time.

Jim

Yellow/green hyacinths: Some improvement
 

Hiya Jim,

Guess you missed my posts this spring regarding WH and pH? My experience
has been they do poorly when the pH goes over 8.5. Add a little salt to an
over 8 pH and I think it makes it even tougher on them.

Anyway, regarding the ones you're pulling out with little roots on them? I
wouldn't put them in with fertilizer, put plain tab water. Nitrates retard
new root growth (found this out from an experiment my son & I did for his
science class, tap water versus pond water and plant cuttings) had to
consult with the local extension agent of what was going on. My own
experiments this spring on the sickly pH stressed WH, the ones I put in
unfertilized containers came back, the ones put in containers with MirAcid,
turned to mush. ~ jan

See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 02:50:07 GMT, GD wrote:

pH in the range of 8 is likely tough for waterhyacinth with damaged
roots. When existing roots are in contact with or close to bottom
substrates, including unfiltered mulm, the plants usually fare better
(decomposition generally lowers pH locally). I'd expect improvement
in the laundry basket plant due to fertilization and root protection.


"Jim and Phyllis Hurley" wrote:

Thanks, GD, for the ph information.

Does that mean the ph will be low enough for the hyacinths?

I will check it tomorrow when I bring my kit back from my office.

I looked at the hyacinths in the pond: very few roots...koi food.

The ones on the berm have good root systems...and are greening up faster
than the ones in the pond. Maybe we are looking at iron uptake.

Just for comparison, I put one hyacinth in a laundry basket floating in the
pond and added some tomato fertilizer (low nitrogen). We shall see how that
works. I suspect it will take well to the food!

We have not had any greening problems in years past. The wh has been dark
green all the time.

Jim

Yellow/green hyacinths: Some improvement
 

Jan,

Thanks for the suggestions.

I will give that a try. One new container with tap water coming up!

The ones on the berm are progressively darkening.

Jim

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"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message
...
Hiya Jim,

Guess you missed my posts this spring regarding WH and pH? My experience
has been they do poorly when the pH goes over 8.5. Add a little salt to an
over 8 pH and I think it makes it even tougher on them.

Anyway, regarding the ones you're pulling out with little roots on them? I
wouldn't put them in with fertilizer, put plain tab water. Nitrates retard
new root growth (found this out from an experiment my son & I did for his
science class, tap water versus pond water and plant cuttings) had to
consult with the local extension agent of what was going on. My own
experiments this spring on the sickly pH stressed WH, the ones I put in
unfertilized containers came back, the ones put in containers with
MirAcid,
turned to mush. ~ jan

See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 02:50:07 GMT, GD wrote:

pH in the range of 8 is likely tough for waterhyacinth with damaged
roots. When existing roots are in contact with or close to bottom
substrates, including unfiltered mulm, the plants usually fare better
(decomposition generally lowers pH locally). I'd expect improvement
in the laundry basket plant due to fertilization and root protection.


"Jim and Phyllis Hurley" wrote:

Thanks, GD, for the ph information.

Does that mean the ph will be low enough for the hyacinths?

I will check it tomorrow when I bring my kit back from my office.

I looked at the hyacinths in the pond: very few roots...koi food.

The ones on the berm have good root systems...and are greening up faster
than the ones in the pond. Maybe we are looking at iron uptake.

Just for comparison, I put one hyacinth in a laundry basket floating in
the
pond and added some tomato fertilizer (low nitrogen). We shall see how
that
works. I suspect it will take well to the food!

We have not had any greening problems in years past. The wh has been
dark
green all the time.

Jim

Yellow/green hyacinths: What is going on?
 

Has anyone seen a difference adding koi clay?
"Jim and Phyllis Hurley" wrote in message
...
Hitherto, we have cheerfully offered our suggestions to people with yellow
plants. Now...

Why are our hyacinths yellow/green? We are open to suggestions.

Our hyacinths are looking yellow/green instead of their usual dark green
and
they are not reproducing at their usual frantic rate.

The Ph, etc seems quite normal.

We have also had some plaster of paris dissolving to buffer.

We have tried adding potash (1 tbs/1000 gal) for the last 2 weeks without
any noticeable result.

We figured the fish would provide quite enough waste to nitrogenize the
plants.

Is it conceivable the plants are ahead of the fish for nitrogen?

We will pull a couple of hyacinths and put them in their own tub, with a
bit
of fertilizer. If they green....

Any suggestions?

Jim

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Yellow/green hyacinths: What is going on?
 

Has anyone seen a difference adding koi clay?
"Jim and Phyllis Hurley" wrote in message
...
Hitherto, we have cheerfully offered our suggestions to people with yellow
plants. Now...

Why are our hyacinths yellow/green? We are open to suggestions.

Our hyacinths are looking yellow/green instead of their usual dark green
and
they are not reproducing at their usual frantic rate.

The Ph, etc seems quite normal.

We have also had some plaster of paris dissolving to buffer.

We have tried adding potash (1 tbs/1000 gal) for the last 2 weeks without
any noticeable result.

We figured the fish would provide quite enough waste to nitrogenize the
plants.

Is it conceivable the plants are ahead of the fish for nitrogen?

We will pull a couple of hyacinths and put them in their own tub, with a
bit
of fertilizer. If they green....

Any suggestions?

Jim

--
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Yellow/green hyacinths: What is going on?
 

noahsnana wrote:

Has anyone seen a difference adding koi clay?

I added Koi clay to clear the brown water in the 500 gal.(remaining dead
algae after running the UV for the last month). and the WH in that pond
seem to be the worst looking of the 3 ponds.

Unknown if any one thing is a contributing factor.

500 gal ammonia, NitrItes 2ppm
Ph 7.8
NitrAtes 80-100
3 butterfly koi, 2 shubunkins, 1 Chagoi
1500 GPH pump
3 doses of potash 1/4 cup every 2 weeks
1 cup a month Baking soda
WH in veggie filter Green w/a little yellow
W Lettuce So...So...old plants ugly; new plants loooooking good
Pickel Rush and Black Taro growing well
Canna starting to take off... tubers just planted 3 weeks ago
No Azolla or duckweed
Anacharis amount?

100 gal ammonia, NitrItes 2ppm
Ph 7.6
NitrAtes 100-120
20 GF and Rosie reds
210 GPH pump
3 doses of potash 1TBSP every 2 weeks
1/4 cup a month Baking soda
some Azolla and duckweed in VF
Anacharis amount?
mossey waterfall

250 gal ammonia, NitrItes 2ppm
Ph 7.6
NitrAtes 100-120
35 shinner minnows and 6 GF
500 GPH
just setup 3 weeks ago with 150 gal. water from 500 gal pond and 100 gal
tap water
no additional potash or Baking Soda
Anacharis amount?
mossey waterfall
WH in pond Greening nicely
W Lettuce old plants ugly; new plants loooooking good also.
a little Azolla and Duckweed last week and now 6 days later the whole
4' X 6' surface is covered.

*Ding. Ding. Ding. Come and get it.*
*Azolla Snacks are now being served in the "Pondateria"*
As my Italian side might say *Anzolies* (akin to Canolies)

last year my NitrAtes were 250+ and my WH grew 18" tall and 20" in dia

/\/\ike
Chagoi
http://ourkoipond.com



"Jim and Phyllis Hurley" wrote in message
...

Hitherto, we have cheerfully offered our suggestions to people with yellow
plants. Now...

Why are our hyacinths yellow/green? We are open to suggestions.

Our hyacinths are looking yellow/green instead of their usual dark green

Yellow/green hyacinths: What is going on?
 

noahsnana wrote:

Has anyone seen a difference adding koi clay?

I added Koi clay to clear the brown water in the 500 gal.(remaining dead
algae after running the UV for the last month). and the WH in that pond
seem to be the worst looking of the 3 ponds.

Unknown if any one thing is a contributing factor.

500 gal ammonia, NitrItes 2ppm
Ph 7.8
NitrAtes 80-100
3 butterfly koi, 2 shubunkins, 1 Chagoi
1500 GPH pump
3 doses of potash 1/4 cup every 2 weeks
1 cup a month Baking soda
WH in veggie filter Green w/a little yellow
W Lettuce So...So...old plants ugly; new plants loooooking good
Pickel Rush and Black Taro growing well
Canna starting to take off... tubers just planted 3 weeks ago
No Azolla or duckweed
Anacharis amount?

100 gal ammonia, NitrItes 2ppm
Ph 7.6
NitrAtes 100-120
20 GF and Rosie reds
210 GPH pump
3 doses of potash 1TBSP every 2 weeks
1/4 cup a month Baking soda
some Azolla and duckweed in VF
Anacharis amount?
mossey waterfall

250 gal ammonia, NitrItes 2ppm
Ph 7.6
NitrAtes 100-120
35 shinner minnows and 6 GF
500 GPH
just setup 3 weeks ago with 150 gal. water from 500 gal pond and 100 gal
tap water
no additional potash or Baking Soda
Anacharis amount?
mossey waterfall
WH in pond Greening nicely
W Lettuce old plants ugly; new plants loooooking good also.
a little Azolla and Duckweed last week and now 6 days later the whole
4' X 6' surface is covered.

*Ding. Ding. Ding. Come and get it.*
*Azolla Snacks are now being served in the "Pondateria"*
As my Italian side might say *Anzolies* (akin to Canolies)

last year my NitrAtes were 250+ and my WH grew 18" tall and 20" in dia

/\/\ike
Chagoi
http://ourkoipond.com



"Jim and Phyllis Hurley" wrote in message
...

Hitherto, we have cheerfully offered our suggestions to people with yellow
plants. Now...

Why are our hyacinths yellow/green? We are open to suggestions.

Our hyacinths are looking yellow/green instead of their usual dark green

Yellow/green hyacinths: Some improvement
 

"Jim and Phyllis Hurley" wrote in message
...
Jan,

Thanks for the suggestions.

I will give that a try. One new container with tap water coming up!

The ones on the berm are progressively darkening.

Jim, you and Phyllis have a pretty seriously stocked VF, could you simply be
starving the plants? BTW, the PF you sent me, is taking over the VF.
Literally TAKING OVER. It looks awesome.

BV.

Yellow/green hyacinths: Some improvement
 

"Jim and Phyllis Hurley" wrote in message
...
Jan,

Thanks for the suggestions.

I will give that a try. One new container with tap water coming up!

The ones on the berm are progressively darkening.

Jim, you and Phyllis have a pretty seriously stocked VF, could you simply be
starving the plants? BTW, the PF you sent me, is taking over the VF.
Literally TAKING OVER. It looks awesome.

BV.

Yellow/green hyacinths: Some improvement
 

Hi BV,

We wondered if that could be the case...however, we keep feeding the koi and
goldfish and it seems unlikely they would starve with respect to koi waste
food. HOWEVER, the iron has made a difference.

The berm WH are returning to their dark green selves and have begun to
send out daughter plants...normally this happens at a wild rate. With the
yellowing, it essentially stopped.

The (munched-root) WH in the pond are a LOT behind, but some are getting
green streaks in the leaves...a first step.

The munched ones we floated in the tomato fertilizer (low nitrogen) are
slowly greening, about like the ones in the pond.

I infer the yellowing problem was indeed iron as that alone has changed the
WH in the berm. I infer the secondary problem for the pond WH is eaten
roots.

With respect to starving, I infer we did starve them of iron. Regular
potash additions seem to have handled that aspect of things.

Thanks for wrestling with our problem with us.

I am delighted that the pf is doing well for you. Until the yellowing, I
used to cut over a foot a week from the pf in ur u-shaped falls and the two
barrels with it on top.

Jim

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"Benign Vanilla" wrote in message
...

"Jim and Phyllis Hurley" wrote in message
...
Jan,

Thanks for the suggestions.

I will give that a try. One new container with tap water coming up!

The ones on the berm are progressively darkening.

Jim, you and Phyllis have a pretty seriously stocked VF, could you simply
be
starving the plants? BTW, the PF you sent me, is taking over the VF.
Literally TAKING OVER. It looks awesome.

BV.