Jan, this is the place I have dreamed about for my cats! Only thing is -
I live alone without a DH or a son to build it. And my health has gone to
Hell in a handbasket soooo.
Anyway, I read in another thread where
your DH designed your DYI (!) filter and your son built it.... Lucky
gal you are, Jan. So I can imagine you'd have such a "yard" for the cats.

Nedra

"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message
...
I'm being completely serious, I'm sure that you look after your kitties
as
best you can and in your eyes keeping them inside is fine. I just can't
bring myself to do this, I find it cruel and unreasonable (this is IMHO,
I'm
not attacking you personally) to keep 2 cats inside every day. Flowers in
the Attic by Julie Andrews comes to mind........my cats NEED the good old
South African sunshine :) I'll let you know how it goes, and thanks alot
for
your concern ;)

The coolest thing I ever saw for having the both of best worlds was an
enclosed play yard for cats. These people had made an outside room for
their cats, 2 stories high, enclosed around a tree, with lots of toys and
claw trees, kitty boxes, etc. Roofed to keep the weather off, lattice on
the real sunny sides. Best of all, the kitty box could be outside. They
just opened a window for the kitties to have open access during the day.
Sure is something I'd highly consider if we ever get a cat or two again
(or
should I say can afford?) ;o) ~ jan


~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

Hobo The Fearless likes this one rock in my rockwall out front. It is bowl
shaped and cat sized and perfect for cat back scratching and he loves to roll
around in it. When I come home he will be laying in it presented like dish of
cat.


kathy :-)
zone 7, SE WA state

wrote in message
...
dont let your cats outside. there isnt any vaccine for Feline AIDS. your
cat is a
threat to birds in the sanctuary. Ingrid
snip

Ingrid, actually there is now! We just spoke to our vet last month about
this, after a family member's cat died of feline AIDS. We chose not to get
the vaccine, as the vet informed us it is usually younger cats that fall
prey to this disease, and our cat is no longer young.

BV.

LOL .. Hobo The Fearless sounds like a soo neato cat!! We used to have a
cat
neighborhood - I don't know what has happened to all the kitties. My guys
would
sit at the screen door in front and pass the time of day with numerous cats
who would come
up to the door and just sit around on the porch.... visiting.
Doesn't happen anymore .... wonder why. I know our road has become a
speed-way ... but I haven't seen any unfortunates on the road .... dunnno.

Nedra

"Ka30P" wrote in message
...
Hobo The Fearless likes this one rock in my rockwall out front. It is bowl
shaped and cat sized and perfect for cat back scratching and he loves to
roll
around in it. When I come home he will be laying in it presented like dish
of
cat.


kathy :-)
zone 7, SE WA state

"Derek Broughton" wrote in message
...

Awful as it is when it happens to your pet, it's not as if they were
actually trying to kill your cat. I'd even say that its a case of the pot
calling the kettle black if you let your cat roam loose in a bird
sanctuary
and then get upset that people snare birds there. Here in Canada, the
single thing most threatening songbirds is roaming house cats. Are Guinea
fowl even native? If not, you could even say that people catching them
were doing a service - if they could guarantee not to kill anything else.

Derek, yes, I absolutely agree with you, you make many valid points. Here in
South Africa in the 'gardening scene' cats are a mighty contentious issue.
In some of the local gardening magazines ppl have even gone as far to label
cats as 'serial killers', a tad heavy but their view nonetheless. You either
LOVE cats or hate them, no grey areas there.

Derek, this is a third world country, and although we don't have Lions and
Giraffes roaming our back gardens (as many foreigners think) its pretty damn
wild here in Africa, who's to say that they WERE'NT hunting for cats?
Possibly they were, you never know. You have to see it to believe it!


It's a bird sanctuary. There's no way she's learned a lesson that would
teach her to "stay out". She is, though, a cat. She might be less likely
to be snared. The only way to keep a cat safe, is to keep it indoors.
--
derek

Indeed, Nedra's advice aswell. The GF and I have decided that the cats can
have the best of both worlds. They are free to roam during the day (when its
so hot they mostly laze around anyway, then at perhaps 6-7 o clock we will
lock them in for the night, this at least will give them some sort of outlet
to do their 'business' and at night when the hunter in them awakens they
will be indoors. Perhaps not the most perfect strategy but i just could'nt
keep them locked up all day long. Thanks for your insightful comments. May
you have a well deserved weekend. :)
--
**So long, and thanks for all the fish!**

Happy'Cam'per wrote:

They are free to roam during the day (when
its so hot they mostly laze around anyway,

LOL. They're just little tiny lions :-)

then at perhaps 6-7 o clock we
will lock them in for the night, this at least will give them some sort of
outlet to do their 'business' and at night when the hunter in them awakens
they will be indoors. Perhaps not the most perfect strategy but i just
could'nt keep them locked up all day long. Thanks for your insightful
comments. May you have a well deserved weekend. :)

To be fair to you, I never kept my one and only cat indoors, either (though,
in a Canadian winter, you couldn't _make_ her go outside). She didn't, to
my knowledge, catch birds, but she loved to catch moles - which made her
quite popular with the local gardeners.
--
derek

"Derek Broughton" wrote in message
...
To be fair to you, I never kept my one and only cat indoors, either
(though,
in a Canadian winter, you couldn't _make_ her go outside). She didn't, to
my knowledge, catch birds, but she loved to catch moles - which made her
quite popular with the local gardeners.
--

:)....Cats....gotta love em!
--
**So long, and thanks for all the fish!**

"Happy'Cam'per" wrote in message
...
snip
Derek, yes, I absolutely agree with you, you make many valid points. Here
in
South Africa in the 'gardening scene' cats are a mighty contentious issue.
In some of the local gardening magazines ppl have even gone as far to
label
cats as 'serial killers', a tad heavy but their view nonetheless. You
either
LOVE cats or hate them, no grey areas there.

Derek, this is a third world country, and although we don't have Lions and
Giraffes roaming our back gardens (as many foreigners think) its pretty
damn
wild here in Africa, who's to say that they WERE'NT hunting for cats?
Possibly they were, you never know. You have to see it to believe it!
snip

Years ago, in the U.S., many laws were passed to curb dogs, as dogs roaming
around neighborhoods became dangerous to people. I recently heard a news
story on the radio that said, many counties are talking about putting laws
into place for feral cats, because the population of small critters is being
devastated by domesticated outdoor cats.

BV.

Happy'Cam'per wrote:

:)....Cats....gotta love em!

Well, er, no... I'm a dog person (two German Shorthaired Pointers and a
Miniature Schnauzer, these days). We had the cat because we had mice (and
dogs that would let the mice run all over them - literally). I'm not
convinced that she actually eliminated the mice, but she kept them out of
the kitchen and living room, which was good enough for me.
--
derek

im not completely serious ever ... but i think julie andrews was the
sound of music lady and v.c. andrews wrote flowers in the attic. my
sweet audrina etc... sorry i just couldnt resist