Amber Bohnett wrote:
I am a non-believer and I still think abortion is wrong,

And I think you're wrong. Do I get to force you to suffer and even
die in order to obey me?

so you see it is
not just a debate with religion.

It's ALWAYS about the arrogant belief that you're better than
everybody else.

When people do it because they feel that
they do not want to put up with raising a child or that they are not
prepared for it, they should not be allowed to destroy the life of another
human being to rid themselves of the responsibility that they themselves
caused to happen.

And why are YOU allowed to "destroy" human lives? Why are YOU allowed
to sit on your ass and let children die?

--
Ray Fischer

"Charles & Mambo Duckman" wrote in message
...
Amber Bohnett wrote:

I am a non-believer and I still think abortion is wrong, so you see it
is
not just a debate with religion. When people do it because they feel
that
they do not want to put up with raising a child or that they are not
prepared for it, they should not be allowed to destroy the life of
another
human being to rid themselves of the responsibility that they themselves
caused to happen.
[snip bullcrap]
In some cases abortion
could be considered necessary, such as rape(how many women would want
that
permanent attachent to their attacker which they did nothing to
provoke?),
incest(for the risk of mental problems and physical deformities), or
possibly losing your own life carrying or delivering your child(what can
you
do for your child if you are dead?). I feel these are the ONLY
exceptions
doctors should allow for abortions to be carried out.

How so? First you claim that abortion is "destroying the life of another
human being", then you proceed to claim with a straight face that it is
perfectly acceptable to destroy the "life of another human being" if his
father happens to be a rapist. Doesn't that strike you as a little
hypocritical?

Not in the least bit. I case you didn't notice the point I argue is that
pregnant mothers should be taking responsibility for the actions they CHOSE
to take. Rape is NOT a choice but rather a disgusting act forced on a woman
by her attacker. Therefore she should not be forced to carry the burden of
what has happened to her as a result of her rape unless she chooses to which
would take one hell of a strong woman to do and I am in no way saying that
these women SHOULD abort their children,but should be some of the very few
who should be allowed to have that choice.


All other reasons for
abortions, whether it be one night stands or sex with a serious
partner,
that you do not want to accept responsibility for because you are too
damn
lazy or selfish, deserve no less than utter rejection.

So don't do it. No one is forcing you to abort if you don't want to.
However, you can't have it both ways - protect the "life of another human
being" when it suits your parochial definition of the day, then "destroy"
it
when you happen to feel like it.

Again I see we weren't paying attention. Linking abortions again to
religion...I do not hold what you refer to as a parochial definition of
anything, but rather see things as a person who has a conscience. I see
nothing on here other than a bashing of religion as support of your
pro-choice beliefs leading me to think you are just using that as an excuse
to justify what is probably your own guilt over your own issues with
abortions. Let me guess, you just do not want to be seen as a bad person,
right? Not doing a very good job...



--
Come down off the cross
We can use the wood

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Amber Bohnett wrote:
"Charles & Mambo Duckman" wrote in message

How so? First you claim that abortion is "destroying the life of another
human being", then you proceed to claim with a straight face that it is
perfectly acceptable to destroy the "life of another human being" if his
father happens to be a rapist. Doesn't that strike you as a little hypocritical?

Not in the least bit. I case you didn't notice the point I argue is that
pregnant mothers should be taking responsibility for the actions they CHOSE
to take. Rape is NOT a choice but rather a disgusting act forced on a woman
by her attacker. Therefore she should not be forced to carry the burden of
what has happened to her as a result of her rape unless she chooses to which
would take one hell of a strong woman to do and I am in no way saying that
these women SHOULD abort their children,but should be some of the very few
who should be allowed to have that choice.

So your entire argument is that sex is a crime and motherhood is the
punishment.

A particularly perverse attitude. You hate other people having fun.

--
Ray Fischer

On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 04:47:21 GMT, "Amber Bohnett"
wrote:

[...]

Not in the least bit. I case you didn't notice the point I argue is that
pregnant mothers should be taking responsibility for the actions they CHOSE
to take. Rape is NOT a choice but rather a disgusting act forced on a woman
by her attacker. Therefore she should not be forced to carry the burden of
what has happened to her as a result of her rape unless she chooses to which
would take one hell of a strong woman to do

It takes a hell of a person to make the kind of choices some people
have to make with regards to pregnancy, regardless of the
circumstances surrounding the conception.

and I am in no way saying that
these women SHOULD abort their children,but should be some of the very few
who should be allowed to have that choice.

Tell me, "Amber" -- why do devalue childbirth as to use it as means to
punish sexually active woman?

[....]

Again I see we weren't paying attention. Linking abortions again to
religion...I do not hold what you refer to as a parochial definition of
anything, but rather see things as a person who has a conscience.

As a person with a conscience, you should know better than to thrust
"motherhood" upon anybody who doesn't want to become a mother or fofce
somebody to give up their babies.

I see
nothing on here other than a bashing of religion as support of your
pro-choice beliefs...

Oh, my bashing of your arrogance hasn't anything to do with my
Pro-Choice beliefs, but to tell you to ****-off where it concerns my
right to decide the course of my pregnancy. And religious hypocrites
can be pointed out -- that's my right to say.


leading me to think you are just using that as an excuse
to justify what is probably your own guilt over your own issues with
abortions.

From where did you infer this (alleged) guilt?

Let me guess, you just do not want to be seen as a bad person,
right? Not doing a very good job...

What makes them bad?

Amber Bohnett wrote:

How so? First you claim that abortion is "destroying the life of another
human being", then you proceed to claim with a straight face that it is
perfectly acceptable to destroy the "life of another human being" if his
father happens to be a rapist. Doesn't that strike you as a little
hypocritical?

Not in the least bit.

It was a rhetorical question. Of course no pro-lifer ever considers
him/herself a hypocrite.

I case you didn't notice the point I argue is that
pregnant mothers should be taking responsibility for the actions they CHOSE
to take. Rape is NOT a choice but rather a disgusting act forced on a woman
by her attacker. Therefore she should not be forced to carry the burden of
what has happened to her as a result of her rape unless she chooses to which
would take one hell of a strong woman to do and I am in no way saying that
these women SHOULD abort their children,but should be some of the very few
who should be allowed to have that choice.

I don't understand. You are saying that every abortion is a murder of a
human being, unless that human being happens to have a rapist for a father?
Then that makes it perfectly alright to "murder" the embryo, pardon me,
human. Well, can we extend that practice further? What if the raped woman
gives birth to the rapist's child? Can we murder the child when he's like
three years old? Why not?


Again I see we weren't paying attention. Linking abortions again to
religion...

What the hell are you talking about? Where did I ever mentioned anything
about religion in the previous post?

I do not hold what you refer to as a parochial definition of
anything, but rather see things as a person who has a conscience.

And every pro-choicer sees him/herself as a person who has a conscience,
too. What's your point and who died and made you a conscience police?

I see nothing on here other than a bashing of religion as support of your
pro-choice beliefs

Provide a quote from my previous post where I "bash religion" in any way.

leading me to think you are just using that as an excuse
to justify what is probably your own guilt over your own issues with
abortions.

Ah, another Internet psychologist. Keep your day job.

Let me guess, you just do not want to be seen as a bad person,
right? Not doing a very good job...

And **** you, too.


--
Come down off the cross
We can use the wood

Tom Waits, Come On Up To The House

"Somewriter" wrote in message
...
On 9 Jun 2005 23:42:50 -0000, er
(Kathy) wrote:



Why would any woman want to terminate the life of a human that is
developing within herself? The answer may not please those who favor
abortion. But the fact remains that selfishness...

I bet you had your children to satisfy some duty you have to your
deity.

Don't be so simplistic. Your probably a simplistic male that has no
appreciation of
female problems.

There are a number of valid reasons for an abortion. Abortions are the
result of UNWANTED
ACCIDENTAL pregnancies.

The carrying of a child to birth might aggravate an existing physical
problem and threaten
the women's health or life.

A 14 or 15 year old having a child seriously compromises the benefits of the
life of both
the mother and the child.

A women who does not want the responsibility of raising a child is likely to
seriously neglect
and fail to properly raise a child.

This is a women's critical personal decision that should not be made by
outsiders.

"Bill" writes:

"Somewriter" wrote in message
.. .
On 9 Jun 2005 23:42:50 -0000, er
(Kathy) wrote:

Why would any woman want to terminate the life of a human that is
developing within herself? The answer may not please those who favor
abortion. But the fact remains that selfishness...

I bet you had your children to satisfy some duty you have to your
deity.

Don't be so simplistic. Your probably a simplistic male that has no
appreciation of female problems.

Seeing as she's female and twice a mother, I hope you have bandages for those
feet of yours you just strafed. ;-)

There are a number of valid reasons for an abortion. Abortions are the result
of UNWANTED ACCIDENTAL pregnancies.

The carrying of a child to birth might aggravate an existing physical problem
and threaten the women's health or life.

A 14 or 15 year old having a child seriously compromises the benefits of the
life of both the mother and the child.

A women who does not want the responsibility of raising a child is likely to
seriously neglect and fail to properly raise a child.

This is a women's critical personal decision that should not be made by
outsiders.

No problems with any of that, but then, I've been pro-choice since a little
before RvW. We don't need itchy trigger fingers.

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