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Sorry for the confusion, folks. I had a brain-fart. My tank is 300
gal., not 600, as I said earlier. I got my stock tank at a Country General store. This is a chain of farm and ranch supply stores. I think they went out of business several years ago, but I'm sure other places, like Murdoch's, would carry the Rubbermaid tanks or could order what you want. I seem to recall hearing somewhere that Rubbermaid did make a larger tank, but I'm not sure about that. Gary |
David wrote: On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 14:47:39 -0700, JGW wrote: I have read that it's impossible to keep the pond clean with rocks on the bottom, and that they can trap hydrogen sulfide gas. What are your thoughts? I have been considering this as one possible solution: Has anyone tried, or know of anyone who has tried using a *well-controlled* water-blast wand, (using pressurized pond water), to roil up any settled mulm around the rocks, which would then be pulled out through the bottom drain? This would only be done perhaps once or twice a year, and would of course be expected to temporarily load up the filters, etc. But it seems that this might be one way to permit one to rock the bottom. Any opinions, thoughts? Hello, Mother Nature doesnot function on "once or twice a year", she functions on minute by minute when it comes to water. Youare going to have to make up your mind: are you operating a pond or a cesspool. Fresh water flow MUST be introduced constantly, and that is all she wrote . . . You want to teach your fish to live in a cesspool fine, however "enzymes" are what they use to keep cesspools functioning, and if you are using those "enzymes" youare operating a cesspool, not a "pond". I would run a simple hose to the bottom of the cesspool 00ps pond and let the water trickle in 24/7/365. An occasional "storm" (hurricane every Fall) would "move" the slop up and out (over-flowing onto land) (you, of course, being the "storm"). And, yes, put lots of huge rocks on the bottom and all around the pond, as it may help slow down the soil erosion, thus prevent your house from being sucked into the pond. __________________________________________________ _____________________________ Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com - Accounts Starting At $6.95 - http://www.uncensored-news.com The Worlds Uncensored News Source |
This sounds like a workable solution for the rock bottom ponds. It would work much more like the undergravel filters of aquariums since you would be pulling water through and then filtering, etc. One caution would be to put sufficient support under the grates to be able to walk on the rocks.You never know when you will have to get in to rearrange pots, catch fish, etc. Yes, you really need to use some kind of support pallet for this. I'm not really trying to turn it into a filter; just a single layer of hand sized flat-round stones. There will be sufficient gaps to allow certain kinds of wild life to live, hide under the "false bottom". I don't think detritus will accumulate down there; a mild pull will exist from all times from the bottom drain... C// |
"Courageous" wrote in message ... I don't think detritus will accumulate down there; a mild pull will exist from all times from the bottom drain... ======================== Wouldn't these small critters like tiny chorus frogs, pollywogs and newts get sucked into that bottom drain? -- McKoi.... the frugal ponder... My Pond Page http://tinyurl.com/cuq5b ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
"Phyllis and Jim Hurley" wrote in message ... Do we have any ponders who have a bunch of rocks on the bottom of their ponds? Have any of them tried it 'bare bottomed'? They might be able to comment on the relative difficulty of maintaining them. ===================== We had gravel in the bottom of our 1st pond that first year. We removed it the following summer because of all the debris it collected. Cleaning the pond was impossible with the gravel on the shelves and bottom. -- McKoi.... the frugal ponder... My Pond Page http://tinyurl.com/cuq5b ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
On 4 Aug 2005 01:07:00 GMT, "Harry" :7501 wrote:
David wrote: On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 14:47:39 -0700, JGW wrote: I have read that it's impossible to keep the pond clean with rocks on the bottom, and that they can trap hydrogen sulfide gas. What are your thoughts? I have been considering this as one possible solution: Has anyone tried, or know of anyone who has tried using a *well-controlled* water-blast wand, (using pressurized pond water), to roil up any settled mulm around the rocks, which would then be pulled out through the bottom drain? This would only be done perhaps once or twice a year, and would of course be expected to temporarily load up the filters, etc. But it seems that this might be one way to permit one to rock the bottom. Any opinions, thoughts? Hello, Mother Nature doesnot function on "once or twice a year", she functions on minute by minute when it comes to water. Youare going to have to make up your mind: are you operating a pond or a cesspool. Fresh water flow MUST be introduced constantly, and that is all she wrote . . . You want to teach your fish to live in a cesspool fine, however "enzymes" are what they use to keep cesspools functioning, and if you are using those "enzymes" youare operating a cesspool, not a "pond". I would run a simple hose to the bottom of the cesspool 00ps pond and let the water trickle in 24/7/365. An occasional "storm" (hurricane every Fall) would "move" the slop up and out (over-flowing onto land) (you, of course, being the "storm"). And, yes, put lots of huge rocks on the bottom and all around the pond, as it may help slow down the soil erosion, thus prevent your house from being sucked into the pond. I see that I have tweaked one of the trolls. Aw, well ... another 2 millisecond update to my killfile. How many minutess did it take you to construct your above rant? Sorry, Harry... {PLONK} |
Wouldn't these small critters like tiny chorus frogs, pollywogs and newts get sucked into that bottom drain? Possibly. It's a large pipe. It's 3600 GPH through a 4". If it's too much, they'll end up living in the settling tank. :-) C// |
On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 07:51:43 -0700, Courageous
wrote: Wouldn't these small critters like tiny chorus frogs, pollywogs and newts get sucked into that bottom drain? Possibly. It's a large pipe. It's 3600 GPH through a 4". If it's too much, they'll end up living in the settling tank. :-) C// Hi Courageous, I've been trying to think how to construct a rather large screen dome to place over the BD to address this problem. ("Large" = reduced suction per sq.in. = small critters (and fish) can escape more easily); but screen grid still large enough to permit mulm to pass thru. Or perhaps concentric domes of decreasing grid sizes(?) It's a difficult question isn't it? -- trying to solve two intertwined but mutually exclusive problems at the same time! Do you think it's worth experimenting? |
"Courageous" wrote in message ... Wouldn't these small critters like tiny chorus frogs, pollywogs and newts get sucked into that bottom drain? Possibly. It's a large pipe. It's 3600 GPH through a 4". If it's too much, they'll end up living in the settling tank. :-) ================================= That may work if they don't have to get past the impeller to get there. You may find your settling tank full of critters in a few days. :-)) I find pollywogs in my settling tank at times. I don't know how they get past the "clam-basket" the pump is in. -- McKoi.... the frugal ponder... ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killf..._troll_faq.htm |
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