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"NetMax" wrote in message .. . wrote in message oups.com... and the liveliness and longevity of my gf's is testiment that smallish 1 gallon tanks are fine. I wouldn't think the words longevity could be used in the same sentence as a 1g tank when talking about GF. Goldfish are very long lived, 10-20 years is not unusual. I cannot imagine that occuring in a small container. Actually this has now become illegal in several parts of the world. ======================== I believe he means his GIRLFRIEND'S not his goldfishes when he used gf's. -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
bettas in plastic cups
Koi-lo wrote:
"NetMax" wrote in message .. . wrote in message oups.com... and the liveliness and longevity of my gf's is testiment that smallish 1 gallon tanks are fine. I wouldn't think the words longevity could be used in the same sentence as a 1g tank when talking about GF. Goldfish are very long lived, 10-20 years is not unusual. I cannot imagine that occuring in a small container. Actually this has now become illegal in several parts of the world. ======================== I believe he means his GIRLFRIEND'S not his goldfishes when he used gf's. I read "gf" as goldfish too :) . Perhaps this shows where some of our (aquarists') priorities a fish over romance? Steve |
bettas in plastic cups
"Steve" wrote in message ... Koi-lo wrote: "NetMax" wrote in message .. . wrote in message oups.com... and the liveliness and longevity of my gf's is testiment that smallish 1 gallon tanks are fine. I wouldn't think the words longevity could be used in the same sentence as a 1g tank when talking about GF. Goldfish are very long lived, 10-20 years is not unusual. I cannot imagine that occuring in a small container. Actually this has now become illegal in several parts of the world. ======================== I believe he means his GIRLFRIEND'S not his goldfishes when he used gf's. I read "gf" as goldfish too :) . Perhaps this shows where some of our (aquarists') priorities a fish over romance? Steve ================ LOL!!! :-D Fish are addictive and it's a form of love. I knew he couldn't mean goldfish because he also mentioned a one gallon tank. GF wouldn't last too long in such a small tank. Not at the rate they grow. -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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"NetMax" wrote: wrote in message and the liveliness and longevity of my gf's is testiment that smallish 1 gallon tanks are fine. I wouldn't think the words longevity could be used in the same sentence as a 1g tank when talking about GF. Goldfish are very long lived, 10-20 years is not unusual. I cannot imagine that occuring in a small container. Actually this has now become illegal in several parts of the world. I have real problems with this. They are goldfish, not human beings. The kind of goldfish you put in little tanks are labeled as "feeder fish" at the store. How can it be crueler to put them in a small tank where they have a short life than feed them to another fish? I have had tanks for many years. I have had periods with no tanks. My son, very young, wanted a pet during one of those periods. I offered a goldfish. I took a one quart jar out of the recycle. No plants, no gravel, no nothing. I bought a feeder goldfish. I got a very cheap container of goldfish food from the supermarket. I carefully trained my son not to overfeed the fish. With little food, the water didn't go bad. First of all, there was no spoiled food. Secondly, since the fish didn't each much, it didn't produce many waste products. Lastly, since it wasn't getting much food, it didn't outgrow the jar. The fish lived happily for well over a year. Some time later, my daughter wanted to do the same thing. I got a jar and we went to the pet store. I got the third degree. What kind of tank? What kind of filter? Didn't I understand that I couldn't do this? I explained that it had worked before. The salesperson said, "OK, I guess you know what you are doing. Let's get a fish.". It lived quite a while. -- Dan Abel Petaluma, California, USA |
bettas in plastic cups
"Koi-lo" wrote in message
... "NetMax" wrote in message .. . wrote in message oups.com... and the liveliness and longevity of my gf's is testiment that smallish 1 gallon tanks are fine. I wouldn't think the words longevity could be used in the same sentence as a 1g tank when talking about GF. Goldfish are very long lived, 10-20 years is not unusual. I cannot imagine that occuring in a small container. Actually this has now become illegal in several parts of the world. ======================== I believe he means his GIRLFRIEND'S not his goldfishes when he used gf's. -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o *whew* my bad, thanks! -- www.NetMax.tk |
gold fish: was bettas in plastic cups
"Dan Abel" wrote in message
... In article , "NetMax" wrote: wrote in message and the liveliness and longevity of my gf's is testiment that smallish 1 gallon tanks are fine. I wouldn't think the words longevity could be used in the same sentence as a 1g tank when talking about GF. Goldfish are very long lived, 10-20 years is not unusual. I cannot imagine that occuring in a small container. Actually this has now become illegal in several parts of the world. I have real problems with this. They are goldfish, not human beings. The kind of goldfish you put in little tanks are labeled as "feeder fish" at the store. How can it be crueler to put them in a small tank where they have a short life than feed them to another fish? I have had tanks for many years. I have had periods with no tanks. My son, very young, wanted a pet during one of those periods. I offered a goldfish. I took a one quart jar out of the recycle. No plants, no gravel, no nothing. I bought a feeder goldfish. I got a very cheap container of goldfish food from the supermarket. I carefully trained my son not to overfeed the fish. With little food, the water didn't go bad. First of all, there was no spoiled food. Secondly, since the fish didn't each much, it didn't produce many waste products. Lastly, since it wasn't getting much food, it didn't outgrow the jar. The fish lived happily for well over a year. Some time later, my daughter wanted to do the same thing. I got a jar and we went to the pet store. I got the third degree. What kind of tank? What kind of filter? Didn't I understand that I couldn't do this? I explained that it had worked before. The salesperson said, "OK, I guess you know what you are doing. Let's get a fish.". It lived quite a while. -- Dan Abel Petaluma, California, USA I think the problem is not that undersize containers cannot be done responsibly, but that they require more education, maintenance and discipline than is normally exercised, and the recognition as to when the fish's accommodations need to be upsized. Having been in the trade, I would support this ban. I have seen too many stunted fish who spent their lives gasping for air (aren't Goldfish air breathers?) or unable to eat from the surface because they were longer than the tank was deep. In most of these cases, their owners were oblivious to anything being wrong. In your case, having a fish which could live 50 years, live only a year, is being justified by the fact that it was destined to be someone's meal within a week anyways. There are many moral decisions made in the pursuit of this hobby, and I have enough trouble with my own. -- www.NetMax.tk |
bettas in plastic cups
NetMax wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Ditto on the life expectency related to temperature. My bettas in heated, 75 degree tanks, lived about 2 years from when I hatched them from eggs. My girlfriend's, who were all in an unheated 10 gallon tank, are all still alive. The mom of the bettas is now in her 4th year in a 1 gallon unheated tank (68F/20C) and still quite active and healthy. She's been fed only four betta pellets per day for most of her life, which at first I thought was too little, but who am I to say since hers has outlived most of my current fish. That's an interesting observation. It lacks the scientific rigour that I always like to look for, but it's rare to see controlled experiments on fish, (especially longevity). In theory, longevity can be decreased by increasing the temperature (higher metabolism), but this assumes all other factors are equal, and you are moving away from their optimal temperature range. If my texts are correct and their range is 70-90F, breeds at 80F, then they are more likely to be outside their optimal range in an unheated tank than in an overheated tank. Another variable is the lower O2 levels in small heated tanks, but again the Betta throws a wrench into this with their labyrinth organ. I wonder if genetics, maintenance and not over-feeding are more critical to longevity than the water's temperature. Keep them separate and unheated for longer life. I personally think they are fine in cups for short periods of time (ie. in a fish store), I agree, but this time from experience. Two weeks in a cup didn't seem to phase them, and while many do very well in a community tank, many also do very well in relative isolation. and the liveliness and longevity of my gf's is testiment that smallish 1 gallon tanks are fine. I wouldn't think the words longevity could be used in the same sentence as a 1g tank when talking about GF. Goldfish are very long lived, 10-20 years is not unusual. I cannot imagine that occuring in a small container. Actually this has now become illegal in several parts of the world. I keep females in a community tank now, and the hardest part is keeping the other fish from stealing their pellets (which is a problem, since my bettas don't eat flakes; only pellets). I rather like female Bettas. Basically identical in personality, colors & behavior, but tolerant of each other in the right set-up. Probably under-rated as compared to the males. I used to keep 20-30 of them in a planted 60g. -- www.NetMax.tk tim NetMax wrote: I rather like female Bettas. Basically identical in personality, colors & behavior, but tolerant of each other in the right set-up. Probably under-rated as compared to the males. I used to keep 20-30 of them in a planted 60g. I totally agree! I have recommended to folks countless times to try a bunch of females in a larger tank. (more so on another group I post on), but never the less...the answer is the same. They are so interesting to watch. I sit everyday next to my 75g and watch them interact with each other. I rarely have a barred female in the tank as well. I love sending pictures to folks who claim they are ugly, and not colorful at all. = )~ No matter how many times I explain that the blanched out coloring with horizontal barring isn't their true color, that it is only body language (saying I'm not a threat to your rank to the other dominant fish, or fright), and that they color up quickly when in a suitable tank they have a hard time believing it until I send them photos. I love the fact that when I spawned them, I'd always get more females than I do males. It's like having a tank full of male Plakats all in one tank. = ) |
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I hear this all the time. "I can't upgrade from 1 gallon to 5 gallons
because I can't afford it." While I fully appreciate not having a lot of spare cash to spend I have little sympathy for someone who can't dish out $5 to care for their pet properly. Whenever the discussion arises I do what I can to point the person to money saving options. Let's face it, few home aquarists are independently wealthy. Because of this, however, there are dozens of brilliant money saving ideas out there. $1 aquariums on Craigslist, free tanks on Freecycle and lots of giveaways or auctions at local fish clubs. Let's not forget all the do-it-yourself ideas generated by savvy hobbyists. The fact is, many of these people aren't interested in a cheap upgrade. I give them 10 options and they have a reason why each one won't work. I don't know if it's laziness or they purely don't care if their pet lives or dies. The problem is too many people don't view fish as family pets to be nurtured and cared for. If I went out and bought a horse I couldn't afford you can bet the whole neighborhood would be in an uproar and the police would be knocking down my door. Although, I suppose no one would sell me the horse in the first place. I guess that goes back to the problem with LFSs. |
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