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Koi-Lo wrote:

"Mr. Gardener" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:46:22 -0600, "Koi-Lo"
wrote:

Moments before spontaneously combusting Nikki at
was heard opining:

I also called petsmart and your right they said they don't get them in
*most* of the time.
I do have a Wal-Mart not to far, I have never considered getting fish
there but maybe ill try.
thanks Nikki

=======================
Make sure you treat all WM fish for ICK. I just bought the first
fish in
years at WM today. See my post above regarding calico Lionheads.
They'll
be treated for ICK, then flukes. They'll be in quarantine for at
least 14
to 21 days.


Now there you go again, spontaneously combusting Nikki. At this rate
you're going to everyone blown up and no one to talk to.

Why are you treating your new fish for diseases that you haven't
identified?

============================
Because there were several tanks of fish there crawling with ICK. There
was no way these GF weren't exposed, even though they were only in the
tank maybe an hour. No one there soaks the nets or specimen containers
in disinfectant. No one there CARES.

I've heard enough horror stories about flukes to go for the bucks to
treat them for that as well. I asked the young man there if they had
medication or salt in the water and he said they're not even allowed to
feed the fish anymore. They keep the tank-tops locked now. There were
starving plecos and puffers, dead fish floating..........

I'm not taking any chances.


sometimes when I read these horror stories I wonder why you don't all
just walk with your feet - stores that can't sell the fish will not be
there in a short amount of time but new ones will come that satisify the
market for good quality fish because if they don't they will fail as
well....everytime even one of you buys fish from one of these places,
for whatever reasons, it reinforces their policy of not caring for fish
not mattering - people will buy them anyway....

Now I'm going to duck again - as NetMax so elequently put in a recent
post - Gill Passman "hit and run"....

blue betta
 

Moments before spontaneously combusting Gill Passman at
was heard opining:

Koi-Lo wrote:
Because there were several tanks of fish there crawling with ICK. There
was no way these GF weren't exposed, even though they were
only in the tank maybe an hour. No one there soaks the nets or
specimen containers in disinfectant. No one there CARES.

I've heard enough horror stories about flukes to go for the bucks to
treat them for that as well. I asked the young man there if they had
medication or salt in the water and he said they're not even allowed
to feed the fish anymore. They keep the tank-tops locked now. There were
starving plecos and puffers, dead fish floating..........

I'm not taking any chances.
======================

sometimes when I read these horror stories I wonder why you don't all
just walk with your feet - stores that can't sell the fish will not be
there in a short amount of time but new ones will come that satisify
the market for good quality fish because if they don't they will fail
as well....everytime even one of you buys fish from one of these
places, for whatever reasons, it reinforces their policy of not caring for
fish not mattering - people will buy them anyway....

I've been looking for calico lionheads since last October. None of the
stores here get them in. I was getting desperate enough to consider
ordering them online. I seldom buy anything online. And suddenly there
they were - right before my very eyes! Nice smooth rounded backs, nice
tails, healthy looking (they just arrived), active, nicely marked... I
weakened and had to have 4 of them. After they settled down I fed them some
shrimp pellets and they scarffed them up. :-) So far so good.


Now I'm going to duck again - as NetMax so elequently put in a recent
post - Gill Passman "hit and run"....
--

Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
Aquariums since 1952
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

blue betta
 

On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 23:49:17 +0000, Gill Passman
wrote:

Koi-Lo wrote:

"Mr. Gardener" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:46:22 -0600, "Koi-Lo"
wrote:

Moments before spontaneously combusting Nikki at
was heard opining:

I also called petsmart and your right they said they don't get them in
*most* of the time.
I do have a Wal-Mart not to far, I have never considered getting fish
there but maybe ill try.
thanks Nikki

=======================
Make sure you treat all WM fish for ICK. I just bought the first
fish in
years at WM today. See my post above regarding calico Lionheads.
They'll
be treated for ICK, then flukes. They'll be in quarantine for at
least 14
to 21 days.


Now there you go again, spontaneously combusting Nikki. At this rate
you're going to everyone blown up and no one to talk to.

Why are you treating your new fish for diseases that you haven't
identified?

============================
Because there were several tanks of fish there crawling with ICK. There
was no way these GF weren't exposed, even though they were only in the
tank maybe an hour. No one there soaks the nets or specimen containers
in disinfectant. No one there CARES.

I've heard enough horror stories about flukes to go for the bucks to
treat them for that as well. I asked the young man there if they had
medication or salt in the water and he said they're not even allowed to
feed the fish anymore. They keep the tank-tops locked now. There were
starving plecos and puffers, dead fish floating..........

I'm not taking any chances.


sometimes when I read these horror stories I wonder why you don't all
just walk with your feet - stores that can't sell the fish will not be
there in a short amount of time but new ones will come that satisify the
market for good quality fish because if they don't they will fail as
well....everytime even one of you buys fish from one of these places,
for whatever reasons, it reinforces their policy of not caring for fish
not mattering - people will buy them anyway....

Now I'm going to duck again - as NetMax so elequently put in a recent
post - Gill Passman "hit and run"....

The lure of saving a dollar is powerful in this country, and most
likely in many other countries as well. Powerful enough that we will
purchase diseased animals and goods of questionable quality produced
by workers on the other side of the world whose wages and workplaces
are sweatshop conditions, from store employees working for barely
minimum wages who rarely speak up about the forced unpaid overtime,
missed meal breaks, little or no fringe benefits, wearing bright blue
smocks with yellow happy faces pinned to their chests - Hi, how are
you today - that will be $$ - thankyou now you have a great day NEXT?
- - but if we can save a dollar or two, it's worth it. And now that we
have spread our good fortune into a global economy, you can also
benefit from the great savings. Now, aren't you glad you lost the
revolution? Where would you be without us? Heck, even your Beatles and
Rolling Stones admit they learned their music from dirt poor
amerikans.

-- Mister Gardener

blue betta
 

Mr. Gardener wrote:
On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 23:49:17 +0000, Gill Passman
wrote:


Koi-Lo wrote:

"Mr. Gardener" wrote in message
...


On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:46:22 -0600, "Koi-Lo"
wrote:


Moments before spontaneously combusting Nikki at
was heard opining:


I also called petsmart and your right they said they don't get them in
*most* of the time.
I do have a Wal-Mart not to far, I have never considered getting fish
there but maybe ill try.
thanks Nikki

=======================
Make sure you treat all WM fish for ICK. I just bought the first
fish in
years at WM today. See my post above regarding calico Lionheads.
They'll
be treated for ICK, then flukes. They'll be in quarantine for at
least 14
to 21 days.


Now there you go again, spontaneously combusting Nikki. At this rate
you're going to everyone blown up and no one to talk to.

Why are you treating your new fish for diseases that you haven't
identified?

============================
Because there were several tanks of fish there crawling with ICK. There
was no way these GF weren't exposed, even though they were only in the
tank maybe an hour. No one there soaks the nets or specimen containers
in disinfectant. No one there CARES.

I've heard enough horror stories about flukes to go for the bucks to
treat them for that as well. I asked the young man there if they had
medication or salt in the water and he said they're not even allowed to
feed the fish anymore. They keep the tank-tops locked now. There were
starving plecos and puffers, dead fish floating..........

I'm not taking any chances.


sometimes when I read these horror stories I wonder why you don't all
just walk with your feet - stores that can't sell the fish will not be
there in a short amount of time but new ones will come that satisify the
market for good quality fish because if they don't they will fail as
well....everytime even one of you buys fish from one of these places,
for whatever reasons, it reinforces their policy of not caring for fish
not mattering - people will buy them anyway....

Now I'm going to duck again - as NetMax so elequently put in a recent
post - Gill Passman "hit and run"....


The lure of saving a dollar is powerful in this country, and most
likely in many other countries as well. Powerful enough that we will
purchase diseased animals and goods of questionable quality produced
by workers on the other side of the world whose wages and workplaces
are sweatshop conditions, from store employees working for barely
minimum wages who rarely speak up about the forced unpaid overtime,
missed meal breaks, little or no fringe benefits, wearing bright blue
smocks with yellow happy faces pinned to their chests - Hi, how are
you today - that will be $$ - thankyou now you have a great day NEXT?
- - but if we can save a dollar or two, it's worth it. And now that we
have spread our good fortune into a global economy, you can also
benefit from the great savings. Now, aren't you glad you lost the
revolution? Where would you be without us? Heck, even your Beatles and
Rolling Stones admit they learned their music from dirt poor
amerikans.

-- Mister Gardener

I rather think you are trying to flame me here...and I will not
rise...revolution - what revolution??? Us Brits have never done this
stuff - half arsed attempt at a civil war many centuries ago - chopped
off the head of the king...waited a while and then crowned his son. We
just let go of a troublesome colony...hey, Canada is still part of the
"Commonwealth" and we all get on fine...Nuff said (and I am tongue in
cheek so need not get patriotic responses)...

Yeah, right, everything is about the saved pound or dollar...but
sometimes things are more important...I want to buy relatively healthy
fish...doesn't always happen but the legislation in place here makes it
more likely than not - otherwise these places get reported and get shut
down....Don't knock it....it's what all you guys really want in your
country...

As for exploitation - where were your jeans or trainers manufactured????
- sorry, woops, no flame war or off-topic stuff here....forget I typed
this....

Gill

blue betta
 

Moments before spontaneously combusting Mr. Gardener at
was heard opining:

The lure of saving a dollar is powerful in this country, and most
likely in many other countries as well. Powerful enough that we will
purchase diseased animals and goods of questionable quality produced
by workers on the other side of the world whose wages and workplaces
are sweatshop conditions, from store employees working for barely
minimum wages who rarely speak up about the forced unpaid overtime,
missed meal breaks, little or no fringe benefits, wearing bright blue
smocks with yellow happy faces pinned to their chests

These employees don't care because they're not there very long. I seldom
see the same faces in any dept. or at the registers. The turnover must be
90% or better. They need to get Unions in some of these places.

- Hi, how are
you today - that will be $$ - thankyou now you have a great day NEXT?
- - but if we can save a dollar or two, it's worth it.

It's MORE than a dollar or two. You can't beat WM's prices across the board
*and* you can get everything in the one store making shopping easy and fast.
That's the main reason we shop there.

--
Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
Aquariums since 1952
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

blue betta
 

wow, were did this post go
all I know is I did not buy, treat, post, nor was I patriotic, at least not
today..
hope you all have a good night....I have had a bad one, I almost fried one
of my betta's
the heater was on the same temp for some time, always at 80-82, I came home
tonight and it was stuck on, needless to say I threw it away but the temp in
the tank was nearly 98 degree's, betta was quite mad and floating, I took
him out and put him in water that was 78 degree's and cooled the tank down,
changed the heater, I put him back in his tank, he don't look great but he
don't look dead no more either so who knows, I'm going to hope he makes it,
I feel real bad about it, the heater was a few years old so maybe it
broke....
o-well I'm going to go lay down, my baby has a high fever *this weather in
pgh pa is horrible, 60 degrees one day and 20 degrees the next*
Nikki


"Mr. Gardener" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:46:22 -0600, "Koi-Lo"
wrote:

Moments before spontaneously combusting Nikki at
was heard opining:

I also called petsmart and your right they said they don't get them in
*most* of the time.
I do have a Wal-Mart not to far, I have never considered getting fish
there but maybe ill try.
thanks Nikki
=======================
Make sure you treat all WM fish for ICK. I just bought the first fish in
years at WM today. See my post above regarding calico Lionheads. They'll
be treated for ICK, then flukes. They'll be in quarantine for at least 14
to 21 days.

Now there you go again, spontaneously combusting Nikki. At this rate
you're going to everyone blown up and no one to talk to.

Why are you treating your new fish for diseases that you haven't
identified?

-- Mister Gardener

blue betta
 

Bottom posted.
Koi-Lo wrote:
Moments before spontaneously combusting Mr. Gardener at
was heard opining:

The lure of saving a dollar is powerful in this country, and most
likely in many other countries as well. Powerful enough that we will
purchase diseased animals and goods of questionable quality produced
by workers on the other side of the world whose wages and workplaces
are sweatshop conditions, from store employees working for barely
minimum wages who rarely speak up about the forced unpaid overtime,
missed meal breaks, little or no fringe benefits, wearing bright blue
smocks with yellow happy faces pinned to their chests

These employees don't care because they're not there very long. I
seldom see the same faces in any dept. or at the registers. The
turnover must be 90% or better. They need to get Unions in some of
these places.

- Hi, how are
you today - that will be $$ - thankyou now you have a great day NEXT?
- - but if we can save a dollar or two, it's worth it.

It's MORE than a dollar or two. You can't beat WM's prices across
the board *and* you can get everything in the one store making
shopping easy and fast. That's the main reason we shop there.

I agree with koi-lo. I know a lot of friends of mine tell me not to shop at
wal**art because they strangle the mom and pop stores which are more
american (i.e. they work in america and provide more american products) but
quite frankly I see this kind of talk much like my older friend jeanette
telling me I've got to only get fresh organic produce and cook all of my
meals from scratch. It just isn't practical and quite frankly jeanette's
advice is way too expensive to act on. Only the rich can afford to eat truly
healthily. I am so cynical about the health food industries prices I scoff
whenever jeanette tells me "like it is", quite frankly. Practically speaking
it is true - wal**art is just plain the best store to shop at, there are una
cceptable drawbacks to everything else. Good luck and later!

blue betta
 

On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 17:56:42 -0500, Nikki wrote:

When I change their water daily I either change 100% or 50% depending,

You should only rarely do 100% water changes. By replacing all the water,
you will cause new tank syndrome. Of course, the medications you're
adding might already be killing the good microbes along with the bad.

You may want to add aquarium or sea salt to your tank unless it's planted.
The added salinity will definitely help against ich.

hth,
Laie Techie

blue betta
 

On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 00:36:13 +0000, Gill Passman
wrote:


I rather think you are trying to flame me here...and I will not
rise...revolution - what revolution??? Us Brits have never done this
stuff - half arsed attempt at a civil war many centuries ago - chopped
off the head of the king...waited a while and then crowned his son. We
just let go of a troublesome colony...hey, Canada is still part of the
"Commonwealth" and we all get on fine...Nuff said (and I am tongue in
cheek so need not get patriotic responses)...

Yeah, right, everything is about the saved pound or dollar...but
sometimes things are more important...I want to buy relatively healthy
fish...doesn't always happen but the legislation in place here makes it
more likely than not - otherwise these places get reported and get shut
down....Don't knock it....it's what all you guys really want in your
country...

As for exploitation - where were your jeans or trainers manufactured????
- sorry, woops, no flame war or off-topic stuff here....forget I typed
this....

Gill
We're all part of this globalized consumerism, whether we want to be
or not. No flame intended, purely in jest. You did, however, give me
an idea for my next library visit, and that is to see what I can find
in the British history books about the amerikan revolution. Time to
take this topic off the fish board and get back to business.

I stopped in at Petco yesterday while I was in the city, bought a case
of cat food for a new feline in my home that refuses to eat the dry
food we serve our other cats. He'll learn by the time he finishes this
case. I wandered into the fish department, can never resist, and
browsed the tanks. They looked good, the fish looked really good. In
fact, I saw a tank of very nice looking angels . . . but as I looked
further, I noted that there were dozens of bags of fish hanging in the
tanks acclimating . . . delivery day . . . bad time to buy new fish.
Next time I go there, when the skinny teenager asks if he can help me,
maybe I'll strike up a conversation with him and see just what he
knows and how he cares for the fish. Instead of politely brushing him
off or intentionally asking him a difficult question that I know will
stymie him.

-- Mister Gardener

blue betta
 

On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 23:33:40 -0500, "Nikki"
wrote:

the heater was on the same temp for some time, always at 80-82, I came home
tonight and it was stuck on, needless to say I threw it away but the temp in
the tank was nearly 98 degree's, betta was quite mad and floating, I took
him out and put him in water that was 78 degree's and cooled the tank down,
changed the heater, I put him back in his tank, he don't look great but he
don't look dead no more either so who knows, I'm going to hope he makes it,
I feel real bad about it, the heater was a few years old so maybe it
broke...

Wow. I've never had a heater go on me, but I've read about it. Hope
your betta makes it. And it's fortunate that you had an extra heater
on hand.

-- Mister Gardener