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Gill Passman wrote:

The current issue iof Practical Fishkeeping has an article about this.

So you now buy this in Canada? Actually that is only part of the article
but you are right that this is the main disadvantage mentioned. I've
just checked and it isn't on-line yet - a few days and I'm sure it will
be....

Nah, I was only able to find it in Los Angeles. Go figure.

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Richard Sexton wrote:
In article ,
Gill Passman wrote:

The current issue iof Practical Fishkeeping has an article about this.


So you now buy this in Canada? Actually that is only part of the article
but you are right that this is the main disadvantage mentioned. I've
just checked and it isn't on-line yet - a few days and I'm sure it will
be....


Nah, I was only able to find it in Los Angeles. Go figure.


Apparently they now accept subscriptions from NA....what was that mag
you write for from time to time???? I'd quite love to get it over here....

Gill

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You know, I read that article last week and never noticed the bit about
soft-water fish doing well in hard water - just read it again and found
it! Well, that's good news.

Regards,

Muddy

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Richard Sexton wrote:
I dunno. They're in the wendtii species-complex and I *think* they're
undulatus. They don't divide like wedntii (clusters of plantlets
at the base) but instead throw long runners.

Interesting...


They're the most prolific aquatic plant I've ever seen. I started
with one several years ago and have thrown away hundreds over the
years. And given away 10X that many.

WOW - they sound fantastic. I have some wendtii in my betta tank.
Just had a look - no plantlets at the base, but no plantlets coming up
from runners away from the main plant either. Mind you, they've not
been in that long. I'll have to wait and see. I'd love it if they
were the ones you had.


http://images.aquaria.net/plants/Cryptocoryne/u/UND/
http://images.aquaria.net/fish/liveb.../rjs/09-05-03/

I love the endlers - they have real visiual imact in a crowd like that.
Beautiful colouration too.

Thanks for showing me!,

Muddy

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"muddyfox" wrote in message
oups.com...
You know, I read that article last week and never noticed the bit about
soft-water fish doing well in hard water - just read it again and found
it! Well, that's good news.

Regards,

Muddy


Just my opinions, but
i) soft water fish do badly in very hard water (too hard on their kidneys).
ii) pound for pound, African mbuna are more aggressive than south or central
American fish.
iii) you could never keep any Monodactylidae in such a small tank - they
outgrow 4' tanks.
iv) keeping fish from the same lake will not help with aggression, and is
just as likely to worsen it.

For such a small tank with hard water, I would look at shellies (small
Tanganyikan cichlids), African Gobies (Eretromodus cynostictus (sp?)), some
of the smaller rainbows (ie: Neon Rainbow), Julies (the smaller ones),
Neritidae snails, and Killies (I'm surprised Richard didn't mention them
;~).
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In article ,
NetMax wrote:
Just my opinions, but
i) soft water fish do badly in very hard water (too hard on their kidneys).

Eh. Not in my experience. I keep killifish that are found in 0DH 4.5 pH terra typica
and I keep them in liquid rock. They won't breed in this stuff, I have to use RO
but they do just fine. Scheel (_Rivulins of the old world_ TFH press, 1968) strongly
urges keeping rainforest soft water fish in hard water to reduce occurance of
Mycobacteria which does poorly in hard water to the point of not being a problem.

I've followed this practice for a couple of decades, as does every killifan
I know.

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"Richard Sexton" wrote in message
...
In article ,
NetMax wrote:
Just my opinions, but
i) soft water fish do badly in very hard water (too hard on their
kidneys).

Eh. Not in my experience. I keep killifish that are found in 0DH 4.5 pH
terra typica
and I keep them in liquid rock. They won't breed in this stuff, I have to
use RO
but they do just fine. Scheel (_Rivulins of the old world_ TFH press,
1968) strongly
urges keeping rainforest soft water fish in hard water to reduce occurance
of
Mycobacteria which does poorly in hard water to the point of not being a
problem.

I've followed this practice for a couple of decades, as does every
killifan
I know.

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Richard Sexton

So you agree with my recommendation that some killis would be appropriate in
hard water ;~).

Which soft water fish do poorly in hard water is a complex topic which is
unlikely to be clearly answered anytime soon The smaller the fish, and the
more its complete life cycle has evolved around soft water, the more prone
it would be expected to be, to have ailments attributable to hard water.
Some botia from the Mekong and some tetras from the Amazon are good
candidates. Discus appear to be quite sensitive to gH as well. A possible
distinction might be drawn between fish which use soft water as a spawning
trigger, and fish which will simply not develop eggs in hard water. Too
complex a topic for me.

They might survive, but exhibit mild long term symptoms of stress (beyond
never spawning), such as different growth rates, age, colour intensity etc.
Killis might not be a representative example as they exist at both extremes,
but are there known differences between killifish kept at one extreme as
opposed to the other?
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