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nut wrote:

Zëbulon wrote:
"Tynk" wrote in message
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You cannot set such a vague "rule" when there are way too many
variables when it comes to stocking a fish...much more than it's size
in inches.
======================
Such as the fact a 1" goldfish passes a lot more waste than a 1"
guppy.

The rule was for tropical fish, not coldwater.

Doesn't work there either really. A six inch Rainbow fish is a lot more
mass, and a bigger waste producer, and requires more tank, than 2 or 3
neons...

A new tank without cycling
 

amosf © Tim Fairchild wrote:
nut wrote:

Zbulon wrote:
"Tynk" wrote in message
oups.com...
You cannot set such a vague "rule" when there are way too many
variables when it comes to stocking a fish...much more than it's
size in inches.
======================
Such as the fact a 1" goldfish passes a lot more waste than a 1"
guppy.

The rule was for tropical fish, not coldwater.

Doesn't work there either really. A six inch Rainbow fish is a lot
more mass, and a bigger waste producer, and requires more tank, than
2 or 3 neons...

3 inch neons?! what are you feeding them on?!

I never said the rule was infallible, it's only meant as a rough guideline.



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Zëbulon wrote:
"nut" wrote in message
...
Zëbulon wrote:
"Tynk" wrote in message
oups.com...
You cannot set such a vague "rule" when there are way too many
variables when it comes to stocking a fish...much more than it's
size in inches.
======================
Such as the fact a 1" goldfish passes a lot more waste than a 1"
guppy.

The rule was for tropical fish, not coldwater.
=================
This is true but how many newbies know that? They come here all the
time asking about putting tropicals with goldfish. Some people keep
them together successfully.

Also, some tropicals have a lot more bulk per inch than others.

Newbies don't tend to keep cichlids, they keep non-aggressive community
fish... most of which have similar requirements.

However, i'm not disagreeing with you - i admit the rule isn't an accurate
guide.



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Zëbulon wrote:
"nut" wrote in message
...
Zëbulon wrote:
"Tynk" wrote in message
oups.com...
You cannot set such a vague "rule" when there are way too many
variables when it comes to stocking a fish...much more than it's
size in inches.
======================
Such as the fact a 1" goldfish passes a lot more waste than a 1"
guppy.

The rule was for tropical fish, not coldwater.
=================
This is true but how many newbies know that? They come here all the
time asking about putting tropicals with goldfish. Some people keep
them together successfully.

Also, some tropicals have a lot more bulk per inch than others.

Newbies don't tend to keep cichlids, they keep non-aggressive community
fish... most of which have similar requirements.

However, i'm not disagreeing with you - i admit the rule isn't an accurate
guide.




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A new tank without cycling
 

nut wrote:

amosf © Tim Fairchild wrote:
nut wrote:

Zbulon wrote:
"Tynk" wrote in message
oups.com...
You cannot set such a vague "rule" when there are way too many
variables when it comes to stocking a fish...much more than it's
size in inches.
======================
Such as the fact a 1" goldfish passes a lot more waste than a 1"
guppy.

The rule was for tropical fish, not coldwater.

Doesn't work there either really. A six inch Rainbow fish is a lot
more mass, and a bigger waste producer, and requires more tank, than
2 or 3 neons...

3 inch neons?! what are you feeding them on?!

My apology, I meant tetra.

I never said the rule was infallible, it's only meant as a rough
guideline.

Unfortunately it's not even good enough for a rough guideline. What is the
use of a rule that has more exceptions than the rule? An inch per gallon,
but not for coldwater and not for goldfish and not for loaches and not for
discus and other deep body fish and not for thick fish and not for fish
over 4 inches long and not for...

A new tank without cycling
 

nut wrote:

Zëbulon wrote:
"nut" wrote in message
...
Zëbulon wrote:
"Tynk" wrote in message
oups.com...
You cannot set such a vague "rule" when there are way too many
variables when it comes to stocking a fish...much more than it's
size in inches.
======================
Such as the fact a 1" goldfish passes a lot more waste than a 1"
guppy.

The rule was for tropical fish, not coldwater.
=================
This is true but how many newbies know that? They come here all the
time asking about putting tropicals with goldfish. Some people keep
them together successfully.

Also, some tropicals have a lot more bulk per inch than others.

Newbies don't tend to keep cichlids, they keep non-aggressive community
fish... most of which have similar requirements.

However, i'm not disagreeing with you - i admit the rule isn't an accurate
guide.

How many newbies DO keep an Oscar tho - and what a great example of how
useless the inch gallon rule is there... Sure, you can keep a 10 inch Oscar
in a 10g...

And I forgot angels as well...

And newbies also keep africans. They are pretty, and the LFS says they are
easy...

A new tank without cycling
 

nut wrote:

Zëbulon wrote:
"nut" wrote in message
...
Zëbulon wrote:
"Tynk" wrote in message
oups.com...
You cannot set such a vague "rule" when there are way too many
variables when it comes to stocking a fish...much more than it's
size in inches.
======================
Such as the fact a 1" goldfish passes a lot more waste than a 1"
guppy.

The rule was for tropical fish, not coldwater.
=================
This is true but how many newbies know that? They come here all the
time asking about putting tropicals with goldfish. Some people keep
them together successfully.

Also, some tropicals have a lot more bulk per inch than others.

Newbies don't tend to keep cichlids, they keep non-aggressive community
fish... most of which have similar requirements.

However, i'm not disagreeing with you - i admit the rule isn't an accurate
guide.

I know what you mean. People need a guide. but I feel it's a bad guide.
People do some easy math and think everything is fine. What they need to
know is more about the realities of what is going on in the tank and the
nitrogen cycle and toxin build up and all the rest.

A new tank without cycling
 

amosf © Tim Fairchild wrote:
nut wrote:

amosf Tim Fairchild wrote:
nut wrote:

Zbulon wrote:
"Tynk" wrote in message
oups.com...
You cannot set such a vague "rule" when there are way too many
variables when it comes to stocking a fish...much more than it's
size in inches.
======================
Such as the fact a 1" goldfish passes a lot more waste than a 1"
guppy.

The rule was for tropical fish, not coldwater.

Doesn't work there either really. A six inch Rainbow fish is a lot
more mass, and a bigger waste producer, and requires more tank, than
2 or 3 neons...

3 inch neons?! what are you feeding them on?!

My apology, I meant tetra.

I never said the rule was infallible, it's only meant as a rough
guideline.

Unfortunately it's not even good enough for a rough guideline. What
is the use of a rule that has more exceptions than the rule? An inch
per gallon, but not for coldwater and not for goldfish and not for
loaches and not for discus and other deep body fish and not for thick
fish and not for fish over 4 inches long and not for...

You are, of course, absolutely right.

However, you are taking it to extremes to prove your point. The rule is for
tropical fish, not coldwater, and whereas newbies often go for angels,
they're far less likely to buy 4" fish, and they certainly don't buy discus!

*Most* people tend to get a 30G tank, throw a bit of gravel and a few
decorations in there, fit a filter (which they then completely forget
about), and stock it with tetras, barbs, angels, guppies, mollies and one or
two bottom feeders... whatever's cheap in their LFS. They then come back
after a week or two and ask why the live bearers are missing/dead/dying.



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nut wrote:

amosf © Tim Fairchild wrote:
nut wrote:

amosf Tim Fairchild wrote:
nut wrote:

Zbulon wrote:
"Tynk" wrote in message
oups.com...
You cannot set such a vague "rule" when there are way too many
variables when it comes to stocking a fish...much more than it's
size in inches.
======================
Such as the fact a 1" goldfish passes a lot more waste than a 1"
guppy.

The rule was for tropical fish, not coldwater.

Doesn't work there either really. A six inch Rainbow fish is a lot
more mass, and a bigger waste producer, and requires more tank, than
2 or 3 neons...

3 inch neons?! what are you feeding them on?!

My apology, I meant tetra.

I never said the rule was infallible, it's only meant as a rough
guideline.

Unfortunately it's not even good enough for a rough guideline. What
is the use of a rule that has more exceptions than the rule? An inch
per gallon, but not for coldwater and not for goldfish and not for
loaches and not for discus and other deep body fish and not for thick
fish and not for fish over 4 inches long and not for...

You are, of course, absolutely right.

However, you are taking it to extremes to prove your point. The rule is
for tropical fish, not coldwater, and whereas newbies often go for angels,
they're far less likely to buy 4" fish, and they certainly don't buy
discus!

*Most* people tend to get a 30G tank, throw a bit of gravel and a few
decorations in there, fit a filter (which they then completely forget
about), and stock it with tetras, barbs, angels, guppies, mollies and one
or two bottom feeders... whatever's cheap in their LFS. They then come
back after a week or two and ask why the live bearers are
missing/dead/dying.

If they stick to mollies and guppies that's great :) Too often they get
clown loaches and plecos however :)

And goldfish, of course. Most don't know the rule doesn't apply...

Now, that is of course those that even follow the rule. I saw a 3g tank the
other day (okay, it may have been 5g, but I doubt it) and it had a 5 inch
comet and 4 other fancy goldfish.

And as you say, they throw it all together and wonder why it doesn't work.
And most get poor advice and a bunch of chemicals, like stress zyme and
cycle.

Ah well...

A new tank without cycling
 

Zëbulon wrote:

"nut" wrote in message
...

Zëbulon wrote:

"Tynk" wrote in message
oups.com...

You cannot set such a vague "rule" when there are way too many
variables when it comes to stocking a fish...much more than it's size
in inches.

======================
Such as the fact a 1" goldfish passes a lot more waste than a 1"
guppy.


The rule was for tropical fish, not coldwater.

=================
This is true but how many newbies know that? They come here all the
time asking about putting tropicals with goldfish. Some people keep
them together successfully.

Also, some tropicals have a lot more bulk per inch than others.
My wife makes me keep HER goldfish in with my tropicals. It looks
strange, but it works.