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Grounding Probe
This hobby is notorious for mistakes, myths, bad/incorrect data, folk lore,
misunderstanding,etc. In the early day people usually thought they were Goby's, cause they kinda look like Goby's. Look at it this way, a Red Reef Lobster is not a Lobster, anymore than a Red Banded Coral Shrimp is a Shrimp or a Spiny Lobster is a Lobster. "and whats up with that how stoned was the person that made the link between Callionymidae and dragonet and "ray fined fishes" -- Boomer Want to talk chemistry ? The Reef Chemistry Forum http://www.reefcentral.com/vbulletin/index.php Want to See More ? Please Join Our Growing Membership www.coralrealm.com If You See Me Running You Better Catch-Up "richard reynolds" wrote in message . .. : Boomer wrote in message ... : LOL " mandarin goby" , yup I know what you mean Richard, but that fish has often been : put : in the wrong family by hobbyists, who 'think' it is Goby but actually is a Dragonet and : not a Goby : : and whats up with that how stoned was the person that made the link between Callionymidae : and dragonet and "ray fined fishes" : : -- : Boomer : : :) just some minor humor mixed in with minor facts :) : -- : richard reynolds : : : : |
Grounding Probe
Not sure if the last one went thru or not, but here it goes again
I dont mean to SPOLI YOUR GUYS FUN but i would rather get shocked at the tank, then fix the problem than i would come home to findmy fish and corals dead from a weekend of heat or freezing with no light because some GFI circuit decided to trip because somebody is afraid to get shocked, and if afraid of electricity, relax guys, it doesnt hurt, UNLESS you have a serious problem, WELL THEN AGAIN IT LEADS TO HAVING GOOD GROUNDS, not a good GFI!!!!!!!1 screw the GFI, fix the grounds!! wolfhedd. p.s. as i mentioned ebfore, i have been thru college level electronic engineering. "Pszemol" wrote in message ... "mark" wrote in message . ca... what rating of a GFCI should I get? 5-6mA or what ,to insure my safety? Standard, 5-6mA, protects you from geting killed. It will not protect you from just getting shocked. You can feel the current on the level of 1mA. 5mA is already very painful and you GFCI could pass this kind of current without tripping off. If you can get lower rated GFCI - do not buy it... It could trip without a good reason and it could be anoying like hell. And one more thing as a warning - one time I purchased a pluged GFCI and it tripped every time a power outage happened. It did not matter it lasted 1 minute or 1 hour. Power went down, GFCI plug disconnected the circuit :-( My tank powered by this GFCI was shut off for the whole night just because power went down for a minute at 10pm and I did not go to the tank to check things up... Next morning my shrimp was laying bottom up on the sand. It slowly recovered when I turned pumps on and it was a miracle for me... but the GFCI plug went to the garbagge. |
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It came through, Wolf.
However, your best option is a GCFI circuit, a regular circuit, and a grounding probe. ;) Some have been very inventive and installed a series of GCFI outlets under their tank, where each outlet can trip indenpendantly of the other outlets keeping everything else live, and all of that plugged into a regular unprotected circuit. Marc Lone6Wolfpack wrote: Not sure if the last one went thru or not, but here it goes again I dont mean to SPOLI YOUR GUYS FUN but i would rather get shocked at the tank, then fix the problem than i would come home to findmy fish and corals dead from a weekend of heat or freezing with no light because some GFI circuit decided to trip because somebody is afraid to get shocked, and if afraid of electricity, relax guys, it doesnt hurt, UNLESS you have a serious problem, WELL THEN AGAIN IT LEADS TO HAVING GOOD GROUNDS, not a good GFI!!!!!!!1 screw the GFI, fix the grounds!! wolfhedd. p.s. as i mentioned ebfore, i have been thru college level electronic engineering. "Pszemol" wrote in message ... "mark" wrote in message . ca... what rating of a GFCI should I get? 5-6mA or what ,to insure my safety? Standard, 5-6mA, protects you from geting killed. It will not protect you from just getting shocked. You can feel the current on the level of 1mA. 5mA is already very painful and you GFCI could pass this kind of current without tripping off. If you can get lower rated GFCI - do not buy it... It could trip without a good reason and it could be anoying like hell. And one more thing as a warning - one time I purchased a pluged GFCI and it tripped every time a power outage happened. It did not matter it lasted 1 minute or 1 hour. Power went down, GFCI plug disconnected the circuit :-( My tank powered by this GFCI was shut off for the whole night just because power went down for a minute at 10pm and I did not go to the tank to check things up... Next morning my shrimp was laying bottom up on the sand. It slowly recovered when I turned pumps on and it was a miracle for me... but the GFCI plug went to the garbagge. -- Personal Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/oanda/index.html Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com Marine Hobbyist: http://www.melevsreef.com |
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Where does your good ground come from?
I have not one single piece of aquarium equipment that includes a ground line. All are two pole and include only a hot and neutral wire. In that situation, a serious problem is going to result in frying your tank inhabitants before it finally draws the 15 amps required to trip the breaker. If it does not burn down your house as well. If just the hot wire is exposed and considering the conductivity of sea water, it could easily stop the heart of a person who might be solidly grounded at their feet or perhaps the other arm. The ground probe is there to prevent death. Not to drain away minute induced voltages. As Marc suggests, one who uses common sense will incorporate multiple GFCI strips so that a fault in one circuit will not pull down the whole system. Use of a grounding probe is just a sensible safety precaution... And by the way, small electrical shocks may not hurt, but if you would like to put on a public demonstration where you hold a hot wire in one hand and stand on a ground to demonstrate your point for us... Then more power to you. I will certainly attend such a display with my video camera in hand. I am sure I could win 10K from stupidest home videos... Stephen -------------------------------------------------- In-Dash MP3 http://www.highwaymp3.com/ -------------------------------------------------- "Lone6Wolfpack" wrote in message link.net... Not sure if the last one went thru or not, but here it goes again I dont mean to SPOLI YOUR GUYS FUN but i would rather get shocked at the tank, then fix the problem than i would come home to findmy fish and corals dead from a weekend of heat or freezing with no light because some GFI circuit decided to trip because somebody is afraid to get shocked, and if afraid of electricity, relax guys, it doesnt hurt, UNLESS you have a serious problem, WELL THEN AGAIN IT LEADS TO HAVING GOOD GROUNDS, not a good GFI!!!!!!!1 screw the GFI, fix the grounds!! wolfhedd. p.s. as i mentioned ebfore, i have been thru college level electronic engineering. "Pszemol" wrote in message ... "mark" wrote in message . ca... what rating of a GFCI should I get? 5-6mA or what ,to insure my safety? Standard, 5-6mA, protects you from geting killed. It will not protect you from just getting shocked. You can feel the current on the level of 1mA. 5mA is already very painful and you GFCI could pass this kind of current without tripping off. If you can get lower rated GFCI - do not buy it... It could trip without a good reason and it could be anoying like hell. And one more thing as a warning - one time I purchased a pluged GFCI and it tripped every time a power outage happened. It did not matter it lasted 1 minute or 1 hour. Power went down, GFCI plug disconnected the circuit :-( My tank powered by this GFCI was shut off for the whole night just because power went down for a minute at 10pm and I did not go to the tank to check things up... Next morning my shrimp was laying bottom up on the sand. It slowly recovered when I turned pumps on and it was a miracle for me... but the GFCI plug went to the garbagge. |
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Stephen wrote: And by the way, small electrical shocks may not hurt, but if you would like to put on a public demonstration where you hold a hot wire in one hand and stand on a ground to demonstrate your point for us... Then more power to you. "more power to you..." hehehe That was awfully punny. Marc -- Personal Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/oanda/index.html Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com Marine Hobbyist: http://www.melevsreef.com |
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some here just don't get it. If you think GFCI = Bad you need help ASAP. The
GFCI is not there to stop leaking current but to prevent electrocution DUH. Some people drink and drive or ride without seatbelts (this GFCI is no diffrent) and think it's ok, oh well Darwin award nominees. DEAD MEN TELL NO TALES think about it. "Marc Levenson" wrote in message ... Stephen wrote: And by the way, small electrical shocks may not hurt, but if you would like to put on a public demonstration where you hold a hot wire in one hand and stand on a ground to demonstrate your point for us... Then more power to you. "more power to you..." hehehe That was awfully punny. Marc -- Personal Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/oanda/index.html Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com Marine Hobbyist: http://www.melevsreef.com |
Grounding Probe
sounds like a good idea about GFI for each but when you say my best bet, i
respect your opinion, but considering what i said what would that be in my best interest? i dont want my corals and fish dead incase my GFI trips and when i used to get shocked it didnt hurt, and since i grounded everything properly i have no problems, lessening a disaster by GFI tripping. . WolfHedd "Marc Levenson" wrote in message ... It came through, Wolf. However, your best option is a GCFI circuit, a regular circuit, and a grounding probe. ;) Some have been very inventive and installed a series of GCFI outlets under their tank, where each outlet can trip indenpendantly of the other outlets keeping everything else live, and all of that plugged into a regular unprotected circuit. Marc Lone6Wolfpack wrote: Not sure if the last one went thru or not, but here it goes again I dont mean to SPOLI YOUR GUYS FUN but i would rather get shocked at the tank, then fix the problem than i would come home to findmy fish and corals dead from a weekend of heat or freezing with no light because some GFI circuit decided to trip because somebody is afraid to get shocked, and if afraid of electricity, relax guys, it doesnt hurt, UNLESS you have a serious problem, WELL THEN AGAIN IT LEADS TO HAVING GOOD GROUNDS, not a good GFI!!!!!!!1 screw the GFI, fix the grounds!! wolfhedd. p.s. as i mentioned ebfore, i have been thru college level electronic engineering. "Pszemol" wrote in message ... "mark" wrote in message . ca... what rating of a GFCI should I get? 5-6mA or what ,to insure my safety? Standard, 5-6mA, protects you from geting killed. It will not protect you from just getting shocked. You can feel the current on the level of 1mA. 5mA is already very painful and you GFCI could pass this kind of current without tripping off. If you can get lower rated GFCI - do not buy it... It could trip without a good reason and it could be anoying like hell. And one more thing as a warning - one time I purchased a pluged GFCI and it tripped every time a power outage happened. It did not matter it lasted 1 minute or 1 hour. Power went down, GFCI plug disconnected the circuit :-( My tank powered by this GFCI was shut off for the whole night just because power went down for a minute at 10pm and I did not go to the tank to check things up... Next morning my shrimp was laying bottom up on the sand. It slowly recovered when I turned pumps on and it was a miracle for me... but the GFCI plug went to the garbagge. -- Personal Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/oanda/index.html Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com Marine Hobbyist: http://www.melevsreef.com |
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GFi is not bad, they work, have alot of false alarms and dead batteries on
peoples alarm systems cause somebody was using the hairdryer in the bathroom and splashed water on their hair, then they elft, the burglar broke in, took the jewels, customer has the technician come to their house(me) asks me what is wrong, while explaning to me the problem, i let them explain for about 5 seconds until i interrupted them ans asked them if they have a gfi outlet in teh house, they reply with WHATS THAT? so i show them the gfi, and the reset buttons popped out cause of some ****ing hypothetical leak current that hurts nobody except their wallet. i charged them 97 for labor, and 25 for the battery and 137 dollars later, the customer now knows what a gfi outlet is. I DONT WANT ONE ON MY TANK WHERE WATER IS INVOLVED, BELIEVE ME. I TREASURE MY TANK AND MY LIFE. Ground probe is enough. Trust Me. WolfHedd. "J" wrote in message news:vd7Za.104903$YN5.72871@sccrnsc01... some here just don't get it. If you think GFCI = Bad you need help ASAP. The GFCI is not there to stop leaking current but to prevent electrocution DUH. Some people drink and drive or ride without seatbelts (this GFCI is no diffrent) and think it's ok, oh well Darwin award nominees. DEAD MEN TELL NO TALES think about it. "Marc Levenson" wrote in message ... Stephen wrote: And by the way, small electrical shocks may not hurt, but if you would like to put on a public demonstration where you hold a hot wire in one hand and stand on a ground to demonstrate your point for us... Then more power to you. "more power to you..." hehehe That was awfully punny. Marc -- Personal Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/oanda/index.html Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com Marine Hobbyist: http://www.melevsreef.com |
Grounding Probe
GFi is not bad, they work, have alot of false alarms and dead batteries on
peoples alarm systems cause somebody was using the hairdryer in the bathroom and splashed water on their hair, then they elft, the burglar broke in, took the jewels, customer has the technician come to their house(me) asks me what is wrong, while explaning to me the problem, i let them explain for about 5 seconds until i interrupted them ans asked them if they have a gfi outlet in teh house, they reply with WHATS THAT? so i show them the gfi, and the reset buttons popped out cause of some ****ing hypothetical leak current that hurts nobody except their wallet. i charged them 97 for labor, and 25 for the battery and 137 dollars later, the customer now knows what a gfi outlet is. I DONT WANT ONE ON MY TANK WHERE WATER IS INVOLVED, BELIEVE ME. I TREASURE MY TANK AND MY LIFE. Ground probe is enough. Trust Me. WolfHedd. "J" wrote in message news:vd7Za.104903$YN5.72871@sccrnsc01... some here just don't get it. If you think GFCI = Bad you need help ASAP. The GFCI is not there to stop leaking current but to prevent electrocution DUH. Some people drink and drive or ride without seatbelts (this GFCI is no diffrent) and think it's ok, oh well Darwin award nominees. DEAD MEN TELL NO TALES think about it. "Marc Levenson" wrote in message ... Stephen wrote: And by the way, small electrical shocks may not hurt, but if you would like to put on a public demonstration where you hold a hot wire in one hand and stand on a ground to demonstrate your point for us... Then more power to you. "more power to you..." hehehe That was awfully punny. Marc -- Personal Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/oanda/index.html Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com Marine Hobbyist: http://www.melevsreef.com |
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I agree with you. You don't want a dead tank. Neither do I.
I have two circuits to my tanks. One is a GFCI (got the spelling right this time guys?), the other is not. I have half my plugs in the GFCI circuit (lighting, heaters, and such) and some pumps in the regular circuit. The grounding probe goes to the regular circuit. Two days ago, my son woke me up to tell me the tanks were beeping and something was wrong. The lights were on in one tank, and not the other. The 29g reef still had continual flow from my return pump and a powerhead, plugged into a UPS device that was chirping. The 55g was pretty much dead except for two small powerheads in the tank, and the fan and light over the refugium was running. My skimmer, return pump, Tunze pump were all off. That circuit was dead. Went in the garage, and the GFCI was not tripped, and the other breaker beneath is seemed to be fine as well. After a few trips back and forth, testing outlets and rearranging cords, it turns out the regular circuit had tripped - it was the *next* breaker down. I have things marked, but not marked well enough. I'll get this stuff ID'd better for the next time something strange occurs. Btw, in this case, we have had a number of heavy storms and it had tripped the breaker I believe. No losses. Marc Lone6Wolfpack wrote: sounds like a good idea about GFI for each but when you say my best bet, i respect your opinion, but considering what i said what would that be in my best interest? i dont want my corals and fish dead incase my GFI trips and when i used to get shocked it didnt hurt, and since i grounded everything properly i have no problems, lessening a disaster by GFI tripping. . WolfHedd "Marc Levenson" wrote in message ... It came through, Wolf. However, your best option is a GCFI circuit, a regular circuit, and a grounding probe. ;) Some have been very inventive and installed a series of GCFI outlets under their tank, where each outlet can trip indenpendantly of the other outlets keeping everything else live, and all of that plugged into a regular unprotected circuit. Marc Lone6Wolfpack wrote: Not sure if the last one went thru or not, but here it goes again I dont mean to SPOLI YOUR GUYS FUN but i would rather get shocked at the tank, then fix the problem than i would come home to findmy fish and corals dead from a weekend of heat or freezing with no light because some GFI circuit decided to trip because somebody is afraid to get shocked, and if afraid of electricity, relax guys, it doesnt hurt, UNLESS you have a serious problem, WELL THEN AGAIN IT LEADS TO HAVING GOOD GROUNDS, not a good GFI!!!!!!!1 screw the GFI, fix the grounds!! wolfhedd. p.s. as i mentioned ebfore, i have been thru college level electronic engineering. "Pszemol" wrote in message ... "mark" wrote in message . ca... what rating of a GFCI should I get? 5-6mA or what ,to insure my safety? Standard, 5-6mA, protects you from geting killed. It will not protect you from just getting shocked. You can feel the current on the level of 1mA. 5mA is already very painful and you GFCI could pass this kind of current without tripping off. If you can get lower rated GFCI - do not buy it... It could trip without a good reason and it could be anoying like hell. And one more thing as a warning - one time I purchased a pluged GFCI and it tripped every time a power outage happened. It did not matter it lasted 1 minute or 1 hour. Power went down, GFCI plug disconnected the circuit :-( My tank powered by this GFCI was shut off for the whole night just because power went down for a minute at 10pm and I did not go to the tank to check things up... Next morning my shrimp was laying bottom up on the sand. It slowly recovered when I turned pumps on and it was a miracle for me... but the GFCI plug went to the garbagge. -- Personal Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/oanda/index.html Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com Marine Hobbyist: http://www.melevsreef.com -- Personal Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/oanda/index.html Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com Marine Hobbyist: http://www.melevsreef.com |
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