Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

"J R-S" wrote on Mon, 20 Mar 2006:
I am also a step away from entering a university in search of a PhD.

I wrote:
(I graduated with my own PhD a decade ago.)

AverageSchmuck wrote on Tue, 21 Mar 2006:
You know what is disappointing to me .. I am a 30 year old BLUE COLLAR
WORKER without any college education.
Seriously you have a PhD and other person is min a bachelors to claim
themselves an Electronic engineer and you guys seriously are hung up on
creditals and not trying to help.

I think you missed the context a bit, which is why you're interpreting my
reply too strongly.

This started with Jaime, who claimed that we were all ignorant hobbyists,
spending way too much on equipment for our tanks, when a much simpler method
(but secret to Jaime) would be just as successful for much less money. And
that we were all fools, just supporting the corrupt aquarium stores.

And the real key, for Jaime, was that he was a Marine Biologist, whereas we
were all just aquarium hobbyists. That's pretty much the only real claim he
made, since he wouldn't tell us what his cheap trick was (for growing stony
corals without expensive lighting, for example).

So you see, it was Jaime who brought up the idea that credentials matter.
And who constantly claimed (erroneously) to be the only "real" scientist in
this group.

But now, weeks/months later, it turns out that Jaime doesn't have much a formal
education himself, much less in fact than many people on this group. So it's
kind of silly all the effort he spent to indicate how much smarter and more
experienced he was than all the rest of us. That's what prompted my sarcastic
reply.

As it turns out, I agree completely with you. Credentials don't matter. Let's
hear your ideas. Do you have a new way of doing things, or a new suggestion?
Let's hear it! Do you have advice for a reefkeeper with a problem? Go ahead
and share! I'm much more interested in what kind of experience someone has
with actually running and keeping a real reef aquarium, than in any kind of
formal education.

And, for what it's worth, my own PhD was in computer science, so it has almost
nothing to do with anything on this group. It's only given me the perspective
to not be impressed with other people solely because they have a PhD. And of
course, Jaime doesn't even have that, which is why his claim to formal
credentials ("I'm a marine biologist!") is so funny.

So let's forget about this whole thread, and just go back to talking about
growing fish and corals in reef tanks. Sound good?

-- Don
__________________________________________________ _____________________________
Don Geddis http://reef.geddis.org/
If I come back as an animal in my next lifetime, I hope it's some type of
parasite, because this is the part where I take it EASY!
-- Deep Thoughts, by Jack Handey

Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

Then I do apologize to you Don. The only reason I responded to
strongly was simply from all the cheap shots this individual is
receiving. Esspecially over something that really matters none at all.
I get insulted on daily basis sometimes and honestly I rarely ever
respond to it. Not because I am scarred of challenge etc but mostly
due to why bother. Sometimes those insulting me find out in future
that they were wrong we become peaceful and discuss things and totally
forget that we had a rocky beginning. Maybe I have too much hope in
people but I have never given up on people and never will even though
I tend to be elusive cause I at root hate people. if that makes any
sense


On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:09:56 -0800, Don Geddis wrote:

"J R-S" wrote on Mon, 20 Mar 2006:
I am also a step away from entering a university in search of a PhD.

I wrote:
(I graduated with my own PhD a decade ago.)

AverageSchmuck wrote on Tue, 21 Mar 2006:
You know what is disappointing to me .. I am a 30 year old BLUE COLLAR
WORKER without any college education.
Seriously you have a PhD and other person is min a bachelors to claim
themselves an Electronic engineer and you guys seriously are hung up on
creditals and not trying to help.

I think you missed the context a bit, which is why you're interpreting my
reply too strongly.

This started with Jaime, who claimed that we were all ignorant hobbyists,
spending way too much on equipment for our tanks, when a much simpler method
(but secret to Jaime) would be just as successful for much less money. And
that we were all fools, just supporting the corrupt aquarium stores.

And the real key, for Jaime, was that he was a Marine Biologist, whereas we
were all just aquarium hobbyists. That's pretty much the only real claim he
made, since he wouldn't tell us what his cheap trick was (for growing stony
corals without expensive lighting, for example).

So you see, it was Jaime who brought up the idea that credentials matter.
And who constantly claimed (erroneously) to be the only "real" scientist in
this group.

But now, weeks/months later, it turns out that Jaime doesn't have much a formal
education himself, much less in fact than many people on this group. So it's
kind of silly all the effort he spent to indicate how much smarter and more
experienced he was than all the rest of us. That's what prompted my sarcastic
reply.

As it turns out, I agree completely with you. Credentials don't matter. Let's
hear your ideas. Do you have a new way of doing things, or a new suggestion?
Let's hear it! Do you have advice for a reefkeeper with a problem? Go ahead
and share! I'm much more interested in what kind of experience someone has
with actually running and keeping a real reef aquarium, than in any kind of
formal education.

And, for what it's worth, my own PhD was in computer science, so it has almost
nothing to do with anything on this group. It's only given me the perspective
to not be impressed with other people solely because they have a PhD. And of
course, Jaime doesn't even have that, which is why his claim to formal
credentials ("I'm a marine biologist!") is so funny.

So let's forget about this whole thread, and just go back to talking about
growing fish and corals in reef tanks. Sound good?

-- Don
_________________________________________________ ______________________________
Don Geddis http://reef.geddis.org/
If I come back as an animal in my next lifetime, I hope it's some type of
parasite, because this is the part where I take it EASY!
-- Deep Thoughts, by Jack Handey

Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

"AverageSchmuck" wrote in message ...
See when a person makes a claim and doesnt provide data they
have already lost debate until data is provided so no matter how you
see it your point was made leave it their already.

I am not sure if you have noticed Mr. Schmuck, but the debate about his filter
is over for a long time... He lost it long time ago, like you said, not providing data.

Have you checked the newsgroup archives I pointed you at ?

Now he started kind of "second stage". Now he is crying over how
the group treated him... A group of moronic hobbysts treated him,
famous and acomplished scientist. In this thread, some people knowing
his previous claims were just amused with his baby cry... that is all.

Nobody is hoping to get any useful information from this guy anymore.
He can't even corectly state the journal name he wrote an article to...
That is pathetic. End of story.

And you, if you really want to learn about becoming marine biologist,
you better ask somebody successful in this field... Do not ask Jaime,
because his is nobody. He is very confused himself on what to do...

Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

None of us are perfect. One of lifes hardest lessons is humilty. Some
of us obviously never learned it while others have had a healthy dose.

And BTW I could careless about your google link. Some of us have this
group archived for about 6 months back headers and everything so
please stop reminding me of your efficient use of google.

Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

Well little fellow, is OK, whatever you want to think is fine with me. I am
not going to disclose my identity in this forum, take what you have and that
is it.
Now, I have more and better things to do with my time than to answer your
boring replies...

jrs
"Pszemol" wrote in message
...
"J R-S" wrote in message
...
To tell you the truth, the name is Bulletin not journal but I will post
the proper citation here later. No problem, if you just want to dissect
it to find any excuse to challenge my credibility, well, you'll find it.

http://mt7kx4ww9u.search.serialssolu...=B&N=25&B=1400
Let me guess, it was not a "journal" but "bulletin", and not "marine
biology"
but "marine science" or something else - you are not really sure what...
;-)

Nevertheless, please take the veil off, I am not the topic,

YOU are making yourself a topic! Nobody wants that, but you made yet
another topic not related to marine aquariums on this newsgroup...

your over spending on useless technology is...

I am not overspending - my tank is using very natural methods
well known in this hobby before you have even started your first tank.
I wonder when you will realise you are trying to reinvent the wheel...

Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

I am sorry but telling you who I am will not accomplish anything.
If you agree with my posting fine, if you don´t, is fine too.
My researches tell me something totally different from what you are doing
and that is it...
jrs
"Boomer" wrote in message
...
Here let me help you find it

Bulletin of Marine Science, Rosenstiel School of Marine and Atmospheric
Science,
University of Miami, 4600 Rickenbacker Causeway, Miami, Florida

http://www.rsmas.miami.edu/bms/thejournal.html


That is a far cry from the title you gave "Journal of Marine Biology
of the University of Miami"

So, you should now a friend of mine there to back you up, Dr. Frank
Millero. Should I give
him a buzz ??????
--
Boomer

If You See Me Running You Better Catch-Up

Former US Army Bomb Technician (EOD)
Member; IABTI, NATEODA, WEODF, ISEE & IPS

Want to talk chemistry ? The Reef Chemistry Forum
http://www.reefcentral.com/vbulletin/index.php

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http://www.coralrealm.com



"J R-S" wrote in message
...
: To tell you the truth, the name is Bulletin not journal but I will post
the
: proper citation here later. No problem, if you just want to dissect it
to
: find any excuse to challenge my credibility, well, you'll find it.
: Nevertheless, please take the veil off, I am not the topic, your over
: spending on useless technology is...
:
: jrs
:

Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

Wao, even thou you don´t agree with my postings, you really stopped the
scrimmage against me, thanks
But most of them are right, I am the one who brought credentials to the
table not realizing that I couldn´t say who I was nor what I´ve done. Now
is a little too late so I just decided to yield and back off.
Thanks again!

jrs
"AverageSchmuck" wrote in message
...
Then I do apologize to you Don. The only reason I responded to
strongly was simply from all the cheap shots this individual is
receiving. Esspecially over something that really matters none at all.
I get insulted on daily basis sometimes and honestly I rarely ever
respond to it. Not because I am scarred of challenge etc but mostly
due to why bother. Sometimes those insulting me find out in future
that they were wrong we become peaceful and discuss things and totally
forget that we had a rocky beginning. Maybe I have too much hope in
people but I have never given up on people and never will even though
I tend to be elusive cause I at root hate people. if that makes any
sense


On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:09:56 -0800, Don Geddis wrote:

"J R-S" wrote on Mon, 20 Mar 2006:
I am also a step away from entering a university in search of a PhD.

I wrote:
(I graduated with my own PhD a decade ago.)

AverageSchmuck wrote on Tue, 21 Mar 2006:
You know what is disappointing to me .. I am a 30 year old BLUE COLLAR
WORKER without any college education.
Seriously you have a PhD and other person is min a bachelors to claim
themselves an Electronic engineer and you guys seriously are hung up on
creditals and not trying to help.

I think you missed the context a bit, which is why you're interpreting my
reply too strongly.

This started with Jaime, who claimed that we were all ignorant hobbyists,
spending way too much on equipment for our tanks, when a much simpler
method
(but secret to Jaime) would be just as successful for much less money.
And
that we were all fools, just supporting the corrupt aquarium stores.

And the real key, for Jaime, was that he was a Marine Biologist, whereas
we
were all just aquarium hobbyists. That's pretty much the only real claim
he
made, since he wouldn't tell us what his cheap trick was (for growing
stony
corals without expensive lighting, for example).

So you see, it was Jaime who brought up the idea that credentials matter.
And who constantly claimed (erroneously) to be the only "real" scientist
in
this group.

But now, weeks/months later, it turns out that Jaime doesn't have much a
formal
education himself, much less in fact than many people on this group. So
it's
kind of silly all the effort he spent to indicate how much smarter and
more
experienced he was than all the rest of us. That's what prompted my
sarcastic
reply.

As it turns out, I agree completely with you. Credentials don't matter.
Let's
hear your ideas. Do you have a new way of doing things, or a new
suggestion?
Let's hear it! Do you have advice for a reefkeeper with a problem? Go
ahead
and share! I'm much more interested in what kind of experience someone
has
with actually running and keeping a real reef aquarium, than in any kind
of
formal education.

And, for what it's worth, my own PhD was in computer science, so it has
almost
nothing to do with anything on this group. It's only given me the
perspective
to not be impressed with other people solely because they have a PhD. And
of
course, Jaime doesn't even have that, which is why his claim to formal
credentials ("I'm a marine biologist!") is so funny.

So let's forget about this whole thread, and just go back to talking about
growing fish and corals in reef tanks. Sound good?

-- Don
________________________________________________ _______________________________
Don Geddis
http://reef.geddis.org/
If I come back as an animal in my next lifetime, I hope it's some type of
parasite, because this is the part where I take it EASY!
-- Deep Thoughts, by Jack Handey

Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

"J R-S" wrote in message ...
Well little fellow, is OK, whatever you want to think is fine with me. I am
not going to disclose my identity in this forum, take what you have and that
is it.
Now, I have more and better things to do with my time than to answer your
boring replies...

I am sorry to burst your bubble, but... your identity is well known already.

Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

My biggest issue has absolutely nothing to do with pointing of
fingers. Maybe you did bring in the issue but to dwell on it
constantly for day after day. To be honest its not like you all are
debating pure fission or time travel theory. Its an argument
concerning research and creditionals where one party even though
brought it up (ie you) choses not to disclose. Whether it is real or
fake has absolutely no bearing on anything. Just a bunch of people
argueing for the sake of argument. If you chose not to disclose then I
suppose that would be your right just keep in mind their is no
credibilty to a claim that has no data. Not an insult not a stab just
a fact. Personally I would love to beleive it is real research but I
have seen nothing to substantiate it so have to assume fiction
section.


This research do you by chance see an estimated time frame of release?
I hestitate to assume it is for real I do apologize but you have not
given much to beleive that your claim is for real.

Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

Something jsut occured to me in what you just said is it possible that
your signature is on a Non Disclosure Agreement?


But most of them are right, I am the one who brought credentials to the
table not realizing that I couldn´t say who I was nor what I´ve done. Now
is a little too late so I just decided to yield and back off.