blue betta
 

On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 16:15:27 -0500, "Nikki"
wrote:


"Mr. Gardener" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 18:54:38 GMT, Altum
wrote:


Supposedly, one of the ways of treating ich without medicine is to
transfer the fish from tank to tank, moving them daily. As they are
shed the cysts are left behind, at the bottom of the tank. The
procedure is to remove all the fish to the first QT tank at 80F. After
a day, you move them to a second warmed QT and sterilize the first. The
next day, you move the fish to the clean tank and disinfect the other.
You're supposed to move the fish back and forth for seven days and then
they can go home.

I've never tried it because my QT tank is usually not big enough for all
the fish in my display tank. It also sounds stressful for both me and
the fish. And somehow you'd have to try to keep the main tank filter
alive with ammonia.

I've never tried it either, because I never heard of it until a couple
of weeks ago right here, where it took about a dozen patient writers
to explain it to me. The multiple bucket method. I envision doing it
with multiple 5 gallon white buckets with the Tru Value Hardware logo
on the sides, of which I seem to have an endless supply. It looks like
work for me, stress for the fish, drinking stations for the dogs and
entertainment for the cats. This is one of those aquarium treatments
where I am perfectly happy with the chemical approach, to heck with
the all natural solution.


-- Mister Gardener


What i was wondering was if the tank is small enough like 5 gl, (now im not
sure because of the filter i dont know if ich gets in there) but when the
ich falls from the fish 2-3rd day, from what i heard you guys say its in the
rocks, could you not put the fish (betta) in a containter and empty out tank
and boil rocks since ich dies in high temps (i think it does) that is what i
was trying to ask, i see where this would be crazy in a big tank just to
treat ich when you could just use meds, but in a small tank, it was just a
thought, Nikki

PS: what does every one else use for nets and stuff between tanks, so ich
does not spread.

Since I've encountered ich once in my 40 years, my nets simply hang on
separate hooks where they air dry. During the very occasional times
when I'm cleaning stuff with bleach, like preparing a new tank, I'll
stick the nets in there for a few minutes. I know that I will pay for
my laziness someday, but so far, so good.

-- Mister Gardener

blue betta
 

On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 21:33:42 +0000, Gill Passman
wrote:


I make sure that everything is bleached (or at the very least well
rinsed in chlorinated water) when I use equipment between my tanks - I
probably should always ensure the disinfecting of the stuff (but most of
my tanks have had no additions for many, many months and the fish are
healthy - but I still should adhere to things). Stuff like gravel vacs
etc are kept for each tank - costs a bit more but stops cross infection...

Ich will spread in water but dies in air - so make sure that your
syphons and vacs are clear of water, thoroughly rinsed/disinfected
before using in another tank....nets, especially if used to remove dead
fish should be disinfected (I use bleach)...Ich can get into your tanks
even through the addition of plants or anything containing store water
(or water from an infected tank) - I usually give my plants a weak
bleach bath before moving them into another tank...

Good luck....

gill
Well, at least I've got the air drying part right.

-- Mister Gardener

blue betta - Nikki's poached fish
 

On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 21:24:49 +0000, Gill Passman
wrote:


change is slow - it takes patience but doesn't everything in this hobby
of ours :-)

Gill

Yes. In fact, it is beginning to take much longer to read the messages
on rafm, so many people contributing, everyone playing nice . . .

-- Mister Gardener

blue betta - Nikki's poached fish
 

On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 16:35:30 -0500, "Nikki"
wrote:

I was using a therma flow 10$ heater don't quote me but I think 55 watts,
the lowest I had, and there is about 4 gl of water in the tank.
is that what you were asking?? confused sorry to much noise at my house...
Nikki
for what its worth I just bought a few more because that one had become
touchy, so it was my fault

No it wasn't your fault. An item should be expected to perform and
keep performing for many years after purchase.

Heating small tanks has been challenging for me. When I get a half
dozen 2 or 3 gallon tanks of eggs or new fry going . . . sometimes
it's easier to heat the room instead of the tanks. There is one
company that makes small heaters, 25 watts, and they are only 6 inches
or so long. I have a few of those hanging around. I like the old-timey
concept of a breeding cabinet, where several small tanks, up to 10
gallons or so, are set on shelves inside a big cabinet - heat
retention being a major goal.

-- Mister Gardener

blue betta - Nikki's poached fish
 

On 18 Mar 2006 14:44:57 -0800, "Tynk" wrote:


Mr. Gardener wrote:
On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 16:35:30 -0500, "Nikki"
wrote:

I was using a therma flow 10$ heater don't quote me but I think 55 watts,
the lowest I had, and there is about 4 gl of water in the tank.
is that what you were asking?? confused sorry to much noise at my house...
Nikki
for what its worth I just bought a few more because that one had become
touchy, so it was my fault

No it wasn't your fault. An item should be expected to perform and
keep performing for many years after purchase.

Heating small tanks has been challenging for me. When I get a half
dozen 2 or 3 gallon tanks of eggs or new fry going . . . sometimes
it's easier to heat the room instead of the tanks. There is one
company that makes small heaters, 25 watts, and they are only 6 inches
or so long. I have a few of those hanging around. I like the old-timey
concept of a breeding cabinet, where several small tanks, up to 10
gallons or so, are set on shelves inside a big cabinet - heat
retention being a major goal.

-- Mister Gardener

For my 2 1/2g tanks I use a mini submersible by Marineland.
It's labeled *Neptune* Aquarium heater
It's a 25wt heater and is for use *up tp* 5g's. You don't want one that
is pre-set to a specific temp, as the gallons vary and you may fry a
fish, or it chill it. Too hard to deal with. You should always have one
that has a thermostat and temperture control knob.
Not every fish's needs are the same, so the pre set ones are bad, IMO.
I use these heaters in my male Betta tanks, the Betta fry tanks, as
well as other general fish coming into quarantine.
I have never once had a problem.
A sound word of advice:
When it comes to heaters and filtration....
Never skimp. You do get what you pay for in these cases.
Having said that, filtration and temp control are so vital to your
fish/tank's health that you never want to skimp here.
So if you go buy another heater, make sure it is brand that is
recommended and found to be reliable.
Marineland's fine, Tronic, Visatherm are some good ones.
There's another major brand that's the best, but the name has gone
right out of my head.
I'm sure somebody will chime in with it. = )~

Ebo Jager, Whisper Acura - there are more - Visitherm was the 25 watt
I was thinking of - Haven't seen the Marineland Neptune, I'll
bookmark this message.

-- Mister Gardener

blue betta - Nikki's poached fish
 

"Tynk" wrote in message
oups.com...

Mr. Gardener wrote:
On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 16:35:30 -0500, "Nikki"
wrote:

I was using a therma flow 10$ heater don't quote me but I think 55
watts,
the lowest I had, and there is about 4 gl of water in the tank.
is that what you were asking?? confused sorry to much noise at my
house...
Nikki
for what its worth I just bought a few more because that one had become
touchy, so it was my fault

No it wasn't your fault. An item should be expected to perform and
keep performing for many years after purchase.

Heating small tanks has been challenging for me. When I get a half
dozen 2 or 3 gallon tanks of eggs or new fry going . . . sometimes
it's easier to heat the room instead of the tanks. There is one
company that makes small heaters, 25 watts, and they are only 6 inches
or so long. I have a few of those hanging around. I like the old-timey
concept of a breeding cabinet, where several small tanks, up to 10
gallons or so, are set on shelves inside a big cabinet - heat
retention being a major goal.

-- Mister Gardener

For my 2 1/2g tanks I use a mini submersible by Marineland.
It's labeled *Neptune* Aquarium heater
It's a 25wt heater and is for use *up tp* 5g's. You don't want one that
is pre-set to a specific temp, as the gallons vary and you may fry a
fish, or it chill it. Too hard to deal with. You should always have one
that has a thermostat and temperture control knob.
Not every fish's needs are the same, so the pre set ones are bad, IMO.
I use these heaters in my male Betta tanks, the Betta fry tanks, as
well as other general fish coming into quarantine.
I have never once had a problem.
A sound word of advice:
When it comes to heaters and filtration....
Never skimp. You do get what you pay for in these cases.
Having said that, filtration and temp control are so vital to your
fish/tank's health that you never want to skimp here.
So if you go buy another heater, make sure it is brand that is
recommended and found to be reliable.
Marineland's fine, Tronic, Visatherm are some good ones.
There's another major brand that's the best, but the name has gone
right out of my head.
I'm sure somebody will chime in with it. = )~

well it dose have a adjustable temp on it, and until now I have never had a
problem with them, I have them in all my tanks but two of them, and they all
stay around 80 when I put them there, the knob on this one were you adjust
the temp for some reason was touchy, I also had it sitting in the closet for
some time, so who knows it could have got knocked down, it could have just
been old, the newer ones work fine, they are 10$, more for higher watts,
this is the lowest watt I have seen in them, I have two expensive heater on
my guppy tank and my 29 gl and they do nothing different then these ones, on
both you can turn the temp up by adjusting it, and I have used them as long
as I have had tanks, which is a long time, but I get these ones because they
are the only ones there small enough to fit, all the others are to big
nik

blue betta - Nikki's poached fish
 

"Mr. Gardener" wrote in message
...

Calling all hardware experts! Would Nikki's hot water problem have
been any less critical if she had used two heaters in her tank, each
rated for something less that the tank's capacity?
===========================
Speaking only for myself - I believe so. But that only applies to tanks of
20gs or more. Even a 25w can overheat a 10g tank in a warm room. In larger
tanks two small heaters almost guarantee no cooked fish if one sticks. And
your more apt to notice one is always on before it makes the water too warm.
Better to spend a few more bucks and get those that can't stick. I believe
they have the electronic thermostats. I think I'm going to look up heaters
tonight......
--
Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
Aquariums since 1952
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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blue betta - Nikki's poached fish
 

"Nikki" wrote in message
...
I was using a therma flow 10$ heater don't quote me but I think 55 watts,
the lowest I had, and there is about 4 gl of water in the tank.
====================
Hi Nikki, Foster & Smith have 25w heaters for $5.99 and mini heaters of 7ws
for betta tanks but they're $11.99. I don't have heaters in my betta tanks
and they live 4+ years. I moved them from the windowsill to the counter and
now their water stays 75F to 76F day and night. My house is on the warm
side. They're doing great. :-)
--
Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
Aquariums since 1952
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

blue betta - Nikki's poached fish
 

"Mr. Gardener" wrote in message
...

Heating small tanks has been challenging for me. When I get a half
dozen 2 or 3 gallon tanks of eggs or new fry going . . . sometimes
it's easier to heat the room instead of the tanks. There is one
company that makes small heaters, 25 watts, and they are only 6 inches
or so long.
=================
I just dug in my heater draw and mine is a Perfecto but several companies
make the 25w 6" heaters including Visi-Therm and PennPlax.
--
Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
Aquariums since 1952
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

blue betta
 

"Nikki" wrote in message
...

PS: what does every one else use for nets and stuff between tanks, so ich
does not spread.
========================
Nets are cheap so I have about 10 of different sizes. I keep my Q tank nets
separate from my regular nets. I still rinse them in our 140F water after
use. If both Q tanks are in use I soak the nets in a Potassium Permanganate
solution in case one tank may have an infested fish and not the other. I
treat all new fish as though they were Typhoid Marys.
--
Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
Aquariums since 1952
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o