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Aquarists vs Marine Biologists

Findings;
1. A sal****er aquarium runs just fine with a $100 illumination system per
36x17 inches of surface area. The price doubles for coral systems. Meaning
that my system is running with a simple 36" twin tube light bought at Petco
and all the parameters are fine together with my fish...
2. The effect that a $150 skimmer has can be accomplished with a simple air
pump and a few plates of plexiglass.
3. Put in series (the order I keep to myself), a calcareous media, bioballs,
Activated Carbon and a secret ingredient will reduce PO4, NH3, NO2, NO3,
control PH and restore water to a usable level WITHOUT MORE THAN 2 WATER
CHANGES A YEAR.
4. there is a lot more that my technique accomplishes but please, don't
waste your time with a poorly educated freak like me. Go to your petshop
and get what you need...

jrs
"Cindy" wrote in message
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J R-S typed:
Apparently the focus of your attacks are agains me as a person, not
against my findings. That is easily understood since I made a
head-on attack to the establishment and to stupid
conventionalities... I can understand that... Nevertheless, I am
putting my invention on the line and already invited my worst
attacker to see my tank in person. Yes, I live close to Wayne and
after the design is stable, he and anyone else is welcome to see
with your own eyes that the darn thing works!
jrs

What findings??

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AverageSchmuck wrote on Thu, 23 Mar 2006:
I know it takes two to tango and noone is innocent in the mudslinging just
somewhere it has to stop cause it will never stop being negative without
some sort of agreement.

You know, what's odd is that you're the one who is putting in the most energy
to keep this thread going. Half the recent posts in this thread are from
you! Given that Jaime has basically backed down at this point, it probably
would have died already if you didn't continue to tell us about your outrage.
Ironic, huh?

To be honest what I see is a claim that has absolutely no credibility until
data has been offered to support it which none as of this post that I am
aware of so just seems to me a worthless debate until and big if it is
supplied.

All true, but that didn't stop Jaime (before, not so much recently) from
continuing to comment on other reef posts with short phrases like "LOL! Go
ahead and waste your money on expensive lights if you want! Fool!" And no
further explanation.

It's one thing to say Jaime has a claim with no public data yet. It's another
for Jaime to act as though his claim was proven, and insult anyone who did
things the "standard" way.

Jaime's claims are actually intriguing and suggestive. It's frustrating that
he doesn't yet wish to provide more details, but that's his choice. This
debate was always about tone and attitude on this newsgroup; not facts, claims,
or credentials.

-- Don
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Don Geddis http://reef.geddis.org/
When you want to accomplish something, there are different stages that you go
through. The first is to imagine yourself doing whatever it is. The second is
to light up a big cigar, because mister, she's as good as done.
-- Deep Thoughts, by Jack Handey [1999]

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"J R-S" wrote in message ...
Findings;
1. A sal****er aquarium runs just fine with a $100 illumination system per
36x17 inches of surface area. The price doubles for coral systems. Meaning
that my system is running with a simple 36" twin tube light bought at Petco
and all the parameters are fine together with my fish...

a. since when fish require strong illumination for their health?
b. if your system is fish-only, what can you tell about the coral systems ?
c. I am sure you can make fine working fish-only system with a $40 light
fixture from Walmart/HomeDepot, so you wasted $60 for nothing... :-)

2. The effect that a $150 skimmer has can be accomplished with
a simple air pump and a few plates of plexiglass.

I would like to see that... :-))
Wayne, take his invitation and tell me how does it look like! :-))

3. Put in series (the order I keep to myself), a calcareous media, bioballs,
Activated Carbon and a secret ingredient will reduce PO4, NH3, NO2, NO3,
control PH and restore water to a usable level WITHOUT MORE THAN 2 WATER
CHANGES A YEAR.

a. how do you define "usable level"?
b. why bother with expensive bioballs if you have there sand with greater surface?
c. I know big number of aquarists and nobody complains about levels of NH3+ or NO2-
d. how long is your system running to take a valid estimate for 2 water changes per year?

4. there is a lot more that my technique accomplishes but please, don't
waste your time with a poorly educated freak like me. Go to your petshop
and get what you need...

All questions I have asked before in this subject were ignored and you said
"I want to know too much". Now you are not providing any valuable data again.
You do not say what systems you have tested your method with, for how long,
with what kind of biological load, without measurements for fish/coral growth.
I am pretty sure this time you will not provide response to these questions.
But let's see, you can always prove me wrong and answer my questions... :-)

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"Don Geddis" wrote in message ...
Jaime's claims are actually intriguing and suggestive. It's frustrating that
he doesn't yet wish to provide more details, but that's his choice. This
debate was always about tone and attitude on this newsgroup; not facts,
claims, or credentials.

The burden of proof should fall on the claimant.
Extraordinary claims deserve extraordinary proof.

Aquarists vs Marine Biologists

HOLY FREAKING THREADS !
THE LAST ONE THAT WAS THIS LONG WAS "WHAT'S THE BEST SALT "
AND GUESS WHO SPARKED THAT LONG DEBATE UP ?!?!
I'M STARTING TO SEE A PATTERN HERE.
IT SEEMS THAT JR-S IS STARVED FOR ATTENTION.

HE POSTS, HE TICKS EVERYONE OFF. FALLS BACK ON I'M A BIO GUY AND THEN
NEVER BACKS UP ANY OF HIS CLAIMS.

WHY DOESN'T HE POST ANY OF HIS JOURNALS WHEN HE ALWAYS FALLS BACK TO
WELL I'M A MARINE BIO GUY AND I WROTE JOURNALS FOR MIAMI U

JR-S SHOW US YOUR WORK OR FADE TO BLACK.
WE ARE GROWING TIERED OF YOUR CORN HOLE.

"AverageSchmuck" wrote in message
...
yeah I know but even though different approach a still bit of tact and
finesse still prevails in end with a constructive and positive result
versus the slam bash he said she said point finger festival that is
happening now. I know it takes two to tango and noone is innocent in
the mudslinging just somewhere it has to stop cause it will never stop
being negative without some sort of agreement. To be honest what I see
is a claim that has absolutely no credibility until data has been
offered to support it which none as of this post that I am aware of so
just seems to me a worthless debate until and big if it is supplied.

On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:45:55 GMT, Wayne Sallee
wrote:

Depends on how you pick him up :-)

I've caught lion fish with my hands.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets

AverageSchmuck wrote on 3/23/2006 12:28 PM:
Well example .. recently I think my lionfish I beleive dislocated his
jaw .. He went over a week without eating . I simply added nutrients
to water and patiently waited for him to be able to open his mouth
wide enough to eat some scallops and shrimp parts from my acrlic stick
... Today finally he ate a shrimp .. Now if I attacked him do you think
I would have gotten that result? I probably would have ended up with a
very swollen painful hand

On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:22:44 GMT, Wayne Sallee
wrote:

Maybe we have a slight glimmer of hope that he might be
able so offer some value to the newsgroup if he can
straiten his attitude out. He doesn't have a reef tank, so
that limits his knowledge, but maybe he will decide to
spend a little money, so that he can learn what it's
really like to keep a reef aquarium.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets

AverageSchmuck wrote on 3/23/2006 12:12 PM:
Well yeah that part I understand and that was done however why does it
continue?

On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:10:07 GMT, Wayne Sallee
wrote:

Umm no you don't have it now. It's all about his claim to
be better, when he is not. If we had not disputed his
false claims, people could think that because he claimed
to be a biologist, that the way he said to set up a reef
tank would work, and they would then be sorely
disappointed when their corals started dying, because they
took advice from someone that claimed to be a biologist,
and they trusted his advice blindly.

That's the great thing about this newsgroup, is that a
person can post a wrong answer, but there are lots of
other people that can come back and correct the answer.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets

AverageSchmuck wrote on 3/22/2006 12:09 PM:
I think I get get it now ..
1. person made claims that go against what I have learned and
understood and everyone else. Does this make them wrong. Maybe maybe
not
2. Everyone asks for research data anything to back these claims.
3. none provided perosn says they plan on turning future profit
4. still none provided ... people start takeing cheap shots at each
other
5. cheap shots are getting more brutal Both sides here are guilty
6. alleged person is now trying to slow it up a bit but is still not
providing information
7. people still thowing stones at each other

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AverageSchmuck wrote:
It can go on forever without anything positive ever resulting
from it.

Nothing positive will ever result from dealing with Jaimie.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

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Why is everyone so concentrated on stopping him as if he is the Third
Reich or something .. So what!!!!! Seriously why should it bother you
that someone out their feels your wasting your money.. Do you feel
like your wasting your money? I waste my money everyday but hello its
freaking money that is what you do with it waste it have a ball enjoy
it .. when you die its not your money anymore J R-S ability to insult
is uncannly sharp but so what. People act like you have never been
called a name before. Go tell the teacher since he is obviously very
effective in getting under your skin. Has it every occured to you that
he wants your reaction because when you react he knows he already has
you!

Now that portion below has me .. You say "not facts, claims, or
credentials" but wasnt it you that laughed at him over the fact he is
hmm what was the tone you used .. oh yeah in a manner that you
appeared to be better or above him cause you attained a comp sciene
PHD 10 years ago. Seems to me it more about credentials than you say.
So have you glanced over his shoulder at urinal yet to see who is
larger?

Jaime's claims are actually intriguing and suggestive. It's frustrating that
he doesn't yet wish to provide more details, but that's his choice. This
debate was always about tone and attitude on this newsgroup; not facts, claims,
or credentials.

I mean seriously .. Bunch of children and dont worry I wont post to
this thread anylonger!

Aquarists vs Marine Biologists

AverageSchmuck typed:
yeah but wouldnt you say that is a bit immature though.. He started
no he did.. You said she said .. But you did it first .. I got you
last .. etc.. It can go on forever without anything positive ever
resulting from it.

That's true. You are right.
I generally don't post much in this group because there are so many helpful,
knowledgable people who know so much more than I do. I just jumped in here
because whatshisbutt has been such a snot to everyone here who actually know
what they're talking about and can/will back it up. So I'll jump back out
now....

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J R-S typed:
Believe me, I expect that by July it will be finished but, again, I
don't think that releasing anything will change the minds of anyone
here. Thanks God the people that has seen the filter working want
it and I have a pre-order for next year.

jrs

Hey, I hope it's great! I've been thinking for a long time about setting up
my 150 again. If your system is affordable, maybe I'll be able to try it
out. Waiting to see.