Sick koi and need advice (with pics)
 

wrote in message
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lymphocystis ... http://www.glfc.org/tumor/f12.gif
I have one with it, none of my others got it since 1999, so isnt too
contagious. I
have seen carp in the Hudson river with huge carp pox around the mouth,
very healthy
otherwise. Ingrid
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My koi had it for years. None of the other fish caught it. The lesion was
removed along with 1/4" of healthy fin tissue before she went to the man
made stock pond. The other reason was all that catfish and trout chow had
her so healthy she laid thousands of eggs into mid-summer. This created
hundreds of unwanted fry overcrowding whatever pond or tank she was in.
They'd have to be drained down and the fry removed. A real PIA. I decided
with her excessive spawning and the pox.... she had to go.
--
ZB....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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Sick koi and need advice (with pics)
 

"~ jan" wrote in message
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On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 01:33:50 -0600, Zëbulon
wrote:

THANK YOU! I also have permission from the owner of that pond to
release
my culls there.

Unless you can net it, better not... according to what you say below
that
I should do.

So you think it's OK to release "diseased" fish in farm ponds?

Since when is a "cull" a diseased fish? Carol, stay within the message of
the thread you're posting to. Us simple minded folk get quite confused
otherwise.

As do I.


Let me know when you net yours and I'll speak to the owners of the stock
ponds about netting theirs. ;-)

Riiiiight.

OK, I haven't. All we see here are the small herons and cranes which stay
around the lake. They're not known to bother ornamental ponds here.

Then why say "in a previous thread" GBHeron are "around"?

No YOU said they're all over the USA. I said if we have them here I've never
seen one.


You have no idea what I do either so why ACCUSE me of doing anything?

Cause you tell us every day? I can find you in half a dozen forums. You
won't see me telling my life story everywhere.

My life story? I have nothing to be ashamed of - do you?

Heck, right now you're having a jolly time beating the horse, cheap chow
topic, to death in NGP.

And you're having a jolly time beating the "diseased fish" topic to death
here. What's the difference? Pot calling kettle black Jan? Why can't I do
what you do?

snip... it's all be covered several times already. :-)
--
ZB....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({*

Sick koi and need advice (with pics)
 

ah, yea right!
Stlil trying like hell to justify your immoral and illegal act CArol?
Give it up, we all know you for what you truely are!


On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:58:48 -0600, Zëbulon
wrote:


wrote in message
...
lymphocystis ... http://www.glfc.org/tumor/f12.gif
I have one with it, none of my others got it since 1999, so isnt too
contagious. I
have seen carp in the Hudson river with huge carp pox around the mouth,
very healthy
otherwise. Ingrid
================
My koi had it for years. None of the other fish caught it. The lesion was
removed along with 1/4" of healthy fin tissue before she went to the man
made stock pond. The other reason was all that catfish and trout chow had
her so healthy she laid thousands of eggs into mid-summer. This created
hundreds of unwanted fry overcrowding whatever pond or tank she was in.
They'd have to be drained down and the fry removed. A real PIA. I decided
with her excessive spawning and the pox.... she had to go.



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

Sick koi and need advice (with pics)
 

On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:04:35 -0600, Zëbulon
wrote:

snip

Why can't I do
what you do?

snip...

Not hard to figure that out,. You lack morales and scruples and even
the slighrest bit of integrity and honor

Hope that answers your question CArol, as I do think this has been
covered quite a few times previously..


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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

Sick koi and need advice (with pics)
 

"Tristan" wrote in message
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On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:04:35 -0600, Zëbulon
wrote:

snip

Why can't I do
what you do?

snip...

Not hard to figure that out,. You lack morales and scruples and even
the slighrest bit of integrity and honor
=======================
Of course. All cult members make that claim about deprogrammers and those of
us with the gonads to expose these cults. Worse yet I free as many as I can
and will even take them in if necessary. So I've heard it all before from
cult-members. Your accusations and slander is nothing new.
--
ZB....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({*

Sick koi and need advice (with pics)
 

I isolated that koi from the others and then took it to the vet. Oh
what fun it is to transport a large fish to the vet. Anyway, they
took some samples of the fish's spots and had them analyzed. At the
office the vet was able to determine that there was a fungal infection
going on, but he sent the sample of the mass away to the University of
Florida to analysis. They reported that the fish had malignant
carcinoma and that there was nothing that could be done. This was
good news because the alternative was either carp pox or another viral
infection and both of those were contageous and uncurable. Cancer is
not. The fungal infection was probably the result of the fish having
a compromised immune system.

I found out all that information the day after the fish died. I had
it isolated in about 20 gallons of water until I found out what to do
next and was treating it for the fungal infection that I knew it
already had. The water was unfiltered so I would replace half the
water every day and had an aerator bubbling in the water 24/7 and
during the daylight hours a second solar air bubbler kicked in. He
was even eating, but one day I went out to do the daily ritual and as
soon as I took the lid off the container it started to rain. I left
and forgot to put the lid back on which meant the airbubbler wasn't
bubbling in the water. 2 and a half hours later, yes only two and a
half hours later I went out and the fish was dead. I'd like to blame
that on the disease, but that's just the stupid tender nature of koi.
And part of that time a light rain would have been splashing on the
surface! Oh well, it probably woudn't have lived much longer anyway.

Sick koi and need advice (with pics)
 

scs0 wrote:
I isolated that koi from the others and then took it to the vet. Oh
what fun it is to transport a large fish to the vet. Anyway, they
took some samples of the fish's spots and had them analyzed. At the
office the vet was able to determine that there was a fungal infection
going on, but he sent the sample of the mass away to the University of
Florida to analysis. They reported that the fish had malignant
carcinoma and that there was nothing that could be done. This was
good news because the alternative was either carp pox or another viral
infection and both of those were contageous and uncurable. Cancer is
not. The fungal infection was probably the result of the fish having
a compromised immune system.

There was absolutely nothing that you could have done....you have acted
as a responsible fish owner and that is all kudos to you - it is just
very sad that it was untreatable and nothing could be done....but these
things happen from time to time...



I found out all that information the day after the fish died. I had
it isolated in about 20 gallons of water until I found out what to do
next and was treating it for the fungal infection that I knew it
already had. The water was unfiltered so I would replace half the
water every day and had an aerator bubbling in the water 24/7 and
during the daylight hours a second solar air bubbler kicked in. He
was even eating, but one day I went out to do the daily ritual and as
soon as I took the lid off the container it started to rain. I left
and forgot to put the lid back on which meant the airbubbler wasn't
bubbling in the water. 2 and a half hours later, yes only two and a
half hours later I went out and the fish was dead. I'd like to blame
that on the disease, but that's just the stupid tender nature of koi.
And part of that time a light rain would have been splashing on the
surface! Oh well, it probably woudn't have lived much longer anyway.


NO, nothing you did accelerated the demise of the fish in question -
when in doubt you really have to isolate the fish or euthanise.....you
gave it the best chance possible based on what you knew.....and by doing
nothing you could have compromised the health of your other fish.....You
made the right decision and all KUDOS to you for doing it.....

Sorry to hear of your loss :-( but there was nothing you could have
done......

Gill

Sick koi and need advice (with pics)
 

Sorry to hear about losing your koi. After dealing with a few problems
myself a few years back I found that 1) see a problem jump on it quick. 2)
If the problem appears to have gotten to the point where it won't be heal
by fall, put the fish down. Harsh, but saves a lot of worry and stress, and
I didn't put these ponds in to be constantly stressed out over them.

Actually, before #1, practice prevention. Water quality and low stocking
levels. ~ jan

On 10 Mar 2007 16:44:36 -0800, "scs0" wrote:

I isolated that koi from the others and then took it to the vet. Oh
what fun it is to transport a large fish to the vet. Anyway, they
took some samples of the fish's spots and had them analyzed. At the
office the vet was able to determine that there was a fungal infection
going on, but he sent the sample of the mass away to the University of
Florida to analysis. They reported that the fish had malignant
carcinoma and that there was nothing that could be done. This was
good news because the alternative was either carp pox or another viral
infection and both of those were contageous and uncurable. Cancer is
not. The fungal infection was probably the result of the fish having
a compromised immune system.

I found out all that information the day after the fish died. I had
it isolated in about 20 gallons of water until I found out what to do
next and was treating it for the fungal infection that I knew it
already had. The water was unfiltered so I would replace half the
water every day and had an aerator bubbling in the water 24/7 and
during the daylight hours a second solar air bubbler kicked in. He
was even eating, but one day I went out to do the daily ritual and as
soon as I took the lid off the container it started to rain. I left
and forgot to put the lid back on which meant the airbubbler wasn't
bubbling in the water. 2 and a half hours later, yes only two and a
half hours later I went out and the fish was dead. I'd like to blame
that on the disease, but that's just the stupid tender nature of koi.
And part of that time a light rain would have been splashing on the
surface! Oh well, it probably woudn't have lived much longer anyway.