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Can anyone tell me where I have to go to disguise my email addy in this
newsgroup from the spam bots in the future in case this is where they got it? I use OE & IE Thanks - Gale :~) |
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I found it finally (2 hrs later) will try it here - any opinions on whether
this is enough? God, I wish they would get serious with the "got no life" idiots who create this @#$^% - If they don't do something to send them a message the internet will soon become useless Gale :~) remove "one" to reply "Gale Pearce" wrote in message ... Can anyone tell me where I have to go to disguise my email addy in this newsgroup from the spam bots in the future in case this is where they got it? I use OE & IE Thanks - Gale :~) |
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Gale Pearce wrote:
Can anyone tell me where I have to go to disguise my email addy in this newsgroup from the spam bots in the future in case this is where they got it? I use OE & IE Thanks - Gale :~) its not bots, its that your in someones address book that gets infected. almost all viruses target IE and OE programs, I use Netscape for this reason! making an entry in your address book like .000 will make it the 1st entry and the viruses usually stop there. like this name .000 -- http://www.kencofish.com Ken Arnold, 401-781-9642 cell 401-225-0556 Importer/Exporter of Goldfish,Koi,rare Predators Shipping to legal states/countries only! Permalon liners, Oase & Supreme Pondmaster pumps Please Note: No trees or animals were harmed in the sending of this contaminant free message We do concede that a signicant number of electrons may have been inconvenienced ;) |
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"Gale Pearce" wrote:
Can anyone tell me where I have to go to disguise my email addy in this newsgroup from the spam bots in the future in case this is where they got it? I use OE & IE Alas, the Microsoft products are the problem. I use Eudora and Agent and Mozilla, so no problems other than my trash filling up. |
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Thanks Ken - A 'puter whiz as well as a ponder whiz too, eh :~00000000000
Thanks again Gale :~) remove "one" to reply "KenCo" wrote in message ... Gale Pearce wrote: Can anyone tell me where I have to go to disguise my email addy in this newsgroup from the spam bots in the future in case this is where they got it? I use OE & IE Thanks - Gale :~) its not bots, its that your in someones address book that gets infected. almost all viruses target IE and OE programs, I use Netscape for this reason! making an entry in your address book like .000 will make it the 1st entry and the viruses usually stop there. like this name .000 -- http://www.kencofish.com Ken Arnold, 401-781-9642 cell 401-225-0556 Importer/Exporter of Goldfish,Koi,rare Predators Shipping to legal states/countries only! Permalon liners, Oase & Supreme Pondmaster pumps Please Note: No trees or animals were harmed in the sending of this contaminant free message We do concede that a signicant number of electrons may have been inconvenienced ;) |
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On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 11:09:25 -0500, John Hines
wrote: "Gale Pearce" wrote: Can anyone tell me where I have to go to disguise my email addy in this newsgroup from the spam bots in the future in case this is where they got it? I use OE & IE Alas, the Microsoft products are the problem. I use Eudora and Agent and Mozilla, so no problems other than my trash filling up. Ditto though I use Opera instead of Mozilla. Dave |
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Gale Pearce wrote:
I found it finally (2 hrs later) will try it here - any opinions on whether this is enough? God, I wish they would get serious with the "got no life" idiots who create this @#$^% - If they don't do something to send them a message the internet will soon become useless Who is this "they" to whom you refer? :-) Gale :~) remove "one" to reply Well you server will still get hit, though you won't see them. And the mail server will then reply with an unknown user message, clogging up things even more. Either spoof the host name or, if something needs a valid host name before it'll accept your posting, use or something similar. -- Matt Helliwell www.helliwell.me.uk matt at helliwell dot me dot uk |
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I sure hope the disguise works...... this is getting ridiculous.
"Gale Pearce" wrote in message ... Can anyone tell me where I have to go to disguise my email addy in this newsgroup from the spam bots in the future in case this is where they got it? I use OE & IE Thanks - Gale :~) |
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John,
MS products are not the problems, it is the Jerkwad-low-lifes who find it easier to destroy that to create. Eudora, Agent and Mozilla, and, to some extent Netscape, are used by so few that it isn't worth their "precious" time to try and bother these platforms. I think after these last couple of stints viruses that a lot of people are ready to enact the death penalty for this kind of tampering. Well, the death penalty might be a little extreme, but that should be put in a 6X6 cell with nothing but a mattress and a very high window in the cell as the only outside stimulus for at least 15 years, and screw rehabilitation, no matter what their age. I have been pretty diligent about viruses and emails and such to the point I have never had a need for antivirus software, but was hit this last Thursday by a message that looked exactly like the messages that I usually get from Microsoft about updates and warnings. For over 6 years I have never succumbed to a virus until last Thursday. Hopefully, it is cleaned up. My biggest problem was finding antivirus software that will work with Windows95. Golly what a mess. Sorry to all, if my problem was part of the whole problem. Tom L.L. "John Hines" wrote in message ... "Gale Pearce" wrote: Can anyone tell me where I have to go to disguise my email addy in this newsgroup from the spam bots in the future in case this is where they got it? I use OE & IE Alas, the Microsoft products are the problem. I use Eudora and Agent and Mozilla, so no problems other than my trash filling up. |
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Hi Gale,
I'm new to this group as I only dug my pond about 5 weeks ago, I'll post some pictures when I get the time. My pond is about 10'x12' and about 3' deep, it's fed by a waterfall and 35' stream. I've added some plants and 7 golden rudd (from my brothers pond) and then 6 green tench about a week later. Since I added the green tench I've only been able to see 6 of the golden rudd! It only took a heron 4 weeks to find the pond. It's basically a wild life pond and we've also been visited by a fox and got the normal insect and bird life. I've had the normal problems with green water, but it's not been that bad and it cleared fairly quickly to crystal clear. Then I had to do some more work which stirred the muck up that turned the water green, but it's slowly clearing . That the introduction over with regard to your original post you might want to read the following links: Munging and spam resources: http://members.aol.com/emailfaq/mungfaq.html http://webreference.com/outlook/column30/page2.html http://www.forumscentral.com/email/spam.htm Regards nemo On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 11:00:33 -0400, "Gale Pearce" wrote: Can anyone tell me where I have to go to disguise my email addy in this newsgroup from the spam bots in the future in case this is where they got it? I use OE & IE Thanks - Gale :~) |
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Tom La Bron wrote:
Golly what a mess. Sorry to all, if my problem was part of the whole problem. Tom L.L. its nobodys fault as the msg. did look real! what everyone should do is write their reps. and get legislation enacted w/ stiff mandatory sentences for virus writers. as it stands the laws only are used to cover banks and financial types if there hit but im sure they got hit this round! -- http://www.kencofish.com Ken Arnold, 401-781-9642 cell 401-225-0556 Importer/Exporter of Goldfish,Koi,rare Predators Shipping to legal states/countries only! Permalon liners, Oase & Supreme Pondmaster pumps Please Note: No trees or animals were harmed in the sending of this contaminant free message We do concede that a signicant number of electrons may have been inconvenienced ;) |
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Microsoft is not the problem. MS is being attacked because it is the
biggest boy on the block. Apple would be the recipient if it had enough users to make it worthwhile. The blaster virus attacked one of our student's machines who just as you thought that she was safe by using non-MS products. None of my lab machines had a problem because I religiously keep the OS and the virus list updated. If everyone would just keep up with the upgrades and NOT open attachments without knowing exactly what they are the viruses would have a hard time going anywhere. In this case the people to blame are the ones that don't know enough to take care of their own system. There will always be people around that like to push the boundaries and in fact these are the people who usually are the one to lead us onto new and better things. DKat "John Hines" wrote in message ... "Gale Pearce" wrote: Can anyone tell me where I have to go to disguise my email addy in this newsgroup from the spam bots in the future in case this is where they got it? I use OE & IE Alas, the Microsoft products are the problem. I use Eudora and Agent and Mozilla, so no problems other than my trash filling up. |
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Nonsense. You can't legislate against this. What ever happened to personal
responsibility. It is not at all difficult to know enough to keep yourself from becoming infected. DKat "KenCo" wrote in message ... Tom La Bron wrote: Golly what a mess. Sorry to all, if my problem was part of the whole problem. Tom L.L. its nobodys fault as the msg. did look real! what everyone should do is write their reps. and get legislation enacted w/ stiff mandatory sentences for virus writers. as it stands the laws only are used to cover banks and financial types if there hit but im sure they got hit this round! -- http://www.kencofish.com Ken Arnold, 401-781-9642 cell 401-225-0556 Importer/Exporter of Goldfish,Koi,rare Predators Shipping to legal states/countries only! Permalon liners, Oase & Supreme Pondmaster pumps Please Note: No trees or animals were harmed in the sending of this contaminant free message We do concede that a signicant number of electrons may have been inconvenienced ;) |
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Actually a very good point - when I say "they" I am refering to law
enforcement (thinking in a North American context, which we know is useless), I see you are in the U.K. - but there has got to be a way to bring these as******* under control or shut them down - the problem is how much do the other 99.9 % of us have to suffer and pay to do it? Gale :~) remove "one" to reply "Matt Helliwell" wrote in message ... Gale Pearce wrote: I found it finally (2 hrs later) will try it here - any opinions on whether this is enough? God, I wish they would get serious with the "got no life" idiots who create this @#$^% - If they don't do something to send them a message the internet will soon become useless Who is this "they" to whom you refer? :-) Gale :~) remove "one" to reply Well you server will still get hit, though you won't see them. And the mail server will then reply with an unknown user message, clogging up things even more. Either spoof the host name or, if something needs a valid host name before it'll accept your posting, use or something similar. -- Matt Helliwell www.helliwell.me.uk matt at helliwell dot me dot uk |
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dkat wrote:
Nonsense. You can't legislate against this. its already been done but its aimed at banks/ecomm. etc that get hit, then the sentances are stiff. it needs to be 0 tolerance for anyone hit. What ever happened to personal responsibility. It is not at all difficult to know enough to keep yourself from becoming infected. DKat bullcrap, the virus last month hit 150,000+ computers the 1st hr., no antivirus software worked because of how it was written. they updated AV files in 4-5 hrs. but by then 2,000,000+ were infected. even computers w/ firewalls and antivirus running at the same time got hit. this is the virus info source, blaster info http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?date=2003-08-14 its also rumored that the major power outage is a result of the same virus, I think the power companies know a tad more than any of us. they will never publicly admit what caused it ...... -- http://www.kencofish.com Ken Arnold, 401-781-9642 cell 401-225-05565 Importer/Exporter of Goldfish,Koi,rare Predators Shipping to legal states/countries only! Permalon liners, Oase & Supreme Pondmaster pumps Please Note: No trees or animals were harmed in the sending of this contaminant free message We do concede that a signicant number of electrons may have been inconvenienced ;) |
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You say the Blaster Virus attacked a student using a NON-M$ O/S? I was only aware of
Windows XP, or 2000 being vulnerable to this malware. Updating your AV software was no defense against Blaster, simply because of the way it spread. It spread itself through networked systems using a vulnerability in unpatched machines. The short length of time between word about the availability of the patch, and the launch of the worm enabled it to spread to millions of machines, before the administrators got the patches installed. And once the machine was compromised, the actions of the worm itself made cleaning and patching a real challenge. I battled the rotten little bugger on several machines, and ALL of them had the latest update of Norton AV, with the latest virus definitions. What people don't understand, is that files coming in email are scanned as they arrive, by most AV software. The way Blaster works, it sneaks in through an open port, and places its files on the machine. Unless your AV ran a full system scan, and had the definitions which included Blaster, the AV software would not find it. Think of it this way. If you have a filing cabinet in your office, and I slip in through an unlocked door, while no one is using the office, and tuck a stinkbomb in an envelope, in one of thousands of files in your cabinet, and then sneak out completely unseen, you aren't going to find it until it releases its stinky payload, unless you go through the whole filing cabinet, because you didn't see me put it in there. That is how Blaster spreads. Now, if I sent the stinkbomb through the mail, and the secretary smelled something bad, as she prepared to file the incoming envelope, well, then it would be caught. This is the same way AV software works. Antivirus software does not continuously check over every single file on your computer, every single minute of every day. Even if you have the right definitions, if the files sneaks in, in a way your AV program doesn't expect, even the most up to date AV program, and the most savvy user, can get caught with their pants down, so to speak. The key to overcoming these punks is knowledge. If we all just take the time to help newer users, and educate them about the tricks, and exploits that these worthless excuses for human beings use to spread their stupid pranks, someday maybe computer viruses will be a thing of the past...Knowledge is power! The good thing is, ISPs and major companies are getting hit with the cost of dealing with machines infected with these viruses ($$$ talks!), and I am sure that has a lot to do with them finding some of the people responsible for some versions of the Blaster worm! I say we bring back torture, and cruel and unusual punishment, just for these jerks... lol. :) Dee -- Drop "BYE" to email me. :) "dkat" wrote in message . net... Microsoft is not the problem. MS is being attacked because it is the biggest boy on the block. Apple would be the recipient if it had enough users to make it worthwhile. The blaster virus attacked one of our student's machines who just as you thought that she was safe by using non-MS products. None of my lab machines had a problem because I religiously keep the OS and the virus list updated. If everyone would just keep up with the upgrades and NOT open attachments without knowing exactly what they are the viruses would have a hard time going anywhere. In this case the people to blame are the ones that don't know enough to take care of their own system. There will always be people around that like to push the boundaries and in fact these are the people who usually are the one to lead us onto new and better things. DKat "John Hines" wrote in message ... "Gale Pearce" wrote: Can anyone tell me where I have to go to disguise my email addy in this newsgroup from the spam bots in the future in case this is where they got it? I use OE & IE Alas, the Microsoft products are the problem. I use Eudora and Agent and Mozilla, so no problems other than my trash filling up. |
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"Tom La Bron" wrote:
MS products are not the problems, it is the Jerkwad-low-lifes who find it easier to destroy that to create. Eudora, Agent and Mozilla, and, to some extent Netscape, are used by so few that it isn't worth their "precious" time to try and bother these platforms. I prefer to use independent programs, rather than an all-in-one program, this certainly minimizes the risk overall. I think after these last couple of stints viruses that a lot of people are ready to enact the death penalty for this kind of tampering. Well, the death penalty might be a little extreme, but that should be put in a 6X6 cell with nothing but a mattress and a very high window in the cell as the only outside stimulus for at least 15 years, and screw rehabilitation, no matter what their age. Again, why not hold MS to blame? They are the ones claiming to be trustworthy. With any other product, they would be liable. |
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KenCo wrote:
its also rumored that the major power outage is a result of the same virus, I think the power companies know a tad more than any of us. they will never publicly admit what caused it ...... Contributed to the outage, due to the load it placed on the networks. One of many little things that built up to make the big event happen. |
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dkat wrote:
Nonsense. You can't legislate against this. Well of course you can. What ever happened to personal responsibility. It is not at all difficult to know enough to keep yourself from becoming infected. I'm trying to see why the responsibility of keeping a hacker out of my computer rests with me. Why do I have to spend my hard earned money to buy firewalls and anti-virus software? What it sounds like you are saying is that if someone goes down your street painting graffiti all over your house YOU should have built a higher fence. The fact of the matter is that this kind of crap costs everyone an ever increasing amount of money. Joe -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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Come on John,
That is like saying that it is GM's or Ford's fault because you had an accident in their car. Tom L.L. "John Hines" wrote in message ... "Tom La Bron" wrote: MS products are not the problems, it is the Jerkwad-low-lifes who find it easier to destroy that to create. Eudora, Agent and Mozilla, and, to some extent Netscape, are used by so few that it isn't worth their "precious" time to try and bother these platforms. I prefer to use independent programs, rather than an all-in-one program, this certainly minimizes the risk overall. I think after these last couple of stints viruses that a lot of people are ready to enact the death penalty for this kind of tampering. Well, the death penalty might be a little extreme, but that should be put in a 6X6 cell with nothing but a mattress and a very high window in the cell as the only outside stimulus for at least 15 years, and screw rehabilitation, no matter what their age. Again, why not hold MS to blame? They are the ones claiming to be trustworthy. With any other product, they would be liable. |
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While reading this, I started to wonder if OE has an email filtering device.
I can't seem to find it if it does. Can someone point me in the direction? Thanks, Bob -- Check out my pond webpage: Http://trains99.tripod.com Click on the My Pond Link under Places to Go |
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"Bob in PA" wrote in message ... While reading this, I started to wonder if OE has an email filtering device. I can't seem to find it if it does. Can someone point me in the direction? Yes. Click Tools/Message Rules/ Mail tab/ New button. The following was also recently posted by MS MVP Ron Martell: "Here is my OE message rule. It has been 100% effective for the past 2 days: Where the message body contains 'This is the qmail program' or 'Undelivered message to' or 'I'm sorry to have to inform you that I wasn't able to deliver your message' or 'I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message' or 'Undeliverable mail to' or 'all known security vulnerabilities' or 'Undelivered mail to' or 'Undeliverable message to' or 'I'm sorry I wasn't able to deliver your message' or 'Undeliverable to' or 'I'm afraid the message returned below' or 'Undelivered to' or 'An e-mail delivered to you contained a virus' Delete it and Stop processing more rules Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada -- Microsoft MVP On-Line Help Computer Service http://onlinehelp.bc.ca |
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No! Not a non-MS OS - non-MS applications for networking (she was using
all of the apps mentioned by the previous poster... Netscape, Eudora and Agent, Mozilla, etc. She also had the false impression that this would protect her. She also had a firewall and it did nothing. As I said... have your OS updated on a regular basis... MS now has an automatic update that works quite nicely. Get a good Virus detector (I like Norton) and check for updates of the virus list as frequently as you can. Go to a site such as Norton's ( www.symantec.com ) and check regularly to see what is out there (this is one I'm fairly lax on and shouldn't be. D Kat "_Lil_Lamb" wrote in message ... You say the Blaster Virus attacked a student using a NON-M$ O/S? I was only aware of Windows XP, or 2000 being vulnerable to this malware. Updating your AV software was no defense against Blaster, simply because of the way it spread. It spread itself through networked systems using a vulnerability in unpatched machines. The short length of time between word about the availability of the patch, and the launch of the worm enabled it to spread to millions of machines, before the administrators got the patches installed. And once the machine was compromised, the actions of the worm itself made cleaning and patching a real challenge. I battled the rotten little bugger on several machines, and ALL of them had the latest update of Norton AV, with the latest virus definitions. What people don't understand, is that files coming in email are scanned as they arrive, by most AV software. The way Blaster works, it sneaks in through an open port, and places its files on the machine. Unless your AV ran a full system scan, and had the definitions which included Blaster, the AV software would not find it. Think of it this way. If you have a filing cabinet in your office, and I slip in through an unlocked door, while no one is using the office, and tuck a stinkbomb in an envelope, in one of thousands of files in your cabinet, and then sneak out completely unseen, you aren't going to find it until it releases its stinky payload, unless you go through the whole filing cabinet, because you didn't see me put it in there. That is how Blaster spreads. Now, if I sent the stinkbomb through the mail, and the secretary smelled something bad, as she prepared to file the incoming envelope, well, then it would be caught. This is the same way AV software works. Antivirus software does not continuously check over every single file on your computer, every single minute of every day. Even if you have the right definitions, if the files sneaks in, in a way your AV program doesn't expect, even the most up to date AV program, and the most savvy user, can get caught with their pants down, so to speak. The key to overcoming these punks is knowledge. If we all just take the time to help newer users, and educate them about the tricks, and exploits that these worthless excuses for human beings use to spread their stupid pranks, someday maybe computer viruses will be a thing of the past...Knowledge is power! The good thing is, ISPs and major companies are getting hit with the cost of dealing with machines infected with these viruses ($$$ talks!), and I am sure that has a lot to do with them finding some of the people responsible for some versions of the Blaster worm! I say we bring back torture, and cruel and unusual punishment, just for these jerks... lol. :) Dee -- Drop "BYE" to email me. :) "dkat" wrote in message . net... Microsoft is not the problem. MS is being attacked because it is the biggest boy on the block. Apple would be the recipient if it had enough users to make it worthwhile. The blaster virus attacked one of our student's machines who just as you thought that she was safe by using non-MS products. None of my lab machines had a problem because I religiously keep the OS and the virus list updated. If everyone would just keep up with the upgrades and NOT open attachments without knowing exactly what they are the viruses would have a hard time going anywhere. In this case the people to blame are the ones that don't know enough to take care of their own system. There will always be people around that like to push the boundaries and in fact these are the people who usually are the one to lead us onto new and better things. DKat "John Hines" wrote in message ... "Gale Pearce" wrote: Can anyone tell me where I have to go to disguise my email addy in this newsgroup from the spam bots in the future in case this is where they got it? I use OE & IE Alas, the Microsoft products are the problem. I use Eudora and Agent and Mozilla, so no problems other than my trash filling up. |
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Fine... let me rephrase.... You can write laws against or for anything. It
won't do a bloody thing to stop it. Kids will be kids period. The part of their brain that is able to understand the consequences of their actions just isn't there yet especially in the testosterone driven male (us females I would like to claim are more advanced but the testosterone just makes the male more aggressive about being stupid). The part of the brain that makes us hesitate and think does not develop until about the mid twenties. It is the nature of the beast I assume so that humans are able to do all the reckless things that must be done when we are young (challenging the bigger male who is going to beat the #$^% out of you on the wild and crazy chance that you may get lucky and get his territory for example). People must take responsibility for themselves and learn how to maintain their machines and to do preventative actions. I'm a flaming liberal but I'm also for having as few laws and regulations as possible. "KenCo" wrote in message ... its already been done but its aimed at banks/ecomm. etc that get hit, then the sentances are stiff. it needs to be 0 tolerance for anyone hit. dkat wrote: Nonsense. You can't legislate against this. What ever happened to personal responsibility. It is not at all difficult to know enough to keep yourself from becoming infected. DKat bullcrap, the virus last month hit 150,000+ computers the 1st hr., no antivirus software worked because of how it was written. they updated AV files in 4-5 hrs. but by then 2,000,000+ were infected. even computers w/ firewalls and antivirus running at the same time got hit. this is the virus info source, blaster info http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?date=2003-08-14 its also rumored that the major power outage is a result of the same virus, I think the power companies know a tad more than any of us. they will never publicly admit what caused it ...... -- http://www.kencofish.com Ken Arnold, 401-781-9642 cell 401-225-05565 Importer/Exporter of Goldfish,Koi,rare Predators Shipping to legal states/countries only! Permalon liners, Oase & Supreme Pondmaster pumps Please Note: No trees or animals were harmed in the sending of this contaminant free message We do concede that a signicant number of electrons may have been inconvenienced ;) |
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"cat daddy" wrote in message ... "Bob in PA" wrote in message ... While reading this, I started to wonder if OE has an email filtering device. I can't seem to find it if it does. Can someone point me in the direction? Yes. Click Tools/Message Rules/ Mail tab/ New button. Ah, thank you. Bob |
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Microsoft is not the problem. MS is being attacked because it is the
biggest boy on the block. I don't know that I really agree with that. MSFT's technology really is insecure, from the ground up. They have inherent base flaws in their design that there are no easy fixes. They also really rush new code out and force feed it to customers regardless of quality so as to kill off competing high-tech start-ups and that's a big part of the issue as well. Linux is the future, it will take many years but gains market share every year. It has highest market share growth of anything competitive, and best of all, it's free! I used to be an all-microsoft guy all-the-time, but now I use MSFT 50% and Linux 50% daily. My trend is reduction of use of Microsoft. They have some things that are better than Linux, but decreasingly so and when compared to cost and security it's an easier choice. Linux's (UNIX) security model does vastly exceeds Microsoft's. While there are still issues as you point out, it is not so much cut and dry. The Linux model really is better. Microsoft built Windows and added security to it after, Linux worked in reverse, it started with strong / government class security and built everything on top of that. For instance, as a core requirement in the Linux kernel users can't really do anything to the system. They can't delete configuration files, they are pretty much absolutely locked into their own little world... at the kernel level. SO when open a virus on a Linux box that is bad, it bounces around and can't get out of the user's "box" to hurt the system. On Windows that's not true. Even with low-level access on a Windows box you can cheat and do lots and lots of bad things. :) |
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The non-MS applications are irrelevant to Blaster. Since it does not spread itself by
using email, the news/email applications a person chooses to use would not matter. You become infected through Blaster using a security flaw in the operating system itself, to enter the computer through an open port, install itself, and then in turn, affect other unpatched networked computers that it finds accessible. Any unpatched Windows 2000 or XP system, that was not behind a router or firewall that blocked the port access (135, I believe), is open to attack. You really don't even need to have email or newsreader software installed on the machine. :( The sad thing is, as users become more educated, the virus writers become sneakier. I remember when simply not opening attachments would keep you virus free. Then came viruses like Klez, where simply reading, or even previewing the message WITHOUT opening the attachment, would still allow the virus to be run on your machine. Then came the MSN Messenger virus, sending itself as a link in a pop-up IM window. Now a virus that installs itself...I shudder to think "what next?" I think they should institute the punishment of flogging for the punks they catch. Thirty nine lashes... for every computer they infected with their nasty programs. :( It is always best to utilize Windows Update frequently to make sure vulnerabilities are patched as quickly as possible, to avoid these kind of exploits. Dee -- Drop "BYE" to email me. :) "dkat" wrote in message . net... No! Not a non-MS OS - non-MS applications for networking (she was using all of the apps mentioned by the previous poster... Netscape, Eudora and Agent, Mozilla, etc. She also had the false impression that this would protect her. She also had a firewall and it did nothing. As I said... have your OS updated on a regular basis... MS now has an automatic update that works quite nicely. Get a good Virus detector (I like Norton) and check for updates of the virus list as frequently as you can. Go to a site such as Norton's ( www.symantec.com ) and check regularly to see what is out there (this is one I'm fairly lax on and shouldn't be. D Kat "_Lil_Lamb" wrote in message ... You say the Blaster Virus attacked a student using a NON-M$ O/S? I was only aware of Windows XP, or 2000 being vulnerable to this malware. Updating your AV software was no defense against Blaster, simply because of the way it spread. It spread itself through networked systems using a vulnerability in unpatched machines. The short length of time between word about the availability of the patch, and the launch of the worm enabled it to spread to millions of machines, before the administrators got the patches installed. And once the machine was compromised, the actions of the worm itself made cleaning and patching a real challenge. I battled the rotten little bugger on several machines, and ALL of them had the latest update of Norton AV, with the latest virus definitions. What people don't understand, is that files coming in email are scanned as they arrive, by most AV software. The way Blaster works, it sneaks in through an open port, and places its files on the machine. Unless your AV ran a full system scan, and had the definitions which included Blaster, the AV software would not find it. Think of it this way. If you have a filing cabinet in your office, and I slip in through an unlocked door, while no one is using the office, and tuck a stinkbomb in an envelope, in one of thousands of files in your cabinet, and then sneak out completely unseen, you aren't going to find it until it releases its stinky payload, unless you go through the whole filing cabinet, because you didn't see me put it in there. That is how Blaster spreads. Now, if I sent the stinkbomb through the mail, and the secretary smelled something bad, as she prepared to file the incoming envelope, well, then it would be caught. This is the same way AV software works. Antivirus software does not continuously check over every single file on your computer, every single minute of every day. Even if you have the right definitions, if the files sneaks in, in a way your AV program doesn't expect, even the most up to date AV program, and the most savvy user, can get caught with their pants down, so to speak. The key to overcoming these punks is knowledge. If we all just take the time to help newer users, and educate them about the tricks, and exploits that these worthless excuses for human beings use to spread their stupid pranks, someday maybe computer viruses will be a thing of the past...Knowledge is power! The good thing is, ISPs and major companies are getting hit with the cost of dealing with machines infected with these viruses ($$$ talks!), and I am sure that has a lot to do with them finding some of the people responsible for some versions of the Blaster worm! I say we bring back torture, and cruel and unusual punishment, just for these jerks... lol. :) Dee -- Drop "BYE" to email me. :) "dkat" wrote in message . net... Microsoft is not the problem. MS is being attacked because it is the biggest boy on the block. Apple would be the recipient if it had enough users to make it worthwhile. The blaster virus attacked one of our student's machines who just as you thought that she was safe by using non-MS products. None of my lab machines had a problem because I religiously keep the OS and the virus list updated. If everyone would just keep up with the upgrades and NOT open attachments without knowing exactly what they are the viruses would have a hard time going anywhere. In this case the people to blame are the ones that don't know enough to take care of their own system. There will always be people around that like to push the boundaries and in fact these are the people who usually are the one to lead us onto new and better things. DKat "John Hines" wrote in message ... "Gale Pearce" wrote: Can anyone tell me where I have to go to disguise my email addy in this newsgroup from the spam bots in the future in case this is where they got it? I use OE & IE Alas, the Microsoft products are the problem. I use Eudora and Agent and Mozilla, so no problems other than my trash filling up. |
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Critical Popperian wrote: Microsoft is not the problem. MS is being attacked because it is the biggest boy on the block. I don't know that I really agree with that. MSFT's technology really is insecure, from the ground up. They have I agree. Microsoft has known about viruses for a long time and has done nothing about it. Asking everyone to keep their machine updated is like asking everyone to use a more efficient car to conserve fuel; some will and some won't. With respect to not keeping Windows updated, everyone pays. But there are solutions out there. Unix has a layered security model and Java has an even nicer one. You can say run this program but don't let it write any files or send any mail. This type of thing would solve most of the security problems that windows runs up against. It wouldn't help with a bug in the RPC protocol (blaster, I think) but it would remove the current problem. And with all of the money MS makes you'd think they could come up with something to mitigate other problems. So, microsoft might not be the problem but they're not implementing any of a number of known solutions. And since they're the biggest guy on the block they can afford to be more responsible. |
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So pass along the easy way!!
"dkat" wrote in message . net... Nonsense. You can't legislate against this. What ever happened to personal responsibility. It is not at all difficult to know enough to keep yourself from becoming infected. DKat "KenCo" wrote in message ... Tom La Bron wrote: Golly what a mess. Sorry to all, if my problem was part of the whole problem. Tom L.L. its nobodys fault as the msg. did look real! what everyone should do is write their reps. and get legislation enacted w/ stiff mandatory sentences for virus writers. as it stands the laws only are used to cover banks and financial types if there hit but im sure they got hit this round! -- http://www.kencofish.com Ken Arnold, 401-781-9642 cell 401-225-0556 Importer/Exporter of Goldfish,Koi,rare Predators Shipping to legal states/countries only! Permalon liners, Oase & Supreme Pondmaster pumps Please Note: No trees or animals were harmed in the sending of this contaminant free message We do concede that a signicant number of electrons may have been inconvenienced ;) |
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Amen, Joe.
"joe" wrote in message ... dkat wrote: Nonsense. You can't legislate against this. Well of course you can. What ever happened to personal responsibility. It is not at all difficult to know enough to keep yourself from becoming infected. I'm trying to see why the responsibility of keeping a hacker out of my computer rests with me. Why do I have to spend my hard earned money to buy firewalls and anti-virus software? What it sounds like you are saying is that if someone goes down your street painting graffiti all over your house YOU should have built a higher fence. The fact of the matter is that this kind of crap costs everyone an ever increasing amount of money. Joe -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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I started out on Unix (worked at Bell Labs in the late 70's - early 80's)
and I to this day think it was/is the most elegant system out there. I can do file processing things with ease on Unix (Linux terminal) that are burdensome on any other system. When I first came to SUNY I had a NeXT machine - it was at least a decade ahead of windows at the time and had things that even today are lacking in Windows. The problem is that currently Linux while much nicer than it was just a couple of years ago, is not really a "KMart" product that any user can open up and use. As I said I'm experienced with Unix, I am the system administrator in our lab and I beat my head against the wall with Linux. Plus the open software that made Unix so wonderful has turned Linux into a nightmare. There is so much crap on it that it just overwhelms. The reason I defend Windows is that it made computers something everyone and anyone could use. The MAC was really nice but few people could afford them. Windows certainly has many flaws but it survives and flourishes in the business because of what I consider flaws (taking other's developed ideas and incorporating them as their own, ME, all the ones you mentioned, etc.) .... NeXT no longer exists. Most software used to come out as beta versions that would get tested and then marketed. My guess is that the profit margin is just too small to afford that anymore. D Kat "Critical Popperian" wrote in message om... Microsoft is not the problem. MS is being attacked because it is the biggest boy on the block. I don't know that I really agree with that. MSFT's technology really is insecure, from the ground up. They have inherent base flaws in their design that there are no easy fixes. They also really rush new code out and force feed it to customers regardless of quality so as to kill off competing high-tech start-ups and that's a big part of the issue as well. Linux is the future, it will take many years but gains market share every year. It has highest market share growth of anything competitive, and best of all, it's free! I used to be an all-microsoft guy all-the-time, but now I use MSFT 50% and Linux 50% daily. My trend is reduction of use of Microsoft. They have some things that are better than Linux, but decreasingly so and when compared to cost and security it's an easier choice. Linux's (UNIX) security model does vastly exceeds Microsoft's. While there are still issues as you point out, it is not so much cut and dry. The Linux model really is better. Microsoft built Windows and added security to it after, Linux worked in reverse, it started with strong / government class security and built everything on top of that. For instance, as a core requirement in the Linux kernel users can't really do anything to the system. They can't delete configuration files, they are pretty much absolutely locked into their own little world... at the kernel level. SO when open a virus on a Linux box that is bad, it bounces around and can't get out of the user's "box" to hurt the system. On Windows that's not true. Even with low-level access on a Windows box you can cheat and do lots and lots of bad things. :) |
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D Kat wrote:
The reason I defend Windows is that it made computers something everyone and anyone could use. Well, almost everyone and anyone. What they really did was make computers cheap. I have always held the belief that a computer should be simple and intuitive. Windows is neither. Watch a non-serious computer user try to set up a windows network sometime. Or someone who just wants to write a letter with Microsoft Word. The MAC was really nice but few people could afford them. Yes. They were more money, but the level of elegance and usability was way higher. When windows first came out I was writing software for both Macintosh and DOS platforms. We nearly killed ourselves laughing over the "new" windows system. To this day I can put a floppy disk in a wintel box and the computer is still unaware it was loaded; I can get a directory of it, eject it, put in a different floppy and the computer has no idea. Windows certainly has many flaws but it survives and flourishes in the business because of what I consider flaws (taking other's developed ideas and incorporating them as their own, ME, all the ones you mentioned, etc.) I think it flourishes because it has momentum. Microsoft essentially got lucky when IBM said, "hey, we'll use this little DOS thingy you guys wrote to be the operating system for these computers that we wish would just go away." I don't think MS has had a truly innovative day in their history, as you say they pretty much steal or buy what other people develop. Oh well. Joe -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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Joe, This is on the topic of Viruses. How can I stop the infernal
emails from coming in? Has been going on for four days. I really need some help with this. Running Norton SystemWorks. Thanks! Nedra "joe" wrote in message ... D Kat wrote: The reason I defend Windows is that it made computers something everyone and anyone could use. Well, almost everyone and anyone. What they really did was make computers cheap. I have always held the belief that a computer should be simple and intuitive. Windows is neither. Watch a non-serious computer user try to set up a windows network sometime. Or someone who just wants to write a letter with Microsoft Word. The MAC was really nice but few people could afford them. Yes. They were more money, but the level of elegance and usability was way higher. When windows first came out I was writing software for both Macintosh and DOS platforms. We nearly killed ourselves laughing over the "new" windows system. To this day I can put a floppy disk in a wintel box and the computer is still unaware it was loaded; I can get a directory of it, eject it, put in a different floppy and the computer has no idea. Windows certainly has many flaws but it survives and flourishes in the business because of what I consider flaws (taking other's developed ideas and incorporating them as their own, ME, all the ones you mentioned, etc.) I think it flourishes because it has momentum. Microsoft essentially got lucky when IBM said, "hey, we'll use this little DOS thingy you guys wrote to be the operating system for these computers that we wish would just go away." I don't think MS has had a truly innovative day in their history, as you say they pretty much steal or buy what other people develop. Oh well. Joe -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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Nedra wrote:
Joe, This is on the topic of Viruses. How can I stop the infernal emails from coming in? Has been going on for four days. I really need some help with this. Running Norton SystemWorks. Thanks! Nedra use "mailwasher" http://www.mailwasher.net after you install it, when you have mail use the prog. and it will only get the msg headers and allow you to delete the bad ones w/o waiting for them to download. I let it grab msgs, sort by size then use "mail" at top bar, "delete all" then uncheck the good ones. the viruses are 135-165 kb in size so its easy to see them. then hit "process mail" button and there GONE!, now you can get your normal msgs. -- http://www.kencofish.com Ken Arnold, 401-781-9642 cell 401-225-0556 Importer/Exporter of Goldfish,Koi,rare Predators Shipping to legal states/countries only! Permalon liners, Oase & Supreme Pondmaster pumps Please Note: No trees or animals were harmed in the sending of this contaminant free message We do concede that a signicant number of electrons may have been inconvenienced ;) |
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and i find linux to be so much simpler to use than windowz oh well
to each --- own john rutz joe wrote: D Kat wrote: The reason I defend Windows is that it made computers something everyone and anyone could use. Well, almost everyone and anyone. What they really did was make computers cheap. I have always held the belief that a computer should be simple and intuitive. Windows is neither. Watch a non-serious computer user try to set up a windows network sometime. Or someone who just wants to write a letter with Microsoft Word. The MAC was really nice but few people could afford them. Yes. They were more money, but the level of elegance and usability was way higher. When windows first came out I was writing software for both Macintosh and DOS platforms. We nearly killed ourselves laughing over the "new" windows system. To this day I can put a floppy disk in a wintel box and the computer is still unaware it was loaded; I can get a directory of it, eject it, put in a different floppy and the computer has no idea. Windows certainly has many flaws but it survives and flourishes in the business because of what I consider flaws (taking other's developed ideas and incorporating them as their own, ME, all the ones you mentioned, etc.) I think it flourishes because it has momentum. Microsoft essentially got lucky when IBM said, "hey, we'll use this little DOS thingy you guys wrote to be the operating system for these computers that we wish would just go away." I don't think MS has had a truly innovative day in their history, as you say they pretty much steal or buy what other people develop. Oh well. Joe -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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Nedra,
The short answer is you can't keep them from coming in. What I did for my SO was just set Norton antivirus to throw away the infected attachments, rather than quarantine them (I never could understand the quarantine idea, it's a virus - toss it, don't even ask me) You still get the email though. A second option (that I use on my Mac) is to set up a mail rule that if the attachment contains the word .exe, .com or .bat to throw it away. That way I don't see even the email. The only problem is that you may receive an email with such an attachment that you would have liked to receive. Joe Nedra wrote: Joe, This is on the topic of Viruses. How can I stop the infernal emails from coming in? Has been going on for four days. I really need some help with this. Running Norton SystemWorks. -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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In , on 09/24/03
at 01:16 PM, joe said: lucky when IBM said, "hey, we'll use this little DOS thingy you guys wrote to be the operating system for these computers that we wish would just go away." I don't think MS has had a truly innovative day in their history, as you say they pretty much steal or buy what other people develop. IBM totally screwed up when they essentially gave up on OS/2. It's still more secure than Windows. Win virii can't bother my system. Alan -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- **** Please use address alanh(at)min.net to reply via e-mail. **** Posted using registered MR/2 ICE Newsreader #564 and eComStation 1.1 --------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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"joe" wrote in message
... [snipped] I have always held the belief that a computer should be simple and intuitive. Windows is neither. I gave up on the concept that computers should be simple, so I settled for letting Windows' letting me actually see what I was trying to do! (Actually, I've heard rumors that's the basis for the name in the first place.) Watch a non-serious computer user try to set up a windows network sometime. No, thanks, I'm hoping to eat dinner again someday. OTOH, we tried to network 2 home computers; it didn't work so well, so we gave up -- now we just send files back & forth over the Internet! Just kidding. Or someone who just wants to write a letter with Microsoft Word. I can't equate all of Windows' idiosyncrasies with MS Word -- all I know is that I had no trouble using WordPerfect on a Windows computer. WP didn't care how -- or IF -- I formatted my documents (and I even used it for typing complex equations), but Word won't even let me do a shopping list without insisting that I format it! Heaven help me if I want 2 of something before I want 1 of something else! Anne Lurie Raleigh, NC |
OT - MS Word v. WordPerfect [was Microsoft is NOT the problem...]
Anne Lurie wrote:
"joe" wrote in message ... Or someone who just wants to write a letter with Microsoft Word. I can't equate all of Windows' idiosyncrasies with MS Word -- all I knowis that I had no trouble using WordPerfect on a Windows computer. WP didn'tcare how -- or IF -- I formatted my documents (and I even used it fortyping complex equations), but Word won't even let me do a shopping listwithout insisting that I format it! Heaven help me if I want 2 of something before I want 1 of something else! I very strongly agree with you!! Having gone from non-correcting electric typewriters to keypunch data entry to magnetic card or wheel systems, learning to use and using WordPerfect from its first commercial version on made my life as a secretary much easier that Word ever could. The only time I bothered using Word was after it started to "show codes" ala WordPerfect just a few years ago. Before that I was always ending up with tons of formatting changes / glitches that I could neither delete or reset to the way I wanted it. And I only used Word if that was the only thing available in the office. I'd much rather use Notepad without fancy formatting than use Word. -- Zk |
Really, really O/T - you're back
John!!!
I'd been wondering 'cause I had not seen posts from you recently, and I was about to "ping" you..... except that it seemed so presumptuous. Thank goodness, now I won't have to be the lone voice in the Peanut Gallery any more :) Anne Lurie Raleigh, NC "johnrutz" wrote in message ... and i find linux to be so much simpler to use than windowz oh well to each --- own john rutz |
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