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Bill Kerrell March 21st 04 01:32 AM

Salt ...
 
Now that winter is over and the algie is in full bloom .. so it seems. I was wondering about resalting. Our pond was put in in July of last year. We had added salt to start, now is it time to resalt and how much? Our pond is 1500 gallons. Do I broadcast it or put it throught the filter?
Thanks,
Bill - Pensacola, FL

Hal March 21st 04 02:44 PM

Salt ...
 
On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 19:32:27 -0600, "Bill Kerrell"
wrote:

Now that winter is over and the algie is in full bloom .. so it seems. I was wondering about resalting. Our pond was put in in July of last year. We had added salt to start, now is it time to resalt and how much? Our pond is 1500 gallons. Do I broadcast it or put it throught the filter?
Thanks,
Bill - Pensacola, F


I don't usually add salt this time of year. Fish need relatively
little salt in the water for osmoregulation, but I believe it may be
more beneficial to add .1% salt during the winter when the fish immune
system isn't fully working. The added salt stimulates the slime coat
and helps to ward off parasites as the immune system is waking up when
the water temperature warms back into the 50's. I'm past that this
year and I'm 150 miles North of the Florida border.

For next winter add .888 pounds per hundred gallons for a .1%
solution.

Regards,

Hal

Hal March 21st 04 02:44 PM

Salt ...
 
On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 19:32:27 -0600, "Bill Kerrell"
wrote:

Now that winter is over and the algie is in full bloom .. so it seems. I was wondering about resalting. Our pond was put in in July of last year. We had added salt to start, now is it time to resalt and how much? Our pond is 1500 gallons. Do I broadcast it or put it throught the filter?
Thanks,
Bill - Pensacola, F


I don't usually add salt this time of year. Fish need relatively
little salt in the water for osmoregulation, but I believe it may be
more beneficial to add .1% salt during the winter when the fish immune
system isn't fully working. The added salt stimulates the slime coat
and helps to ward off parasites as the immune system is waking up when
the water temperature warms back into the 50's. I'm past that this
year and I'm 150 miles North of the Florida border.

For next winter add .888 pounds per hundred gallons for a .1%
solution.

Regards,

Hal

[email protected] March 21st 04 09:46 PM

Salt ...
 
what is the natural salinity in your water? Ingrid

Hal wrote:
I'm past that this
year and I'm 150 miles North of the Florida border.
Hal




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[email protected] March 21st 04 09:46 PM

Salt ...
 
what is the natural salinity in your water? Ingrid

Hal wrote:
I'm past that this
year and I'm 150 miles North of the Florida border.
Hal




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

Bill Kerrell March 21st 04 09:56 PM

Salt ...
 
OOps I don't know I'll check tho ... Thanks,
Bill
**************
wrote in message
...
what is the natural salinity in your water? Ingrid

Hal wrote:
I'm past that this
year and I'm 150 miles North of the Florida border.
Hal




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.




Bill Kerrell March 21st 04 09:56 PM

Salt ...
 
OOps I don't know I'll check tho ... Thanks,
Bill
**************
wrote in message
...
what is the natural salinity in your water? Ingrid

Hal wrote:
I'm past that this
year and I'm 150 miles North of the Florida border.
Hal




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.




RichToyBox March 22nd 04 01:56 AM

Salt ...
 
There are arguments pro and con on the use of salt. I will stay out of that
argument. Most that use salt routinely will use 0.1% salt. For treating
parasites, the amount needs to be 0.3% and for some of the salt resistant
parasites, 0.6%. The only way to know how much salt to add is to know how
much salt you currently have in your pond. Salt does not evaporate, but is
reduced by water changes. Go to http://www.click2roark.com which require
registration, but a good site, and use the salt calculator.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


"Bill Kerrell" wrote in message
news:Nf67c.19120$Cf3.4087@lakeread01...
Now that winter is over and the algie is in full bloom .. so it seems. I
was wondering about resalting. Our pond was put in in July of last year. We
had added salt to start, now is it time to resalt and how much? Our pond is
1500 gallons. Do I broadcast it or put it throught the filter?
Thanks,
Bill - Pensacola, FL



RichToyBox March 22nd 04 01:56 AM

Salt ...
 
There are arguments pro and con on the use of salt. I will stay out of that
argument. Most that use salt routinely will use 0.1% salt. For treating
parasites, the amount needs to be 0.3% and for some of the salt resistant
parasites, 0.6%. The only way to know how much salt to add is to know how
much salt you currently have in your pond. Salt does not evaporate, but is
reduced by water changes. Go to http://www.click2roark.com which require
registration, but a good site, and use the salt calculator.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


"Bill Kerrell" wrote in message
news:Nf67c.19120$Cf3.4087@lakeread01...
Now that winter is over and the algie is in full bloom .. so it seems. I
was wondering about resalting. Our pond was put in in July of last year. We
had added salt to start, now is it time to resalt and how much? Our pond is
1500 gallons. Do I broadcast it or put it throught the filter?
Thanks,
Bill - Pensacola, FL



Cybe R. Wizard March 22nd 04 04:34 AM

Salt ...
 
On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 01:56:56 GMT
"RichToyBox" wrote:

There are arguments pro and con on the use of salt. I will stay out
of that argument. Most that use salt routinely will use 0.1% salt.
For treating parasites, the amount needs to be 0.3% and for some of
the salt resistant parasites, 0.6%. The only way to know how much
salt to add is to know how much salt you currently have in your pond.
Salt does not evaporate, but is reduced by water changes. Go to
http://www.click2roark.com which require registration, but a good
site, and use the salt calculator.--
RichToyBox


Have I mentioned my own solution? (no pun intended, /oh, sure/)
I drop a box of non-iodized salt with the top cut off directly into my
ponds once a year. Water changes remove it over the course of the year
and the fish self-treat by tail-fanning the salt box then swimming
repeatedly through the stirred up areas. No science behind it, but it
works for me. And the fish, I suppose, since they do pretty well.
(Until I do something /else/ stupid like last fall)

Cybe R. Wizard
--
Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
"Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L

Cybe R. Wizard March 22nd 04 04:34 AM

Salt ...
 
On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 01:56:56 GMT
"RichToyBox" wrote:

There are arguments pro and con on the use of salt. I will stay out
of that argument. Most that use salt routinely will use 0.1% salt.
For treating parasites, the amount needs to be 0.3% and for some of
the salt resistant parasites, 0.6%. The only way to know how much
salt to add is to know how much salt you currently have in your pond.
Salt does not evaporate, but is reduced by water changes. Go to
http://www.click2roark.com which require registration, but a good
site, and use the salt calculator.--
RichToyBox


Have I mentioned my own solution? (no pun intended, /oh, sure/)
I drop a box of non-iodized salt with the top cut off directly into my
ponds once a year. Water changes remove it over the course of the year
and the fish self-treat by tail-fanning the salt box then swimming
repeatedly through the stirred up areas. No science behind it, but it
works for me. And the fish, I suppose, since they do pretty well.
(Until I do something /else/ stupid like last fall)

Cybe R. Wizard
--
Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
"Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L

Nedra March 22nd 04 05:06 AM

Salt ...
 
Cybe R,

How many gallons in your pond? I assume you are
using a pound box of salt?
Sounds doable for my pond.

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"Cybe R. Wizard" Cybe_R_Wizard@WizardsTower wrote in message
news:20040321223630.0035636f@WizardsTower...
On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 01:56:56 GMT
"RichToyBox" wrote:

There are arguments pro and con on the use of salt. I will stay out
of that argument. Most that use salt routinely will use 0.1% salt.
For treating parasites, the amount needs to be 0.3% and for some of
the salt resistant parasites, 0.6%. The only way to know how much
salt to add is to know how much salt you currently have in your pond.
Salt does not evaporate, but is reduced by water changes. Go to
http://www.click2roark.com which require registration, but a good
site, and use the salt calculator.--
RichToyBox


Have I mentioned my own solution? (no pun intended, /oh, sure/)
I drop a box of non-iodized salt with the top cut off directly into my
ponds once a year. Water changes remove it over the course of the year
and the fish self-treat by tail-fanning the salt box then swimming
repeatedly through the stirred up areas. No science behind it, but it
works for me. And the fish, I suppose, since they do pretty well.
(Until I do something /else/ stupid like last fall)

Cybe R. Wizard
--
Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
"Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L




Nedra March 22nd 04 05:06 AM

Salt ...
 
Cybe R,

How many gallons in your pond? I assume you are
using a pound box of salt?
Sounds doable for my pond.

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"Cybe R. Wizard" Cybe_R_Wizard@WizardsTower wrote in message
news:20040321223630.0035636f@WizardsTower...
On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 01:56:56 GMT
"RichToyBox" wrote:

There are arguments pro and con on the use of salt. I will stay out
of that argument. Most that use salt routinely will use 0.1% salt.
For treating parasites, the amount needs to be 0.3% and for some of
the salt resistant parasites, 0.6%. The only way to know how much
salt to add is to know how much salt you currently have in your pond.
Salt does not evaporate, but is reduced by water changes. Go to
http://www.click2roark.com which require registration, but a good
site, and use the salt calculator.--
RichToyBox


Have I mentioned my own solution? (no pun intended, /oh, sure/)
I drop a box of non-iodized salt with the top cut off directly into my
ponds once a year. Water changes remove it over the course of the year
and the fish self-treat by tail-fanning the salt box then swimming
repeatedly through the stirred up areas. No science behind it, but it
works for me. And the fish, I suppose, since they do pretty well.
(Until I do something /else/ stupid like last fall)

Cybe R. Wizard
--
Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
"Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L




Cybe R. Wizard March 22nd 04 06:40 AM

Salt ...
 
On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 05:06:43 GMT
"Nedra" wrote:

Cybe R,

How many gallons in your pond? I assume you are
using a pound box of salt?
Sounds doable for my pond.

Nedra


Best guestimate is 900 gallons in the front pond, 1200 in the back,
although that last figure has changed with the recently begun remodel.
Yep, pound box of salt. I just make sure to do a water trade fairly
often through the season so salt residual isn't a problem next year.

Cybe R. Wizard
--
Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
"Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L

Cybe R. Wizard March 22nd 04 06:40 AM

Salt ...
 
On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 05:06:43 GMT
"Nedra" wrote:

Cybe R,

How many gallons in your pond? I assume you are
using a pound box of salt?
Sounds doable for my pond.

Nedra


Best guestimate is 900 gallons in the front pond, 1200 in the back,
although that last figure has changed with the recently begun remodel.
Yep, pound box of salt. I just make sure to do a water trade fairly
often through the season so salt residual isn't a problem next year.

Cybe R. Wizard
--
Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
"Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L

Nedra March 22nd 04 01:15 PM

Salt ...
 
Thanks for the info, Cybe.
Although my pond is about 3,000 gallons, I think this is
my solution :)

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"Cybe R. Wizard" Cybe_R_Wizard@WizardsTower wrote in message
news:20040322004235.2ba0a92a@WizardsTower...
On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 05:06:43 GMT
"Nedra" wrote:

Cybe R,

How many gallons in your pond? I assume you are
using a pound box of salt?
Sounds doable for my pond.

Nedra


Best guestimate is 900 gallons in the front pond, 1200 in the back,
although that last figure has changed with the recently begun remodel.
Yep, pound box of salt. I just make sure to do a water trade fairly
often through the season so salt residual isn't a problem next year.

Cybe R. Wizard
--
Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
"Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L




Nedra March 22nd 04 01:15 PM

Salt ...
 
Thanks for the info, Cybe.
Although my pond is about 3,000 gallons, I think this is
my solution :)

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"Cybe R. Wizard" Cybe_R_Wizard@WizardsTower wrote in message
news:20040322004235.2ba0a92a@WizardsTower...
On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 05:06:43 GMT
"Nedra" wrote:

Cybe R,

How many gallons in your pond? I assume you are
using a pound box of salt?
Sounds doable for my pond.

Nedra


Best guestimate is 900 gallons in the front pond, 1200 in the back,
although that last figure has changed with the recently begun remodel.
Yep, pound box of salt. I just make sure to do a water trade fairly
often through the season so salt residual isn't a problem next year.

Cybe R. Wizard
--
Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
"Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L




Hal March 22nd 04 05:16 PM

Salt ...
 
On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 21:46:25 GMT, wrote:

what is the natural salinity in your water? Ingrid

Hal wrote:
I'm past that this
year and I'm 150 miles North of the Florida border.
Hal


I'm not sure, but less than .02% out of the tap, which is the lowest
reading with my test kit. The test calls for two drops of #2
solution, but reads the same with one drop. I can't get any closer
because I never measured a half a drop before. :)

After I clean out the plant pond and refill after the fall cleanup I
check and add salt for the winter, bringing it to a .1% solution.
That usually doesn't drop past .04% before I do it again the following
fall.

Regards,

Hal

Hal March 22nd 04 05:16 PM

Salt ...
 
On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 21:46:25 GMT, wrote:

what is the natural salinity in your water? Ingrid

Hal wrote:
I'm past that this
year and I'm 150 miles North of the Florida border.
Hal


I'm not sure, but less than .02% out of the tap, which is the lowest
reading with my test kit. The test calls for two drops of #2
solution, but reads the same with one drop. I can't get any closer
because I never measured a half a drop before. :)

After I clean out the plant pond and refill after the fall cleanup I
check and add salt for the winter, bringing it to a .1% solution.
That usually doesn't drop past .04% before I do it again the following
fall.

Regards,

Hal

Hal March 22nd 04 05:16 PM

Salt ...
 
On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 06:40:20 GMT, "Cybe R. Wizard"
Cybe_R_Wizard@WizardsTower wrote:

Best guestimate is 900 gallons in the front pond, 1200 in the back,
although that last figure has changed with the recently begun remodel.
Yep, pound box of salt. I just make sure to do a water trade fairly
often through the season so salt residual isn't a problem next year.


Adding a 1 lb. box of salt to 900 gallons of water isn't much.
The rate for a .1% solution is .88 lbs per hundred gallons.

Hal March 22nd 04 05:16 PM

Salt ...
 
On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 06:40:20 GMT, "Cybe R. Wizard"
Cybe_R_Wizard@WizardsTower wrote:

Best guestimate is 900 gallons in the front pond, 1200 in the back,
although that last figure has changed with the recently begun remodel.
Yep, pound box of salt. I just make sure to do a water trade fairly
often through the season so salt residual isn't a problem next year.


Adding a 1 lb. box of salt to 900 gallons of water isn't much.
The rate for a .1% solution is .88 lbs per hundred gallons.

Hal March 22nd 04 05:16 PM

Salt ...
 
On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 01:56:56 GMT, "RichToyBox"
wrote:

There are arguments pro and con on the use of salt. I will stay out of that
argument.


There was a statement in SRAC bulletins recommending a small amount
of salt .02% to .05% I think, but I couldn't find it when I went
looking recently. Research changes ideas and if you know of a
reference that advises not to use salt in aquaculture please share it.

Regards,

Hal

Hal March 22nd 04 05:16 PM

Salt ...
 
On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 01:56:56 GMT, "RichToyBox"
wrote:

There are arguments pro and con on the use of salt. I will stay out of that
argument.


There was a statement in SRAC bulletins recommending a small amount
of salt .02% to .05% I think, but I couldn't find it when I went
looking recently. Research changes ideas and if you know of a
reference that advises not to use salt in aquaculture please share it.

Regards,

Hal

Cybe R. Wizard March 22nd 04 11:33 PM

Salt ...
 
On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 12:16:29 -0500
Hal wrote:

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 06:40:20 GMT, "Cybe R. Wizard"
Cybe_R_Wizard@WizardsTower wrote:

Best guestimate is 900 gallons in the front pond, 1200 in the back,
although that last figure has changed with the recently begun
remodel. Yep, pound box of salt. I just make sure to do a water
trade fairly often through the season so salt residual isn't a
problem next year.


Adding a 1 lb. box of salt to 900 gallons of water isn't much.
The rate for a .1% solution is .88 lbs per hundred gallons.


And therein lies the beauty of localized salt; lower total salinity but
plenty of concentrated salt water for the fish to swim around in if they
wish or feel the need.

Cybe R. Wizard
--
Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
"Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L

Cybe R. Wizard March 22nd 04 11:33 PM

Salt ...
 
On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 12:16:29 -0500
Hal wrote:

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 06:40:20 GMT, "Cybe R. Wizard"
Cybe_R_Wizard@WizardsTower wrote:

Best guestimate is 900 gallons in the front pond, 1200 in the back,
although that last figure has changed with the recently begun
remodel. Yep, pound box of salt. I just make sure to do a water
trade fairly often through the season so salt residual isn't a
problem next year.


Adding a 1 lb. box of salt to 900 gallons of water isn't much.
The rate for a .1% solution is .88 lbs per hundred gallons.


And therein lies the beauty of localized salt; lower total salinity but
plenty of concentrated salt water for the fish to swim around in if they
wish or feel the need.

Cybe R. Wizard
--
Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
"Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L

RichToyBox March 23rd 04 01:20 AM

Salt ...
 
When I started ponding, one of the "EXPERTS" at a talk at my local pond
supplier stated that the best thing you can do for the fish is to put one
pound of salt per hundred gallons of water (0.1%). That dosage turns out to
be a little over 0.1%. Others say to save the salt until you need it to
keep from developing salt resistant bugs that cannot be eliminated from the
fish with 0.3% salt. Some of those bugs exist that require 0.6% to kill
today. At 0.1% all of my plants have grown well, though I understand the so
called oxygenators do not tolerate salt well. At 0.3% many plants will let
you know that they are not happy. I continue to use salt.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


"Hal" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 01:56:56 GMT, "RichToyBox"
wrote:

There are arguments pro and con on the use of salt. I will stay out of

that
argument.


There was a statement in SRAC bulletins recommending a small amount
of salt .02% to .05% I think, but I couldn't find it when I went
looking recently. Research changes ideas and if you know of a
reference that advises not to use salt in aquaculture please share it.

Regards,

Hal




RichToyBox March 23rd 04 01:20 AM

Salt ...
 
When I started ponding, one of the "EXPERTS" at a talk at my local pond
supplier stated that the best thing you can do for the fish is to put one
pound of salt per hundred gallons of water (0.1%). That dosage turns out to
be a little over 0.1%. Others say to save the salt until you need it to
keep from developing salt resistant bugs that cannot be eliminated from the
fish with 0.3% salt. Some of those bugs exist that require 0.6% to kill
today. At 0.1% all of my plants have grown well, though I understand the so
called oxygenators do not tolerate salt well. At 0.3% many plants will let
you know that they are not happy. I continue to use salt.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


"Hal" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 01:56:56 GMT, "RichToyBox"
wrote:

There are arguments pro and con on the use of salt. I will stay out of

that
argument.


There was a statement in SRAC bulletins recommending a small amount
of salt .02% to .05% I think, but I couldn't find it when I went
looking recently. Research changes ideas and if you know of a
reference that advises not to use salt in aquaculture please share it.

Regards,

Hal




Hal March 23rd 04 03:24 PM

Salt ...
 
On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 23:33:13 GMT, "Cybe R. Wizard"
Cybe_R_Wizard@WizardsTower wrote:

And therein lies the beauty of localized salt; lower total salinity but
plenty of concentrated salt water for the fish to swim around in if they
wish or feel the need.


So you leave it in the box? I guess that makes something like a salt
deposit? I dropped 10 lbs of solar salt (rock salt) in my plant pond
so it would be in the flow and it was dissolved in a couple days.

Very little salt is needed for osmoregulation, so perhaps you have a
better idea.

Regards,

Hal

Hal March 23rd 04 03:24 PM

Salt ...
 
On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 23:33:13 GMT, "Cybe R. Wizard"
Cybe_R_Wizard@WizardsTower wrote:

And therein lies the beauty of localized salt; lower total salinity but
plenty of concentrated salt water for the fish to swim around in if they
wish or feel the need.


So you leave it in the box? I guess that makes something like a salt
deposit? I dropped 10 lbs of solar salt (rock salt) in my plant pond
so it would be in the flow and it was dissolved in a couple days.

Very little salt is needed for osmoregulation, so perhaps you have a
better idea.

Regards,

Hal

Hal March 23rd 04 03:24 PM

Salt ...
 
On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 01:20:12 GMT, "RichToyBox"
wrote:

Others say to save the salt until you need it to
keep from developing salt resistant bugs that cannot be eliminated from the
fish with 0.3% salt. Some of those bugs exist that require 0.6% to kill
today. At 0.1% all of my plants have grown well, though I understand the so
called oxygenators do not tolerate salt well. At 0.3% many plants will let
you know that they are not happy. I continue to use salt.


Save the heavy doseage of salt until you need it sounds like a good
idea to me too. That is the reason I feel limiting my .1% to winter
application and let it die from rain/water changes is being
conservative.

I don't think I have any oxygenators any more. Parrot feather covers
my plant pond every winter and I only found a few anacharis plants
under it last year, but I don't think .1% salt ever bothered any of my
plants. There was a study on Koivet.com that indicated .1% effected
water hyacinths too, but I couldn't see that. As soon as water
hyacinths become available to me, I'm putting some more into a .1%
salt solution too.

Regards,

Hal

Hal March 23rd 04 03:24 PM

Salt ...
 
On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 01:20:12 GMT, "RichToyBox"
wrote:

Others say to save the salt until you need it to
keep from developing salt resistant bugs that cannot be eliminated from the
fish with 0.3% salt. Some of those bugs exist that require 0.6% to kill
today. At 0.1% all of my plants have grown well, though I understand the so
called oxygenators do not tolerate salt well. At 0.3% many plants will let
you know that they are not happy. I continue to use salt.


Save the heavy doseage of salt until you need it sounds like a good
idea to me too. That is the reason I feel limiting my .1% to winter
application and let it die from rain/water changes is being
conservative.

I don't think I have any oxygenators any more. Parrot feather covers
my plant pond every winter and I only found a few anacharis plants
under it last year, but I don't think .1% salt ever bothered any of my
plants. There was a study on Koivet.com that indicated .1% effected
water hyacinths too, but I couldn't see that. As soon as water
hyacinths become available to me, I'm putting some more into a .1%
salt solution too.

Regards,

Hal

Cybe R. Wizard March 23rd 04 11:36 PM

Salt ...
 
On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:24:11 -0500
Hal wrote:

So you leave it in the box? I guess that makes something like a salt
deposit? I dropped 10 lbs of solar salt (rock salt) in my plant pond
so it would be in the flow and it was dissolved in a couple days.

Very little salt is needed for osmoregulation, so perhaps you have a
better idea.

Regards,

Hal


Yep, pull the top of the box off and gently place it on the bottom,
opening faced upward.

Cybe R. Wizard
--
Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
"Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L

Cybe R. Wizard March 23rd 04 11:36 PM

Salt ...
 
On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:24:11 -0500
Hal wrote:

So you leave it in the box? I guess that makes something like a salt
deposit? I dropped 10 lbs of solar salt (rock salt) in my plant pond
so it would be in the flow and it was dissolved in a couple days.

Very little salt is needed for osmoregulation, so perhaps you have a
better idea.

Regards,

Hal


Yep, pull the top of the box off and gently place it on the bottom,
opening faced upward.

Cybe R. Wizard
--
Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
"Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L

Nedra March 24th 04 12:28 AM

Salt ...
 
I am wondering if our weather is too cold to put the box of
salt in the pond?

Nedra

"Cybe R. Wizard" Cybe_R_Wizard@WizardsTower wrote in message
news:20040323173905.567228c2@WizardsTower...
On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:24:11 -0500
Hal wrote:

So you leave it in the box? I guess that makes something like a salt
deposit? I dropped 10 lbs of solar salt (rock salt) in my plant pond
so it would be in the flow and it was dissolved in a couple days.

Very little salt is needed for osmoregulation, so perhaps you have a
better idea.

Regards,

Hal


Yep, pull the top of the box off and gently place it on the bottom,
opening faced upward.

Cybe R. Wizard
--
Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
"Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L




Nedra March 24th 04 12:28 AM

Salt ...
 
I am wondering if our weather is too cold to put the box of
salt in the pond?

Nedra

"Cybe R. Wizard" Cybe_R_Wizard@WizardsTower wrote in message
news:20040323173905.567228c2@WizardsTower...
On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:24:11 -0500
Hal wrote:

So you leave it in the box? I guess that makes something like a salt
deposit? I dropped 10 lbs of solar salt (rock salt) in my plant pond
so it would be in the flow and it was dissolved in a couple days.

Very little salt is needed for osmoregulation, so perhaps you have a
better idea.

Regards,

Hal


Yep, pull the top of the box off and gently place it on the bottom,
opening faced upward.

Cybe R. Wizard
--
Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
"Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L




joe March 24th 04 12:32 AM

Salt ...
 
Okay, I just have to ask. How the hell do the fish know they need a salt
treatment? ;)


Joe


On 3/22/04 3:33 PM, "Cybe R. Wizard" Cybe_R_Wizard@WizardsTower wrote:

And therein lies the beauty of localized salt; lower total salinity but
plenty of concentrated salt water for the fish to swim around in if they
wish or feel the need.




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joe March 24th 04 12:32 AM

Salt ...
 
Okay, I just have to ask. How the hell do the fish know they need a salt
treatment? ;)


Joe


On 3/22/04 3:33 PM, "Cybe R. Wizard" Cybe_R_Wizard@WizardsTower wrote:

And therein lies the beauty of localized salt; lower total salinity but
plenty of concentrated salt water for the fish to swim around in if they
wish or feel the need.




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[email protected] March 24th 04 01:43 AM

Salt ...
 
it is too cold for salt right now unless there is good movement of water from bottom
to top, otherwise it will sit on the bottom and teh fish sit down and get salt burns.
Ingrid


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[email protected] March 24th 04 01:43 AM

Salt ...
 
it is too cold for salt right now unless there is good movement of water from bottom
to top, otherwise it will sit on the bottom and teh fish sit down and get salt burns.
Ingrid


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Nedra March 24th 04 03:09 AM

Salt ...
 
Thanks Solo. I hadn't thought the question all the way thru
before I asked.

Nedra
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wrote in message
...
it is too cold for salt right now unless there is good movement of water

from bottom
to top, otherwise it will sit on the bottom and teh fish sit down and get

salt burns.
Ingrid


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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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