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Alan Silver August 16th 04 02:11 PM

Any problem with putting sea shells in my tank ?
 
Hello,

We have just come back from holiday and, having done the obligatory days
on the beach, have returned with a small collection of pleasant shells.
These came from the North-East coast of England if it makes any
difference.

Is there any problem with putting these in my cichlid tank ? Obviously I
would wash them first, but do I need to do anything else ?

TIA

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[email protected] August 16th 04 02:48 PM

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:11:54 +0100, Alan Silver
wrote:

Hello,

We have just come back from holiday and, having done the obligatory days
on the beach, have returned with a small collection of pleasant shells.
These came from the North-East coast of England if it makes any
difference.

Is there any problem with putting these in my cichlid tank ? Obviously I
would wash them first, but do I need to do anything else ?

TIA


Lots of "it depends" like the pH of the water and the type of
cichlids.

Give us some more details.


Steve
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Alan Silver August 16th 04 03:06 PM

In message ,
writes
On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:11:54 +0100, Alan Silver
wrote:

Hello,

We have just come back from holiday and, having done the obligatory days
on the beach, have returned with a small collection of pleasant shells.
These came from the North-East coast of England if it makes any
difference.

Is there any problem with putting these in my cichlid tank ? Obviously I
would wash them first, but do I need to do anything else ?

TIA


Lots of "it depends" like the pH of the water and the type of
cichlids.

Give us some more details.


Sorry, I was a bit vague ;-)

pH of the water is about 8, but this is an estimate as my test kit ran
out and I haven't bothered replacing it as I so rarely used it.

The cichlids are Malawis.

Please see
http://fish.alansilver.co.uk/Mark3/ for more details of the
tank and fish.

Hope this is enough. Thanx for the reply.

--
Alan Silver
PSG Fish Tanks - http://fish.alansilver.co.uk/


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Sean M August 16th 04 04:49 PM

adding sea shells to a freshwater tank won't be a good idea since it can
cause a ph spike. I learned the hard way lol



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On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:11:54 +0100, Alan Silver
wrote:

Hello,

We have just come back from holiday and, having done the obligatory days
on the beach, have returned with a small collection of pleasant shells.
These came from the North-East coast of England if it makes any
difference.

Is there any problem with putting these in my cichlid tank ? Obviously I
would wash them first, but do I need to do anything else ?

TIA


Lots of "it depends" like the pH of the water and the type of
cichlids.

Give us some more details.


Sorry, I was a bit vague ;-)

pH of the water is about 8, but this is an estimate as my test kit ran
out and I haven't bothered replacing it as I so rarely used it.

The cichlids are Malawis.

Please see
http://fish.alansilver.co.uk/Mark3/ for more details of the
tank and fish.

Hope this is enough. Thanx for the reply.

--
Alan Silver
PSG Fish Tanks - http://fish.alansilver.co.uk/


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[email protected] August 16th 04 04:59 PM

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:06:20 +0100, Alan Silver
wrote:


pH of the water is about 8, but this is an estimate as my test kit ran
out and I haven't bothered replacing it as I so rarely used it.

The cichlids are Malawis.


That's OK then. The shells will help maintain the slightly alkaline
water that is preferred by Malawi cichlids.


Steve
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Alan Silver August 16th 04 05:38 PM

In message , Sean M
writes
adding sea shells to a freshwater tank won't be a good idea since it can
cause a ph spike. I learned the hard way lol


Except that this is a cichlid tank, and I want hard water. The substrate
is crushed coral and shells !! I wasn't worried about the pH, I was more
worried about diseases, parasites and anything else that may come in
with the shells.

Thanx anyway

"Alan Silver" wrote in message
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In message ,
writes
On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:11:54 +0100, Alan Silver
wrote:

Hello,

We have just come back from holiday and, having done the obligatory days
on the beach, have returned with a small collection of pleasant shells.
These came from the North-East coast of England if it makes any
difference.

Is there any problem with putting these in my cichlid tank ? Obviously I
would wash them first, but do I need to do anything else ?

TIA

Lots of "it depends" like the pH of the water and the type of
cichlids.

Give us some more details.


Sorry, I was a bit vague ;-)

pH of the water is about 8, but this is an estimate as my test kit ran
out and I haven't bothered replacing it as I so rarely used it.

The cichlids are Malawis.

Please see
http://fish.alansilver.co.uk/Mark3/ for more details of the
tank and fish.

Hope this is enough. Thanx for the reply.

--
Alan Silver
PSG Fish Tanks - http://fish.alansilver.co.uk/


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Louamb August 16th 04 08:44 PM

I've had seashells in my cichlid tank for a few years now. What I do is
boil them for about an hour so all the bacterias are gone.

"Alan Silver" wrote in message
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Hello,

We have just come back from holiday and, having done the obligatory days
on the beach, have returned with a small collection of pleasant shells.
These came from the North-East coast of England if it makes any
difference.

Is there any problem with putting these in my cichlid tank ? Obviously I
would wash them first, but do I need to do anything else ?

TIA

--
Alan Silver
PSG Fish Tanks - http://fish.alansilver.co.uk/


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Alan Silver August 17th 04 01:38 PM

In message , Louamb
writes
I've had seashells in my cichlid tank for a few years now. What I do is
boil them for about an hour so all the bacterias are gone.


Thanx, that was what I guessed, but I wanted to check.

Did boiling them spoil them at all ?

"Alan Silver" wrote in message
...
Hello,

We have just come back from holiday and, having done the obligatory days
on the beach, have returned with a small collection of pleasant shells.
These came from the North-East coast of England if it makes any
difference.

Is there any problem with putting these in my cichlid tank ? Obviously I
would wash them first, but do I need to do anything else ?

TIA

--
Alan Silver
PSG Fish Tanks - http://fish.alansilver.co.uk/


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Happy'Cam'per August 17th 04 02:59 PM

"Alan Silver" wrote in message

Did boiling them spoil them at all ?


Hi Alan

Don't bother boiling them, thats just overkill. However, there might be some
remains left in the shells of whatever was inhabiting them at some stage.
Fill a small bucket up halfway, add some salt (alot) and let them sit for a
week, replacing new water every 2 days or so. The shells will be fine in the
tank after this.
If you have enough shells you can crush a few them, put them into an old
nylon stocking and add that to your filter aswell. The more the merrier Imo.
:)
If you ever come across crushed coral at the LFS this can be added too in
liberal ammounts.
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Alan Silver August 17th 04 03:47 PM

In message , Happy'Cam'per
writes
"Alan Silver" wrote in message

Did boiling them spoil them at all ?


Hi Alan

Don't bother boiling them, thats just overkill. However, there might be some
remains left in the shells of whatever was inhabiting them at some stage.
Fill a small bucket up halfway, add some salt (alot) and let them sit for a
week, replacing new water every 2 days or so. The shells will be fine in the
tank after this.


Thanx, that sounds even easier !!

If you have enough shells you can crush a few them, put them into an old
nylon stocking and add that to your filter aswell. The more the merrier Imo.


I don't have that many, just a few nice ones picked up on the beach.

If you ever come across crushed coral at the LFS this can be added too in
liberal ammounts.


The substrate in this tank is basically crushed coral and shells. A few
of the smaller shells survived the crushing, but it's mostly bits.

Ta ra and thanx for the reply.

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Alan Silver
PSG Fish Tanks - http://fish.alansilver.co.uk/
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Cichlidiot August 17th 04 10:05 PM

Happy'Cam'per wrote:
"Alan Silver" wrote in message

Did boiling them spoil them at all ?


Hi Alan


Don't bother boiling them, thats just overkill. However, there might be some
remains left in the shells of whatever was inhabiting them at some stage.
Fill a small bucket up halfway, add some salt (alot) and let them sit for a
week, replacing new water every 2 days or so. The shells will be fine in the
tank after this.
If you have enough shells you can crush a few them, put them into an old
nylon stocking and add that to your filter aswell. The more the merrier Imo.
:)
If you ever come across crushed coral at the LFS this can be added too in
liberal ammounts.


I personally would at the very least let them soak in for a long while
then boil or bake for a short period (an hour seems a bit overkill, 20
mins should be sufficient). Since these are sea shells, saline conditions
may not be effective at killing pathogens. Heat denatures proteins
however, so this would work on any sort of critter present, regardless of
its saline tolerance. At the very least, rinse in totally hot tap water by
putting the bucket under the hot tap and letting it run for 5 mins or so
to completely replace the cold water, then let it set until it's cool
enough to handle. This is assuming your hot tap comes out at 120F or
higher.

Alan Silver August 18th 04 03:36 PM

snip
Don't bother boiling them, thats just overkill. However, there might be some
remains left in the shells of whatever was inhabiting them at some stage.
Fill a small bucket up halfway, add some salt (alot) and let them sit for a
week, replacing new water every 2 days or so. The shells will be fine in the
tank after this.

snip
I personally would at the very least let them soak in for a long while
then boil or bake for a short period (an hour seems a bit overkill, 20
mins should be sufficient). Since these are sea shells, saline conditions
may not be effective at killing pathogens. Heat denatures proteins
however, so this would work on any sort of critter present, regardless of
its saline tolerance. At the very least, rinse in totally hot tap water by
putting the bucket under the hot tap and letting it run for 5 mins or so
to completely replace the cold water, then let it set until it's cool
enough to handle. This is assuming your hot tap comes out at 120F or
higher.


Thanx for the reply. I hadn't thought about the saline tolerance, makes
a lot of sense. Maybe I'll try the very hot water idea and see what
happens.

At the end of the day, if they get spoiled it's not terrible. They're
just some nice shells we picked up on the beach, it's not like I flew to
Indonesia specially to get them !!

Ta ra

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PSG Fish Tanks - http://fish.alansilver.co.uk/
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Brother Numepsy October 29th 04 04:14 AM

As long as the shells are not contaminated with something, you will be fine.
The will in fact help to keep your water buffered. If they were South
American cichlids and you were trying to keep your water at neutral or
slightly acidic, I would say not to add them. The truth of the matter is,
that pH does not matter a whole lot. You do not want it to be fluctuating
all of the time but as long as it is between 6 and 8.5 or so, cichlids will
be fine (with the acception of Discus and Angel Fish). The fish have been
breed in a hatchery most likely; and they probably did not take any special
measures to mimic rift lake conditions. They will be more colorful if your
tank water resembles that of the rift lake from which they came.

"Alan Silver" wrote in message
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Hello,

We have just come back from holiday and, having done the obligatory days
on the beach, have returned with a small collection of pleasant shells.
These came from the North-East coast of England if it makes any
difference.

Is there any problem with putting these in my cichlid tank ? Obviously I
would wash them first, but do I need to do anything else ?

TIA

--
Alan Silver
PSG Fish Tanks - http://fish.alansilver.co.uk/


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