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Herons
Can anyone help? I am a new Koi keeper, I put my first six Koi into my
newly built pond in November. 10 days ago when I wend down to feed them there were only five Koi and three of my gold fish had also gone. I have a Heron that comes to the pond every day. I have tried putting a fake Heron at the side of the pond but the real one keeps coming back. Any ideas on how I can get rid of it? Also since the fish went missing the other Koi and gold fish in the pond will no longer come up to the surface. They sit on the bottom of the pond all the time and wont feed. Any advice would be appreciated. |
"mo" wrote in message oups.com... Can anyone help? I am a new Koi keeper, I put my first six Koi into my newly built pond in November. 10 days ago when I wend down to feed them there were only five Koi and three of my gold fish had also gone. I have a Heron that comes to the pond every day. I have tried putting a fake Heron at the side of the pond but the real one keeps coming back. Any ideas on how I can get rid of it? Also since the fish went missing the other Koi and gold fish in the pond will no longer come up to the surface. They sit on the bottom of the pond all the time and wont feed. Any advice would be appreciated. You might try asking over in rec.ponds. But, pond netting is usually the best option. Just keep it off the surface, so you don't snag the fish. If you're in the southern US, a floating aligator might work. Some people swear by the electric fence, but it was too short to stop my Heron. |
Options for herons
- netting the pond - use a motion activated sprinkler - goldfish decoy, heron goes for it first, gives the fish time to hide in a - black pvc pipe My labradors and I were able to scare a heron away over a two day period. kathy |
Options for herons
- netting the pond - use a motion activated sprinkler - goldfish decoy, heron goes for it first, gives the fish time to hide in a - black pvc pipe My labradors and I were able to scare a heron away over a two day period. kathy |
In article .com,
"mo" wrote: Can anyone help? I am a new Koi keeper, I put my first six Koi into my newly built pond in November. 10 days ago when I wend down to feed them there were only five Koi and three of my gold fish had also gone. I have a Heron that comes to the pond every day. I have tried putting a fake Heron at the side of the pond but the real one keeps coming back. Any ideas on how I can get rid of it? Also since the fish went missing the other Koi and gold fish in the pond will no longer come up to the surface. They sit on the bottom of the pond all the time and wont feed. Any advice would be appreciated. We've been discussing Herons this week. Put bird netting over the pond....... HTH? -- K. Sprout the MungBean to reply "I don't like to commit myself about heaven and hell‹you see, I have friends in both places." --Mark Twain |
Can anyone help? I am a new Koi keeper, I put my first six Koi into my
newly built pond in November. 10 days ago when I wend down to feed them there were only five Koi and three of my gold fish had also gone. I have a Heron that comes to the pond every day. I have tried putting a fake Heron at the side of the pond but the real one keeps coming back. Any ideas on how I can get rid of it? Also since the fish went missing the other Koi and gold fish in the pond will no longer come up to the surface. They sit on the bottom of the pond all the time and wont feed. Any advice would be appreciated. I swear by the motion sprinkler, but you may have to put netting up for awhile, since the heron has fed. Most deterrents work best before the bird has been rewarded. And if Kathy didn't mention it in her list, fake fish, drives them insane. ~ jan See my ponds and filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Wet!~ Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website |
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~ jan JJsPond.us wrote: Can anyone help? I am a new Koi keeper, I put my first six Koi into my newly built pond in November. 10 days ago when I wend down to feed them there were only five Koi and three of my gold fish had also gone. I have a Heron that comes to the pond every day. I have tried putting a fake Heron at the side of the pond but the real one keeps coming back. Any ideas on how I can get rid of it? Also since the fish went missing the other Koi and gold fish in the pond will no longer come up to the surface. They sit on the bottom of the pond all the time and wont feed. Any advice would be appreciated. I swear by the motion sprinkler, but you may have to put netting up for awhile, since the heron has fed. Most deterrents work best before the bird has been rewarded. And if Kathy didn't mention it in her list, fake fish, drives them insane. ~ jan Where do you get fish decoys??? That sounds like a marvelous idea! Black PVC pipe for hides? The fish use that? -- K. Sprout the MungBean to reply "I don't like to commit myself about heaven and hell--you see, I have friends in both places." --Mark Twain |
Shoot the darn thing and be done with it..
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 00:09:25 -0600, Katra wrote: ===In article , === ~ jan JJsPond.us wrote: === === Can anyone help? I am a new Koi keeper, I put my first six Koi into my === newly built pond in November. 10 days ago when I wend down to feed === them there were only five Koi and three of my gold fish had also gone. === I have a Heron that comes to the pond every day. I have tried putting === a fake Heron at the side of the pond but the real one keeps coming === back. Any ideas on how I can get rid of it? Also since the fish went === missing the other Koi and gold fish in the pond will no longer come up === to the surface. They sit on the bottom of the pond all the time and === wont feed. Any advice would be appreciated. === === I swear by the motion sprinkler, but you may have to put netting up for === awhile, since the heron has fed. Most deterrents work best before the bird === has been rewarded. And if Kathy didn't mention it in her list, fake fish, === drives them insane. ~ jan === === === ===Where do you get fish decoys??? === ===That sounds like a marvelous idea! === ===Black PVC pipe for hides? The fish use that? REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies! Jo Ann asked Dr. Sooooooooooooooooolow to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS |
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 00:09:25 -0600, Katra
wrote: ===In article , === ~ jan JJsPond.us wrote: === === Can anyone help? I am a new Koi keeper, I put my first six Koi into my === newly built pond in November. 10 days ago when I wend down to feed === them there were only five Koi and three of my gold fish had also gone. === I have a Heron that comes to the pond every day. I have tried putting === a fake Heron at the side of the pond but the real one keeps coming === back. Any ideas on how I can get rid of it? Also since the fish went === missing the other Koi and gold fish in the pond will no longer come up === to the surface. They sit on the bottom of the pond all the time and === wont feed. Any advice would be appreciated. === === I swear by the motion sprinkler, but you may have to put netting up for === awhile, since the heron has fed. Most deterrents work best before the bird === has been rewarded. And if Kathy didn't mention it in her list, fake fish, === drives them insane. ~ jan === === === ===Where do you get fish decoys??? === ===That sounds like a marvelous idea! === ===Black PVC pipe for hides? The fish use that? Yea you too, I have you kill filed.............. REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies! Jo Ann asked Dr. Sooooooooooooooooolow to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS |
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"mo" wrote in message oups.com... Can anyone help? I am a new Koi keeper, I put my first six Koi into my newly built pond in November. 10 days ago when I wend down to feed them there were only five Koi and three of my gold fish had also gone. I have a Heron that comes to the pond every day. I have tried putting a fake Heron at the side of the pond but the real one keeps coming back. Any ideas on how I can get rid of it? Also since the fish went missing the other Koi and gold fish in the pond will no longer come up to the surface. They sit on the bottom of the pond all the time and wont feed. Any advice would be appreciated. We've got some info on herons on our web site, http://www.iheartmypond.com/Animals/Birds/Heron/. On rec.ponds, this topic comes up a lot. People have tried many solutions, such as netting, decoys, etc. It seems the most successful method has been the water sprinkler scarecrow. Here's a mini-url of the product on Amazon, http://ihmp.net/@/qp. Many rec.ponders swear by this product for racoons, dogs, heron, small children and spouses. -- BV Webporgmaster of iheartmypond.com http://www.iheartmypond.com/Animals/Birds/Heron/ I'll be leaning on the bus stop post. |
"Roy" wrote in message ... Shoot the darn thing and be done with it.. snip So is this what you consider good advice for newbies? -- BV Webporgmaster of iheartmypond.com http://www.iheartmypond.com I'll be leaning on the bus stop post. |
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ShooTHOK Shuttup. -- ah |
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 00:09:25 -0600, Katra
wrote: In article , ~ jan JJsPond.us wrote: Can anyone help? I am a new Koi keeper, I put my first six Koi into my newly built pond in November. 10 days ago when I wend down to feed them there were only five Koi and three of my gold fish had also gone. I have a Heron that comes to the pond every day. I have tried putting a fake Heron at the side of the pond but the real one keeps coming back. Any ideas on how I can get rid of it? Also since the fish went missing the other Koi and gold fish in the pond will no longer come up to the surface. They sit on the bottom of the pond all the time and wont feed. Any advice would be appreciated. I swear by the motion sprinkler, but you may have to put netting up for awhile, since the heron has fed. Most deterrents work best before the bird has been rewarded. And if Kathy didn't mention it in her list, fake fish, drives them insane. ~ jan Where do you get fish decoys??? That sounds like a marvelous idea! Black PVC pipe for hides? The fish use that? I put 3 pieces of 8" black plastic corrugated pipe in my pond, about 2 feet long. Used a torch to soften the cut edges before dropping in, and put a few small stones in each to keep them on the bottom. I've seen them in there after a heron visited this summer, so I think it works. YMMV Mike Mike Patterson Please remove the spamtrap to email me. "I always wanted to be somebody...I should have been more specific..." - Lily Tomlin |
The only way I have managed to keep herons away was to net the pond.
If you make a frame with the net tacked on to it, place it over the pond. It can be lifted off when you're out in the Garden. "Bill Stock" wrote in message ... "mo" wrote in message oups.com... Can anyone help? I am a new Koi keeper, I put my first six Koi into my newly built pond in November. 10 days ago when I wend down to feed them there were only five Koi and three of my gold fish had also gone. I have a Heron that comes to the pond every day. I have tried putting a fake Heron at the side of the pond but the real one keeps coming back. Any ideas on how I can get rid of it? Also since the fish went missing the other Koi and gold fish in the pond will no longer come up to the surface. They sit on the bottom of the pond all the time and wont feed. Any advice would be appreciated. You might try asking over in rec.ponds. But, pond netting is usually the best option. Just keep it off the surface, so you don't snag the fish. If you're in the southern US, a floating aligator might work. Some people swear by the electric fence, but it was too short to stop my Heron. |
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In article . com,
"kathy" wrote: Go here http://ihmp.net/@/y The device is called a Heron Scarer. kathy :-) Cool! :-) I've never shopped Froogle before. Obviously Herons are a huge universal problem if they make products specifically for them eh? -- K. Sprout the MungBean to reply "I don't like to commit myself about heaven and hell‹you see, I have friends in both places." --Mark Twain |
Uhhh, Put netting over your Koi pond and that's it. My grandad had the same problem with the herons. OK john |
In rec.ponds kathy wrote:
My labradors and I were able to scare a heron away over a two day period. Don't discount the power of dogs. I saw on that Animal Planet "dog jobs" (or maybe it was the breed profile, forget exactly) show that a fish breeder in FL uses trained dogs to scare away migratory birds. The dogs were trained to chase and bark at any birds that try to land in their area, but not to touch or attack the birds (thus keeping them legal in terms of the migratory bird act). The dogs were also under constant supervision by a handler to make sure they adhered to their training. According to the story, it made a significant reduction in losses to have the dogs around the outdoor stock ponds. |
"mo" wrote in message oups.com... Can anyone help? I am a new Koi keeper, I put my first six Koi into my newly built pond in November. 10 days ago when I wend down to feed them there were only five Koi and three of my gold fish had also gone. I have a Heron that comes to the pond every day. ** NOTHING keeps herons out of a pond but netting! Get the bird netting at ACE Hardware or any Hardware store. It's less expensive than in Pet Shops or online. Some people will recommend water sprayers ($100.00) or wire/strings around the pond - they don't work for long! I have tried putting a fake Heron at the side of the pond but the real one keeps coming back. Any ideas on how I can get rid of it? Also since the fish went missing the other Koi and gold fish in the pond will no longer come up to the surface. They sit on the bottom of the pond all the time and wont feed. Any advice would be appreciated. -- Carol.... the frugal ponder... "Eat Right, Exercise, Die Anyway." ~~~~~~~ }((((((o "They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same." http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html Completely FREE softwa http://www.pricelessware.org/thelist/index.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
"kathy" wrote in message ups.com... Options for herons - netting the pond - use a motion activated sprinkler - goldfish decoy, heron goes for it first, gives the fish time to hide in a - black pvc pipe My labradors and I were able to scare a heron away over a two day period. kathy ================= That worked for me as well,... for about a week and they came back! Only a net works 100% of the time. -- Carol.... the frugal ponder... "Eat Right, Exercise, Die Anyway." ~~~~~~~ }((((((o "They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same." http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html Completely FREE softwa http://www.pricelessware.org/thelist/index.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message ... I swear by the motion sprinkler, but you may have to put netting up for awhile, since the heron has fed. Most deterrents work best before the bird has been rewarded. And if Kathy didn't mention it in her list, fake fish, drives them insane. ~ jan ===================== The herons here took the fake fish one time,... learned their lesson and went back to the real fish ignoring the fake completely. -- Carol.... the frugal ponder... "Eat Right, Exercise, Die Anyway." ~~~~~~~ }((((((o "They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same." http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html Completely FREE softwa http://www.pricelessware.org/thelist/index.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
"Katra" wrote in message ... Where do you get fish decoys??? $ There was a place online that sold them. However I stumbled upon mine in a store in Atlanta GA for $1.99 each. :-) Keep in mind that herons are very intelligent so this is only a temporary deterrent. That sounds like a marvelous idea! $ Until you can get netting - it is. Black PVC pipe for hides? The fish use that? $ Mine didn't. The heron waits, as still as death, until the fish finally sneak out - then they get the fish. -- Carol.... the frugal ponder... "Eat Right, Exercise, Die Anyway." ~~~~~~~ }((((((o "They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same." http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html Completely FREE softwa http://www.pricelessware.org/thelist/index.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
In rec.ponds Benign Vanilla wrote:
"Roy" wrote in message ... Shoot the darn thing and be done with it.. snip So is this what you consider good advice for newbies? Hmm, go on vacation, come back to find a troll named Roy has taken up residence. BV, don't bother replying to Roy. The more people that do reply to him (particularly "ah" with the autoreply, that's utterly pointless and just ups the signal to noise ratio), the more he will post. I regular another newsgroup that has had a resident troll for years. For the most part, newbies quickly recognize that the person is a troll by the nature of his postings. The more the regulars ignore the resident troll, the less clutter the newsgroup has. The threads that have the worst signal to noise ratio are the ones where people reply to the troll there. Seeing similar trends here when perusing the old messages for the last couple of weeks. Just hold to the old "wait and count to 10" adage when you feel tempted to reply. Although in this case it is worthwhile to point out that what Roy has "suggested" is illegal under the migratory bird act. Which is another point in favor of labeling him a troll. |
"kathy" wrote in message ups.com... Go here http://ihmp.net/@/y The device is called a Heron Scarer. ========================= The herons will learn to fish from right next to the scarer so they don't get sprinkled. They land and come up behind it. Herons are very intelligent birds/predators. It's another temporary waste of money where herons are concerned. If the hose pops or leaks and you're asleep or away from home for the day, you're water bill will be sky high. Also these water scarers are useless against King Fishers, fish eating snakes, fish eating turtles and fish eating bullfrogs. -- Carol.... the frugal ponder... "Eat Right, Exercise, Die Anyway." ~~~~~~~ }((((((o Completely FREE softwa http://www.pricelessware.org/thelist/index.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
"Katra" wrote in message ... In article . com, "kathy" wrote: Go here http://ihmp.net/@/y The device is called a Heron Scarer. kathy :-) Cool! :-) I've never shopped Froogle before. Obviously Herons are a huge universal problem if they make products specifically for them eh? ==================== And in the end only bird netting works. :-( -- Carol.... the frugal ponder... "Eat Right, Exercise, Die Anyway." ~~~~~~~ }((((((o ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
"Mike Patterson" wrote in message ... I've seen them in there after a heron visited this summer, so I think it works. ==================== Trust me. It doesn't. The herons will stand as still as death until the fish forget it's there and venture out - then the heron strikes. I watched and saw it happen from my dining room window. We were replacing koi monthly and it was both heart breaking and expensive. I tried everything, then finally got the fine, strong black bird netting. We never lost another fish. The net also works with the other fish predators in many areas. -- Carol.... the frugal ponder... "Eat Right, Exercise, Die Anyway." ~~~~~~~ }((((((o "They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same." http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html Completely FREE softwa http://www.pricelessware.org/thelist/index.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
"Benign Vanilla" wrote in message ... We've got some info on herons on our web site, http://www.iheartmypond.com/Animals/Birds/Heron/. On rec.ponds, this topic comes up a lot. People have tried many solutions, such as netting, decoys, etc. It seems the most successful method has been the water sprinkler scarecrow. ## The herons learn to fish from behind or next to it to avoid the spray. They're useless against King Fishers, bullfrogs, water snakes and fish eating snapping turtles. Here's a mini-url of the product on Amazon, http://ihmp.net/@/qp. Many rec.ponders swear by this product for racoons, dogs, heron, small children and spouses. ## LOL! :-D -- Carol.... the frugal ponder... "Eat Right, Exercise, Die Anyway." ~~~~~~~ }((((((o "They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same." http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html Completely FREE softwa http://www.pricelessware.org/thelist/index.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
Carol wrote And in the end only bird netting works
Netting is always an option but some people really don't want to net their ponds. For them it spoils the look, makes it hard to work in the pond, ruins the look of tall marginals, gets blown off, for me it is a danger for my dogs, younger children, the squirrels and the birds. Herons have stabbed through nets, green herons have wriggled under nets. If you tangle up a heron in your net and kill it you have some serious explaining to do to the feds. Other options DO work for other ponders so I think it is important to list them as they DO work. I most always list netting as an option but other options DO WORK for other ponders. kathy |
Carol wrote And in the end only bird netting works
Netting is always an option but some people really don't want to net their ponds. For them it spoils the look, makes it hard to work in the pond, ruins the look of tall marginals, gets blown off, for me it is a danger for my dogs, younger children, the squirrels and the birds. Herons have stabbed through nets, green herons have wriggled under nets. If you tangle up a heron in your net and kill it you have some serious explaining to do to the feds. Other options DO work for other ponders so I think it is important to list them as they DO work. I most always list netting as an option but other options DO WORK for other ponders. kathy |
"Cichlidiot" wrote in message ... In rec.ponds kathy wrote: My labradors and I were able to scare a heron away over a two day period. Don't discount the power of dogs. I saw on that Animal Planet "dog jobs" (or maybe it was the breed profile, forget exactly) show that a fish breeder in FL uses trained dogs to scare away migratory birds. The dogs were trained to chase and bark at any birds that try to land in their area, but not to touch or attack the birds (thus keeping them legal in terms of the migratory bird act). The dogs were also under constant supervision by a handler to make sure they adhered to their training. According to the story, it made a significant reduction in losses to have the dogs around the outdoor stock ponds. My dog does that. Can I rent her out? LOL. -- BV Webporgmaster of iheartmypond.com http://www.iheartmypond.com I'll be leaning on the bus stop post. |
"Cichlidiot" wrote in message ... snip Hmm, go on vacation, come back to find a troll named Roy has taken up residence. BV, don't bother replying to Roy. The more people that do reply to him (particularly "ah" with the autoreply, that's utterly pointless and just ups the signal to noise ratio), the more he will post. I regular another newsgroup that has had a resident troll for years. For the most part, newbies quickly recognize that the person is a troll by the nature of his postings. The more the regulars ignore the resident troll, the less clutter the newsgroup has. The threads that have the worst signal to noise ratio are the ones where people reply to the troll there. Seeing similar trends here when perusing the old messages for the last couple of weeks. Just hold to the old "wait and count to 10" adage when you feel tempted to reply. snip Yer right. 100% right. I promise to ignore him from now on. -- BV Webporgmaster of iheartmypond.com http://www.iheartmypond.com I'll be leaning on the bus stop post. |
"kathy" wrote in message oups.com... Carol wrote And in the end only bird netting works Netting is always an option but some people really don't want to net their ponds. For them it spoils the look, makes it hard to work in the pond, ruins the look of tall marginals, gets blown off, for me it is a danger for my dogs, younger children, the squirrels and the birds. Herons have stabbed through nets, green herons have wriggled under nets. If you tangle up a heron in your net and kill it you have some serious explaining to do to the feds. Other options DO work for other ponders so I think it is important to list them as they DO work. I most always list netting as an option but other options DO WORK for other ponders. I concure. The hooting, hollering, flapping your arms, screaming while your dog barks at you technique is so far working well for me. -- BV Webporgmaster of iheartmypond.com http://www.iheartmypond.com I'll be leaning on the bus stop post. |
"~ Windsong ~" P@P wrote in message ... snip ** NOTHING keeps herons out of a pond but netting! Get the bird netting at ACE Hardware or any Hardware store. It's less expensive than in Pet Shops or online. Some people will recommend water sprayers ($100.00) or wire/strings around the pond - they don't work for long! snip Check out this video of a Heron fishing through some wire http://www.iheartmypond.com/Animals/...on/KB99657.asp -- BV Webporgmaster of iheartmypond.com http://www.iheartmypond.com I'll be leaning on the bus stop post. |
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 00:09:25 -0600, Katra
wrote: Can anyone help? I am a new Koi keeper, I put my first six Koi into my newly built pond in November. 10 days ago when I wend down to feed them there were only five Koi and three of my gold fish had also gone. I have a Heron that comes to the pond every day. I have tried putting a fake Heron at the side of the pond but the real one keeps coming back. Any ideas on how I can get rid of it? Also since the fish went missing the other Koi and gold fish in the pond will no longer come up to the surface. They sit on the bottom of the pond all the time and wont feed. Any advice would be appreciated. I swear by the motion sprinkler, but you may have to put netting up for awhile, since the heron has fed. Most deterrents work best before the bird has been rewarded. And if Kathy didn't mention it in her list, fake fish, drives them insane. ~ jan Where do you get fish decoys??? The really cheap ones you can get at www.aqua-mart.com, but there are fancier version too. I haven't checked around, and the above website may have them too. You could do a google search on fake fish heron scarer to find the best prices, if someone here hasn't purchased them recently. From personal experience, one club member said he had a good time watching while the heron coming to his pond was total frustrated. ;o) ~ jan That sounds like a marvelous idea! Black PVC pipe for hides? The fish use that? ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~ |
I swear by the motion sprinkler, but you may have to put netting up for
awhile, since the heron has fed. Most deterrents work best before the bird has been rewarded. And if Kathy didn't mention it in her list, fake fish, drives them insane. ~ jan ===================== The herons here took the fake fish one time,... learned their lesson and went back to the real fish ignoring the fake completely. Either your herons are very very smart or your fish very dumb. ;o) Once a bird strikes the fish are suppose to dive for cover. The fake fish should be securely tied down so the bird can't remove and exam it. ~ jan ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~ |
"Katra" wrote:
In article , ~ jan JJsPond.us wrote: snip Where do you get fish decoys??? /snip When any of my fish go belly up, I just have them stuffed, waterproofed and put back in the pond attached to a small anchor. San Diego Joe 4,000 - 5,000 Gallons. Goldfish, a RES named Colombo and an Oscar. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
Cichlidiot wrote:
In rec.ponds Benign Vanilla wrote: "Roy" wrote in message ... Shoot the darn thing and be done with it.. snip So is this what you consider good advice for newbies? Hmm, go on vacation, come back to find a troll named Roy has taken up residence. BV, don't bother replying to Roy. Roy's not a troll. Roy's an abusive little child who needs to have his Internet privileges revoked. The threads that have the worst signal to noise ratio are the ones where people reply to the troll there. Seeing similar trends here when perusing the old messages for the last couple of weeks. Roy's just taking advantage of longstanding arguments on rec.ponds. Sorry for the overflow. -- derek |
~ Windsong ~ wrote:
"kathy" wrote in message ups.com... Go here http://ihmp.net/@/y The device is called a Heron Scarer. ========================= The herons will learn to fish from right next to the scarer so they don't get sprinkled. They land and come up behind it. Herons are very intelligent birds/predators. It's another temporary waste of money where herons are concerned. If the hose pops or leaks and you're asleep or away from home for the day, you're water bill will be sky high. Also these water scarers are useless against King Fishers, fish eating snakes, fish eating turtles and fish eating bullfrogs. But Carol, netting isn't any use against most of those, either. -- derek |
"kathy" wrote in message oups.com... Carol wrote And in the end only bird netting works Netting is always an option but some people really don't want to net their ponds. For them it spoils the look, ## Yes it does effect the looks of the pond. But so does those tall gawky water sprayers and wire/string strung all over the place. I didn't want to net mine either considering they're both in front of my house. However I was sick and tired of losing koi and GF to these predators. We did try other methods first. Nothing worked. Perhaps other people can afford the endless losses and don't get attached to their fish. I do. It was both an emotional issue as well as a financial issue. When herons and King Fishers discover your pond all you become is a feeding station for them. Also, if you're in an area frequented by these birds you will usually (but not always) also end up with large fish eating water snakes and bullfrogs. At that point you may as well buy a fish hatchery. makes it hard to work in the pond, ## To a degree yes, but much easier then picking up the half eaten remains of your new koi or favorite 5 year old Shubunken. Or realizing all three of your butterfly koi are GONE when you go out to feed them. ruins the look of tall marginals, gets blown off, ## It can't get blown off if it's put on right. You don't just toss it over the pond. for me it is a danger for my dogs, younger children, the squirrels and the birds. ## How can a net possibly be a danger to children and squirrels? Yes, sometimes small birds will get caught. I release them. That has only happened a few times in the last 5 years. I would rather a child fall on the net then into the water and possibly drown. You can get around the small bird problem as we did by putting a full clean birdbath near the pond. Herons have stabbed through nets, ## Herons do not STAB fish through nets or any other way. Herons GRAB the fish with their beaks - they do not stab them! green herons have wriggled under nets. ## Then the net was not installed correctly. If you tangle up a heron in your net and kill it you have some serious explaining to do to the feds. ## I have never had one tangled up in the net. The net is too tight to tangle a large bird. A small bird may get a head and wing caught. Also the Feds do not post the "pond police" in your backyard! LOL!!! You've got to be kidding me!!!! :-D Other options DO work for other ponders so I think it is important to list them as they DO work. ## Anyone can try anything they choose. It all depends on how much they value their fish. Some people are more interested in the appearance their ponds make - to each her/his own. I most always list netting as an option but other options DO WORK for other ponders. ## That depends on where they live of course,... because herons are only ONE predator fish keepers have to contend with. I wish someone had told me these things BEFORE I wasted my time, money and lost so many fish before getting the nets. -- Carol.... the frugal ponder... "Eat Right, Exercise, Die Anyway." ~~~~~~~ }((((((o "They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same." http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html Completely FREE softwa http://www.pricelessware.org/thelist/index.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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