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corkscrew fish?
I have a fish doing wild corkscrew movements around the pond and floating
upside down. Does anyone know what this is or what I can do about it? TIA Jon |
Start by adding non-iodized salt to the water. Dissolve 1#/100 gallons
of water and add it gradually. Then go to AKCA-Koi USA to do some research. It is possible you need to add oxygen to the water. Good luck. |
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:06:12 -0000, "Oxymel of Squill"
wrote: I have a fish doing wild corkscrew movements around the pond and floating upside down. Does anyone know what this is or what I can do about it? TIA Jon Google for Twirling Disease, but I think the only thing you can do if it is bad is put it down. ~ jan ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~ |
I have a fish doing wild corkscrew movements around the pond and floating
upside down. Does anyone know what this is or what I can do about it? TIA Jon Google for Twirling Disease, but I think the only thing you can do if it is bad is put it down. ~ jan Sorry, it's Whirling Disease, go he http://www.mu.edu/~buxtoni/puregold/home.html or www.koivet.com ~ jan ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~ |
Nothing like a blind diagnosis..or would that be a wild assed guess?
I am in awe yu did not suggest SALT On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:51:57 -0800, ~ jan JJsPond.us wrote: ===On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:06:12 -0000, "Oxymel of Squill" ===wrote: === ===I have a fish doing wild corkscrew movements around the pond and floating ===upside down. Does anyone know what this is or what I can do about it? ===TIA ===Jon === ===Google for Twirling Disease, but I think the only thing you can do if it is ===bad is put it down. ~ jan === === ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~ REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies! Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS |
On 15 Feb 2005 14:44:53 -0800, wrote:
===Start by adding non-iodized salt to the water. Dissolve 1#/100 gallons ===of water and add it gradually. Then go to AKCA-Koi USA to do some ===research. It is possible you need to add oxygen to the water. Good luck. Yea, salt, thats what you need, SALT the miracle cure and secret fixall of Rec.ponders...I would use at least 100# per gal and do it right! At that rate it matters not if its iodized or kosher! REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies! Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS |
Good point Roy! How could anyone be so irresponsible as to offer an
answer to someone's questions without first asking the original poster to FedEx the fish to them so they can evaluate the symptoms first hand? Or maybe just putting the sick fish on the scanner and attaching a picture to the post would be good enough. OF COURSE IT IS A BLIND DIAGNOSIS!. It was a two sentence post on a newsgroup. If they wanted a complete professional medical evaluation they would have found a vet that will treat fish. But they didn't; they posted a question here. You must not be getting enough rest lately. Or maybe you were just in a hurry. Either way, we all know you can flame better than that. So get some rest and remember that if a post isn't worth flaming well, it's not worth flaming at all. Steve On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 01:55:26 GMT, (Roy) wrote: Nothing like a blind diagnosis..or would that be a wild assed guess? I am in awe yu did not suggest SALT On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:51:57 -0800, ~ jan JJsPond.us wrote: ===On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:06:12 -0000, "Oxymel of Squill" ===wrote: === ===I have a fish doing wild corkscrew movements around the pond and floating ===upside down. Does anyone know what this is or what I can do about it? ===TIA ===Jon === ===Google for Twirling Disease, but I think the only thing you can do if it is ===bad is put it down. ~ jan === === ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~ REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies! Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS |
Roy,
Read this link on Doc Johnson's web site, http://www.koivet.com/html/articles/... rch_term=salt where he discusses salt. I think that before any treatments are performed, a microscopic examination needs to be performed to best know what treatment should be used. Many of the treatments are expensive, especially when treating a whole pond. My arsenal for treatments includes salt, anchors away (for anchor worm and fish lice), and supa-verm (for flukes). I occasionally use PP, mainly to clean the water of organics. PP and formalin are both neutralized by organics in the pond, so it is difficult to know whether you have used the correct dosage. Formalin also requires a 50% water change, which is time consuming. Doc Johnson, and others have published symptoms that will help identify the problem, and help in determining which remedy is best, with salt always being first. Of course one of the best means of controlling parasites is to maintain pristine water. The fish have lived with parasites since the beginning of time and as long as they are not stressed by poor water quality, they should be able to live with a moderate number in the pond. The thing with parasites is that they seem to know when a fish is stressed, attack it harder, possibly killing it, and multiplying out of control, so that they can overtake the other fish in the pond. -- RichToyBox http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html "Roy" wrote in message ... On 15 Feb 2005 14:44:53 -0800, wrote: ===Start by adding non-iodized salt to the water. Dissolve 1#/100 gallons ===of water and add it gradually. Then go to AKCA-Koi USA to do some ===research. It is possible you need to add oxygen to the water. Good luck. Yea, salt, thats what you need, SALT the miracle cure and secret fixall of Rec.ponders...I would use at least 100# per gal and do it right! At that rate it matters not if its iodized or kosher! REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies! Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS |
Yea Doc Johnsons approach is much the same as this group in a lot of
things,..........and of all folks to screw up royally and OD their high dollar koi on PP ....he reallay needs to stick to salt and leave opther chemicals to those that know a little more about them than he evidently does..But its on the internet so it must be true.....but he is an author of a few books, so he must know what he is doing..........I personally wold trust Dr. Solo before Johnson. Nothing is on his site that is not on many university fish biology sites in different wording.......and they are an organization I would put my faith in in stead of an internet fish doctor out to make a buck and still screw up like he does.............. On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:05:44 -0500, "RichToyBox" wrote: ===Roy, === ===Read this link on Doc Johnson's web site, ===http://www.koivet.com/html/articles/... rch_term=salt ===where he discusses salt. I think that before any treatments are performed, ===a microscopic examination needs to be performed to best know what treatment ===should be used. Many of the treatments are expensive, especially when ===treating a whole pond. === ===My arsenal for treatments includes salt, anchors away (for anchor worm and ===fish lice), and supa-verm (for flukes). I occasionally use PP, mainly to ===clean the water of organics. PP and formalin are both neutralized by ===organics in the pond, so it is difficult to know whether you have used the ===correct dosage. Formalin also requires a 50% water change, which is time ===consuming. Doc Johnson, and others have published symptoms that will help ===identify the problem, and help in determining which remedy is best, with ===salt always being first. === ===Of course one of the best means of controlling parasites is to maintain ===pristine water. The fish have lived with parasites since the beginning of ===time and as long as they are not stressed by poor water quality, they should ===be able to live with a moderate number in the pond. The thing with ===parasites is that they seem to know when a fish is stressed, attack it ===harder, possibly killing it, and multiplying out of control, so that they ===can overtake the other fish in the pond. REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies! Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS |
"Roy" wrote in message ... Yea Doc Johnsons approach is much the same as this group in a lot of things,..........and of all folks to screw up royally and OD their high dollar koi on PP $$ So I take it you have a problem with Dr. Johnson. I used PP on his recommendation and cleaned up several problems without killing any fish. Koizyme keeps the ulcers away. I can thank Johnson for saving my fish several years ago. .....he reallay needs to stick to salt and leave opther chemicals to those that know a little more about them than he evidently does.. $$ Like who? But its on the internet so it must be true.....but he is an author of a few books, so he must know what he is doing.......... $$ He's saved many people's fish over the years, including mine. That seems to bother you for some reason. Did he somehow misdiagnose *your* fish problem? I personally wold trust Dr. Solo before Johnson. $$ Why, since she's not a licensed veterinarian? Nothing is on his site that is not on many university fish biology sites in different wording.......and they are an organization I would put my faith in in stead of an internet fish doctor out to make a buck and still screw up like he does.............. Carol.... the frugal ponder... "Health is merely the slowest possible rate at which one can die." Completely FREE softwa http://www.pricelessware.org/thelist/index.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
"Steve" wrote in message ... Good point Roy! How could anyone be so irresponsible as to offer an answer to someone's questions without first asking the original poster to FedEx the fish to them so they can evaluate the symptoms first hand? Or maybe just putting the sick fish on the scanner and attaching a picture to the post would be good enough. $$ Hey,... his friend makes diagnoses over the PHONE!!!! You can't beat that with a stick. OF COURSE IT IS A BLIND DIAGNOSIS!. It was a two sentence post on a newsgroup. If they wanted a complete professional medical evaluation they would have found a vet that will treat fish. But they didn't; they posted a question here. $$ Dandyorandas must be desperate for business........ You must not be getting enough rest lately. Or maybe you were just in a hurry. Either way, we all know you can flame better than that. So get some rest and remember that if a post isn't worth flaming well, it's not worth flaming at all. Steve $$ I think Roy needs a vacation from this NG. -- Carol.... the frugal ponder... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
If your so concerned I need to get away on a vacation when can I
expect the check to cover same...........if no check is to follow, pay attention to your own business and don't worry what I do or do not need........ And how would my posting about Dandy Orandas, be interpreted to mean they are desperate for business..Hell I don't know..... Read it again DANDY ORANDAS On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:40:30 -0600, "~ Windsong ~" P@P wrote: === ==="Steve" wrote in message . net... === Good point Roy! How could anyone be so irresponsible as to offer an === answer to someone's questions without first asking the original poster === to FedEx the fish to them so they can evaluate the symptoms first === hand? Or maybe just putting the sick fish on the scanner and === attaching a picture to the post would be good enough. === ===$$ Hey,... his friend makes diagnoses over the PHONE!!!! You can't beat ===that with a stick. === === OF COURSE IT IS A BLIND DIAGNOSIS!. It was a two sentence post on a === newsgroup. If they wanted a complete professional medical evaluation === they would have found a vet that will treat fish. But they didn't; === they posted a question here. === ===$$ Dandyorandas must be desperate for business........ === === You must not be getting enough rest lately. Or maybe you were just in === a hurry. Either way, we all know you can flame better than that. So === get some rest and remember that if a post isn't worth flaming well, === it's not worth flaming at all. === === Steve === ===$$ I think Roy needs a vacation from this NG. REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies! Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS |
"WJHenderson" wrote in message ... If your so concerned I need to get away on a vacation when can I expect the check to cover same...........if no check is to follow, pay attention to your own business and don't worry what I do or do not need........ And how would my posting about Dandy Orandas, be interpreted to mean they are desperate for business..Hell I don't know..... ========================== Because any business that would hire someone like you to SPAM Usenet has to be *desperate* beyond belief. You can't be here wasting your time and ours for "nothing." -- Carol.... the frugal ponder... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
I can assure you for what its worth that I would not know Dr. Solo or anyone associated from Dandy Orandas if they were to fall on me.............so your wrong once again. I think they need to be promoted so newbies have a viable source for info if needed......get over it, its not going to go away unless Dr. Solo asks me to stop using it. On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 17:13:40 -0600, "~ Windsong ~" P@P wrote: === ==="WJHenderson" wrote in message et... === If your so concerned I need to get away on a vacation when can I === expect the check to cover same...........if no check is to follow, pay === attention to your own business and don't worry what I do or do not === need........ === === And how would my posting about Dandy Orandas, be interpreted to mean === they are desperate for business..Hell I don't know..... ============================= ===Because any business that would hire someone like you to SPAM Usenet has to ===be *desperate* beyond belief. You can't be here wasting your time and ours ===for "nothing." REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies! Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS |
"Mike Calhoun" wrote in message ... I can assure you for what its worth that I would not know Dr. Solo or anyone associated from Dandy Orandas if they were to fall on me.............so your wrong once again. I think they need to be promoted so newbies have a viable source for info if needed. $$ What proof so YOU have that they're such a valuable source of information? ......get over it, its not going to go away unless Dr. Solo asks me to stop using it. $$ I couldn't care less what went away or what stayed - as long as the Newbies know the TRUTH. And BTW,... don't break your back bending over kissing her (_|_). -- Carol.... the frugal ponder... "Where the hell is Easy Street?" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
And what you think really has very little if anything to do with it now does it? Perhaps your jealous you can;t do such a good thing as Dr. Solo or Dandy Orandas, and your time is better spent harrassing the Jehovah bunch.. tsk tsk tsk carol, your a fine one to throw stones.... On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 23:35:40 -0600, "~ Windsong ~" P@P wrote: === ==="Mike Calhoun" wrote in message et... === === I can assure you for what its worth that I would not know Dr. Solo or === anyone associated from Dandy Orandas if they were to fall on === me.............so your wrong once again. I think they need to be === promoted so newbies have a viable source for info if needed. === ===$$ What proof so YOU have that they're such a valuable source of ===information? === ===.....get === over it, its not going to go away unless Dr. Solo asks me to stop === using it. === ===$$ I couldn't care less what went away or what stayed - as long as the ===Newbies know the TRUTH. And BTW,... don't break your back bending over ===kissing her (_|_). REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies! Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS |
"AuthorAlexander" wrote in message ... And what you think really has very little if anything to do with it now does it? Perhaps your jealous you can;t do such a good thing as Dr. Solo or Dandy Orandas, $$ A good thing like selling people charcoal that recharges with hose water? Uh,... no thanks! :-) and your time is better spent harrassing the Jehovah bunch.. tsk tsk tsk carol, your a fine one to throw stones.... ## Why don't you INFEST that group and perhaps save a life? What are you accomplishing HERE? Carol.... the frugal ponder... "People who want to share their religious views with you almost never want you to share yours with them." "~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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