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Hi guys!! How's it going?
Say, I just bought a new fish tank for my kids as a present for Christmas. It was used, but I couldn't resist it. 400 gallons!!! I paid $1,000 for it and the oak stand. It is square in shape and about 6 feet long on all sides and 2.5' tall on a 3 feet tall stand. Viewing is about eye level for an adult. Wondering how soon I can put fish in the tank. I have over 600 lbs of live sand that was sold with the tank and we kept 30% of the old water and added 70% new RODI. The tank has a huge skimmer about the size of an old gas pump that sits externally to the tank. The tank is turned over at least 40 times per hour according to the guy I bought it from due to the humongous dual pumps also running externally to the system. The sump for this thing has a capacity of 250 gallons and is under the tank in the base of the stand. You guys have to see pictures of this!!!! It's freaking awesome!!! So!! How soon can I add fish and more liverock? The chemistry is awesome!!!! |
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Awesome DEAL!!!!!! I am envious :)
Seriously, I'd add cured LR rightaway. Then make sure the tank's params are stable for at least 2-3 weeks, especially: NH3/NH4 = 0. NO2=0) then slowly add fish. 2 at the time the most. Wait loooooong time between additions. "Bobbin' for Charlie" wrote in message news:P7Fpf.10641$9G.5848@dukeread10... Hi guys!! How's it going? Say, I just bought a new fish tank for my kids as a present for Christmas. It was used, but I couldn't resist it. 400 gallons!!! I paid $1,000 for it and the oak stand. It is square in shape and about 6 feet long on all sides and 2.5' tall on a 3 feet tall stand. Viewing is about eye level for an adult. Wondering how soon I can put fish in the tank. I have over 600 lbs of live sand that was sold with the tank and we kept 30% of the old water and added 70% new RODI. The tank has a huge skimmer about the size of an old gas pump that sits externally to the tank. The tank is turned over at least 40 times per hour according to the guy I bought it from due to the humongous dual pumps also running externally to the system. The sump for this thing has a capacity of 250 gallons and is under the tank in the base of the stand. You guys have to see pictures of this!!!! It's freaking awesome!!! So!! How soon can I add fish and more liverock? The chemistry is awesome!!!! |
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PICTURES!!!! WE NEED PICTURES!!!!
"Bobbin' for Charlie" wrote in message news:P7Fpf.10641$9G.5848@dukeread10... Hi guys!! How's it going? Say, I just bought a new fish tank for my kids as a present for Christmas. It was used, but I couldn't resist it. 400 gallons!!! I paid $1,000 for it and the oak stand. It is square in shape and about 6 feet long on all sides and 2.5' tall on a 3 feet tall stand. Viewing is about eye level for an adult. Wondering how soon I can put fish in the tank. I have over 600 lbs of live sand that was sold with the tank and we kept 30% of the old water and added 70% new RODI. The tank has a huge skimmer about the size of an old gas pump that sits externally to the tank. The tank is turned over at least 40 times per hour according to the guy I bought it from due to the humongous dual pumps also running externally to the system. The sump for this thing has a capacity of 250 gallons and is under the tank in the base of the stand. You guys have to see pictures of this!!!! It's freaking awesome!!! So!! How soon can I add fish and more liverock? The chemistry is awesome!!!! |
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Bobbin' for Charlie wrote:
Wondering how soon I can put fish in the tank. Now. The nitrogen cycle is a natural way of processing uneaten food and the waste products of animals (such as fish). This is done by bacteria which become established in the tank when food is available. No fish generally means that no bacteria ever become established. With a 400 gallon tank, if you add a few small to medium sized fish every few weeks, the tank will adjust with no detectable cycle. The same is true if you add a large fish every few weeks. You will only see a change in the water parameters if you make a large addition to the number of animals in the tank in a relatively short period of time. | George Patterson Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to your slightly older self. |
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Good point :)
still, why rush things? Umm ,,, this is a 400 gallon tank, not a 55 gallon tank :-) Most people start out with damsels, not larger expensive fish. |
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Wayne Sallee wrote:
TekCat wrote on 12/19/2005 7:08 PM: 2 at the time the most. Wait loooooong time between additions. Umm ,,, this is a 400 gallon tank, not a 55 gallon tank :-) Most people start out with damsels, not larger expensive fish. Wayne that implies that it is common to lose your first fish, is that so? My pet shop guy said that starting out with 2 tank bred ocellaris was fine as they are hardy. Damsels are more aggressive and can cause problems when you add more fish I believe?? Wayne Sallee Wayne's Pets |
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No, I'm not implying that it is common to loose fish on
startup, though unfortunately many pet stores do. What I was emplying is that the risk is not so great. I also do not agreee that a tank rased clown is as hardy and a damsel. I don't recomend starting a tank with clown fish. Damsels are a lower risk, and hardyer fish. I personaly like damsels. If I had a tank of that size, I would slowly fill it with damsels up to about 35 damsels. I like damsels. Wayne Sallee Wayne's Pets miskairal wrote on 12/20/2005 4:11 PM: Wayne Sallee wrote: TekCat wrote on 12/19/2005 7:08 PM: 2 at the time the most. Wait loooooong time between additions. Umm ,,, this is a 400 gallon tank, not a 55 gallon tank :-) Most people start out with damsels, not larger expensive fish. Wayne that implies that it is common to lose your first fish, is that so? My pet shop guy said that starting out with 2 tank bred ocellaris was fine as they are hardy. Damsels are more aggressive and can cause problems when you add more fish I believe?? Wayne Sallee Wayne's Pets |
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MOst folks regard a Damsel as a cheap fish which is very abundant at a
very cheap price ( Often for less than $3.00 with mewmber card at Petco) as a way to test your waters and see if everything is on par........That way if something is not quite right your not out a hea of money if they croak....I view it like this.I trust my test kits and my knoweledge..I would not feel any different placing a damsel in a new setup that was properly cycled and water parameters in check than I would a an Angel fish of $30.00 If the water is right and conditions are what they should be then things should be fine as long as they are introduced one or two at a time, depending on how large a system it is and your filtration. If I was going to have any damsels, I would add them last so they are the new guys on the block so they may not be so boisterous and already have established territories setup...... I do not believe in sacrificing any fish to test the waters......simple if its not right for a high dollar fish then no fish go in it. The only exceptions would be fish that eat mainly copepods etc such as dragonets, and in that case the tank would have to be pretty well establised and aged with a large population of stuff for the dragonets to eat. I see lots of dragonets getting sold at various places and when you talk to the ones buying them they say things like, yea, we just got our 55 gal setup cycled and have had 4 damsels in it for a month, or yea we have one up now for about a year......so now were going to add those pretty dragonets......which on rare occasions will eat prepared foods but most times they starve in most any tank that is not well established. Its a real shame, but evidently they are pretty abundant just like damsels as around this part they go for under $15 a fish....... -- \\\|/// ( @ @ ) -----------oOOo(_)oOOo--------------- oooO ---------( )----Oooo---------------- \ ( ( ) \_) ) / (_/ The original frugal ponder! Koi-ahoi mates.... |
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One thing, though, is that it's different for an
experienced reefer to start out a tank with an expensive fish, than it is for a new fish keeper to start out with an expensive fish. New fish keepers make lots of mistakes. Wayne Sallee Wayne's Pets Roy wrote on 12/20/2005 6:30 PM: MOst folks regard a Damsel as a cheap fish which is very abundant at a very cheap price ( Often for less than $3.00 with mewmber card at Petco) as a way to test your waters and see if everything is on par........That way if something is not quite right your not out a hea of money if they croak....I view it like this.I trust my test kits and my knoweledge..I would not feel any different placing a damsel in a new setup that was properly cycled and water parameters in check than I would a an Angel fish of $30.00 If the water is right and conditions are what they should be then things should be fine as long as they are introduced one or two at a time, depending on how large a system it is and your filtration. If I was going to have any damsels, I would add them last so they are the new guys on the block so they may not be so boisterous and already have established territories setup...... I do not believe in sacrificing any fish to test the waters......simple if its not right for a high dollar fish then no fish go in it. The only exceptions would be fish that eat mainly copepods etc such as dragonets, and in that case the tank would have to be pretty well establised and aged with a large population of stuff for the dragonets to eat. I see lots of dragonets getting sold at various places and when you talk to the ones buying them they say things like, yea, we just got our 55 gal setup cycled and have had 4 damsels in it for a month, or yea we have one up now for about a year......so now were going to add those pretty dragonets......which on rare occasions will eat prepared foods but most times they starve in most any tank that is not well established. Its a real shame, but evidently they are pretty abundant just like damsels as around this part they go for under $15 a fish....... |
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I still think that the number one stupid mistake of the
century is when a lady purchased some live rock from a store, and took it home and put it in the aquarium, only to find out that it had bugs on it, so she took it out and sprayed it with raid, and put it back in. Naturaly everything died. :-) Wayne Sallee Wayne's Pets Wayne Sallee wrote on 12/20/2005 8:09 PM: One thing, though, is that it's different for an experienced reefer to start out a tank with an expensive fish, than it is for a new fish keeper to start out with an expensive fish. New fish keepers make lots of mistakes. Wayne Sallee Wayne's Pets Roy wrote on 12/20/2005 6:30 PM: MOst folks regard a Damsel as a cheap fish which is very abundant at a very cheap price ( Often for less than $3.00 with mewmber card at Petco) as a way to test your waters and see if everything is on par........That way if something is not quite right your not out a hea of money if they croak....I view it like this.I trust my test kits and my knoweledge..I would not feel any different placing a damsel in a new setup that was properly cycled and water parameters in check than I would a an Angel fish of $30.00 If the water is right and conditions are what they should be then things should be fine as long as they are introduced one or two at a time, depending on how large a system it is and your filtration. If I was going to have any damsels, I would add them last so they are the new guys on the block so they may not be so boisterous and already have established territories setup...... I do not believe in sacrificing any fish to test the waters......simple if its not right for a high dollar fish then no fish go in it. The only exceptions would be fish that eat mainly copepods etc such as dragonets, and in that case the tank would have to be pretty well establised and aged with a large population of stuff for the dragonets to eat. I see lots of dragonets getting sold at various places and when you talk to the ones buying them they say things like, yea, we just got our 55 gal setup cycled and have had 4 damsels in it for a month, or yea we have one up now for about a year......so now were going to add those pretty dragonets......which on rare occasions will eat prepared foods but most times they starve in most any tank that is not well established. Its a real shame, but evidently they are pretty abundant just like damsels as around this part they go for under $15 a fish....... |
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Wayne Sallee wrote:
I still think that the number one stupid mistake of the century is when a lady purchased some live rock from a store, and took it home and put it in the aquarium, only to find out that it had bugs on it, so she took it out and sprayed it with raid, and put it back in. Naturaly everything died. :-) I've worked in retail for years and that is pretty much the funniest thing that I've heard yet! mark h |
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I'd stay away from the Damsel fish, try catching that
aggravating tormenting sucker in a 400gal later. LOLOL I guess some floating food and a cast net might work. :-) Wayne Sallee wrote: TekCat wrote on 12/19/2005 7:08 PM: 2 at the time the most. Wait loooooong time between additions. Umm ,,, this is a 400 gallon tank, not a 55 gallon tank :-) Most people start out with damsels, not larger expensive fish. Wayne Sallee Wayne's Pets -- Ric Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 6.35 http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler remove –SPAM- from email address -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson |
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RicSeyler wrote:
I'd stay away from the Damsel fish, try catching that aggravating tormenting sucker in a 400gal later. LOLOL Don't bother. Just pick up a decent size Volitan or Grouper. George Patterson Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to your slightly older self. |
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I had a devil fish (small blue fish in damsel family) in a 2 gal pico
for a little while with the intentions of only housing it there until I got the other tank finished, as a person had a tank leak and needed to get rid of the fish etc, so I wound up with this little fish of perhaps 1.25" in length. Small tank, I figured no problem in such a small tank, yea right, I just about had to remove all other inhabs and LR and still had a hassle catching that little damsel........ On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 03:02:27 GMT, George Patterson wrote: RicSeyler wrote: I'd stay away from the Damsel fish, try catching that aggravating tormenting sucker in a 400gal later. LOLOL Don't bother. Just pick up a decent size Volitan or Grouper. George Patterson Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to your slightly older self. -- \\\|/// ( @ @ ) -----------oOOo(_)oOOo--------------- oooO ---------( )----Oooo---------------- \ ( ( ) \_) ) / (_/ The original frugal ponder! Koi-ahoi mates.... |
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Wife caught me cheatin' on her last night with her sister and through a
hammer through the first thing she could hit and it wasn't me. So much for the 400 gallon tank. Talk to yawl l8r. "Bobbin' for Charlie" wrote in message news:P7Fpf.10641$9G.5848@dukeread10... Hi guys!! How's it going? Say, I just bought a new fish tank for my kids as a present for Christmas. It was used, but I couldn't resist it. 400 gallons!!! I paid $1,000 for it and the oak stand. It is square in shape and about 6 feet long on all sides and 2.5' tall on a 3 feet tall stand. Viewing is about eye level for an adult. Wondering how soon I can put fish in the tank. I have over 600 lbs of live sand that was sold with the tank and we kept 30% of the old water and added 70% new RODI. The tank has a huge skimmer about the size of an old gas pump that sits externally to the tank. The tank is turned over at least 40 times per hour according to the guy I bought it from due to the humongous dual pumps also running externally to the system. The sump for this thing has a capacity of 250 gallons and is under the tank in the base of the stand. You guys have to see pictures of this!!!! It's freaking awesome!!! So!! How soon can I add fish and more liverock? The chemistry is awesome!!!! |
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Bobbin' for Charlie wrote:
Wife caught me cheatin' on her last night with her sister and through a hammer through the first thing she could hit and it wasn't me. So much for the 400 gallon tank. Talk to yawl l8r. Oh my GOD I hope you're kidding.... |
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Oh my GOD I hope you're kidding....
If he is, that's one of the most unique trolls I've seen in a long time ..... Though when I read the original post, I thought the wording was a little suspicious. "The chemistry is awesome" ?? |
Nitrogen cycle is a natural way to handle leftover food and animal waste generated (such as fish). This is caused by bacteria and become established in the tank when the food supply. No fish means no bacteria are usually always be established.
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Nitrogen cycle is a natural way to handle leftover food and animal waste generated (such as fish). This is caused by bacteria and become established in the tank when the food supply. No fish means no bacteria are usually always be established.
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he catchbasin is angry over at atomic 40 times per hour according to the guy I bought it from due to the humongous dual pumps aswell active evidently to the system. The sump for this affair has a capacity of 250 gallons and is beneath the catchbasin in the abject of the stand.
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