Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

According to dictionary.com, an aquarists is he who maintains an aquarium,
in the other hand, a Marine Biologist is a specialist.



In other words, anyone that maintains an aquarium good or bad is an
aquarist. To be a Marine biologist you have to be a specialist on the
field.



Before I decided to enter the aquarist's domain, I was told not to by
colleagues because the "establishment" was going to start bombarding me with
obstacles since they had been doing things in a very profitable way and
bringing common sense to the domain was going to encounter a lot of
criticism.



When I came to this group I was hoping that my field knowledge could bring
hope to those that want to have a marine aquarium but find it too expensive.

I started with a prototype of a sal****er aquarium and after 7 months
running it with no water changes and with inexpensive equipment. My
hypothesis was correct; there is nothing to it but common sense. It is that
common sense that sparked the criticism of, whom else, but those benefiting
with selling that expensive and overrated set of gadgets.



I finally finished putting together a nice display aquarium with a bio/mech
filter that has a built-in skimmer and extracts phosphates and nitrites from
the water without expensive investments or any stupid chemical at all.



Soon the filter will be in the market, I just have to get the new system
stable. It includes no expensive illumination, no hardcore pumping system
only a powerhead, no skimmer and no more than 2 water changes a year.



If you are spending a lot of money on your system and the benefits you are
getting is just bragging rights, let me tell you something, you can satisfy
your bragging rights with a new Alpha Romeo and the money will be well
spent. In the other hand, if you want to have a piece of ocean in your home
for relaxation and aesthetic purposes, talk to a specialist not to a
custodian. There will be a marine bio close to your house, ask him/her if
your system is cycling products and if there is an evident cybernetic use of
nutrients, if that is not the case, go to your closest pet shop and bring a
nice checkbook with you, you'll need it.



jrs

Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

J R-S typed:
According to dictionary.com, an aquarists is he who maintains an
aquarium, in the other hand, a Marine Biologist is a specialist.
In other words, anyone that maintains an aquarium good or bad is an
aquarist. To be a Marine biologist you have to be a specialist on
the field.
Before I decided to enter the aquarist's domain, I was told not to
by colleagues because the "establishment" was going to start
bombarding me with obstacles since they had been doing things in a
very profitable way and bringing common sense to the domain was
going to encounter a lot of criticism.

When I came to this group I was hoping that my field knowledge
could bring hope to those that want to have a marine aquarium but
find it too expensive.

You can't bring much hope by making a lot of unsubstantiated claims. How's
it going to help when you won't tell us how you're doing it?

I started with a prototype of a sal****er aquarium and after 7
months running it with no water changes and with inexpensive
equipment. My hypothesis was correct; there is nothing to it but
common sense. It is that common sense that sparked the criticism
of, whom else, but those benefiting with selling that expensive and
overrated set of gadgets.
I finally finished putting together a nice display aquarium with a
bio/mech filter that has a built-in skimmer and extracts phosphates
and nitrites from the water without expensive investments or any
stupid chemical at all.

So what did you use and how did you do it?

Soon the filter will be in the market, I just have to get the new
system stable. It includes no expensive illumination, no hardcore
pumping system only a powerhead, no skimmer and no more than 2
water changes a year.

Oh, it's going to be "in the market"? I assume then that you've made it a
big secret because YOU want to make money off it. I get it.

If you are spending a lot of money on your system and the benefits
you are getting is just bragging rights, let me tell you something,
you can satisfy your bragging rights with a new Alpha Romeo and the
money will be well spent. In the other hand, if you want to have a
piece of ocean in your home for relaxation and aesthetic purposes,
talk to a specialist not to a custodian. There will be a marine
bio close to your house, ask him/her if your system is cycling
products and if there is an evident cybernetic use of nutrients, if
that is not the case, go to your closest pet shop and bring a nice
checkbook with you, you'll need it.


jrs

Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

"J R-S" wrote in message
...
According to dictionary.com, an aquarists is he who maintains an aquarium,
in the other hand, a Marine Biologist is a specialist.


Any REAL marine biologist would be thrilled with the fact that people are
able to not only propagate fish but corals as well in a home aquarium
thereby reducing and maybe even one day eliminating the need to collect wild
specimens from the world's depleting reefs.You sir are both an asshole and a
fraud.

Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

J R-S wrote on 3/18/2006 5:06 PM:
To be a Marine biologist you have to be a specialist on the
field.

Well then that leaves you out.

You should have titled this thread "Aquarists vs Troll"
because you are no marine biologist.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets

Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
...
J R-S wrote on 3/18/2006 5:06 PM:
To be a Marine biologist you have to be a specialist on the field.

Well then that leaves you out.

You should have titled this thread "Aquarists vs Troll" because you
are no marine biologist.



For once, Wayne, we agree on something.

Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

"J R-S" wrote in message ...
When I came to this group I was hoping that my field knowledge could bring
hope to those that want to have a marine aquarium but find it too expensive.

The problem is that you do not try to share your field knowledge here.
You make misleading comments (ie: ammonia should be there in the tank!)
and claims not backed with any details or recreatable at home recipes.

You arrived here just to heal your sick and weak ego, but you got
hurt with (well deserved) criticism for your not-so-friendly aproach.
Now you are crying about "establishment crushing your", complaining
about high priced equipment, and... writing about introducing on the
market a piece of equipment yourself. What is wrong with this picture ?

I started with a prototype of a sal****er aquarium and after 7 months
running it with no water changes and with inexpensive equipment. My
hypothesis was correct; there is nothing to it but common sense. It is that
common sense that sparked the criticism of, whom else, but those benefiting
with selling that expensive and overrated set of gadgets.

Anybody with experience in keeping aquariums had a chance to see
what you have done and confirmed it is something really special ?
Because you have no experience yourself, so you do not know what
is doable and what is not in our hobby.

I finally finished putting together a nice display aquarium with a bio/mech
filter that has a built-in skimmer and extracts phosphates and nitrites from
the water without expensive investments or any stupid chemical at all.

Cool! Then share your knowledge and experience if you care...
If not - what is a TRUE reason you came here ?

Soon the filter will be in the market, I just have to get the new system
stable. It includes no expensive illumination, no hardcore pumping system
only a powerhead, no skimmer and no more than 2 water changes a year.

No skimmer or built in skimmer? When will you decide on facts?

If you are spending a lot of money on your system and the benefits you are
getting is just bragging rights, let me tell you something, you can satisfy
your bragging rights with a new Alpha Romeo and the money will be well
spent. In the other hand, if you want to have a piece of ocean in your home
for relaxation and aesthetic purposes, talk to a specialist not to a
custodian. There will be a marine bio close to your house, ask him/her if
your system is cycling products and if there is an evident cybernetic use of
nutrients, if that is not the case, go to your closest pet shop and bring a
nice checkbook with you, you'll need it.

And how fat of a checkbook should one have to get your magic filter ?
BTW -
have you given a name to your invention yet ? Think about an "algae scrubber".
That would be pretty magical and for sure very original... ;-)

Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

My dear Cindy;
I came here not to brag about my scientific background, yet I did, I am
sorry..
I came here not to brag about my inexpensive filter yet I did, I am sorry...
I came here not to publicize my invention yet I did, I am sorry...
I built my system in a capitalistic society and it will be sold, I am
sorry...
I can't tell you how I did it because then I will have nothing to sell, I am
sorry...
If you think I am sorry, you most be a fool

jrs
"Cindy" wrote in message
et...
J R-S typed:
According to dictionary.com, an aquarists is he who maintains an
aquarium, in the other hand, a Marine Biologist is a specialist.
In other words, anyone that maintains an aquarium good or bad is an
aquarist. To be a Marine biologist you have to be a specialist on
the field.
Before I decided to enter the aquarist's domain, I was told not to
by colleagues because the "establishment" was going to start
bombarding me with obstacles since they had been doing things in a
very profitable way and bringing common sense to the domain was
going to encounter a lot of criticism.

When I came to this group I was hoping that my field knowledge
could bring hope to those that want to have a marine aquarium but
find it too expensive.

You can't bring much hope by making a lot of unsubstantiated claims.
How's it going to help when you won't tell us how you're doing it?

I started with a prototype of a sal****er aquarium and after 7
months running it with no water changes and with inexpensive
equipment. My hypothesis was correct; there is nothing to it but
common sense. It is that common sense that sparked the criticism
of, whom else, but those benefiting with selling that expensive and
overrated set of gadgets.
I finally finished putting together a nice display aquarium with a
bio/mech filter that has a built-in skimmer and extracts phosphates
and nitrites from the water without expensive investments or any
stupid chemical at all.

So what did you use and how did you do it?

Soon the filter will be in the market, I just have to get the new
system stable. It includes no expensive illumination, no hardcore
pumping system only a powerhead, no skimmer and no more than 2
water changes a year.

Oh, it's going to be "in the market"? I assume then that you've made it a
big secret because YOU want to make money off it. I get it.

If you are spending a lot of money on your system and the benefits
you are getting is just bragging rights, let me tell you something,
you can satisfy your bragging rights with a new Alpha Romeo and the
money will be well spent. In the other hand, if you want to have a
piece of ocean in your home for relaxation and aesthetic purposes,
talk to a specialist not to a custodian. There will be a marine
bio close to your house, ask him/her if your system is cycling
products and if there is an evident cybernetic use of nutrients, if
that is not the case, go to your closest pet shop and bring a nice
checkbook with you, you'll need it.


jrs

Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

yeah, yeah, yeah
I may be all that, so what? if I am an asshole and a fraud, what does that
make you?

jrs
"Karl" no.spam@formeoru2 wrote in message
ink.net...

"J R-S" wrote in message
...
According to dictionary.com, an aquarists is he who maintains an
aquarium, in the other hand, a Marine Biologist is a specialist.


Any REAL marine biologist would be thrilled with the fact that people
are able to not only propagate fish but corals as well in a home aquarium
thereby reducing and maybe even one day eliminating the need to collect
wild specimens from the world's depleting reefs.You sir are both an
asshole and a fraud.

Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

Maybe I am not, but maybe I am...
lol, listen, I live in Orlando, maybe we can arrange a meeting to show you
my display in a few months once the NO2 and PO4 are stable. At the same
time you can see my publications and current work.
Just for the hell of it son!

jrs
"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
...
J R-S wrote on 3/18/2006 5:06 PM:
To be a Marine biologist you have to be a specialist on the field.

Well then that leaves you out.

You should have titled this thread "Aquarists vs Troll" because you are no
marine biologist.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets

Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

Apparently the focus of your attacks are agains me as a person, not against
my findings. That is easily understood since I made a head-on attack to the
establishment and to stupid conventionalities... I can understand that...
Nevertheless, I am putting my invention on the line and already invited my
worst attacker to see my tank in person. Yes, I live close to Wayne and
after the design is stable, he and anyone else is welcome to see with your
own eyes that the darn thing works!

jrs

jrs
"Pszemol" wrote in message
...
"J R-S" wrote in message
...
When I came to this group I was hoping that my field knowledge could
bring hope to those that want to have a marine aquarium but find it too
expensive.

The problem is that you do not try to share your field knowledge here.
You make misleading comments (ie: ammonia should be there in the tank!)
and claims not backed with any details or recreatable at home recipes.

You arrived here just to heal your sick and weak ego, but you got
hurt with (well deserved) criticism for your not-so-friendly aproach.
Now you are crying about "establishment crushing your", complaining
about high priced equipment, and... writing about introducing on the
market a piece of equipment yourself. What is wrong with this picture ?

I started with a prototype of a sal****er aquarium and after 7 months
running it with no water changes and with inexpensive equipment. My
hypothesis was correct; there is nothing to it but common sense. It is
that common sense that sparked the criticism of, whom else, but those
benefiting with selling that expensive and overrated set of gadgets.

Anybody with experience in keeping aquariums had a chance to see
what you have done and confirmed it is something really special ?
Because you have no experience yourself, so you do not know what
is doable and what is not in our hobby.

I finally finished putting together a nice display aquarium with a
bio/mech filter that has a built-in skimmer and extracts phosphates and
nitrites from the water without expensive investments or any stupid
chemical at all.

Cool! Then share your knowledge and experience if you care...
If not - what is a TRUE reason you came here ?

Soon the filter will be in the market, I just have to get the new system
stable. It includes no expensive illumination, no hardcore pumping
system only a powerhead, no skimmer and no more than 2 water changes a
year.

No skimmer or built in skimmer? When will you decide on facts?

If you are spending a lot of money on your system and the benefits you
are getting is just bragging rights, let me tell you something, you can
satisfy your bragging rights with a new Alpha Romeo and the money will be
well spent. In the other hand, if you want to have a piece of ocean in
your home for relaxation and aesthetic purposes, talk to a specialist not
to a custodian. There will be a marine bio close to your house, ask
him/her if your system is cycling products and if there is an evident
cybernetic use of nutrients, if that is not the case, go to your closest
pet shop and bring a nice checkbook with you, you'll need it.

And how fat of a checkbook should one have to get your magic filter ?
BTW - have you given a name to your invention yet ? Think about an "algae
scrubber".
That would be pretty magical and for sure very original... ;-)

Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

"J R-S" wrote in message ...
Maybe I am not, but maybe I am...
lol, listen, I live in Orlando, maybe we can arrange a meeting to show you
my display in a few months once the NO2 and PO4 are stable. At the same
time you can see my publications and current work.
Just for the hell of it son!

Can I ask for a list of your previous publications ?
Maybe at least a list of journal titles ?
It would be cool to read something you wrote about
marine biology for a change... And it looks I will
never see anything like this written by you here...
So maybe you can list sci journal titles and volume
numbers I can find your articles in the library ?

Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

"J R-S" wrote in message ...
Apparently the focus of your attacks are agains me as a person, not against
my findings. That is easily understood since I made a head-on attack to the
establishment and to stupid conventionalities... I can understand that...

You know this is BS. I asked you about your findings and you did not
say anything. Then you behave like an asshole and you are very surprised
people focus on you not on the findings you do not make public...

Nevertheless, I am putting my invention on the line and already invited my
worst attacker to see my tank in person. Yes, I live close to Wayne and
after the design is stable, he and anyone else is welcome to see with your
own eyes that the darn thing works!

If your offer is real, you will post at least a list of your papers here
for everybody to see how smart you are and how much your words are worth!
Somehow I doubt this list will show up here... I do not know why ;-)

Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

Oh, not in Pembroke Pines anymore :-)

Yea, your not very far away now.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



J R-S wrote on 3/18/2006 9:43 PM:
Maybe I am not, but maybe I am...
lol, listen, I live in Orlando, maybe we can arrange a meeting to show you
my display in a few months once the NO2 and PO4 are stable. At the same
time you can see my publications and current work.
Just for the hell of it son!

jrs
"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
...
J R-S wrote on 3/18/2006 5:06 PM:
To be a Marine biologist you have to be a specialist on the field.
Well then that leaves you out.

You should have titled this thread "Aquarists vs Troll" because you are no
marine biologist.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets

Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

lol
"Pszemol" wrote in message
...
"J R-S" wrote in message
...
Maybe I am not, but maybe I am...
lol, listen, I live in Orlando, maybe we can arrange a meeting to show
you my display in a few months once the NO2 and PO4 are stable. At the
same time you can see my publications and current work.
Just for the hell of it son!

Can I ask for a list of your previous publications ?
Maybe at least a list of journal titles ?
It would be cool to read something you wrote about marine biology for a
change... And it looks I will
never see anything like this written by you here...
So maybe you can list sci journal titles and volume
numbers I can find your articles in the library ?

Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

have a nice day amigo
jrs
"Pszemol" wrote in message
...
"J R-S" wrote in message
...
Apparently the focus of your attacks are agains me as a person, not
against my findings. That is easily understood since I made a head-on
attack to the establishment and to stupid conventionalities... I can
understand that...

You know this is BS. I asked you about your findings and you did not
say anything. Then you behave like an asshole and you are very surprised
people focus on you not on the findings you do not make public...

Nevertheless, I am putting my invention on the line and already invited
my worst attacker to see my tank in person. Yes, I live close to Wayne
and after the design is stable, he and anyone else is welcome to see with
your own eyes that the darn thing works!

If your offer is real, you will post at least a list of your papers here
for everybody to see how smart you are and how much your words are worth!
Somehow I doubt this list will show up here... I do not know why ;-)

Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

First of all, I am sorry but, how did I insult your intelligence?
All I've gotten in this group is insult after insult just because I dare to
break from the main stream. Talking about trolls, yeah right!
Second of all, to be able to insult something, that something has to exist!
take it whichever way you want.
jrs
"TheRock" wrote in message
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J R-S
Aside from you being an antagonist to some in this group
we all have professional careers as well. For instance, I am a
Mechanical Engineer. So for you to continually come here and insult our
intelligence is getting old.

Your friends say you'll **** off the "establishment". I think you're
doing a fine job
at ****ing everyone off. Instead of participating and sharing experiences
you are dictating and putting people down. I'd say drop the attitude and
participate and people might end up liking you.

You certainly have something to offer this group, just don't have to be so
condescending.

I work with a few higher level engineers that could be management but they
never will
because they have ZERO people skills. Be a politician, be polite and
people will be more accepting. When I first came to this group
I knew who had the big heads and who didn't...the last thing you do is
charge in
kamikaze style and butt heads.

So your marine bio degree means nothing here if nobody listens to you.

Think...



"J R-S" wrote in message
...
According to dictionary.com, an aquarists is he who maintains an
aquarium, in the other hand, a Marine Biologist is a specialist.



In other words, anyone that maintains an aquarium good or bad is an
aquarist. To be a Marine biologist you have to be a specialist on the
field.



Before I decided to enter the aquarist's domain, I was told not to by
colleagues because the "establishment" was going to start bombarding me
with obstacles since they had been doing things in a very profitable way
and bringing common sense to the domain was going to encounter a lot of
criticism.



When I came to this group I was hoping that my field knowledge could
bring hope to those that want to have a marine aquarium but find it too
expensive.

I started with a prototype of a sal****er aquarium and after 7 months
running it with no water changes and with inexpensive equipment. My
hypothesis was correct; there is nothing to it but common sense. It is
that common sense that sparked the criticism of, whom else, but those
benefiting with selling that expensive and overrated set of gadgets.



I finally finished putting together a nice display aquarium with a
bio/mech filter that has a built-in skimmer and extracts phosphates and
nitrites from the water without expensive investments or any stupid
chemical at all.



Soon the filter will be in the market, I just have to get the new system
stable. It includes no expensive illumination, no hardcore pumping
system only a powerhead, no skimmer and no more than 2 water changes a
year.



If you are spending a lot of money on your system and the benefits you
are getting is just bragging rights, let me tell you something, you can
satisfy your bragging rights with a new Alpha Romeo and the money will be
well spent. In the other hand, if you want to have a piece of ocean in
your home for relaxation and aesthetic purposes, talk to a specialist not
to a custodian. There will be a marine bio close to your house, ask
him/her if your system is cycling products and if there is an evident
cybernetic use of nutrients, if that is not the case, go to your closest
pet shop and bring a nice checkbook with you, you'll need it.



jrs

Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

This is what I'm talking about. I can see making friends is tough for you.
So think about what I said. You can think somebody lacks intel, but you
don't need to say it.
You never insulted me, but people are spending more time arguing with you
than
using this group for what it's for. Helping and sharing experiences.

Like I said you have posted some interesting comments, work on your
approach.
I will, as most people, appreciate good feedback and ideas.

Maybe News Groups aren't for you.
Perhaps you should be writing articles for http://www.advancedaquarist.com/
or some other online magazine.

Be nice, not all of us get to live on a tropical island.
Some of us live in bum-**** North East freezing cold places.

later




"J R-S" wrote in message
...
First of all, I am sorry but, how did I insult your intelligence?
All I've gotten in this group is insult after insult just because I dare
to break from the main stream. Talking about trolls, yeah right!
Second of all, to be able to insult something, that something has to
exist! take it whichever way you want.
jrs
"TheRock" wrote in message
news:LydTf.1304$3t1.52@trndny08...
People, In Internet explorers News Reader there is an option to
block sender...Use it

J R-S
Aside from you being an antagonist to some in this group
we all have professional careers as well. For instance, I am a
Mechanical Engineer. So for you to continually come here and insult our
intelligence is getting old.

Your friends say you'll **** off the "establishment". I think you're
doing a fine job
at ****ing everyone off. Instead of participating and sharing
experiences
you are dictating and putting people down. I'd say drop the attitude and
participate and people might end up liking you.

You certainly have something to offer this group, just don't have to be
so condescending.

I work with a few higher level engineers that could be management but
they never will
because they have ZERO people skills. Be a politician, be polite and
people will be more accepting. When I first came to this group
I knew who had the big heads and who didn't...the last thing you do is
charge in
kamikaze style and butt heads.

So your marine bio degree means nothing here if nobody listens to you.

Think...



"J R-S" wrote in message
...
According to dictionary.com, an aquarists is he who maintains an
aquarium, in the other hand, a Marine Biologist is a specialist.



In other words, anyone that maintains an aquarium good or bad is an
aquarist. To be a Marine biologist you have to be a specialist on the
field.



Before I decided to enter the aquarist's domain, I was told not to by
colleagues because the "establishment" was going to start bombarding me
with obstacles since they had been doing things in a very profitable way
and bringing common sense to the domain was going to encounter a lot of
criticism.



When I came to this group I was hoping that my field knowledge could
bring hope to those that want to have a marine aquarium but find it too
expensive.

I started with a prototype of a sal****er aquarium and after 7 months
running it with no water changes and with inexpensive equipment. My
hypothesis was correct; there is nothing to it but common sense. It is
that common sense that sparked the criticism of, whom else, but those
benefiting with selling that expensive and overrated set of gadgets.



I finally finished putting together a nice display aquarium with a
bio/mech filter that has a built-in skimmer and extracts phosphates and
nitrites from the water without expensive investments or any stupid
chemical at all.



Soon the filter will be in the market, I just have to get the new system
stable. It includes no expensive illumination, no hardcore pumping
system only a powerhead, no skimmer and no more than 2 water changes a
year.



If you are spending a lot of money on your system and the benefits you
are getting is just bragging rights, let me tell you something, you can
satisfy your bragging rights with a new Alpha Romeo and the money will
be well spent. In the other hand, if you want to have a piece of ocean
in your home for relaxation and aesthetic purposes, talk to a specialist
not to a custodian. There will be a marine bio close to your house, ask
him/her if your system is cycling products and if there is an evident
cybernetic use of nutrients, if that is not the case, go to your closest
pet shop and bring a nice checkbook with you, you'll need it.



jrs

Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

"J R-S" wrote on Sun, 19 Mar 2006:
All I've gotten in this group is insult after insult just because I dare to
break from the main stream.

You're confused about the reason.

People here actually like "breaking from the mainstream". For example, it
was interesting when Ron Shimek (and others) started suggesting the benefits
of keeping a Deep Sand Bed in a reef aquarium. That's a relatively new
suggestion in the hobby. Ron provided lots of data, analysis, suggestions,
keep tons of successful tanks himself, wrote (and published) scientific
articles in marine biology journals, etc. All good stuff. No negative
reaction from "the establishment".

On the other hand, you've received "insult after insult" because you're
an asshole, not because you "dare" to break from the mainstream.

Lots of people have explained to you why, starting from the insulting tone
of your own messages, to your arguments from authority ("I'm a marine
biologist"), to your premature claims of success ("this is a better idea ...
or will be in a few months when everything settles down"), to your claims of
secret knowledge that somehow we're all too silly to adopt, yet you won't
actually reveal even the slightest detail.

This is why you're being insulted. Because you're an idiot.

However, plenty of nice, intelligent people have suggested new methodologies
for reef aquariums, and been welcomed with open arms. The difference in
your case is ... you.

-- Don
__________________________________________________ _____________________________
Don Geddis http://reef.geddis.org/
We like to praise birds for flying. But how much of it is actually flying, and
how much of it is just sort of coasting from the previous flap?
-- Deep Thoughts, by Jack Handey

Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

"Don Geddis" wrote in message ...
However, plenty of nice, intelligent people have suggested new methodologies
for reef aquariums, and been welcomed with open arms. The difference in
your case is ... you.

Well said, Don.

Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

Well, I do have to yield on you, thought me a good lesson.
It was just that I only encountered criticism in this group and I only
wanted to share, it came to a point that I will share nothing.
I am sorry, I will stick around and you are right, people are just spending
more time argueing with me than enjoying the benefits of this forum...

jrs
"TheRock" wrote in message
news:4ofTf.333$Qm2.268@trndny03...
This is what I'm talking about. I can see making friends is tough for you.
So think about what I said. You can think somebody lacks intel, but you
don't need to say it.
You never insulted me, but people are spending more time arguing with you
than
using this group for what it's for. Helping and sharing experiences.

Like I said you have posted some interesting comments, work on your
approach.
I will, as most people, appreciate good feedback and ideas.

Maybe News Groups aren't for you.
Perhaps you should be writing articles for
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/
or some other online magazine.

Be nice, not all of us get to live on a tropical island.
Some of us live in bum-**** North East freezing cold places.

later




"J R-S" wrote in message
...
First of all, I am sorry but, how did I insult your intelligence?
All I've gotten in this group is insult after insult just because I dare
to break from the main stream. Talking about trolls, yeah right!
Second of all, to be able to insult something, that something has to
exist! take it whichever way you want.
jrs
"TheRock" wrote in message
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People, In Internet explorers News Reader there is an option to
block sender...Use it

J R-S
Aside from you being an antagonist to some in this group
we all have professional careers as well. For instance, I am a
Mechanical Engineer. So for you to continually come here and insult our
intelligence is getting old.

Your friends say you'll **** off the "establishment". I think you're
doing a fine job
at ****ing everyone off. Instead of participating and sharing
experiences
you are dictating and putting people down. I'd say drop the attitude
and
participate and people might end up liking you.

You certainly have something to offer this group, just don't have to be
so condescending.

I work with a few higher level engineers that could be management but
they never will
because they have ZERO people skills. Be a politician, be polite and
people will be more accepting. When I first came to this group
I knew who had the big heads and who didn't...the last thing you do is
charge in
kamikaze style and butt heads.

So your marine bio degree means nothing here if nobody listens to you.

Think...



"J R-S" wrote in message
...
According to dictionary.com, an aquarists is he who maintains an
aquarium, in the other hand, a Marine Biologist is a specialist.



In other words, anyone that maintains an aquarium good or bad is an
aquarist. To be a Marine biologist you have to be a specialist on the
field.



Before I decided to enter the aquarist's domain, I was told not to by
colleagues because the "establishment" was going to start bombarding me
with obstacles since they had been doing things in a very profitable
way and bringing common sense to the domain was going to encounter a
lot of criticism.



When I came to this group I was hoping that my field knowledge could
bring hope to those that want to have a marine aquarium but find it too
expensive.

I started with a prototype of a sal****er aquarium and after 7 months
running it with no water changes and with inexpensive equipment. My
hypothesis was correct; there is nothing to it but common sense. It is
that common sense that sparked the criticism of, whom else, but those
benefiting with selling that expensive and overrated set of gadgets.



I finally finished putting together a nice display aquarium with a
bio/mech filter that has a built-in skimmer and extracts phosphates and
nitrites from the water without expensive investments or any stupid
chemical at all.



Soon the filter will be in the market, I just have to get the new
system stable. It includes no expensive illumination, no hardcore
pumping system only a powerhead, no skimmer and no more than 2 water
changes a year.



If you are spending a lot of money on your system and the benefits you
are getting is just bragging rights, let me tell you something, you can
satisfy your bragging rights with a new Alpha Romeo and the money will
be well spent. In the other hand, if you want to have a piece of ocean
in your home for relaxation and aesthetic purposes, talk to a
specialist not to a custodian. There will be a marine bio close to
your house, ask him/her if your system is cycling products and if there
is an evident cybernetic use of nutrients, if that is not the case, go
to your closest pet shop and bring a nice checkbook with you, you'll
need it.



jrs

Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

I will have to agree, so many people can't be wrong. It makes more sense
that I accept my arrogance and understand that the problem is me...

jrs
"Don Geddis" wrote in message
...
"J R-S" wrote on Sun, 19 Mar 2006:
All I've gotten in this group is insult after insult just because I dare
to
break from the main stream.

You're confused about the reason.

People here actually like "breaking from the mainstream". For example, it
was interesting when Ron Shimek (and others) started suggesting the
benefits
of keeping a Deep Sand Bed in a reef aquarium. That's a relatively new
suggestion in the hobby. Ron provided lots of data, analysis,
suggestions,
keep tons of successful tanks himself, wrote (and published) scientific
articles in marine biology journals, etc. All good stuff. No negative
reaction from "the establishment".

On the other hand, you've received "insult after insult" because you're
an asshole, not because you "dare" to break from the mainstream.

Lots of people have explained to you why, starting from the insulting tone
of your own messages, to your arguments from authority ("I'm a marine
biologist"), to your premature claims of success ("this is a better idea
...
or will be in a few months when everything settles down"), to your claims
of
secret knowledge that somehow we're all too silly to adopt, yet you won't
actually reveal even the slightest detail.

This is why you're being insulted. Because you're an idiot.

However, plenty of nice, intelligent people have suggested new
methodologies
for reef aquariums, and been welcomed with open arms. The difference in
your case is ... you.

-- Don
__________________________________________________ _____________________________
Don Geddis
http://reef.geddis.org/
We like to praise birds for flying. But how much of it is actually
flying, and
how much of it is just sort of coasting from the previous flap?
-- Deep Thoughts, by Jack Handey

Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

Ok.. Forgive and forget sounds like a great thing you know and that is
well to everyone without exception.


However this discussion on Aquarists and Marine Biologists sounds
interesting to me if people can stop freaking argueing and dredging up
old stones from other threads .. Seriously I am about to embark on a
Biology degree and I am very very seriously thinking about going
towards Marine biology. I have a number of hurdles one being I can not
communcate well take a look at my grammer and spelling. Another
hurdle would be my physical problem with my right ankle not working
very well. I would be very interested in whatever information people
are willing to share on either side of these Aquarist and marine
biology seriously.

Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

Well, let me give you my view...
As for deciding for a biology career, Marine Biology is not the most
profitable one. There are little positions and a lot of competition.
Nevertheless is more profitable than Oceanography, you see, if you want to
be in a ship 3/4 of the year, you want to be an oceanographer. A marine
biologists is more of a lab freak. You will be learning how to deal with
ALL the newest equipment and software there is.
There is when a marine biologist looks more like an aquarist. We spend a
lot of time in the lab testing, testing and testing some more. Then we read
and test some more.
An aquarist is just a hobbyist that chose aquariums as it target hobby.
I mixed both looking for a cheaper way to built a sal****er aquarium with my
coastal experience and some experience working for the Department of Health;
Environmental Protection.
It is interesting how easy is to apply your lab knowledge to a custom
aquarium and how much money you save.
About your ankle, well, you are going to be in the lab not scuba diving, for
the latter, become an oceanographer.
In my case, I have two publications, one with the Journal of Marine Biology
of the University of Miami and the other as a comulative environmental
impact statement in the XVIII symposium of the natural resources of Puerto
Rico. Currently I am producing and editing a series of fieldguides of the
wildlife of the Florida Keys, an interactive software to help in the
delineation of wetlands in Central Florida and developing a maintenance-less
filtration system for small sal****er aquariums. I am also a step away from
entering a university in search of a PhD.
What does it all have to do with your knee? an accident destroyed half of
my left knee's ligaments, pressure-fracture my lumbar 1 & 3 and left me
partially incapacitaded, yet look at all I've accomplished.
Don't let any physical impediment be an obstacle in your life!
jrs
"AverageSchmuck" wrote in message
...
Ok.. Forgive and forget sounds like a great thing you know and that is
well to everyone without exception.


However this discussion on Aquarists and Marine Biologists sounds
interesting to me if people can stop freaking argueing and dredging up
old stones from other threads .. Seriously I am about to embark on a
Biology degree and I am very very seriously thinking about going
towards Marine biology. I have a number of hurdles one being I can not
communcate well take a look at my grammer and spelling. Another
hurdle would be my physical problem with my right ankle not working
very well. I would be very interested in whatever information people
are willing to share on either side of these Aquarist and marine
biology seriously.

Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

"J R-S" wrote in message ...
In my case, I have two publications,
one with the Journal of Marine Biology of the University of Miami
and the other as a comulative environmental impact statement in
the XVIII symposium of the natural resources of Puerto Rico.

Is there any way to see this copy of the "Journal of Marine Biology"?
I have visited the library of University of Miami online and
they do not list this journal title at all. Is the journal name
any different? Or maybe I did not look hard enough... ?

I was also searching journals catalog by your first & last name and
also could not find it. I am so much interested in reading any of
your marine biologists texts but they are so, so hard to find!

Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

"Nevertheless is more profitable than Oceanography, you see, if you want to
be in a ship 3/4 of the year, you want to be an oceanographer. A marine
biologists is more of a lab freak."

You are clueless again lol Troll


" XVIII symposium of the natural resources of Puerto
" Rico.

Sure, show me a link to that or any ref to that

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"J R-S" wrote in message
...
: Well, let me give you my view...
: As for deciding for a biology career, Marine Biology is not the most
: profitable one. There are little positions and a lot of competition.
: Nevertheless is more profitable than Oceanography, you see, if you want to
: be in a ship 3/4 of the year, you want to be an oceanographer. A marine
: biologists is more of a lab freak. You will be learning how to deal with
: ALL the newest equipment and software there is.
: There is when a marine biologist looks more like an aquarist. We spend a
: lot of time in the lab testing, testing and testing some more. Then we read
: and test some more.
: An aquarist is just a hobbyist that chose aquariums as it target hobby.
: I mixed both looking for a cheaper way to built a sal****er aquarium with my
: coastal experience and some experience working for the Department of Health;
: Environmental Protection.
: It is interesting how easy is to apply your lab knowledge to a custom
: aquarium and how much money you save.
: About your ankle, well, you are going to be in the lab not scuba diving, for
: the latter, become an oceanographer.
: In my case, I have two publications, one with the Journal of Marine Biology
: of the University of Miami and the other as a comulative environmental
: impact statement in the XVIII symposium of the natural resources of Puerto
: Rico. Currently I am producing and editing a series of fieldguides of the
: wildlife of the Florida Keys, an interactive software to help in the
: delineation of wetlands in Central Florida and developing a maintenance-less
: filtration system for small sal****er aquariums. I am also a step away from
: entering a university in search of a PhD.
: What does it all have to do with your knee? an accident destroyed half of
: my left knee's ligaments, pressure-fracture my lumbar 1 & 3 and left me
: partially incapacitaded, yet look at all I've accomplished.
: Don't let any physical impediment be an obstacle in your life!
: jrs
: "AverageSchmuck" wrote in message
: ...
: Ok.. Forgive and forget sounds like a great thing you know and that is
: well to everyone without exception.
:
:
: However this discussion on Aquarists and Marine Biologists sounds
: interesting to me if people can stop freaking argueing and dredging up
: old stones from other threads .. Seriously I am about to embark on a
: Biology degree and I am very very seriously thinking about going
: towards Marine biology. I have a number of hurdles one being I can not
: communcate well take a look at my grammer and spelling. Another
: hurdle would be my physical problem with my right ankle not working
: very well. I would be very interested in whatever information people
: are willing to share on either side of these Aquarist and marine
: biology seriously.
:
:
:

Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

PZM

There is no such think as "Journal of Marine Biology
of the University of Miami"

But there is the Journal of Marine Biology
http://www.springerlink.com/(qtzhqd55htlj0n450nwhek45)/app/home/journal.asp?referrer=parent&backto=linkingpublicat ionresults,1:106515,1


He is just a TROLL


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Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

"Boomer" wrote in message ...
There is no such think as "Journal of Marine Biology
of the University of Miami"

But there is the Journal of Marine Biology
http://www.springerlink.com/(qtzhqd55htlj0n450nwhek45)/app/home/journal.asp?referrer=parent&backto=linkingpublicat ionresults,1:106515,1

Oh come on, give him a chance...
Maybe he has just misspelled the name of the journal ? ;-)

Anyway - two publications in a whole scientific career - that is really impressive! ;-)

Any other marine biologist, for example, professor Benayahu, might be very jealous
of these great Jaime's achievements. Jaime is like a Science King compared to this guy:
http://www.tau.ac.il/lifesci/departm.../benayahu.html
It will be really hard to find another guy with a great career like Jaime... we need to
consider ourselves very lucky his Highness lowered to our level and is speaking to us... ;-)

Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

Wow Pz I doubt anyone can compete with that guy .. That has to be the
culmination of 30 or more years of serious work.

But as far as Marine Biology I was reading a guide other day published
from NOAA and National Sea Grant College Program named
MarineScienceCareers.pdf Sorry I would offer up a link but to be
honest cant remeber it of top of head. Well anyhow it is a collection
mostly of interviews from various people within that spectrum of
careers. I saw everything from Marine Vets, to researchers on reefs
and inside labs and I think even some that worked in Medical areas of
research. Seems to me the spectrum of careers are very wide from one
degree path or am I very confused here? Their was also Aquarists in
their also with Marine Biology degrees and what they described they
were doing seemed to be above and beyond the small tank I have in my
house that is for sure. When I was in Alaska a year ago I got to visit
the Marine Life Rescue Center up their .. Now that place was just
awesome to me and seemed to me their was a lot of Aquarists their but
hard for me to beleive that all of those people housing out the tanks
all probably were working on PhDs.. and here I am a middle aged
aspiring poop scrub I suppose .. LOL

Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

"J R-S" wrote on Mon, 20 Mar 2006:
I am also a step away from entering a university in search of a PhD.

So, you're not even a graduate student yet?

And here I had the impression that you were a professor with a long and
distinguished career. (I graduated with my own PhD a decade ago.) Instead,
you're just a college grad.

OK, no shame in that. Thanks for clearing it up, though.

-- Don
__________________________________________________ _____________________________
Don Geddis http://reef.geddis.org/
The chicken is involved; the pig is committed.

Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

"Don Geddis" wrote in message ...
"J R-S" wrote on Mon, 20 Mar 2006:
I am also a step away from entering a university in search of a PhD.

So, you're not even a graduate student yet?

And here I had the impression that you were a professor with a long and
distinguished career. (I graduated with my own PhD a decade ago.) Instead,
you're just a college grad.

OK, no shame in that. Thanks for clearing it up, though.

Pretty disappointing, isn't it ? ;-)

Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

You know what is disappointing to me .. I am a 30 year old BLUE COLLAR
WORKER without any college education. Served in military and seen
Kuwaitii sand on 3 different occasions and I know when to stop
throwing cheap shots at people caus eI got some difference of opinion.
Seriously this group has and continually and is letting me down. On
first glace it appears to be a bunch of very helpful indivuduals but
dare not put your foot in your mouth once not like noone in here has
EVER DONE THAT! Seriously you have a PhD and other person is min a
bachelors to claim themselves an Electronic engineer and you guys
seriously are hung up on creditals and not trying to help. Stop with
the damn EGO BOOSTER CRAP already.

On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:06:56 -0800, Don Geddis wrote:

"J R-S" wrote on Mon, 20 Mar 2006:
I am also a step away from entering a university in search of a PhD.

So, you're not even a graduate student yet?

And here I had the impression that you were a professor with a long and
distinguished career. (I graduated with my own PhD a decade ago.) Instead,
you're just a college grad.

OK, no shame in that. Thanks for clearing it up, though.

-- Don
_________________________________________________ ______________________________
Don Geddis http://reef.geddis.org/
The chicken is involved; the pig is committed.

Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

And I guess I better stop posting in here since after I wont be
wlecome either lat and luck .. It doesnt matter what the guy is to be
honest .. He obviously put the axe down in past few posts didnt he ..
think about that for a sec

Later and luck with all this crap!


On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:24:37 GMT, AverageSchmuck
wrote:

You know what is disappointing to me .. I am a 30 year old BLUE COLLAR
WORKER without any college education. Served in military and seen
Kuwaitii sand on 3 different occasions and I know when to stop
throwing cheap shots at people caus eI got some difference of opinion.
Seriously this group has and continually and is letting me down. On
first glace it appears to be a bunch of very helpful indivuduals but
dare not put your foot in your mouth once not like noone in here has
EVER DONE THAT! Seriously you have a PhD and other person is min a
bachelors to claim themselves an Electronic engineer and you guys
seriously are hung up on creditals and not trying to help. Stop with
the damn EGO BOOSTER CRAP already.

On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:06:56 -0800, Don Geddis wrote:

"J R-S" wrote on Mon, 20 Mar 2006:
I am also a step away from entering a university in search of a PhD.

So, you're not even a graduate student yet?

And here I had the impression that you were a professor with a long and
distinguished career. (I graduated with my own PhD a decade ago.) Instead,
you're just a college grad.

OK, no shame in that. Thanks for clearing it up, though.

-- Don
________________________________________________ _______________________________
Don Geddis http://reef.geddis.org/
The chicken is involved; the pig is committed.

Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

You simply do not get it. That is the problem!

This thread was NOT about joining biologists profession.
Re-read the original poster and try to understand the subject.
It was just about Jaime complaining how bad group treated him...
And how does he disrespect everybody here because we are
simple hobbyist and not BIG SHOT "professionals" like him...
And it turned out his whole career achevments are two (2)
papers with a very suspicious existence anyway...

Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

To tell you the truth, the name is Bulletin not journal but I will post the
proper citation here later. No problem, if you just want to dissect it to
find any excuse to challenge my credibility, well, you'll find it.
Nevertheless, please take the veil off, I am not the topic, your over
spending on useless technology is...

jrs
"Pszemol" wrote in message
...
"J R-S" wrote in message
...
In my case, I have two publications,
one with the Journal of Marine Biology of the University of Miami
and the other as a comulative environmental impact statement in
the XVIII symposium of the natural resources of Puerto Rico.

Is there any way to see this copy of the "Journal of Marine Biology"?
I have visited the library of University of Miami online and
they do not list this journal title at all. Is the journal name
any different? Or maybe I did not look hard enough... ?

I was also searching journals catalog by your first & last name and
also could not find it. I am so much interested in reading any of
your marine biologists texts but they are so, so hard to find!

Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

lol, you are so pathetic I am not going to bother with you anymore, ignored
from now on!

jrs
"Boomer" wrote in message
...
"Nevertheless is more profitable than Oceanography, you see, if you want
to
be in a ship 3/4 of the year, you want to be an oceanographer. A marine
biologists is more of a lab freak."

You are clueless again lol Troll


" XVIII symposium of the natural resources of Puerto
" Rico.

Sure, show me a link to that or any ref to that

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"J R-S" wrote in message
...
: Well, let me give you my view...
: As for deciding for a biology career, Marine Biology is not the most
: profitable one. There are little positions and a lot of competition.
: Nevertheless is more profitable than Oceanography, you see, if you want
to
: be in a ship 3/4 of the year, you want to be an oceanographer. A marine
: biologists is more of a lab freak. You will be learning how to deal
with
: ALL the newest equipment and software there is.
: There is when a marine biologist looks more like an aquarist. We spend
a
: lot of time in the lab testing, testing and testing some more. Then we
read
: and test some more.
: An aquarist is just a hobbyist that chose aquariums as it target hobby.
: I mixed both looking for a cheaper way to built a sal****er aquarium
with my
: coastal experience and some experience working for the Department of
Health;
: Environmental Protection.
: It is interesting how easy is to apply your lab knowledge to a custom
: aquarium and how much money you save.
: About your ankle, well, you are going to be in the lab not scuba diving,
for
: the latter, become an oceanographer.
: In my case, I have two publications, one with the Journal of Marine
Biology
: of the University of Miami and the other as a comulative environmental
: impact statement in the XVIII symposium of the natural resources of
Puerto
: Rico. Currently I am producing and editing a series of fieldguides of
the
: wildlife of the Florida Keys, an interactive software to help in the
: delineation of wetlands in Central Florida and developing a
maintenance-less
: filtration system for small sal****er aquariums. I am also a step away
from
: entering a university in search of a PhD.
: What does it all have to do with your knee? an accident destroyed half
of
: my left knee's ligaments, pressure-fracture my lumbar 1 & 3 and left me
: partially incapacitaded, yet look at all I've accomplished.
: Don't let any physical impediment be an obstacle in your life!
: jrs
: "AverageSchmuck" wrote in message
: ...
: Ok.. Forgive and forget sounds like a great thing you know and that is
: well to everyone without exception.
:
:
: However this discussion on Aquarists and Marine Biologists sounds
: interesting to me if people can stop freaking argueing and dredging up
: old stones from other threads .. Seriously I am about to embark on a
: Biology degree and I am very very seriously thinking about going
: towards Marine biology. I have a number of hurdles one being I can not
: communcate well take a look at my grammer and spelling. Another
: hurdle would be my physical problem with my right ankle not working
: very well. I would be very interested in whatever information people
: are willing to share on either side of these Aquarist and marine
: biology seriously.
:
:
:

Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

"J R-S" wrote in message ...
To tell you the truth, the name is Bulletin not journal but I will post the
proper citation here later. No problem, if you just want to dissect it to
find any excuse to challenge my credibility, well, you'll find it.

http://mt7kx4ww9u.search.serialssolu...=B&N=25&B=1400
Let me guess, it was not a "journal" but "bulletin", and not "marine biology"
but "marine science" or something else - you are not really sure what... ;-)

Nevertheless, please take the veil off, I am not the topic,

YOU are making yourself a topic! Nobody wants that, but you made yet
another topic not related to marine aquariums on this newsgroup...

your over spending on useless technology is...

I am not overspending - my tank is using very natural methods
well known in this hobby before you have even started your first tank.
I wonder when you will realise you are trying to reinvent the wheel...

Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

"Boomer" wrote in message ...
" XVIII symposium of the natural resources of Puerto
" Rico.

Sure, show me a link to that or any ref to that

Look for "XVIII Simposio de los recursos naturales".
I have found something about XVII'th but nothing about XVIII'th.
Knowing how precise Jaime is with his quotations, it could
be even XIII or VII Simposio. It was so important paper even
he does not really remember ;-)

Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

Here let me help you find it

Bulletin of Marine Science, Rosenstiel School of Marine and Atmospheric Science,
University of Miami, 4600 Rickenbacker Causeway, Miami, Florida

http://www.rsmas.miami.edu/bms/thejournal.html


That is a far cry from the title you gave "Journal of Marine Biology
of the University of Miami"

So, you should now a friend of mine there to back you up, Dr. Frank Millero. Should I give
him a buzz ??????
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"J R-S" wrote in message
...
: To tell you the truth, the name is Bulletin not journal but I will post the
: proper citation here later. No problem, if you just want to dissect it to
: find any excuse to challenge my credibility, well, you'll find it.
: Nevertheless, please take the veil off, I am not the topic, your over
: spending on useless technology is...
:
: jrs
:

Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

"AverageSchmuck" wrote in message ...
Like I said before ..

DOES IT REALLY MATTER?

Yes, it does matter what the the thread is about :-)

See your wanting to completely humilate a
human being over this .. You looking to take apart everything he has
ever done and will do over something completely petty .. that is
ridiculous

You are missing the point, again.
I would suggest you to do a quick search of articles Jaime wrote here
and read them to get your own opinion. It looks like you have joined
this group recently and you have not witnessed his previous "shows".

Here is a link to this newsgroup archives:
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Aquarists vs Marine Biologists
 

I think I get get it now .. You ****ed on the trees and he is on wrong
side of them.. Oh sorry didnt realize you have staked out a portion of
the net. I know that is completely ridiculous statement but that is
what is going on here. hmm maybe a time line will help me understand

1. person made claims that go against what I have learned and
understood and everyone else. Does this make them wrong. Maybe maybe
not
2. Everyone asks for research data anything to back these claims.
3. none provided perosn says they plan on turning future profit
4. still none provided ... people start takeing cheap shots at each
other
5. cheap shots are getting more brutal Both sides here are guilty
6. alleged person is now trying to slow it up a bit but is still not
providing information
7. people still thowing stones at each other


Do you see here their seems to repitive nature to this paradign here.
The insults and trying to tear down a person is not getting you this
precious information your wanting to see. I hate to have to explain it
but what you have chosen to call off topic I call trying to turn a
negative downward spiralling conversation to something constructive
and maybe just maybe some sort of information would be produced. I
mean after all you can catch more flies with honey than vineger.

Their is absolutely no reason to attempt to kill someone reputation
over a claim they made if that was true the entire scientific
community would be in complete ruins .. Some very respected people of
today and yesterday have some very radical theories out their that
were never accepted in community but yet they still produced something
worth while later or earlier in their careers. Ussually best to in my
opinion to say eh I chose to disagree till I can be provided with
data to show me otherwise and leave it their. That way your still
looked at as an open resource and so are they. Nobody is ****ed nobody
is enemies and most of all noone has to waste their time with constant
insults. See when a person makes a claim and doesnt provide data they
have already lost debate until data is provided so no matter how you
see it your point was made leave it their already.

Hell I more than anyone would love to be able to have a reef without
MH lights etc.. OMG I would love that then I would have several but I
can barely afford the one I got because .. bingo lighting is insanely
expensive and I make my own completely from local electrical supply.
So I am already getting off cheaper than buying coralife or some of
those other lighting products on market.



On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:13:49 -0600, "Pszemol"
wrote:

"AverageSchmuck" wrote in message ...
Like I said before ..

DOES IT REALLY MATTER?

Yes, it does matter what the the thread is about :-)

See your wanting to completely humilate a
human being over this .. You looking to take apart everything he has
ever done and will do over something completely petty .. that is
ridiculous

You are missing the point, again.
I would suggest you to do a quick search of articles Jaime wrote here
and read them to get your own opinion. It looks like you have joined
this group recently and you have not witnessed his previous "shows".

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