Glow Fish
 

I went to one of the chains in our town today and saw "Glow Fish" with a
trade mark cymble. The label went on to say engineered to glow in the dark,
works better with a UV light, ect. What is that all about????
And I felt bad about Blood Parrots.

Glow Fish
 

They could be painted with a dye....

Glow Fish
 

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:12:08 GMT, "Rick"
wrote:

I went to one of the chains in our town today and saw "Glow Fish" with a
trade mark cymble. The label went on to say engineered to glow in the dark,
works better with a UV light, ect. What is that all about????
And I felt bad about Blood Parrots.


Genetically engineered zebra danios.

they won't let us have them in California

http://www.mongabay.com/external/glowing_fish.htm

http://www.time.com/time/2003/inventions/invfish.html

Glow Fish
 

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:57:05 GMT, Charles
wrote:

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:12:08 GMT, "Rick"
wrote:

I went to one of the chains in our town today and saw "Glow Fish" with a
trade mark cymble. The label went on to say engineered to glow in the dark,
works better with a UV light, ect. What is that all about????
And I felt bad about Blood Parrots.


Genetically engineered zebra danios.

they won't let us have them in California

http://www.mongabay.com/external/glowing_fish.htm

http://www.time.com/time/2003/inventions/invfish.html

I checked out these pages and all I can say is . . . but I won't
because we've been seeing enough bad language in the fish groups
lately.

-- Mister Gardener

Glow Fish
 

"Charles" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:12:08 GMT, "Rick"
wrote:

I went to one of the chains in our town today and saw "Glow Fish" with a
trade mark cymble. The label went on to say engineered to glow in the
dark,
works better with a UV light, ect. What is that all about????
And I felt bad about Blood Parrots.


Genetically engineered zebra danios.

they won't let us have them in California

http://www.mongabay.com/external/glowing_fish.htm

http://www.time.com/time/2003/inventions/invfish.html

Well they are available in the US now, in Florida.

Glow Fish
 

Mister Gardener wrote:
On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:57:05 GMT, Charles
wrote:

Genetically engineered zebra danios.

they won't let us have them in California

http://www.mongabay.com/external/glowing_fish.htm

http://www.time.com/time/2003/inventions/invfish.html

I checked out these pages and all I can say is . . . but I won't
because we've been seeing enough bad language in the fish groups
lately.

-- Mister Gardener

This isn't dyeing or tattooing and it causes the fish no pain or
suffering. I think celestial bubble eyed goldfish have it a lot worse. ;-)

--
Put the word aquaria in the subject to email me.
Did you read the FAQ? http://faq.thekrib.com

Glow Fish
 

Agreed !!!!

Glow Fish
 

"Altum" wrote in message
. com...
Mister Gardener wrote:
On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:57:05 GMT, Charles
wrote:

Genetically engineered zebra danios.

they won't let us have them in California

http://www.mongabay.com/external/glowing_fish.htm

http://www.time.com/time/2003/inventions/invfish.html

I checked out these pages and all I can say is . . . but I won't
because we've been seeing enough bad language in the fish groups
lately.

-- Mister Gardener

This isn't dyeing or tattooing and it causes the fish no pain or
suffering. I think celestial bubble eyed goldfish have it a lot worse.
;-)
=========================
I have a pair of celestials and they seem to be blind. They do get around
their tank fine and know when the food is dropped in. I keep them with a
few platies that they compete with very well. I personally don't think it's
such a great idea breeding fish so far from the norm, but these don't seem
to be that negatively effected by the eye deformity.
--
Koi-Lo....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

Glow Fish
 

They've been making green glowing mice for years (for scientific
research), I'm surprised the fish thing didn't come along sooner.

Glow Fish
 

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:12:08 GMT, "Rick"
wrote:

I went to one of the chains in our town today and saw "Glow Fish" with a
trade mark cymble. The label went on to say engineered to glow in the dark,
works better with a UV light, ect. What is that all about????
And I felt bad about Blood Parrots.



Glowfish, as already stated are gentically engineered. They have
been around for a number of years.

They are fish I used to push my wife into letting me get back into
aquaria.

In order to get the glow like you see in all the pictures, you need a
powerful UV light. The typical black-lights you see at novelty stores
and HomeDepot/Lowes will work, but are really not the best frequency.
The more light the better.

Once we had the 45 Gallon set up, cycled and settled in, we put 10
Glowfish and 10 regular Zebra Danio's. Two moves later we have 8 of
the ten zebra danios, but none of the Glowfish. They all died
between eight and twelve months after purchase.

In regular light they were nice, red zebra danios mixed in with silver
zebra danios, and really cool at night with the UV.. all green like
an almost dead glow stick.

I wouldn't do it again. Not worth the cost, IMHO.. 'less your a
school.....


--Tony

Glow Fish
 

ToeKnee wrote:
On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:12:08 GMT, "Rick"
wrote:


I went to one of the chains in our town today and saw "Glow Fish" with a
trade mark cymble. The label went on to say engineered to glow in the dark,
works better with a UV light, ect. What is that all about????
And I felt bad about Blood Parrots.




Glowfish, as already stated are gentically engineered. They have
been around for a number of years.

They are fish I used to push my wife into letting me get back into
aquaria.

In order to get the glow like you see in all the pictures, you need a
powerful UV light. The typical black-lights you see at novelty stores
and HomeDepot/Lowes will work, but are really not the best frequency.
The more light the better.

Once we had the 45 Gallon set up, cycled and settled in, we put 10
Glowfish and 10 regular Zebra Danio's. Two moves later we have 8 of
the ten zebra danios, but none of the Glowfish. They all died
between eight and twelve months after purchase.

In regular light they were nice, red zebra danios mixed in with silver
zebra danios, and really cool at night with the UV.. all green like
an almost dead glow stick.

I wouldn't do it again. Not worth the cost, IMHO.. 'less your a
school.....


--Tony
or you could get a glowlight tetra, unless they are geneticly alterterd.
They glow in the light and dark. had three for about a year and they
glow when things are good. I know water needs changeing when they get
dull(just kidding) :)

Glow Fish
 

"Koi-Lo" wrote in message
...

"Altum" wrote in message
. com...
Mister Gardener wrote:
On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:57:05 GMT, Charles
wrote:

Genetically engineered zebra danios.

they won't let us have them in California

http://www.mongabay.com/external/glowing_fish.htm

http://www.time.com/time/2003/inventions/invfish.html

I checked out these pages and all I can say is . . . but I won't
because we've been seeing enough bad language in the fish groups
lately.

-- Mister Gardener

This isn't dyeing or tattooing and it causes the fish no pain or
suffering. I think celestial bubble eyed goldfish have it a lot worse.
;-)
=========================
I have a pair of celestials and they seem to be blind. They do get around
their tank fine and know when the food is dropped in. I keep them with a
few platies that they compete with very well. I personally don't think
it's such a great idea breeding fish so far from the norm, but these don't
seem to be that negatively effected by the eye deformity.
--
Koi-Lo....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o



I agree with you 100% I don't know if you remember the bubble eye goldfish I
seen at petsmart who's bubble was popped, it was having a hard time swimming
and it does not grow back so he will have problems until he gets used to it
I guess. another thing breeders are doing is breeding different fish
together there are some cichlids that are breed from two other fish and
don't do well or live quite as long as others.
Nik

Glow Fish
 

I just feel bad for the glowlights because they are sterile ;)

Glow Fish
 

I mean the glowfish (trademark, patent, copyright) or whatever are
sterile, not glowlight tetras, just to be clear...

sidebar.... what does it take to trademark a fish species? Jack Watley
Discus for example, I believe they have TM by some of their names... so
watch out if you want to breed "Red Panda" tetras, you could have a law
suit on your hands! Are these even different species? ugh, I need to
take a biology class (and stay awake for it this time).

Glow Fish
 

Moments before spontaneously combusting Nikki
at was heard opining:

"Koi-Lo" wrote in message
...
I have a pair of celestials and they seem to be blind. They do get
around their tank fine and know when the food is dropped in. I
keep them with a few platies that they compete with very well. I
personally don't think it's such a great idea breeding fish so far
from the norm, but these don't seem to be that negatively effected
by the eye deformity. --

I agree with you 100% I don't know if you remember the bubble eye
goldfish I seen at petsmart who's bubble was popped, it was having a
hard time swimming and it does not grow back so he will have problems
until he gets used to it I guess. another thing breeders are doing is
breeding different fish together there are some cichlids that are
breed from two other fish and don't do well or live quite as long as
others. Nik
==================
I have one with a popped bubble. I was considering popping the other side
so she's better balanced. I know of the parrot cichlid that's some kind of
cross but think they're deformed and quite ugly.
--
Koi-Lo....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
Aquarium FAQ are at:
http://faq.thekrib.com/
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

Glow Fish
 

Hi..

I checked out these pages and all I can say is . . .

Right, this is no nocturnal fish. Why should it glow or be
kept in the dark?

but I
won't because we've been seeing enough bad language in the
fish groups lately.

;-(
--
cu
Marco

Glow Fish
 

On 25 Apr 2006 05:45:27 -0700, "Adam"
wrote:

I just feel bad for the glowlights because they are sterile ;)


Don't tell the ones I had that.... had three sets of fry before the
last died.

Two fo the fry were allowed to mature, the rest were fed to the
Angelfish... who really enjoyed the snack.

Best I can tell "glowfish are sterile" was a rumour....


--Tony

Glow Fish
 

"Koi-Lo" wrote in message
...
Moments before spontaneously combusting Nikki
at was heard opining:

"Koi-Lo" wrote in message
...
I have a pair of celestials and they seem to be blind. They do get
around their tank fine and know when the food is dropped in. I
keep them with a few platies that they compete with very well. I
personally don't think it's such a great idea breeding fish so far
from the norm, but these don't seem to be that negatively effected
by the eye deformity. --

I agree with you 100% I don't know if you remember the bubble eye
goldfish I seen at petsmart who's bubble was popped, it was having a
hard time swimming and it does not grow back so he will have problems
until he gets used to it I guess. another thing breeders are doing is
breeding different fish together there are some cichlids that are
breed from two other fish and don't do well or live quite as long as
others. Nik
==================
I have one with a popped bubble. I was considering popping the other side
so she's better balanced. I know of the parrot cichlid that's some kind
of cross but think they're deformed and quite ugly.
--
Koi-Lo....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
Aquarium FAQ are at:
http://faq.thekrib.com/
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o


yes they were the ones I was talking about, before finding out I ask the
place I go that breeds cichlids about them and they said no way don't carry
them or ever have them for that reason, which after coming home and reading
and getting info, I agree about the parrot cichlid, decided did not want
one, as to not add to the problem
About the bubble GF, mine is still at the store being treated I will pick up
this week so I been doing some investigating and I think I will do the same
thing, pop the other side for balance.
NIk

Glow Fish
 

Moments before taking that leap of faith into the pond Nikki at
was heard opining:

"Koi-Lo" wrote in message
...
I have one with a popped bubble. I was considering popping the
other side so she's better balanced. I know of the parrot cichlid
that's some kind of cross but think they're deformed and quite ugly.
===========
yes they were the ones I was talking about, before finding out I ask
the place I go that breeds cichlids about them and they said no way
don't carry them or ever have them for that reason, which after
coming home and reading and getting info, I agree about the parrot
cichlid, decided did not want one, as to not add to the problem
About the bubble GF, mine is still at the store being treated I will
pick up this week so I been doing some investigating and I think I
will do the same thing, pop the other side for balance.
NIk
======================
After watching these fancy GF with such deformed eyes, I've decided not to
breed them but allow them to cross with normal GF if I do put them outside.
The fry should have normal eyes but the same cute fancy bodies. I always
have a market for nice healthy GF. You don't realize how disadvantaged they
are until you buy them and see them everyday. These are my first celestials
and bubble-eyes. The celestials are the most disadvantaged.

I remember a woman who was breeding bulldogs back in the 1960s. When she
realized the problems the facial deformity caused so many of these dogs, she
became very angry and stopped breeding them. As vocal as she became about
breeding such things into our pets - she was ignored. Once a breed or type
is out there and sells, there will always be people to cash in.........
--
Koi-Lo....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

Glow Fish
 

"Koi-Lo" wrote in message
...
Moments before taking that leap of faith into the pond Nikki at
was heard opining:

"Koi-Lo" wrote in message
...
I have one with a popped bubble. I was considering popping the
other side so she's better balanced. I know of the parrot cichlid
that's some kind of cross but think they're deformed and quite ugly.
===========
yes they were the ones I was talking about, before finding out I ask
the place I go that breeds cichlids about them and they said no way
don't carry them or ever have them for that reason, which after
coming home and reading and getting info, I agree about the parrot
cichlid, decided did not want one, as to not add to the problem
About the bubble GF, mine is still at the store being treated I will
pick up this week so I been doing some investigating and I think I
will do the same thing, pop the other side for balance.
NIk
======================
After watching these fancy GF with such deformed eyes, I've decided not to
breed them but allow them to cross with normal GF if I do put them
outside. The fry should have normal eyes but the same cute fancy bodies.
I always have a market for nice healthy GF. You don't realize how
disadvantaged they are until you buy them and see them everyday. These
are my first celestials and bubble-eyes. The celestials are the most
disadvantaged.

I remember a woman who was breeding bulldogs back in the 1960s. When she
realized the problems the facial deformity caused so many of these dogs,
she became very angry and stopped breeding them. As vocal as she became
about breeding such things into our pets - she was ignored. Once a breed
or type is out there and sells, there will always be people to cash
in.........
--
Koi-Lo....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o


You are so right, I was at the lfs the other day and was watching the GF and
as they were eating I noticed the bubble eye ones were having a hard time
getting food they are at a disadvantage.
nik

Glow Fish
 

I just feel bad for the glowlights because they are sterile ;)

Only 90% of them...
The scientist couldn't get a 100% target rate.

Did you watch the Movie Jurassic Park?? ;-))


They'll get into the wild eventually.
You can bet your last dollar on it that some twit will release them
into a river.

I feel that if we start buying these little monsters, what's to stop
them GM'ing another bigger fish or even another bigger pet?

On the 'its not caused any suffering angle'. I wonder how many
genetically deformed fry the scientist made before he got fish that
were just what he wanted. A few thousand?

Is exposing a fish to only UV light even natural?

Things to think about surely.

Glow Fish
 

Nikki wrote:
"Koi-Lo" wrote in message
...

Moments before taking that leap of faith into the pond Nikki at
was heard opining:


"Koi-Lo" wrote in message
...

I have one with a popped bubble. I was considering popping the
other side so she's better balanced. I know of the parrot cichlid
that's some kind of cross but think they're deformed and quite ugly.

===========

yes they were the ones I was talking about, before finding out I ask
the place I go that breeds cichlids about them and they said no way
don't carry them or ever have them for that reason, which after
coming home and reading and getting info, I agree about the parrot
cichlid, decided did not want one, as to not add to the problem
About the bubble GF, mine is still at the store being treated I will
pick up this week so I been doing some investigating and I think I
will do the same thing, pop the other side for balance.
NIk

======================
After watching these fancy GF with such deformed eyes, I've decided not to
breed them but allow them to cross with normal GF if I do put them
outside. The fry should have normal eyes but the same cute fancy bodies.
I always have a market for nice healthy GF. You don't realize how
disadvantaged they are until you buy them and see them everyday. These
are my first celestials and bubble-eyes. The celestials are the most
disadvantaged.

I remember a woman who was breeding bulldogs back in the 1960s. When she
realized the problems the facial deformity caused so many of these dogs,
she became very angry and stopped breeding them. As vocal as she became
about breeding such things into our pets - she was ignored. Once a breed
or type is out there and sells, there will always be people to cash
in.........
--
Koi-Lo....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o


You are so right, I was at the lfs the other day and was watching the GF and
as they were eating I noticed the bubble eye ones were having a hard time
getting food they are at a disadvantage.
nik



Without wanting to upset anyone here...why are you buying these fish? It
creates a demand for them and so perpetuates the trade and breeding of
these fish....supply and demand...very basic economical principles....

Stop buying them and they will stop breeding them....

gill

BTW the dog analogy is a good one....but they are still bred and still
bought....and I'm sure cost their owners an arm and a leg in vet bills....

Glow Fish
 

"Gill Passman" wrote in message
...
Nikki wrote:
"Koi-Lo" wrote in message
...

Moments before taking that leap of faith into the pond Nikki at
was heard opining:


"Koi-Lo" wrote in message
...

I have one with a popped bubble. I was considering popping the
other side so she's better balanced. I know of the parrot cichlid
that's some kind of cross but think they're deformed and quite ugly.

===========

yes they were the ones I was talking about, before finding out I ask
the place I go that breeds cichlids about them and they said no way
don't carry them or ever have them for that reason, which after
coming home and reading and getting info, I agree about the parrot
cichlid, decided did not want one, as to not add to the problem
About the bubble GF, mine is still at the store being treated I will
pick up this week so I been doing some investigating and I think I
will do the same thing, pop the other side for balance.
NIk

======================
After watching these fancy GF with such deformed eyes, I've decided not
to breed them but allow them to cross with normal GF if I do put them
outside. The fry should have normal eyes but the same cute fancy bodies.
I always have a market for nice healthy GF. You don't realize how
disadvantaged they are until you buy them and see them everyday. These
are my first celestials and bubble-eyes. The celestials are the most
disadvantaged.

I remember a woman who was breeding bulldogs back in the 1960s. When she
realized the problems the facial deformity caused so many of these dogs,
she became very angry and stopped breeding them. As vocal as she became
about breeding such things into our pets - she was ignored. Once a breed
or type is out there and sells, there will always be people to cash
in.........
--
Koi-Lo....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o


You are so right, I was at the lfs the other day and was watching the GF
and as they were eating I noticed the bubble eye ones were having a hard
time getting food they are at a disadvantage.
nik

Without wanting to upset anyone here...why are you buying these fish? It
creates a demand for them and so perpetuates the trade and breeding of
these fish....supply and demand...very basic economical principles....

Stop buying them and they will stop breeding them....

gill

BTW the dog analogy is a good one....but they are still bred and still
bought....and I'm sure cost their owners an arm and a leg in vet bills....

I dont have any....If the girl at the store was able to cure the one she had
i told her i would take it other wise they were getting rid of it/ killing
it, but they said they would give it to me if i wanted it, that was the
first time i seen one, and felt bad for it...
nik

Glow Fish
 

"Nikki" wrote in message
...

"Gill Passman" wrote in message
...
Nikki wrote:
"Koi-Lo" wrote in message
...

Moments before taking that leap of faith into the pond Nikki at
was heard opining:


"Koi-Lo" wrote in message
...

I have one with a popped bubble. I was considering popping the
other side so she's better balanced. I know of the parrot cichlid
that's some kind of cross but think they're deformed and quite ugly.

===========

yes they were the ones I was talking about, before finding out I ask
the place I go that breeds cichlids about them and they said no way
don't carry them or ever have them for that reason, which after
coming home and reading and getting info, I agree about the parrot
cichlid, decided did not want one, as to not add to the problem
About the bubble GF, mine is still at the store being treated I will
pick up this week so I been doing some investigating and I think I
will do the same thing, pop the other side for balance.
NIk

======================
After watching these fancy GF with such deformed eyes, I've decided not
to breed them but allow them to cross with normal GF if I do put them
outside. The fry should have normal eyes but the same cute fancy bodies.
I always have a market for nice healthy GF. You don't realize how
disadvantaged they are until you buy them and see them everyday. These
are my first celestials and bubble-eyes. The celestials are the most
disadvantaged.

I remember a woman who was breeding bulldogs back in the 1960s. When
she realized the problems the facial deformity caused so many of these
dogs, she became very angry and stopped breeding them. As vocal as she
became about breeding such things into our pets - she was ignored. Once
a breed or type is out there and sells, there will always be people to
cash in.........
--
Koi-Lo....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o


You are so right, I was at the lfs the other day and was watching the GF
and as they were eating I noticed the bubble eye ones were having a hard
time getting food they are at a disadvantage.
nik

Without wanting to upset anyone here...why are you buying these fish? It
creates a demand for them and so perpetuates the trade and breeding of
these fish....supply and demand...very basic economical principles....

Stop buying them and they will stop breeding them....

gill

BTW the dog analogy is a good one....but they are still bred and still
bought....and I'm sure cost their owners an arm and a leg in vet
bills....

I dont have any....If the girl at the store was able to cure the one she
had i told her i would take it other wise they were getting rid of it/
killing it, but they said they would give it to me if i wanted it, that
was the first time i seen one, and felt bad for it...
nik
bubble eye GF sorry (i guess they have a real name but i dont know it)

Glow Fish
 

On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:30:20 +0100, Gill Passman
wrote:

snip
very big snip

Without wanting to upset anyone here...why are you buying these fish? It
creates a demand for them and so perpetuates the trade and breeding of
these fish....supply and demand...very basic economical principles....

Since I am the only person here (that I recall) that has admitted to
it...

I wanted to get back into aquaria.. and being a bit geeky, I used them
to tease me wife into it. She is hooked now, and we have nothing
but normal~ish fish.. no coloured, overtly GM'd animals.

Stop buying them and they will stop breeding them....

Not in this case.. the non-branded version have been used in labs for
years prior to being released to the public as pets. To my
recollection they were primarily used for cancer research.

And, in my defense... IF this works in my favour... I only used a
GM breed that had been around for years as a valid legitimate
research tool. IF my wife had been more open to a tank from scratch
with regularly available fish, I would not have helped them out by
adding to their profit...

shrug Yes, they are still in business, but I don't see them
lasting long, regardless of my support...

That said....I spent a lot of time at the LFS when I first started
off. Most of the people I saw looking at them were steered away when
I explained what the fish were, their supposed sterility, and how much
light it took to really get the glowout.

The fellow customers I spoke with ere all enthralled by the pictures
of them glowing. Only one LFS I went to actually had a decent
display.. they had the Glowfish in a black painted tank, in a dark
corner, with about $100 of high quality UV lights. Almost like the PR
photos... but the customer was left ignorant of what all went into
getting them to glow. Honestly... I and everyone else is all "WOW...
how cool looking"


I take no offense to the question, now or ever....


--Tony

Glow Fish
 

Moments before taking that leap of faith into the pond Adam at
was heard opining:

I just feel bad for the glowlights because they are sterile ;)

====================================
Nothing wrong with that - they can play and not pay! :-))
--
Koi-Lo....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
*Note: There are several *Koi-Lo's* on the
pond and aquaria groups.
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

Glow Fish
 

Moments before taking that leap of faith into the pond Gill Passman at
was heard opining:


Without wanting to upset anyone here...why are you buying these fish?

Like the bulldog lady it's hard to appreciate their handicaps until you
actually own them and watch them day by day, month after month.

It creates a demand for them and so perpetuates the trade and
breeding of these fish....supply and demand...very basic economical
principles....

There you go! BTW, I chose bubble-eyes with moderate bubbles. They have no
trouble eating or seeing. Those with huge bubbles I'm sure have a rough
time of it. :0(

Stop buying them and they will stop breeding them....

gill

BTW the dog analogy is a good one....but they are still bred and still
bought....and I'm sure cost their owners an arm and a leg in vet
bills....
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"Beano" wrote in message
...
Koi-Lo wrote:
Moments before taking that leap of faith into the pond Gill Passman at
was heard opining:


Without wanting to upset anyone here...why are you buying these fish?

Like the bulldog lady it's hard to appreciate their handicaps until you
actually own them and watch them day by day, month after month.

It creates a demand for them and so perpetuates the trade and
breeding of these fish....supply and demand...very basic economical
principles....

There you go! BTW, I chose bubble-eyes with moderate bubbles. They have
no trouble eating or seeing. Those with huge bubbles I'm sure have a
rough time of it. :0(

Stop buying them and they will stop breeding them....

gill

BTW the dog analogy is a good one....but they are still bred and still
bought....and I'm sure cost their owners an arm and a leg in vet
bills....


Hey since this thread is still alive, I thought I might add that my LFS
has been selling the same diseased painted glass fish for the last 2
months now... it seems no one wants to buy them... possibly because for
the last 2 months most of them have had unshakable ich! I never see any
dead ones in there, but they are definitely losing their colouring!

This is the first time I've seen these painted fish at any fish store
around my city. Seems they've arrived...

do you wonder if these "altered" fish are more likely to get sick and then
more hard to treat?
Nik

Glow Fish
 

Moments before taking that leap of faith into the pond Beano at
was heard opining:

Koi-Lo wrote:
There you go! BTW, I chose bubble-eyes with moderate bubbles. They
have no trouble eating or seeing. Those with huge bubbles I'm sure
have a rough time of it. :0(

This is the first time I've seen these painted fish at any fish store
around my city. Seems they've arrived...
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*Note: There are TWO "Koi-Lo's" on this NG*

I've seen them here for awhile now. I think they look truly ugly. The ones
I saw look like fish some 2 year old child with poor vision slabbered paint
on..... I wouldn't take them for free.
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Beano wrote:

Hey since this thread is still alive, I thought I might add that my LFS
has been selling the same diseased painted glass fish for the last 2
months now... it seems no one wants to buy them... possibly because for
the last 2 months most of them have had unshakable ich! I never see any
dead ones in there, but they are definitely losing their colouring!

This is the first time I've seen these painted fish at any fish store
around my city. Seems they've arrived...

It's not ich. Many painted glass fish have a viral infection called
lymphocistis. Healthy fish can fight off a lymphocistis infection in a
matter of weeks, but painting weakens fish and they can't fight the
infection. And yes, they fade. It has nothing to do with the virus.
The paint does its lethal damage and then fades, leaving the customer
with a sick glassfish that will die in a matter of months.

If your store does not usually carry painted fish, don't despair. It is
possible that your LFS supplier put the painted fish in the shipment
without asking the store. That happens quite a bit. I was in a pretty
good store that had a tank of pink-dyed white skirt tetras. I asked
about them and the fish manager said they had ordered serpae tetras.
They also had some dye injected cories they hadn't ordered - they were
getting ready to switch suppliers.

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Glow Fish
 

"Altum" wrote in message
et...
Beano wrote:

Hey since this thread is still alive, I thought I might add that my LFS
has been selling the same diseased painted glass fish for the last 2
months now... it seems no one wants to buy them... possibly because for
the last 2 months most of them have had unshakable ich! I never see any
dead ones in there, but they are definitely losing their colouring!

This is the first time I've seen these painted fish at any fish store
around my city. Seems they've arrived...

It's not ich. Many painted glass fish have a viral infection called
lymphocistis. Healthy fish can fight off a lymphocistis infection in a
matter of weeks, but painting weakens fish and they can't fight the
infection. And yes, they fade. It has nothing to do with the virus. The
paint does its lethal damage and then fades, leaving the customer with a
sick glassfish that will die in a matter of months.

If your store does not usually carry painted fish, don't despair. It is
possible that your LFS supplier put the painted fish in the shipment
without asking the store. That happens quite a bit. I was in a pretty
good store that had a tank of pink-dyed white skirt tetras. I asked about
them and the fish manager said they had ordered serpae tetras. They also
had some dye injected cories they hadn't ordered - they were getting ready
to switch suppliers.

--
Put the word aquaria in the subject to email me.
Did you read the FAQ? http://faq.thekrib.com

My neighbor has those painted fish, it was the first I seen of them, she got
them about a year ago, when I visit her I always check them out and since
she got them till now they have faded, she said she started with about ten,
now she has I think four. I kind of felt bad to see people doing that to
fish, I guess as long as people buy them they will continue to do it, just
as they do with breeding GF with big bubble eyes and so on..You would think
it could not be great for their health
Nik

Glow Fish
 

Nikki wrote:
"Altum" wrote in message
et...
Beano wrote:

Hey since this thread is still alive, I thought I might add that my LFS
has been selling the same diseased painted glass fish for the last 2
months now... it seems no one wants to buy them... possibly because for
the last 2 months most of them have had unshakable ich! I never see any
dead ones in there, but they are definitely losing their colouring!

This is the first time I've seen these painted fish at any fish store
around my city. Seems they've arrived...
It's not ich. Many painted glass fish have a viral infection called
lymphocistis. Healthy fish can fight off a lymphocistis infection in a
matter of weeks, but painting weakens fish and they can't fight the
infection. And yes, they fade. It has nothing to do with the virus. The
paint does its lethal damage and then fades, leaving the customer with a
sick glassfish that will die in a matter of months.

If your store does not usually carry painted fish, don't despair. It is
possible that your LFS supplier put the painted fish in the shipment
without asking the store. That happens quite a bit. I was in a pretty
good store that had a tank of pink-dyed white skirt tetras. I asked about
them and the fish manager said they had ordered serpae tetras. They also
had some dye injected cories they hadn't ordered - they were getting ready
to switch suppliers.

--
Put the word aquaria in the subject to email me.
Did you read the FAQ? http://faq.thekrib.com

My neighbor has those painted fish, it was the first I seen of them, she got
them about a year ago, when I visit her I always check them out and since
she got them till now they have faded, she said she started with about ten,
now she has I think four. I kind of felt bad to see people doing that to
fish, I guess as long as people buy them they will continue to do it, just
as they do with breeding GF with big bubble eyes and so on..You would think
it could not be great for their health
Nik



EEK! Yeah, well they didn't seem to be able to fix the so-called Ich.
Now I think back it did look more like your lymphocystis suggestion.
Well I'm happy that no one seems to be buying them. It's not a
particularly good shop that has them, but they have cheaper fish. The
other store that I really like costs a fortune. I think the difference
being that the other one is located in a very posh snobby suburb near
the city and the other one on flat low ground within a regular suburb.
Also, I think the cheaper one don't quarantine their fish when they get
them.

Glow Fish
 

"Nikki" wrote in message
...

I kind of felt bad to see people doing that to fish, I guess as long as
people buy them they will continue to do it, just as they do with breeding
GF with big bubble eyes and so on..You would think it could not be great
for their health
====================
*Note: There are TWO "Koi-Lo's" on this NG*

What happens with these mutations is the breeders go overboard. The fish
with the smaller bubble-eyes do just fine. But they're breeding them with
such huge monster bubbles they can't even hardly eat! I have a pom pom and
here again chose one with small poms (one died suddenly). But I've seen
them being sucked into the fishes mouth as they breathed in the FS, they
were so huge. The fish could barely eat as the poms get sucked into their
mouth the girl there said. There is no need to breed for such extremes.
--
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Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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Glow Fish
 

When references are made to the glo-fish that is a genetically modified
danio. Those are only available in red. There are also natural strains of
red Danios. The yellow, blue, green ones are a genetically modified rice
fish and was developed by the Taikong Corporation in Taiwan. For the purpose
of research of polluted water. It was the American ornamental community that
came up with the Danio for profit.

The Taikong fish are almost 100% sterile and there is like a 1% chance of
you getting a male and a female that can breed. The American copy is very
easily bred because they never put much into researching how they could stop
the fish from reproducing if they ever got released into the wild by
irresponsible fish keepers. You see the Taiwan company was responsible
because they were going to release these fish in the wild to see if they
could live and find where there was pollution. They did sell to the
ornamental trade to help fund the research and bring it to the public
because demand was too huge to ignore. The American firm was after profit
first.



"stuarth" wrote in message
ups.com...
I just feel bad for the glowlights because they are sterile ;)

Only 90% of them...
The scientist couldn't get a 100% target rate.

Did you watch the Movie Jurassic Park?? ;-))


They'll get into the wild eventually.
You can bet your last dollar on it that some twit will release them
into a river.

I feel that if we start buying these little monsters, what's to stop
them GM'ing another bigger fish or even another bigger pet?

On the 'its not caused any suffering angle'. I wonder how many
genetically deformed fry the scientist made before he got fish that
were just what he wanted. A few thousand?

Is exposing a fish to only UV light even natural?

Things to think about surely.