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Aphids on Lily leaves
I asked the people at Water Garden Gems in San Antonio about a means for
controlling Aphids on Lily leaves. Here is their response: Good afternoon, Aphid's can be controlled by using Safer Soap and spraying the pads. Be careful not to do it in the middle of the day, try to do it in the evenings so that the sun does not shine on the pads. Safer Soap is a safe product to use in and around the pond and can be purchased in most nurseries or Wal Mart in the gardening section. Thank You Connie I did find it at Wal-Mart. It is called "Safer 3-in-1" and comes in a 24 oz spray bottle. The cost was $5. Jerry in San Antonio |
Aphids on Lily leaves
"Jerry Jackson" wrote in message ... I asked the people at Water Garden Gems in San Antonio about a means for controlling Aphids on Lily leaves. Here is their response: Insecticidal soap such as Safer's works. So does a garden hose, just spray them off, let the koi eat them. -S |
Aphids on Lily leaves
is it safe for fish????? soap?????? I dont think so. Ingrid
"Jerry Jackson" wrote: I asked the people at Water Garden Gems in San Antonio about a means for controlling Aphids on Lily leaves. Here is their response: Good afternoon, Aphid's can be controlled by using Safer Soap and spraying the pads. Be careful not to do it in the middle of the day, try to do it in the evenings so that the sun does not shine on the pads. Safer Soap is a safe product to use in and around the pond and can be purchased in most nurseries or Wal Mart in the gardening section. Thank You Connie I did find it at Wal-Mart. It is called "Safer 3-in-1" and comes in a 24 oz spray bottle. The cost was $5. Jerry in San Antonio ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List at http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/ sign up: http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?...s=Group+lookup www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I receive no compensation for running the Puregold list or Puregold website. I do not run nor receive any money from the ads at the old Puregold site. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Zone 5 next to Lake Michigan |
Aphids on Lily leaves
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Aphids on Lily leaves
"Jerry Jackson" wrote in message ... I asked the people at Water Garden Gems in San Antonio about a means for controlling Aphids on Lily leaves. Here is their response: Good afternoon, Aphid's can be controlled by using Safer Soap and spraying the pads. Be careful not to do it in the middle of the day, try to do it in the evenings so that the sun does not shine on the pads. Safer Soap is a safe product to use in and around the pond and can be purchased in most nurseries or Wal Mart in the gardening section. Thank You Connie I did find it at Wal-Mart. It is called "Safer 3-in-1" and comes in a 24 oz spray bottle. The cost was $5. Jerry in San Antonio =========================== *Note: There are TWO Koi-Lo's on this NG* I would still remove the plant to another place to spray it. You never know! I would not want any kind of insecticidal soaps in my ponds. Some people recommend hosing the aphids into the water for the fish to eat. That didn't work for me as not one koi, goldfish or rosy-red would eat them. -- Koi-Lo.... Frugal ponding since 1995. Aquariums since 1952. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 *Note: There are several *Koi-Lo's* on the pond and aquaria groups. ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
Aphids on Lily leaves
On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:45:34 -0500, "Koi-Lo"
wrote: Yes, I know what you mean, I have zits on my ass that acid won't touch. "Jerry Jackson" wrote in message ... I asked the people at Water Garden Gems in San Antonio about a means for controlling Aphids on Lily leaves. Here is their response: Good afternoon, Aphid's can be controlled by using Safer Soap and spraying the pads. Be careful not to do it in the middle of the day, try to do it in the evenings so that the sun does not shine on the pads. Safer Soap is a safe product to use in and around the pond and can be purchased in most nurseries or Wal Mart in the gardening section. Thank You Connie I did find it at Wal-Mart. It is called "Safer 3-in-1" and comes in a 24 oz spray bottle. The cost was $5. Jerry in San Antonio =========================== *Note: There are TWO Koi-Lo's on this NG* and I am the imposter. I would still remove the plant to another place to spray it. You never know! I would not want any kind of insecticidal soaps in my ponds. Some people recommend hosing the aphids into the water for the fish to eat. That didn't work for me as not one koi, goldfish or rosy-red would eat them. Koi-Lo.... Frugal ponding since 1982. Aquariums since 1956. Some assholes Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 *Note: There are several *Koi-Lo's* on rec.ponds. But, I am the one and only original Koi-Lo. ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
Aphids on Lily leaves
I think it removes the slime coat on the gills... which are essential for oxygen
uptake. Ingrid Derek Broughton wrote: wrote: [re Safer soap] is it safe for fish????? soap?????? I dont think so. Ingrid That was my thought too. I'm not entirely sure what it is about soap that harms the fish. It's less problematic with low-foaming soap, and this probably is low-suds, but I don't think any soap is _safe_. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List at http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/ sign up: http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?...s=Group+lookup www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I receive no compensation for running the Puregold list or Puregold website. I do not run nor receive any money from the ads at the old Puregold site. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Zone 5 next to Lake Michigan |
Aphids on Lily leaves
wrote in message
... is it safe for fish????? soap?????? I dont think so. Ingrid Sorry Ingrid, but that response is fear mongering, with out any apparent basis in fact. The active ingredient in Safer Brand Insecticidal soap is 49% Potassium salts of fatty acids. Which has an LC50 of 18-30ppm on fish. In a 1300 gal pond, 18ppm is about 0.234 gal or 0.88 liter. Since the soap is at 49% concentration it converts' to half gal or 1.8L of product. A few spritzes of the stuff is about one ounce? Or about 0.6ppm. At that concentration it's not even worth bothering about. References: http://npic.orst.edu/factsheets/psfatech.pdf |
Aphids on Lily leaves
"Galen Hekhuis" wrote in message ... Some places sell ladybugs and other predatory insects. Would they work? http://www.planetnatural.com/site/se...cial%20Insects Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA Hell hath no fury like a bird in the hand. ================== *Note: There are TWO "Koi-Lo's" on this NG* I read in a gardening magazine they're a waste to buy. They fly away once released and the numbers in your yard or garden remain about the same. They said the same thing for Praying Mantis. -- Koi-Lo.... Frugal ponding since 1995. Aquariums since 1952. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/ ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
Aphids on Lily leaves
I read in a gardening magazine they're a waste to buy. They fly away once
released and the numbers in your yard or garden remain about the same. They said the same thing for Praying Mantis. This is what they claim in MG classes also. I found if you have a good source (I had a heavily infested wisteria) and you follow the directions on the bag, which say, wet source and release bugs after dark. They will stay long enough to clean up the infestation. There wasn't an aphid left to be found on the wisteria a week later. Now I have put them on a lily pad, sometimes it works and sometimes it just ****es off the lady bug, who immediately flies away. ;) Personally I'm still for hand squishing them. Even if Safer's is totally safe around fish (and for the most part it probably is, even though the bottle's I've seen say do not apply around aquatic animals) it will still leave an oil slick on your water surface. Depending on your filtration and flow the slick will either leave quickly or dissipate after a day or so. ~ jan -------------- See my ponds and filter design: www.jjspond.us ~Keep 'em Wet!~ Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website |
Aphids on Lily leaves
LC means lethal concentration. So harm without killing them will occur at lower
doses. If you evenly spread that "spritz" out into the 1300 gallons the toxicity is low. Dont know about your koi, but when they see me they come straight to where ever I am and you start spritzing the leaves there is going to be a much higher concentration locally where it is being spritzed and the fish will swim thru the area of higher concentration. this is also the problem with putting DRY potassium permanganate directly into the pond. where you put it into the pond is going to have a very high concentration especially because it sinks and doesnt dissolve instantly. the fish swims thru the areas of high concentration and fries their gills. even using a stock solution is tricky requiring mixing into the water with one hand while pouring with the other ... the flapping hand hopefully chases the fish away. nope, not for my fish. Ingrid "Snooze" wrote: wrote in message ... is it safe for fish????? soap?????? I dont think so. Ingrid Sorry Ingrid, but that response is fear mongering, with out any apparent basis in fact. The active ingredient in Safer Brand Insecticidal soap is 49% Potassium salts of fatty acids. Which has an LC50 of 18-30ppm on fish. In a 1300 gal pond, 18ppm is about 0.234 gal or 0.88 liter. Since the soap is at 49% concentration it converts' to half gal or 1.8L of product. A few spritzes of the stuff is about one ounce? Or about 0.6ppm. At that concentration it's not even worth bothering about. References: http://npic.orst.edu/factsheets/psfatech.pdf ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List at http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/ sign up: http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?...s=Group+lookup www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I receive no compensation for running the Puregold list or Puregold website. I do not run nor receive any money from the ads at the old Puregold site. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Zone 5 next to Lake Michigan |
Aphids on Lily leaves
"Snooze" wrote: wrote in message ... is it safe for fish????? soap?????? I dont think so. Ingrid Sorry Ingrid, but that response is fear mongering, with out any apparent basis in fact. The active ingredient in Safer Brand Insecticidal soap is 49% Potassium salts of fatty acids. Which has an LC50 of 18-30ppm on fish. In a 1300 gal pond, 18ppm is about 0.234 gal or 0.88 liter. Since the soap is at 49% concentration it converts' to half gal or 1.8L of product. A few spritzes of the stuff is about one ounce? Or about 0.6ppm. At that concentration it's not even worth bothering about. References: http://npic.orst.edu/factsheets/psfatech.pdf ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List at http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/ sign up: http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?...s=Group+lookup www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I receive no compensation for running the Puregold list or Puregold website. I do not run nor receive any money from the ads at the old Puregold site. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Zone 5 next to Lake Michigan |
Aphids on Lily leaves
~ janj wrote:
I read in a gardening magazine they're a waste to buy. They fly away once released and the numbers in your yard or garden remain about the same. They said the same thing for Praying Mantis. This is what they claim in MG classes also. I found if you have a good source (I had a heavily infested wisteria) and you follow the directions on the bag, which say, wet source and release bugs after dark. They will stay long enough to clean up the infestation. There wasn't an aphid left to be found on the wisteria a week later. Like any predators, they're not going to move if there's food to be had. It's just that what we consider a major infestation, because it's damaging perhaps just one plant, may not be enough to be considered a reliable source of food for a hundred ladybugs. In the summer of 2001 we had a major infestation of aphids throughout Southern Ontario. We had a corresponding infestation of ladybugs (generally Asian, not native - one of the drawbacks of releasing purchased predators!). Most people didn't think that was too bad, but in 2002 we discovered just what a single ladybug accidentally crushed in a wine press can do to a batch of wine. It wasn't pretty :-) They release a chemical that smells much like cat's pee. -- derek |
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