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can i convert my tropical tank to marine?
if so, what do i need for the conversion and will my existing cannister filter be ok for marine(with new media installed) Thanks |
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It would help if you stated what you had......Other than the tank, which is pretty well a given, its hard to say what is and what is not suitable for marine use and what type of marine tank your looking to setup.........FOWLR or FO or Reef or ?????????????????????? On Mon, 01 May 2006 17:17:53 GMT, Gav ""gavbriggs\"@[cut the spam]blueyonder.co.uk" wrote: can i convert my tropical tank to marine? if so, what do i need for the conversion and will my existing cannister filter be ok for marine(with new media installed) Thanks Koi-Lo.... Frugal ponding since 1982. Aquariums since 1956. Some assholes Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 *Note: There are several *Koi-Lo's* on rec.ponds. But, I am the one and only original Koi-Lo. ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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*Note: There are TWO "Koi-Lo's" on this NG*
"Gav" ""gavbriggs\"@[cut the spam]blueyonder.co.uk" wrote in message . uk... can i convert my tropical tank to marine? if so, what do i need for the conversion and will my existing cannister filter be ok for marine(with new media installed) =================== There are marine NGs you can ask this on. They have some very knowledgeable people who can better answer your questions regarding salt water aquarium keeping. -- Koi-Lo.... Frugal ponding since 1995. Aquariums since 1952. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 *Note: There are several *Koi-Lo's* on the pond and aquaria groups. ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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Yea, inother words Carol Gulley is telling you she does not know and does not have any links to sal****er (marine forums, since its way to much for her little simple milliterate in the gutter mind to comprehend.....Ask your questions here, they will get answered......might even be nbice to answer them without asshole Carol aka Koi Lo getting involved...or better yet, go to web forums such as reefcentral.com or creativereefing.com, or sal****erfish.com and get answers from folks without assholes like Carol confusing the issues. ] On Mon, 1 May 2006 12:52:18 -0500, "Koi-Lo" wrote: *Note: There are TWO "Koi-Lo's" on this NG* "Gav" ""gavbriggs\"@[cut the spam]blueyonder.co.uk" wrote in message .co.uk... can i convert my tropical tank to marine? if so, what do i need for the conversion and will my existing cannister filter be ok for marine(with new media installed) =================== There are marine NGs you can ask this on. They have some very knowledgeable people who can better answer your questions regarding salt water aquarium keeping. Koi-Lo.... Frugal ponding since 1982. Aquariums since 1956. Some assholes Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 *Note: There are several *Koi-Lo's* on rec.ponds. But, I am the one and only original Koi-Lo. ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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Roy wrote:
Yea, inother words Carol Gulley is telling you she does not know and does not have any links to sal****er (marine forums, since its way to much for her little simple milliterate in the gutter mind to comprehend.....Ask your questions here, they will get answered......might even be nbice to answer them without asshole Carol aka Koi Lo getting involved...or better yet, go to web forums such as reefcentral.com or creativereefing.com, or sal****erfish.com and get answers from folks without assholes like Carol confusing the issues. ] On Mon, 1 May 2006 12:52:18 -0500, "Koi-Lo" wrote: *Note: There are TWO "Koi-Lo's" on this NG* "Gav" ""gavbriggs\"@[cut the spam]blueyonder.co.uk" wrote in message r.co.uk... can i convert my tropical tank to marine? if so, what do i need for the conversion and will my existing cannister filter be ok for marine(with new media installed) =================== There are marine NGs you can ask this on. They have some very knowledgeable people who can better answer your questions regarding salt water aquarium keeping. Koi-Lo.... Frugal ponding since 1982. Aquariums since 1956. Some assholes Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 *Note: There are several *Koi-Lo's* on rec.ponds. But, I am the one and only original Koi-Lo. ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o There are some people on this newsgroup that also keep Marine, Roy being one of the most notable that I know of. If you prefer usenet to forums you might try out:- rec.aquaria.marine rec.aquaria.marine.misc rec.aquaria.marine.reefs I don't know how much traffic they get not having any interest in keeping Marine fish myself....others will know better.... Gill |
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Yea, and flattery will get you no place Gill......especially with the
blackmail strongarm threats type tactics you are trying to use.....Just not gonna work dude............Your emails really make your true colors come out.........about on par with some of the crap Carol Gulley posts.... On Mon, 01 May 2006 19:26:35 +0100, Gill Passman wrote: Roy wrote: Yea, inother words Carol Gulley is telling you she does not know and does not have any links to sal****er (marine forums, since its way to much for her little simple milliterate in the gutter mind to comprehend.....Ask your questions here, they will get answered......might even be nbice to answer them without asshole Carol aka Koi Lo getting involved...or better yet, go to web forums such as reefcentral.com or creativereefing.com, or sal****erfish.com and get answers from folks without assholes like Carol confusing the issues. ] On Mon, 1 May 2006 12:52:18 -0500, "Koi-Lo" wrote: *Note: There are TWO "Koi-Lo's" on this NG* "Gav" ""gavbriggs\"@[cut the spam]blueyonder.co.uk" wrote in message onder.co.uk... can i convert my tropical tank to marine? if so, what do i need for the conversion and will my existing cannister filter be ok for marine(with new media installed) =================== There are marine NGs you can ask this on. They have some very knowledgeable people who can better answer your questions regarding salt water aquarium keeping. Koi-Lo.... Frugal ponding since 1982. Aquariums since 1956. Some assholes Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 *Note: There are several *Koi-Lo's* on rec.ponds. But, I am the one and only original Koi-Lo. ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o There are some people on this newsgroup that also keep Marine, Roy being one of the most notable that I know of. If you prefer usenet to forums you might try out:- rec.aquaria.marine rec.aquaria.marine.misc rec.aquaria.marine.reefs I don't know how much traffic they get not having any interest in keeping Marine fish myself....others will know better.... Gill Koi-Lo.... Frugal ponding since 1982. Aquariums since 1956. Some assholes Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 *Note: There are several *Koi-Lo's* on rec.ponds. But, I am the one and only original Koi-Lo. ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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Roy wrote:
It would help if you stated what you had......Other than the tank, which is pretty well a given, its hard to say what is and what is not suitable for marine use and what type of marine tank your looking to setup.........FOWLR or FO or Reef or ?????????????????????? On Mon, 01 May 2006 17:17:53 GMT, Gav ""gavbriggs\"@[cut the spam]blueyonder.co.uk" wrote: can i convert my tropical tank to marine? if so, what do i need for the conversion and will my existing cannister filter be ok for marine(with new media installed) Thanks Koi-Lo.... Frugal ponding since 1982. Aquariums since 1956. Some assholes Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 *Note: There are several *Koi-Lo's* on rec.ponds. But, I am the one and only original Koi-Lo. ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o 4x2x2 feet tank, currently used to house a variety of plec and one lonely gourami. i have aqua one cannister filter, air pump and stone, heater dunno what wattage but it keeps the tank at a stable temp gravel and water(lol)there is also a jewel filter in the tank but it is not going to stay in there as it requires constant attention i have absoloutly no idea what different types of marine tank setup are but i do want to have a box fish(dunno what breed etc) as i fell in love with one i saw. i currently have four tropical tanks so i spend a lot of time with them, dedication is not a problem! i want to make sure the water and environment will be sustainable over time and that the fish will be happy to live in the tank. most of the shop0s in my area just want to sell you stuff not help you expand your hobby! many thanks in advice |
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Gav wrote:
Roy wrote: It would help if you stated what you had......Other than the tank, which is pretty well a given, its hard to say what is and what is not suitable for marine use and what type of marine tank your looking to setup.........FOWLR or FO or Reef or ?????????????????????? On Mon, 01 May 2006 17:17:53 GMT, Gav ""gavbriggs\"@[cut the spam]blueyonder.co.uk" wrote: can i convert my tropical tank to marine? if so, what do i need for the conversion and will my existing cannister filter be ok for marine(with new media installed) Thanks Koi-Lo.... Frugal ponding since 1982. Aquariums since 1956. Some assholes Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 *Note: There are several *Koi-Lo's* on rec.ponds. But, I am the one and only original Koi-Lo. ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o 4x2x2 feet tank, currently used to house a variety of plec and one lonely gourami. i have aqua one cannister filter, air pump and stone, heater dunno what wattage but it keeps the tank at a stable temp gravel and water(lol)there is also a jewel filter in the tank but it is not going to stay in there as it requires constant attention i have absoloutly no idea what different types of marine tank setup are but i do want to have a box fish(dunno what breed etc) as i fell in love with one i saw. i currently have four tropical tanks so i spend a lot of time with them, dedication is not a problem! i want to make sure the water and environment will be sustainable over time and that the fish will be happy to live in the tank. most of the shop0s in my area just want to sell you stuff not help you expand your hobby! many thanks in advice last word was meant to be advance! daughter jumping on me again! |
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Koi-Lo wrote:
*Note: There are TWO "Koi-Lo's" on this NG* "Gav" ""gavbriggs\"@[cut the spam]blueyonder.co.uk" wrote in message . uk... can i convert my tropical tank to marine? if so, what do i need for the conversion and will my existing cannister filter be ok for marine(with new media installed) =================== There are marine NGs you can ask this on. They have some very knowledgeable people who can better answer your questions regarding salt water aquarium keeping. i will be posting there too as i am seeking advice from anyone who can help me, if many people agree on a subject/answer then you can be sure it's a tried and tested method! |
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Koi-Lo wrote:
Yea, and flattery will get you no place Gill......especially with the blackmail strongarm threats type tactics you are trying to use.....Just not gonna work dude............Your emails really make your true colors come out.........about on par with some of the crap Carol Gulley posts.... Hmmm....but I don't post them.....do you even know what my true colours are????? Please, hit the reply to button and take this off of the newsgroup.... It is not about flattery, it is about reality and how much you know about stuff....far more than I do....so bite me for saying it..... Gill |
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I have a much better idea Gill........make a kill file with my name in
it.....use my earthlink so yoiu do not slight Carol and filter her out.......then you can filter just like the Canuck Derek.......afterall birds of a feather flock together....Even make a filter for Roy....then just forget I exist, and if everyone else does just this same thing, no one should ever get wrapped up in my posts to beigin with unless they have a desire to.........Sure I may reply to a post someone makes, but yur filters as such will keep my points of view out of your eyesight and never ending compulsion to reply to **** you should never have gotten involved in anyhow..And when yu start or other start paying my ISP bill then I may give you consideration in doing what you request.......until then, Don;t waste your time telling me what I can or can't do........and requests are not honored either. On Mon, 01 May 2006 21:42:10 +0100, Gill Passman wrote: Koi-Lo wrote: Yea, and flattery will get you no place Gill......especially with the blackmail strongarm threats type tactics you are trying to use.....Just not gonna work dude............Your emails really make your true colors come out.........about on par with some of the crap Carol Gulley posts.... Hmmm....but I don't post them.....do you even know what my true colours are????? Please, hit the reply to button and take this off of the newsgroup.... It is not about flattery, it is about reality and how much you know about stuff....far more than I do....so bite me for saying it..... Gill Koi-Lo.... Frugal ponding since 1982. Aquariums since 1956. Some assholes Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 *Note: There are several *Koi-Lo's* on rec.ponds. But, I am the one and only original Koi-Lo. ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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Roy wrote:
I have a much better idea Gill........make a kill file with my name in it.....use my earthlink so yoiu do not slight Carol and filter her out.......then you can filter just like the Canuck Derek.......afterall birds of a feather flock together....Even make a filter for Roy....then just forget I exist, and if everyone else does just this same thing, no one should ever get wrapped up in my posts to beigin with unless they have a desire to.........Sure I may reply to a post someone makes, but yur filters as such will keep my points of view out of your eyesight and never ending compulsion to reply to **** you should never have gotten involved in anyhow..And when yu start or other start paying my ISP bill then I may give you consideration in doing what you request.......until then, Don;t waste your time telling me what I can or can't do........and requests are not honored either. Now I have some issues with me doing this...forgive me.... 1. When you post on-topic the information that you give is invaluable and I've learnt a lot from this 2. Derek is OK - why go for him? 3. Your posts will put off any newbies who don't know that they need to filter... 4. If Carol did what you think she did why is she so desperate for me to share my research???? (haven't and won't) 5. If I kill-file you how do I know what you are doing to destroy the groups??? 6. How much is your ISP bill???? I'm sure a lot of us would chip in As I said, mail me....what are you scared of that you won't do that???? Maybe you are scared that you might actually like me???? You have my email account yet still want to thrash this out on the groups....what's your agenda - to kill them off???? I believe most people on this newsgroup would love this debate taken off-line.... Gill |
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On Mon, 01 May 2006 20:22:39 GMT, Gav ""gavbriggs\"@[cut the
spam]blueyonder.co.uk" wrote: Roy wrote: It would help if you stated what you had......Other than the tank, which is pretty well a given, its hard to say what is and what is not suitable for marine use and what type of marine tank your looking to setup.........FOWLR or FO or Reef or ?????????????????????? On Mon, 01 May 2006 17:17:53 GMT, Gav ""gavbriggs\"@[cut the spam]blueyonder.co.uk" wrote: can i convert my tropical tank to marine? if so, what do i need for the conversion and will my existing cannister filter be ok for marine(with new media installed) Thanks Koi-Lo.... Frugal ponding since 1982. Aquariums since 1956. Some assholes Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 *Note: There are several *Koi-Lo's* on rec.ponds. But, I am the one and only original Koi-Lo. ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o 4x2x2 feet tank, currently used to house a variety of plec and one lonely gourami. i have aqua one cannister filter, air pump and stone, heater dunno what wattage but it keeps the tank at a stable temp gravel and water(lol)there is also a jewel filter in the tank but it is not going to stay in there as it requires constant attention Just clean tank well, no further need for gravel in a sal****er setup. Marine tanks need to be kept in the area of 75 to 80, although some folks run them as high as 82 or so degrees.....the key is keeping the tank stabil in regards to temperature swings....Roughly 3 to 5 watts per gal is the norm for a heater. Best to run two heaters whose total wattage equals the needed wattage incase one sticks you do not cook the tank like one larger heater can do. i have absoloutly no idea what different types of marine tank setup are but i do want to have a box fish(dunno what breed etc) as i fell in love with one i saw. A box fish is a breed of fish......in the same species IIRC with puffers and cow fish. YOu can get by with the lights you already have if yu do not elect to keep any corals, but you could still have some liverock which is highly recomended. Live rock and live sand is the heart and soul of a marine setup, and if you use 1.5# or so live rock per gal you can just about eliminate the need for any filtration and get by with a simple hob type Aqua clear filter for some current flow and mechanical filtration and a few powerheads. I owuld not use crushed coral for the tank substrate as it adds little in the way of nbeneficial anaything to a marine tank.Use arogonite (calcium based) sand. It allows better use of bethic critters ability to utilize it. You need a clean up crew (hermit crabs, snails etc) and personally I would go with a shallow sand bed and not have the worry of getting gas buildup in a deep sand bed., At one time deep sand beds were the things, and they still sre in some cases, but best, easiest way with less problems overall is a shallow 1" or so depth of sand. You can use regular silica based sand as well but nothing beats real aragonite sand for a sal****er tank. Depending on what wattage your lights are, perhaps you can swap out a bulb for a suitable marine type setup and then keep a few soft type corals around such as zoos and mushrooms, as they add character to any sal****er setup. Cleaner or other type shrimp can be added.......but you have to decide what exactly you want in the way of fish as nmot all fish are compatable with a reef setup, some fish rely on a reef setup and others could get along without anyhting but a glass box with water and salt in it just fine..... You need an ammonia, nitrite and nitrate and PH test kit. Freshwater test kits will not usually work as marine tanks are nmormally kept at a higher ph than freshwater is (8.1 to 8.5 or so) Your gonna need a refractometer (preferred) or a hydrometer to keep check of your specific gravity (salt content). With fish only you can go with a 1.021 to 1.023 SG add corals or any tyope and your better off with a 1.023 to 1.025 or even higher SG. As for your present filter, marine tanks are counter to what a fresh water tank is. In freshwater folks use the filter to grow and house bacteria, in a marine tank enclosed filters etc normally do not, as they turn into a nitrate factory, which is undesireable for the most part in a marine setup........ A skimmer is nice to have but not necessary in a fish only (FO) tsank. LIve rock and live sand is pricey, but there is workarounds and methods to get around these problems, that work, but takes time...Here in the USA premium cured LR routinely sells for $7.00 or so a pound, but even a 5# chuck is beneficial to any tank than no live rock at all. A tank with sufficieint LR needs not real filtration as the liverock is the actual filter except for mechanical removal of larger debri, and its virtually unheard of a LR equipped tank ever getting a ammonia or niitite or nitrate problem like a fresh water tank can have...... Check out reefcentral.com creativereefing.com sal****erfish.com and wetweb media for lots of info on marine setups. i currently have four tropical tanks so i spend a lot of time with them, dedication is not a problem! i want to make sure the water and environment will be sustainable over time and that the fish will be happy to live in the tank. most of the shop0s in my area just want to sell you stuff not help you expand your hobby! many thanks in advice Koi-Lo.... Frugal ponding since 1982. Aquariums since 1956. Some assholes Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 *Note: There are several *Koi-Lo's* on rec.ponds. But, I am the one and only original Koi-Lo. ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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Gill Passman wrote:
Koi-Lo wrote: Yea, and flattery will get you no place Gill......especially with the blackmail strongarm threats type tactics you are trying to use.....Just not gonna work dude............Your emails really make your true colors come out.........about on par with some of the crap Carol Gulley posts.... Hmmm....but I don't post them.....do you even know what my true colours are????? Please, hit the reply to button and take this off of the newsgroup.... It is not about flattery, it is about reality and how much you know about stuff....far more than I do....so bite me for saying it..... Gill people, can we please get to my thread. i know how it is with views and territory in usenet but c'mon i need the help here! i really want to enter the world of marine , i am reading up as i type, but i am waiting for real people to give real live advice! |
Repost just for you GAV
See how screwed up asking and getting correct rep[lies in the USENET
really is........ya would have had a ton of replies by competent follks in a web based forum by now, sand I have yet to see your post on usenets only sal****er forum come up......... On Mon, 01 May 2006 20:22:39 GMT, Gav ""gavbriggs\"@[cut the spam]blueyonder.co.uk" wrote: Roy wrote: It would help if you stated what you had......Other than the tank, which is pretty well a given, its hard to say what is and what is not suitable for marine use and what type of marine tank your looking to setup.........FOWLR or FO or Reef or ?????????????????????? On Mon, 01 May 2006 17:17:53 GMT, Gav ""gavbriggs\"@[cut the spam]blueyonder.co.uk" wrote: can i convert my tropical tank to marine? if so, what do i need for the conversion and will my existing cannister filter be ok for marine(with new media installed) Thanks Koi-Lo.... Frugal ponding since 1982. Aquariums since 1956. Some assholes Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 *Note: There are several *Koi-Lo's* on rec.ponds. But, I am the one and only original Koi-Lo. ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o 4x2x2 feet tank, currently used to house a variety of plec and one lonely gourami. i have aqua one cannister filter, air pump and stone, heater dunno what wattage but it keeps the tank at a stable temp gravel and water(lol)there is also a jewel filter in the tank but it is not going to stay in there as it requires constant attention Just clean tank well, no further need for gravel in a sal****er setup. Marine tanks need to be kept in the area of 75 to 80, although some folks run them as high as 82 or so degrees.....the key is keeping the tank stabil in regards to temperature swings....Roughly 3 to 5 watts per gal is the norm for a heater. Best to run two heaters whose total wattage equals the needed wattage incase one sticks you do not cook the tank like one larger heater can do. i have absoloutly no idea what different types of marine tank setup are but i do want to have a box fish(dunno what breed etc) as i fell in love with one i saw. A box fish is a breed of fish......in the same species IIRC with puffers and cow fish. YOu can get by with the lights you already have if yu do not elect to keep any corals, but you could still have some liverock which is highly recomended. Live rock and live sand is the heart and soul of a marine setup, and if you use 1.5# or so live rock per gal you can just about eliminate the need for any filtration and get by with a simple hob type Aqua clear filter for some current flow and mechanical filtration and a few powerheads. I owuld not use crushed coral for the tank substrate as it adds little in the way of nbeneficial anaything to a marine tank.Use arogonite (calcium based) sand. It allows better use of bethic critters ability to utilize it. You need a clean up crew (hermit crabs, snails etc) and personally I would go with a shallow sand bed and not have the worry of getting gas buildup in a deep sand bed., At one time deep sand beds were the things, and they still sre in some cases, but best, easiest way with less problems overall is a shallow 1" or so depth of sand. You can use regular silica based sand as well but nothing beats real aragonite sand for a sal****er tank. Depending on what wattage your lights are, perhaps you can swap out a bulb for a suitable marine type setup and then keep a few soft type corals around such as zoos and mushrooms, as they add character to any sal****er setup. Cleaner or other type shrimp can be added.......but you have to decide what exactly you want in the way of fish as nmot all fish are compatable with a reef setup, some fish rely on a reef setup and others could get along without anyhting but a glass box with water and salt in it just fine..... You need an ammonia, nitrite and nitrate and PH test kit. Freshwater test kits will not usually work as marine tanks are nmormally kept at a higher ph than freshwater is (8.1 to 8.5 or so) Your gonna need a refractometer (preferred) or a hydrometer to keep check of your specific gravity (salt content). With fish only you can go with a 1.021 to 1.023 SG add corals or any tyope and your better off with a 1.023 to 1.025 or even higher SG. As for your present filter, marine tanks are counter to what a fresh water tank is. In freshwater folks use the filter to grow and house bacteria, in a marine tank enclosed filters etc normally do not, as they turn into a nitrate factory, which is undesireable for the most part in a marine setup........ A skimmer is nice to have but not necessary in a fish only (FO) tsank. LIve rock and live sand is pricey, but there is workarounds and methods to get around these problems, that work, but takes time...Here in the USA premium cured LR routinely sells for $7.00 or so a pound, but even a 5# chuck is beneficial to any tank than no live rock at all. A tank with sufficieint LR needs not real filtration as the liverock is the actual filter except for mechanical removal of larger debri, and its virtually unheard of a LR equipped tank ever getting a ammonia or niitite or nitrate problem like a fresh water tank can have...... Check out reefcentral.com creativereefing.com sal****erfish.com and wetweb media for lots of info on marine setups. i currently have four tropical tanks so i spend a lot of time with them, dedication is not a problem! i want to make sure the water and environment will be sustainable over time and that the fish will be happy to live in the tank. most of the shop0s in my area just want to sell you stuff not help you expand your hobby! many thanks in advice Koi-Lo.... Frugal ponding since 1982. Aquariums since 1956. Some assholes Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 *Note: There are several *Koi-Lo's* on rec.ponds. But, I am the one and only original Koi-Lo. ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
Repost just for you GAV
Art James wrote:
See how screwed up asking and getting correct rep[lies in the USENET really is........ya would have had a ton of replies by competent follks in a web based forum by now, sand I have yet to see your post on usenets only sal****er forum come up......... Well, I actually think that you gave a good reply starters....additionally, you are quite right more specialist Marine forums or web based stuff will also help.... Unless of course we have multiple earthlink posters...for which I apologise for my comments...or not maybe... gill |
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Gav wrote:
people, can we please get to my thread. i know how it is with views and territory in usenet but c'mon i need the help here! i really want to enter the world of marine , i am reading up as i type, but i am waiting for real people to give real live advice! Roy can give you good advice....the newsgroups I posted also will also do so as will the web based forums that Roy suggested....I know of noone else on the freshwater groups than give you better advice than Roy although I may be doing one or two down by saying this, but I say Roy because he is the only one that has the real experience to my knowledge....this is a freshwater group rather than marine...but we will help you the best that we can.... Gill |
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*Note: There are TWO "Koi-Lo's" on this NG*
"Roy" also impersonates Koi-Lo invalid.invalid wrote in message ... Yea, inother words Carol Gulley is telling you she does not know and does not have any links to sal****er (marine forums, since its way to much for her little simple milliterate in the gutter mind to comprehend.....Ask your questions here, they will get answered..... You can stop the immature childish constant attacks on me Roy. I'm not leaving these NGs so get used to it. All you're doing with your endless harassment and foul mouth is driving people away. Use your killfile if you don't like what I post. ..might even be nbice to answer them without asshole Carol aka Koi Lo getting involved... And you're the biggest AH here Roy, impersonating me, nym-shifting, being rude of people and turning these NGs into your private circus. A place to vent your inner rage..... SEEK HELP! Snip the usual BS! -- Koi-Lo.... Frugal ponding since 1995. Aquariums since 1952. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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Another IMPERSONATION by ROY as he verbally abuses and attacks another
poster! From: lid (Koi-Lo ) Newsgroups: rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc Subject: Tropical To Marine Organization: Dālmāniō© Carol 's Pimp Daddy -- *Carol is his wife.* Reply-To: lid Message-ID: "Koi-Lo " wrote in message ... Yea, and flattery will get you no place Gill......especially with the blackmail strongarm threats type tactics you are trying to use.....Just not gonna work dude............Your emails really make your true colors come out.........about on par with some of the crap Carol Gulley posts.... |
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Bite my ass bitch.........then go out and hit the streets like the ho
you were rasied to be. Randy needs some beer money. On Mon, 1 May 2006 18:23:19 -0500, "Koi-Lo" wrote: *Note: There are TWO "Koi-Lo's" on this NG* "Roy" also impersonates Koi-Lo invalid.invalid wrote in message ... Yea, inother words Carol Gulley is telling you she does not know and does not have any links to sal****er (marine forums, since its way to much for her little simple milliterate in the gutter mind to comprehend.....Ask your questions here, they will get answered..... You can stop the immature childish constant attacks on me Roy. I'm not leaving these NGs so get used to it. All you're doing with your endless harassment and foul mouth is driving people away. Use your killfile if you don't like what I post. .might even be nbice to answer them without asshole Carol aka Koi Lo getting involved... And you're the biggest AH here Roy, impersonating me, nym-shifting, being rude of people and turning these NGs into your private circus. A place to vent your inner rage..... SEEK HELP! Snip the usual BS! Koi-Lo.... Frugal ponding since 1982. Aquariums since 1956. Some assholes Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 *Note: There are several *Koi-Lo's* on rec.ponds. But, I am the one and only original Koi-Lo. ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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Impersonating who, you, get a life bitch. Aint it about time for you
to hit the road and start your hustling ways so you can get randy some beer money up? See bitch, you could have left thiese posts pass and nothing else would have come out of them, soyou evidently like to keep the pot stirred sso I am more than happy to oblige with your sorry one sided view of who is who and whats right on the usenet forums.....and the others may as well get used to it.........as I sure as hell am not going anywhere either...... Ya just can;t stand it, can you bitch? On Mon, 1 May 2006 18:25:51 -0500, "Koi-Lo" wrote: Another IMPERSONATION by ROY as he verbally abuses and attacks another poster! From: lid (Koi-Lo ) Newsgroups: rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc Subject: Tropical To Marine Organization: Dālmāniō© Carol 's Pimp Daddy -- *Carol is his wife.* Reply-To: lid Message-ID: "Koi-Lo " wrote in message . .. Yea, and flattery will get you no place Gill......especially with the blackmail strongarm threats type tactics you are trying to use.....Just not gonna work dude............Your emails really make your true colors come out.........about on par with some of the crap Carol Gulley posts.... Koi-Lo.... Frugal ponding since 1982. Aquariums since 1956. Some assholes Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 *Note: There are several *Koi-Lo's* on rec.ponds. But, I am the one and only original Koi-Lo. ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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"Gill Passman" wrote in message ... Roy wrote: I have a much better idea Gill........make a kill file with my name in it.....use my earthlink so yoiu do not slight Carol and filter her out.......then you can filter just like the Canuck Derek.......afterall birds of a feather flock together....Even make a filter for Roy....then just forget I exist, and if everyone else does just this same thing, no one should ever get wrapped up in my posts to beigin with unless they have a desire to.........Sure I may reply to a post someone makes, but yur filters as such will keep my points of view out of your eyesight and never ending compulsion to reply to **** you should never have gotten involved in anyhow..And when yu start or other start paying my ISP bill then I may give you consideration in doing what you request.......until then, Don;t waste your time telling me what I can or can't do........and requests are not honored either. ========= Now I have some issues with me doing this...forgive me.... 1. When you post on-topic the information that you give is invaluable and I've learnt a lot from this I'm going to interject here. Who wants to dig trough the septic tank so many of his messages are to find one penny he may drop into the filth he deposits here on everyone? 2. Derek is OK - why go for him? You have to ask him Gill? It's because Roy can't tolerate anyone he feels isn't on his side in crucifying me. 3. Your posts will put off any newbies who don't know that they need to filter... Stop and think Gill - he uses *MY NYM* when posting his toxic waste - and his own otherwise. This is a vicious troll trick to get their victim killfiled and get them a bad name. Now he's nym-shifting to avoid killfiles, just look at his headers. 4. If Carol did what you think she did why is she so desperate for me to share my research???? (haven't and won't) That was his BS excuse to crucify me, harass me and now net-stalk me Gill,... THINK!!!! You wont win his favor with complimenting him, or telling him you wont share the information with me, even though you know he's out to destroy me and my family for no other reason than that he's vicious and mentally ill. And now *this comment of yours* is making me wonder..... you seem to be using it to try and win his favor. 5. If I kill-file you how do I know what you are doing to destroy the groups??? Gill.... wise up,... he's out to destroy these groups using *ME* and his imaginary wildlife agents and pulled website as the excuse. If his website was pulled it was because he had something illegal on the site. No ISP pulls a website because someone calls them and asks them to pull it. This is just like Antonio using his daughter as his excuse. If it's not the daughter it's something else. Please, spend a few minutes reading some troll sites and learn why and how they accomplish their goals. You're not going to get anywhere with him. 6. How much is your ISP bill???? I'm sure a lot of us would chip in As I said, mail me....what are you scared of that you won't do that???? Maybe you are scared that you might actually like me???? You have my email account yet still want to thrash this out on the groups....what's your agenda - to kill them off???? YES! That's his agenda. Even a blind person could see it. Maybe it's needs to be thrashed out here instead of all the cloak and dagger by e-mail. You keep telling me to keep silent, not defend myself, not say anything, ignore him, be harassed and attacked along with the NGs and suffer in silence. I'm tired of it Gill. It's not getting any of us anywhere. Handling this sick individual with kid gloves and patronizing him is a waste of time. There's no way to get rid of him so what's the solution? He knows damn well I had nothing to do with his legal problems since I don't even know who he is, the miserable liar. I believe most people on this newsgroup would love this debate taken off-line.... That's not possible because *HE* wants it here... it's FUN for him, it's exciting as he's already admitted on rec.ponds. Must I pull his old message and post it here? There's no way he'll take this "fun and excitement" off-line. What an empty, miserable, lonely life he must have.......... -- Koi-Lo.... Frugal ponding since 1995. Aquariums since 1952. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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*Note: There are TWO "Koi-Lo's" on this NG*
"Gav" ""gavbriggs\"@[cut the spam]blueyonder.co.uk" wrote in message k... i will be posting there too as i am seeking advice from anyone who can help me, if many people agree on a subject/answer then you can be sure it's a tried and tested method! ================ You're sure welcome to post here. :-) However most of us aren't into marine tanks so I hope you're not disappointed. -- Koi-Lo.... Frugal ponding since 1995. Aquariums since 1952. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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Koi-Lo wrote:
"Gill Passman" wrote in message ... Roy wrote: I have a much better idea Gill........make a kill file with my name in it.....use my earthlink so yoiu do not slight Carol and filter her out.......then you can filter just like the Canuck Derek.......afterall birds of a feather flock together....Even make a filter for Roy....then just forget I exist, and if everyone else does just this same thing, no one should ever get wrapped up in my posts to beigin with unless they have a desire to.........Sure I may reply to a post someone makes, but yur filters as such will keep my points of view out of your eyesight and never ending compulsion to reply to **** you should never have gotten involved in anyhow..And when yu start or other start paying my ISP bill then I may give you consideration in doing what you request.......until then, Don;t waste your time telling me what I can or can't do........and requests are not honored either. ========= Now I have some issues with me doing this...forgive me.... 1. When you post on-topic the information that you give is invaluable and I've learnt a lot from this I'm going to interject here. Who wants to dig trough the septic tank so many of his messages are to find one penny he may drop into the filth he deposits here on everyone? 2. Derek is OK - why go for him? You have to ask him Gill? It's because Roy can't tolerate anyone he feels isn't on his side in crucifying me. 3. Your posts will put off any newbies who don't know that they need to filter... Stop and think Gill - he uses *MY NYM* when posting his toxic waste - and his own otherwise. This is a vicious troll trick to get their victim killfiled and get them a bad name. Now he's nym-shifting to avoid killfiles, just look at his headers. 4. If Carol did what you think she did why is she so desperate for me to share my research???? (haven't and won't) That was his BS excuse to crucify me, harass me and now net-stalk me Gill,... THINK!!!! You wont win his favor with complimenting him, or telling him you wont share the information with me, even though you know he's out to destroy me and my family for no other reason than that he's vicious and mentally ill. And now *this comment of yours* is making me wonder..... you seem to be using it to try and win his favor. 5. If I kill-file you how do I know what you are doing to destroy the groups??? Gill.... wise up,... he's out to destroy these groups using *ME* and his imaginary wildlife agents and pulled website as the excuse. If his website was pulled it was because he had something illegal on the site. No ISP pulls a website because someone calls them and asks them to pull it. This is just like Antonio using his daughter as his excuse. If it's not the daughter it's something else. Please, spend a few minutes reading some troll sites and learn why and how they accomplish their goals. You're not going to get anywhere with him. 6. How much is your ISP bill???? I'm sure a lot of us would chip in As I said, mail me....what are you scared of that you won't do that???? Maybe you are scared that you might actually like me???? You have my email account yet still want to thrash this out on the groups....what's your agenda - to kill them off???? YES! That's his agenda. Even a blind person could see it. Maybe it's needs to be thrashed out here instead of all the cloak and dagger by e-mail. You keep telling me to keep silent, not defend myself, not say anything, ignore him, be harassed and attacked along with the NGs and suffer in silence. I'm tired of it Gill. It's not getting any of us anywhere. Handling this sick individual with kid gloves and patronizing him is a waste of time. There's no way to get rid of him so what's the solution? He knows damn well I had nothing to do with his legal problems since I don't even know who he is, the miserable liar. I believe most people on this newsgroup would love this debate taken off-line.... That's not possible because *HE* wants it here... it's FUN for him, it's exciting as he's already admitted on rec.ponds. Must I pull his old message and post it here? There's no way he'll take this "fun and excitement" off-line. What an empty, miserable, lonely life he must have.......... But your big kudos is that you do normally keep it off-line and try and keep it that way and are a nice person to boot.....keep it that way....I've got to usenet before email....hey, you never know maybe Roy had the guts to mail me.....(doubt it).... Let us keep it off the groups....you have been brilliant in doing this to date....and I know that I have been busy with living real life...but it happens....and maybe should more often do this....but just coz reality gets in the way doesn't mean I've stopped caring about what is going on with our groups..... Gill |
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Gav wrote:
people, can we please get to my thread. i know how it is with views and territory in usenet but c'mon i need the help here! i really want to enter the world of marine , i am reading up as i type, but i am waiting for real people to give real live advice! You're asking for marine advice in a group full of freshwater aquarists. Try rec.aquaria.marine.reefs. It's an active newsgroup specific to marine aquaria. IMO, canister filters are only suitable for fish-only marine setups, and only with some additional biofiltration like a bio-wheel. Canisters are hard to clean and tend to become nitrate factories so adding an easily accessible prefilter is helpful. If you want to keep inverts, remove all the biomedia and use the canister for water movement and/or chemical filtration. -- Put the word aquaria in the subject to email me. Did you read the FAQ? http://faq.thekrib.com |
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"Gav" ""gavbriggs\"@[cut the spam]blueyonder.co.uk" wrote in message
. uk... Gill Passman wrote: Koi-Lo wrote: Yea, and flattery will get you no place Gill......especially with the blackmail strongarm threats type tactics you are trying to use.....Just not gonna work dude............Your emails really make your true colors come out.........about on par with some of the crap Carol Gulley posts.... Hmmm....but I don't post them.....do you even know what my true colours are????? Please, hit the reply to button and take this off of the newsgroup.... It is not about flattery, it is about reality and how much you know about stuff....far more than I do....so bite me for saying it..... Gill people, can we please get to my thread. i know how it is with views and territory in usenet but c'mon i need the help here! i really want to enter the world of marine , i am reading up as i type, but i am waiting for real people to give real live advice! It's called rec.aquaria. **freshwater** .misc for a reason Gav ;~). We could easily advise you on equipment requirements moving from salt to fresh, and we could discuss the various freshwater set-ups which are possible. There are also various marine set-ups possible, but for this you're better off in a marine forum or marine newsgroup. That's where you'll find a variety of opinions and recommendations to choose from. Actually most visitors typically comment on how well behaved and civil it is in rafm, especially as there are often many different opinions to reconcile. It's simply 'respect', for opinions, hopefully being expressed in a positive and helpful way. Sometimes that respect (given and received) falters and then it gets less positive or helpful. Almost feels like a family BBQ ;~) -- www.NetMax.tk |
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We would be a lot better off with NONE of the Koi-Lo's here!!
Failing that (which will quite obviously occur) - I suggest you post as yourselves, and reply to the topic and not to the poster. If you read something you don't like, maybe you should go read a book. -- www.NetMax.tk snip *Note: There are TWO "Koi-Lo's" on this NG* snip |
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"NetMax" wrote in message ... "Gav" ""gavbriggs\"@[cut the spam]blueyonder.co.uk" wrote in message . uk... Gill Passman wrote: Koi-Lo wrote: Yea, and flattery will get you no place Gill......especially with the blackmail strongarm threats type tactics you are trying to use.....Just not gonna work dude............Your emails really make your true colors come out.........about on par with some of the crap Carol Gulley posts.... Hmmm....but I don't post them.....do you even know what my true colours are????? Please, hit the reply to button and take this off of the newsgroup.... It is not about flattery, it is about reality and how much you know about stuff....far more than I do....so bite me for saying it..... Gill people, can we please get to my thread. i know how it is with views and territory in usenet but c'mon i need the help here! i really want to enter the world of marine , i am reading up as i type, but i am waiting for real people to give real live advice! It's called rec.aquaria. **freshwater** .misc for a reason Gav ;~). We could easily advise you on equipment requirements moving from salt to fresh, and we could discuss the various freshwater set-ups which are possible. There are also various marine set-ups possible, but for this you're better off in a marine forum or marine newsgroup. That's where you'll find a variety of opinions and recommendations to choose from. Actually most visitors typically comment on how well behaved and civil it is in rafm, especially as there are often many different opinions to reconcile. It's simply 'respect', for opinions, hopefully being expressed in a positive and helpful way. Sometimes that respect (given and received) falters and then it gets less positive or helpful. Almost feels like a family BBQ ;~) -- www.NetMax.tk LOL yea easy enuf to just swap it all accross mate, cannisters are great for marine just clean a bit more often. Grab some black mollies for your marine tank. easy fish and nice to have them for 2 months before trying something expensive. Beware any metal in the tank and that includes impellor shafts in cannisters! |
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SO dry and yet so funny! A 4x2x2 marine tank is a great size, but you will need lots of buckets with lids if your gonna collect sea water! sorry but someone has to soldier on the OT thread heh heh I got stingrays btw, 6x2x2 very very cool! I recon get that tank filled, keep the filters running and then just go to the beach fishing and bring back new fish!! not only cheap but very cool very very cool "NetMax" wrote in message ... We would be a lot better off with NONE of the Koi-Lo's here!! Failing that (which will quite obviously occur) - I suggest you post as yourselves, and reply to the topic and not to the poster. If you read something you don't like, maybe you should go read a book. -- www.NetMax.tk snip *Note: There are TWO "Koi-Lo's" on this NG* snip |
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