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Sandy August 3rd 06 10:51 PM

beginner Saltwater tank setup
 
Hi,
I am new at sal****er. I have been trying to gather the things I need but I
am not sure all the items I need.

sofar I have a 70gal tank with stand and canopy and a Jager200watt heater,
Coral life 48 inch aqualight T5.

from what I understand I need test kits, filter, protein skimmer.

other then live rock, water, salt and fish...what else do I need.

I plan to set up a reef tank...I understand it takes time to get everything
up and running and to take things very slow before adding fish.....

TIA



Inabón Yunes August 4th 06 01:05 AM

beginner Saltwater tank setup
 
Well, you got a lot of work and inve$ments ahead of you.
For starters, go here, http://saltaquarium.about.com/c/ec/1.htm
It has many assumptions but its OK to start here.
iy
"Sandy" wrote in message
news:JduAg.315364$IK3.76390@pd7tw1no...
Hi,
I am new at sal****er. I have been trying to gather the things I need but
I am not sure all the items I need.

sofar I have a 70gal tank with stand and canopy and a Jager200watt heater,
Coral life 48 inch aqualight T5.

from what I understand I need test kits, filter, protein skimmer.

other then live rock, water, salt and fish...what else do I need.

I plan to set up a reef tank...I understand it takes time to get
everything up and running and to take things very slow before adding
fish.....

TIA




Sandy August 4th 06 08:37 PM

beginner Saltwater tank setup
 
That didnt really answer my question , and I have taken that course
already...I just need to know if there any items I am missing other than a
filter and/protien skimmer and test kits. based on what I all ready have.

Thanks.

"Inabón Yunes" wrote in message
...
Well, you got a lot of work and inve$ments ahead of you.
For starters, go here, http://saltaquarium.about.com/c/ec/1.htm
It has many assumptions but its OK to start here.
iy
"Sandy" wrote in message
news:JduAg.315364$IK3.76390@pd7tw1no...
Hi,
I am new at sal****er. I have been trying to gather the things I need but
I am not sure all the items I need.

sofar I have a 70gal tank with stand and canopy and a Jager200watt
heater, Coral life 48 inch aqualight T5.

from what I understand I need test kits, filter, protein skimmer.

other then live rock, water, salt and fish...what else do I need.

I plan to set up a reef tank...I understand it takes time to get
everything up and running and to take things very slow before adding
fish.....

TIA






Wayne Sallee August 4th 06 09:50 PM

beginner Saltwater tank setup
 
Yes there is something very important that you have left
out, and that is some books on reef keeping.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Sandy wrote on 8/4/2006 3:37 PM:
That didnt really answer my question , and I have taken that course
already...I just need to know if there any items I am missing other than a
filter and/protien skimmer and test kits. based on what I all ready have.

Thanks.

"Inabón Yunes" wrote in message
...
Well, you got a lot of work and inve$ments ahead of you.
For starters, go here,
http://saltaquarium.about.com/c/ec/1.htm
It has many assumptions but its OK to start here.
iy
"Sandy" wrote in message
news:JduAg.315364$IK3.76390@pd7tw1no...
Hi,
I am new at sal****er. I have been trying to gather the things I need but
I am not sure all the items I need.

sofar I have a 70gal tank with stand and canopy and a Jager200watt
heater, Coral life 48 inch aqualight T5.

from what I understand I need test kits, filter, protein skimmer.

other then live rock, water, salt and fish...what else do I need.

I plan to set up a reef tank...I understand it takes time to get
everything up and running and to take things very slow before adding
fish.....

TIA





Inabón Yunes August 5th 06 12:42 AM

beginner Saltwater tank setup
 
Good, I suggest that you start with a FO tank, save money for the lighting
system and then go to reef.
I didn't see any references to lighting, if you did, what kind of lighting
are you going to use?
Then, is there the issue of inverts and their poor tolerance to chlorine.
Reef keeping isn't easy and a good RO filter can save you a lot on the long
run when filtering destilled water.
Do yourself a favor, start with fish only (FO) then take a step to FWLR.
Once you've mastered the sal****er issues it will be easy to step into
corals. They are expensive and hard to maintain.
iy
"Sandy" wrote in message
news:UlNAg.314119$Mn5.251495@pd7tw3no...
That didnt really answer my question , and I have taken that course
already...I just need to know if there any items I am missing other than a
filter and/protien skimmer and test kits. based on what I all ready have.

Thanks.

"Inabón Yunes" wrote in message
...
Well, you got a lot of work and inve$ments ahead of you.
For starters, go here, http://saltaquarium.about.com/c/ec/1.htm
It has many assumptions but its OK to start here.
iy
"Sandy" wrote in message
news:JduAg.315364$IK3.76390@pd7tw1no...
Hi,
I am new at sal****er. I have been trying to gather the things I need
but I am not sure all the items I need.

sofar I have a 70gal tank with stand and canopy and a Jager200watt
heater, Coral life 48 inch aqualight T5.

from what I understand I need test kits, filter, protein skimmer.

other then live rock, water, salt and fish...what else do I need.

I plan to set up a reef tank...I understand it takes time to get
everything up and running and to take things very slow before adding
fish.....

TIA








Peter Pan August 7th 06 03:29 AM

beginner Saltwater tank setup
 
You also need a Hydrometer to measure the gravity of the salt/water a RODI
filtration system, some sort of substrate for the bedding (live sand as well
as reg sand) 4" worth. . Some sort of power head to move the water. I
suggest if you're just getting into this hobby, start with Fish only with
Live rock.. Once your tank is established, for over a year or so, then
start with corals if not you will more then likely begin to kill off your
investment. nothing sucks more then to come home and find your tank with a
bunch of floaters. And as Wayne said, get some books and read up on how to
do everything. When you run into a problem, this room is a great source of
help. Good Luck
"Sandy" wrote in message
news:JduAg.315364$IK3.76390@pd7tw1no...
Hi,
I am new at sal****er. I have been trying to gather the things I need but
I am not sure all the items I need.

sofar I have a 70gal tank with stand and canopy and a Jager200watt heater,
Coral life 48 inch aqualight T5.

from what I understand I need test kits, filter, protein skimmer.

other then live rock, water, salt and fish...what else do I need.

I plan to set up a reef tank...I understand it takes time to get
everything up and running and to take things very slow before adding
fish.....

TIA




George Patterson August 7th 06 04:03 PM

beginner Saltwater tank setup
 
Peter Pan wrote:

And as Wayne said, get some books and read up on how to
do everything.


What books do you recommend?

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

Wayne Sallee August 7th 06 04:41 PM

beginner Saltwater tank setup
 
Any aquarium books that say reef in the title. :-)

But here's a couple:

The Reef Aquarium by Julian Sprung, and Charels Delbeek
Corals by Eric Borneman

There's lots of good books out there to read.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


George Patterson wrote on 8/7/2006 11:03 AM:
Peter Pan wrote:

And as Wayne said, get some books and read up on how to do everything.


What books do you recommend?

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.


Sandy August 8th 06 08:26 PM

beginner Saltwater tank setup
 
thats a good idea, maybe I will start with a FO tank then slowly work my way
up to FWLR....any suggestions for a good reliable filter to get? its a 70
gallon tank.

"Inabón Yunes" wrote in message
...
Good, I suggest that you start with a FO tank, save money for the lighting
system and then go to reef.
I didn't see any references to lighting, if you did, what kind of lighting
are you going to use?
Then, is there the issue of inverts and their poor tolerance to chlorine.
Reef keeping isn't easy and a good RO filter can save you a lot on the
long run when filtering destilled water.
Do yourself a favor, start with fish only (FO) then take a step to FWLR.
Once you've mastered the sal****er issues it will be easy to step into
corals. They are expensive and hard to maintain.
iy
"Sandy" wrote in message
news:UlNAg.314119$Mn5.251495@pd7tw3no...
That didnt really answer my question , and I have taken that course
already...I just need to know if there any items I am missing other than
a filter and/protien skimmer and test kits. based on what I all ready
have.

Thanks.

"Inabón Yunes" wrote in message
...
Well, you got a lot of work and inve$ments ahead of you.
For starters, go here, http://saltaquarium.about.com/c/ec/1.htm
It has many assumptions but its OK to start here.
iy
"Sandy" wrote in message
news:JduAg.315364$IK3.76390@pd7tw1no...
Hi,
I am new at sal****er. I have been trying to gather the things I need
but I am not sure all the items I need.

sofar I have a 70gal tank with stand and canopy and a Jager200watt
heater, Coral life 48 inch aqualight T5.

from what I understand I need test kits, filter, protein skimmer.

other then live rock, water, salt and fish...what else do I need.

I plan to set up a reef tank...I understand it takes time to get
everything up and running and to take things very slow before adding
fish.....

TIA










Peter Pan August 8th 06 08:43 PM

beginner Saltwater tank setup
 
I would start with Live rock in your tank and let it cycle, when the amonia
levels are zero, then begin to add fish. If you use fish first then add the
rock, you run the risk of an amonia spike and probably killing off your live
stock.
As far as filters, you want it to filtrate the tank several times in one
hour. I would suggest using a canister style system. I have a jabo its moves
a lot of water and does a good job, im sure there are better ones one the
market, but this one does me fine.
"Sandy" wrote in message
news:tz5Cg.351903$Mn5.162634@pd7tw3no...
thats a good idea, maybe I will start with a FO tank then slowly work my
way up to FWLR....any suggestions for a good reliable filter to get? its
a 70 gallon tank.

"Inabón Yunes" wrote in message
...
Good, I suggest that you start with a FO tank, save money for the
lighting system and then go to reef.
I didn't see any references to lighting, if you did, what kind of
lighting are you going to use?
Then, is there the issue of inverts and their poor tolerance to chlorine.
Reef keeping isn't easy and a good RO filter can save you a lot on the
long run when filtering destilled water.
Do yourself a favor, start with fish only (FO) then take a step to FWLR.
Once you've mastered the sal****er issues it will be easy to step into
corals. They are expensive and hard to maintain.
iy
"Sandy" wrote in message
news:UlNAg.314119$Mn5.251495@pd7tw3no...
That didnt really answer my question , and I have taken that course
already...I just need to know if there any items I am missing other than
a filter and/protien skimmer and test kits. based on what I all ready
have.

Thanks.

"Inabón Yunes" wrote in message
...
Well, you got a lot of work and inve$ments ahead of you.
For starters, go here, http://saltaquarium.about.com/c/ec/1.htm
It has many assumptions but its OK to start here.
iy
"Sandy" wrote in message
news:JduAg.315364$IK3.76390@pd7tw1no...
Hi,
I am new at sal****er. I have been trying to gather the things I need
but I am not sure all the items I need.

sofar I have a 70gal tank with stand and canopy and a Jager200watt
heater, Coral life 48 inch aqualight T5.

from what I understand I need test kits, filter, protein skimmer.

other then live rock, water, salt and fish...what else do I need.

I plan to set up a reef tank...I understand it takes time to get
everything up and running and to take things very slow before adding
fish.....

TIA












Bryan August 9th 06 12:13 AM

beginner Saltwater tank setup
 
Sandy,

As far as filter, I have read a lot that canisters aren't the best for
marine aquariums but I do see them a lot. I have no personal experience
with those but might I suggest the Emperor 400? Awesome filter! Go do your
research and ask a few people; you can then decide for yourself.

Lastly, I got a Rio 800 water pump and since have heard several people
dislike them. I haven't had any problems though. My 2nd water pump I
purchased was a Maxi-Jet. Great pump that you can angle and twist and
turn... also many aquarist hold Maxi-Jets as they're favorite so that added
piece of mind for me.

After the ammonia drops from cycle some live rock, get some hermit crabs and
astrea snails to start cleaning up the tank. I don't believe you need 1 per
gallon as I read a lot. That' will just fill your tank up too much. Get
about half of that and you'll be happy.

Test kits in the beginning stages really only need to be : ammonia,
nitrate, nitrite and pH.

Good water, RO/DI can be made at home or bought at many pet stores that have
tanks. I buy mine, so much cheaper and easier for now with the way my home
is set up. Try to avoid tap water but it's not out of the question.

Better details about setting up in you go online. I found www.about.com had
some great stuff. My 90g is running just fine.

Lastly, when it is time to get fishy's, don't just buy pretty ones. Write
down the names of the ones you like at fish stores and do your research
research research at home first. You'll be glad you did for many reasons
you'll find out soon enough.

G'Luck!

B



"Sandy" wrote in message
news:JduAg.315364$IK3.76390@pd7tw1no...
Hi,
I am new at sal****er. I have been trying to gather the things I need but
I am not sure all the items I need.

sofar I have a 70gal tank with stand and canopy and a Jager200watt heater,
Coral life 48 inch aqualight T5.

from what I understand I need test kits, filter, protein skimmer.

other then live rock, water, salt and fish...what else do I need.

I plan to set up a reef tank...I understand it takes time to get
everything up and running and to take things very slow before adding
fish.....

TIA




Inabón Yunes August 9th 06 01:16 AM

beginner Saltwater tank setup
 
I built my own filter which has a skimmer built-in. It also has many other
cool stuff but it is still under development.
What I am trying to say is that I don't belief in any of those expensive
filters. Good luck!
But, since I am not selling my filter YET, I suggest to get you any filter
that controls the TSS (total suspended solids), has activated carbon and
either calcareous or resin media to help nitrifying bacteria do their stuff.
Good luck again!
iy
"Sandy" wrote in message
news:tz5Cg.351903$Mn5.162634@pd7tw3no...
thats a good idea, maybe I will start with a FO tank then slowly work my
way up to FWLR....any suggestions for a good reliable filter to get? its
a 70 gallon tank.

"Inabón Yunes" wrote in message
...
Good, I suggest that you start with a FO tank, save money for the
lighting system and then go to reef.
I didn't see any references to lighting, if you did, what kind of
lighting are you going to use?
Then, is there the issue of inverts and their poor tolerance to chlorine.
Reef keeping isn't easy and a good RO filter can save you a lot on the
long run when filtering destilled water.
Do yourself a favor, start with fish only (FO) then take a step to FWLR.
Once you've mastered the sal****er issues it will be easy to step into
corals. They are expensive and hard to maintain.
iy
"Sandy" wrote in message
news:UlNAg.314119$Mn5.251495@pd7tw3no...
That didnt really answer my question , and I have taken that course
already...I just need to know if there any items I am missing other than
a filter and/protien skimmer and test kits. based on what I all ready
have.

Thanks.

"Inabón Yunes" wrote in message
...
Well, you got a lot of work and inve$ments ahead of you.
For starters, go here, http://saltaquarium.about.com/c/ec/1.htm
It has many assumptions but its OK to start here.
iy
"Sandy" wrote in message
news:JduAg.315364$IK3.76390@pd7tw1no...
Hi,
I am new at sal****er. I have been trying to gather the things I need
but I am not sure all the items I need.

sofar I have a 70gal tank with stand and canopy and a Jager200watt
heater, Coral life 48 inch aqualight T5.

from what I understand I need test kits, filter, protein skimmer.

other then live rock, water, salt and fish...what else do I need.

I plan to set up a reef tank...I understand it takes time to get
everything up and running and to take things very slow before adding
fish.....

TIA












Wayne Sallee August 9th 06 01:22 AM

beginner Saltwater tank setup
 
Inabón Yunes wrote on 8/8/2006 8:16 PM:
I built my own filter which has a skimmer built-in. It also has many other
cool stuff but it is still under development.
What I am trying to say is that I don't belief in any of those expensive
filters. Good luck!
But, since I am not selling my filter YET,


That sure sounds familiar :-) hehehehe


But yes a lot of things can be made if one is crafty. And
it can be fun making them.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


Pszemol August 17th 06 10:10 PM

beginner Saltwater tank setup
 
"Inabón Yunes" wrote in message ...
Good, I suggest that you start with a FO tank, save money for the lighting system and then go to reef.
I didn't see any references to lighting, if you did, what kind of lighting are you going to use?
Then, is there the issue of inverts and their poor tolerance to chlorine. Reef keeping isn't easy and a good RO filter can save
you a lot on the long run when filtering destilled water.
Do yourself a favor, start with fish only (FO) then take a step to FWLR. Once you've mastered the sal****er issues it will be easy
to step into corals. They are expensive and hard to maintain.


Maintaining corals-only tank with no fish is actually easier than FO.


Wayne Sallee August 17th 06 10:47 PM

beginner Saltwater tank setup
 
Yep, once you know how to take care of them that is.

They don't chase down the other corals and kill them. All
you have to do is give them enough space that they don't
reach out and touch someone.

If a sps coral gets an infection, you can just cut the
infected part off. Can't do that with a fish.

Want more corals, just cut the ones you have in half.
Can't do that with the fish.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


Pszemol wrote on 8/17/2006 5:10 PM:
"Inabón Yunes" wrote in message
...
Good, I suggest that you start with a FO tank, save money for the
lighting system and then go to reef.
I didn't see any references to lighting, if you did, what kind of
lighting are you going to use?
Then, is there the issue of inverts and their poor tolerance to
chlorine. Reef keeping isn't easy and a good RO filter can save you a
lot on the long run when filtering destilled water.
Do yourself a favor, start with fish only (FO) then take a step to
FWLR. Once you've mastered the sal****er issues it will be easy to
step into corals. They are expensive and hard to maintain.


Maintaining corals-only tank with no fish is actually easier than FO.


Inabón Yunes August 18th 06 03:10 AM

beginner Saltwater tank setup
 
It is but very expensive!
"Pszemol" wrote in message
...
"Inabón Yunes" wrote in message
...
Good, I suggest that you start with a FO tank, save money for the
lighting system and then go to reef.
I didn't see any references to lighting, if you did, what kind of
lighting are you going to use?
Then, is there the issue of inverts and their poor tolerance to chlorine.
Reef keeping isn't easy and a good RO filter can save you a lot on the
long run when filtering destilled water.
Do yourself a favor, start with fish only (FO) then take a step to FWLR.
Once you've mastered the sal****er issues it will be easy to step into
corals. They are expensive and hard to maintain.


Maintaining corals-only tank with no fish is actually easier than FO.




Pszemol August 18th 06 03:52 PM

beginner Saltwater tank setup
 
"Inabón Yunes" wrote in message .. .
It is but very expensive!


Well... there are many ways to make the cost less painfull.


Inabón Yunes August 19th 06 12:23 AM

beginner Saltwater tank setup
 
I am working on it
The other day I found a nice lighting system for my aquarium on Ebay. I
didn't win but will keep trying
iy
"Pszemol" wrote in message
...
"Inabón Yunes" wrote in message
.. .
It is but very expensive!


Well... there are many ways to make the cost less painfull.




Pszemol August 19th 06 06:07 PM

beginner Saltwater tank setup
 
"Inabón Yunes" wrote in message . ..
I am working on it
The other day I found a nice lighting system for my aquarium on Ebay.
I didn't win but will keep trying


There are variety of corals which do not need extra-strong lighting.
Most of the soft corals you can grow without MH/HID lights, with
VHO/PC fluorescence light only...
I have a tank with bubble tip anemone under pc fluorescence and it
is growing fine and looks good.


Inabón Yunes August 20th 06 12:49 AM

beginner Saltwater tank setup
 
keep talking, what is PC lighting?
iy
"Pszemol" wrote in message
...
"Inabón Yunes" wrote in message
. ..
I am working on it
The other day I found a nice lighting system for my aquarium on Ebay.
I didn't win but will keep trying


There are variety of corals which do not need extra-strong lighting.
Most of the soft corals you can grow without MH/HID lights, with
VHO/PC fluorescence light only...
I have a tank with bubble tip anemone under pc fluorescence and it
is growing fine and looks good.




Wayne Sallee August 20th 06 01:42 AM

beginner Saltwater tank setup
 
Power Compact. It's a high output bulb. It's the bulb that
is bent in half, and all 4 prongs are at one end.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Inabón Yunes wrote on 8/19/2006 7:49 PM:
keep talking, what is PC lighting?
iy
"Pszemol" wrote in message
...
"Inabón Yunes" wrote in message
. ..
I am working on it
The other day I found a nice lighting system for my aquarium on Ebay.
I didn't win but will keep trying

There are variety of corals which do not need extra-strong lighting.
Most of the soft corals you can grow without MH/HID lights, with
VHO/PC fluorescence light only...
I have a tank with bubble tip anemone under pc fluorescence and it
is growing fine and looks good.




Inabón Yunes August 21st 06 01:46 AM

beginner Saltwater tank setup
 
Thanks!
"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
...
Power Compact. It's a high output bulb. It's the bulb that is bent in
half, and all 4 prongs are at one end.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Inabón Yunes wrote on 8/19/2006 7:49 PM:
keep talking, what is PC lighting?
iy
"Pszemol" wrote in message
...
"Inabón Yunes" wrote in message
. ..
I am working on it
The other day I found a nice lighting system for my aquarium on Ebay.
I didn't win but will keep trying
There are variety of corals which do not need extra-strong lighting.
Most of the soft corals you can grow without MH/HID lights, with
VHO/PC fluorescence light only...
I have a tank with bubble tip anemone under pc fluorescence and it
is growing fine and looks good.





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