Harvesting blood worms for aquarium feeding
 

Is there much of a danger from getting bloodworms from old standing
water in buckets left outside, and feeding these to fish in an
aquarium? I'm unsure if there is a high potential of disease transfer
or some other risk I may not know about. Any advice would be
appreciated. Well, most any advice. I'd like something better than
"If you are in any doubt, then you should not do it."

Thanks
Ron

Harvesting blood worms for aquarium feeding
 

"Ron Clon" wrote in message
...
Is there much of a danger from getting bloodworms from old standing
water in buckets left outside, and feeding these to fish in an
aquarium? I'm unsure if there is a high potential of disease transfer
or some other risk I may not know about. Any advice would be
appreciated. Well, most any advice. I'd like something better than
"If you are in any doubt, then you should not do it."

Thanks
Ron

I do it but it's only the odd few
hard to raise zillions of the things!
I breed snails to feed me puffer and these buckets often have lots in them.

Harvesting blood worms for aquarium feeding
 

Ron Clon wrote in
:

Is there much of a danger from getting bloodworms from old standing
water in buckets left outside, and feeding these to fish in an

I'm not certain. You would probably be safe if used in moderation.

If you want a more controlled option you should buy a culture of white
worms and raise them indoors yourself.

Harvesting blood worms for aquarium feeding
 

"Ron Clon" wrote in message
...
Is there much of a danger from getting bloodworms from old standing
water in buckets left outside, and feeding these to fish in an
aquarium? I'm unsure if there is a high potential of disease transfer
or some other risk I may not know about. Any advice would be
appreciated. Well, most any advice. I'd like something better than
"If you are in any doubt, then you should not do it."

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I've fed them to aquarium fish with no problems at all. They're not exposed
to fish diseases unless you also have "sick" fish in the same water with
them. I've also used mosquito larvae I found in standing water outside.
--
KL....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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Harvesting blood worms for aquarium feeding
 

Köi-Lö $##$$@$##$$.#$$ wrote in
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I've fed them to aquarium fish with no problems at all. They're not
exposed to fish diseases unless you also have "sick" fish in the same
water with them. I've also used mosquito larvae I found in standing
water outside.

That is not a correct assumption Koi-Lo. There are plenty of parasites and
viral diseases that use an indirect transmission route through multiple and
radically different hosts. Just because the mosquito larva themselves have
not had direct contact with an ill fish does not mean they are perfectly
safe.

Harvesting blood worms for aquarium feeding
 

"dc" wrote in message
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Köi-Lö $##$$@$##$$.#$$ wrote in
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I've fed them to aquarium fish with no problems at all. They're not
exposed to fish diseases unless you also have "sick" fish in the same
water with them. I've also used mosquito larvae I found in standing
water outside.

That is not a correct assumption Koi-Lo. There are plenty of parasites
and
viral diseases that use an indirect transmission route through multiple
and
radically different hosts.

That would also apply to any of the natural foods you bought at the store,
fresh or frozen. Freezing and drying doesn't always "sterilize" a product.
Transmission of fish disease from a lake or river to a vessel of water
sitting in someone's yard or on their porch would be rather unlikely. Where
would that midge or mosquito have had a chance to bite or come in contact
with a diseased fish? Has it been shown that they can and do carry fish
diseases from one body of water to another? I have hundreds of outdoor fish
(koi, rosy reds and goldfish) and no diseases or parasites in YEARS now.
You can see all kinds of insects and bugs around my ponds and prop' pools
and no disease is brought in.

Just because the mosquito larva themselves have
not had direct contact with an ill fish does not mean they are perfectly
safe.

Nothing is "perfectly safe." Even the pellets and flakes you buy at the
store can be contaminated with insecticides. They can be rancid from poor
storage and handling. Who knows? Mosquito larvae carrying fish disease in
clean fishless water is something I have never even heard of.
In all the years I've made good use of natural fish food I never once had a
problem with fish developing disease in my indoor aquariums.
--

-- KL....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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Harvesting blood worms for aquarium feeding
 

"dc" wrote in message
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If you want a more controlled option you should buy a culture of white
worms and raise them indoors yourself.
==========
White worms are too small for many fish unless there are now a new variety
that a average size fish can even see. They're not the most pleasant things
to raise either.
--
KL....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({*

Harvesting blood worms for aquarium feeding
 

"dc" wrote in message
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Köi-Lö $##$$@$##$$.#$$ wrote in
:

I've fed them to aquarium fish with no problems at all. They're not
exposed to fish diseases unless you also have "sick" fish in the same
water with them. I've also used mosquito larvae I found in standing
water outside.

That is not a correct assumption Koi-Lo. There are plenty of parasites
and
viral diseases that use an indirect transmission route through multiple
and
radically different hosts. Just because the mosquito larva themselves
have
not had direct contact with an ill fish does not mean they are perfectly
safe.

true but with healthy fish in good condition
I recon the risks of live food
are out weighed by the benefits

Harvesting blood worms for aquarium feeding
 

Köi-Lö $##$$@$##$$.#$$ wrote in
:

would be rather unlikely. Where would that midge or mosquito have had
a chance to bite or come in contact with a diseased fish? Has it been

Again, you're being short sighted. A contagion or a contaminant does not
have to originate from a fish to affect a fish. As I said before there are
plenty of parasites (e.g. any number of digenetic trematodes) and viral
diseases that use secondary hosts in order to infect tertiary hosts--a
secondary host could be something like a bird or a rodent.


Nothing is "perfectly safe." Even the pellets and flakes you buy at
the store can be contaminated with insecticides. They can be rancid

The most dangerous products in packaged foods are the preservatives.

So you're changing your statement now. My point with my previous post was
that your statement to the original poster that if food hasn't touched a
sick fish it is harmless is completely false and illogical. Whether or not
it touched a sick fish or not is hardly an issue. Pathogens may be present
in wild foods regardless of where you have collected them. Even if the
mosquito larva had been in close contact with a sick fish it is unlikely
that would change the propensity for transmission to another fish as most
diseases involving multiple species have a much more complex and involved
method of transmission.

In most circumstances a healthy and un-stressed animal has the ability to
resist most of these wild pathogens without manifesting symptoms, but that
does not mean that they do not exist if you don't see your pet food bumping
into sick animals.

Harvesting blood worms for aquarium feeding
 

"swarvegorilla" wrote in news:44f8a6f9$0$25163
:

true but with healthy fish in good condition
I recon the risks of live food
are out weighed by the benefits

No doubt... especially if it is not the exclusive food source--variety is
the spice of life--but Koi-lo's assumption that the risk is absent so long
as the larva are not in close contact with another sick animal is just
plain wrong.

Harvesting blood worms for aquarium feeding
 

Köi-Lö $##$$@$##$$.#$$ wrote in
:

variety that a average size fish can even see. They're not the most
pleasant things to raise either.

Yes... dirt and moist bred... what a nightmare.

Harvesting blood worms for aquarium feeding
 

"dc" wrote in message
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Köi-Lö $##$$@$##$$.#$$ wrote in
:

would be rather unlikely. Where would that midge or mosquito have had
a chance to bite or come in contact with a diseased fish? Has it been

Again, you're being short sighted. A contagion or a contaminant does not
have to originate from a fish to affect a fish. As I said before there
are
plenty of parasites (e.g. any number of digenetic trematodes) and viral
diseases that use secondary hosts in order to infect tertiary hosts--a
secondary host could be something like a bird or a rodent.

I guess I'll worry about it if and when it happens. Since it hasn't
happened in all these many years I wont worry about it. I'm more concerned
with my own food being contaminated than finding contaminated larvae in old
pots and tubs behind the house.

snip
--
KL....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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Harvesting blood worms for aquarium feeding
 

"dc" wrote in message
. ..

No doubt... especially if it is not the exclusive food source--variety is
the spice of life--but Koi-lo's assumption that the risk is absent so long
as the larva are not in close contact with another sick animal is just
plain wrong.

=============
What diseases, parasites or "contamination" have you found in larvae on
peoples porches or backyards?

--
KL....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({*

Harvesting blood worms for aquarium feeding
 

"dc" wrote in message
. ..
"swarvegorilla" wrote in
news:44f8a6f9$0$25163
:

true but with healthy fish in good condition
I recon the risks of live food
are out weighed by the benefits

No doubt... especially if it is not the exclusive food source--variety is
the spice of life--but Koi-lo's assumption that the risk is absent so long
as the larva are not in close contact with another sick animal is just
plain wrong.


No need to convince me friend,
for I am semi-wise in the vector and digenetic trematode worlds.
Parasites out number us all by a large factor
every food source for your fish carries with it some risk, be it brain
eating prions or salmonela
stuff from outdoor ponds and insect ridden buckets is just extra filthy
doesn't faze me
although it's a wild sight to look thru a m'scope at a slide of water from a
snail breeding pond.
there be some critters in there I tells ya and f'ed if I could ID many
I'm sure some of them are nastys
but yea those trematode things they is funky
jump animal to animal like ninja chimps and often can spawn at several life
stages
bloody animals are filthy things
at least fish aren't quite as bad as dogs tho
:-)

Attn: Fatcatfish... Harvesting blood worms for aquarium feeding
 

I also breed snail....Apple sail I think they are called.
Any suggestions on raising the snail? I have some in a tank,
some in a bucket. Would really like to hear some advice.
Ron



On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 23:17:04 +1000, "swarvegorilla"
wrote:


"Ron Clon" wrote in message
.. .
Is there much of a danger from getting bloodworms from old standing
water in buckets left outside, and feeding these to fish in an
aquarium? I'm unsure if there is a high potential of disease transfer
or some other risk I may not know about. Any advice would be
appreciated. Well, most any advice. I'd like something better than
"If you are in any doubt, then you should not do it."

Thanks
Ron

I do it but it's only the odd few
hard to raise zillions of the things!
I breed snails to feed me puffer and these buckets often have lots in them.

Fatcatfish... Harvesting blood worms for aquarium feeding
 

www.applesnail.net
is a goldmine of advice
i use vege's, chookfood pellets and fish food
screens for the tank tops to keep them in there
for my toadfish I am breeding ramshorns, pondsnails and malaysian cones
easy peasy
with apples tho you need to make sure you have a pair!!
trickiest bit



"Ron Cliiborn" wrote in message
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I also breed snail....Apple sail I think they are called.
Any suggestions on raising the snail? I have some in a tank,
some in a bucket. Would really like to hear some advice.
Ron



On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 23:17:04 +1000, "swarvegorilla"
wrote:


"Ron Clon" wrote in message
. ..
Is there much of a danger from getting bloodworms from old standing
water in buckets left outside, and feeding these to fish in an
aquarium? I'm unsure if there is a high potential of disease transfer
or some other risk I may not know about. Any advice would be
appreciated. Well, most any advice. I'd like something better than
"If you are in any doubt, then you should not do it."

Thanks
Ron

I do it but it's only the odd few
hard to raise zillions of the things!
I breed snails to feed me puffer and these buckets often have lots in
them.

Harvesting blood worms for aquarium feeding
 

I'm not bottom posting because the comments in this message don't tell
you what I originally posted.

So, after reading all the comments from you learned folks,
I got the 5 gallon bucket in question and I vacuumed the sludge from
the bottom, wasting maybe 1 1/2 gallons. I filled it up with some Cl-
free water and put in 3 fish. They ate everything I could see moving
in a few days. Since then I am giving them a little fish food on
occasion. I have not aerated the water or put in a filter and they
yet live, odd. Also, I do not see any new worms. I don't know if the
bugs are not laying eggs or if they just eat the bugs when they get
big enough. 'ell if I know. But they have done well for about 3
weeks now.
I'll probably sequester these 3 for the rest of their life rather then
risk putting them back in my tank. I am sure there is no reason to
worry though my wife swears the fish are now infected with The West
Nile Virus.

RC




true but with healthy fish in good condition
I recon the risks of live food
are out weighed by the benefits

No doubt... especially if it is not the exclusive food source--variety is
the spice of life--but Koi-lo's assumption that the risk is absent so long
as the larva are not in close contact with another sick animal is just
plain wrong.


No need to convince me friend,
for I am semi-wise in the vector and digenetic trematode worlds.
Parasites out number us all by a large factor
every food source for your fish carries with it some risk, be it brain
eating prions or salmonela
stuff from outdoor ponds and insect ridden buckets is just extra filthy
doesn't faze me
although it's a wild sight to look thru a m'scope at a slide of water from a
snail breeding pond.
there be some critters in there I tells ya and f'ed if I could ID many
I'm sure some of them are nastys
but yea those trematode things they is funky
jump animal to animal like ninja chimps and often can spawn at several life
stages
bloody animals are filthy things
at least fish aren't quite as bad as dogs tho
:-)