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Water change reuse?
G'day all,
I've been offered just about everything needed to start up a marine tank. Problem is, we have severe water restrictions here, and I like to reuse the water I take from my tropical tank during weekly water changes, and put it on my lemon tree.... the tree loves it. Is there anything I could do with water change water from a marine setup... or is it a case of tip it down the sink. Cheers, Ben. |
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Well, if you have a septic tank, it helps kill back the
tree roots growing into the drain lines. You could plant you a mangrove tree :-) hehehe Or how about a salt water pond :-) Wayne Sallee Wayne's Pets Ben wrote on 11/3/2006 7:13 PM: G'day all, I've been offered just about everything needed to start up a marine tank. Problem is, we have severe water restrictions here, and I like to reuse the water I take from my tropical tank during weekly water changes, and put it on my lemon tree.... the tree loves it. Is there anything I could do with water change water from a marine setup... or is it a case of tip it down the sink. Cheers, Ben. |
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I don't see why you couldn't put used salt water through a distiller
and reclaim almost all of it. I have not done this myself, but it ought to work fine. You can get small countertop distillers from Amazon for US$99 - US$200 that do a gallon at a time in four or five hours. The question is whether it is worth the effort you'd put into running a gallon at a time through the thing plus the cost of electricity to run the thing. You'd probably want to clean the salt and minerals left behind out between every gallon, too. I have a countertop distiller that I salvaged from a chemistry lab, a Kenmore something or other. It works great! I put a gallon of tap water in with a pH of around 9.5 and I get perfect pH 7.0 water out, and the inside gets coated in flaky red metal oxides that I have to rinse out every so often. It eats about 300 watts, so for me it ends up costing about 20 cents per gallon. I used to use distilled water from this machine exclusively for my 25 gallon reef tank, but when I got my 100 gallon tank it became unreasonable to try to make enough water with the thing and I invested in an RO filter. I'm curious now and maybe I'll go ahead and take some of the water from my next change and put it through the distiller and see what I get. Cheers, Blake Ben wrote: G'day all, I've been offered just about everything needed to start up a marine tank. Problem is, we have severe water restrictions here, and I like to reuse the water I take from my tropical tank during weekly water changes, and put it on my lemon tree.... the tree loves it. Is there anything I could do with water change water from a marine setup... or is it a case of tip it down the sink. Cheers, Ben. |
Water change reuse?
I don't see why you couldn't put used salt water through a distiller
and reclaim almost all of it. Why would you want to do this? What are the benefits? I have not done this myself, but it ought to work fine. You can get small countertop distillers from Amazon for US$99 - US$200 that do a gallon at a time in four or five hours. The question is whether it is worth the effort you'd put into running a gallon at a time through the thing plus the cost of electricity to run the thing. Doubtful. You'd probably want to clean the salt and minerals left behind out between every gallon, too. How would you 'clean' the salt and minerals? I'm curious now and maybe I'll go ahead and take some of the water from my next change and put it through the distiller and see what I get. What is the advantage of distilling your water from a water change versus water from the tap? You will NOT be able to separate the crap from your salt and minerals for reuse. Lastly, why are you doing water changes to begin with? I don't do water changes and my fish, inverts and live rock are doing fine. |
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Use it to flush toilets
"Ben" b_rust at optusnet dot com dot au wrote in message ... G'day all, I've been offered just about everything needed to start up a marine tank. Problem is, we have severe water restrictions here, and I like to reuse the water I take from my tropical tank during weekly water changes, and put it on my lemon tree.... the tree loves it. Is there anything I could do with water change water from a marine setup... or is it a case of tip it down the sink. Cheers, Ben. |
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"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
nk.net... b0ogger wrote on 11/4/2006 12:45 PM: Lastly, why are you doing water changes to begin with? I don't do water changes and my fish, inverts and live rock are doing fine. Because you don't have live coral. 'He' is doing water changes because 'I' don't have live coral? Very strange. |
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Reef keepers that know what they are doing, do water changes.
Wayne Sallee Wayne's Pets Inabón Yunes wrote on 11/6/2006 12:32 AM: Maybe he doesn't want them dude! BTW, there is a method to avoid water changes for more than twice a year is any at all. Since you are an expert on the matter, you should know, lol iy "Wayne Sallee" wrote in message nk.net... b0ogger wrote on 11/4/2006 12:45 PM: Lastly, why are you doing water changes to begin with? I don't do water changes and my fish, inverts and live rock are doing fine. Because you don't have live coral. Wayne Sallee Wayne's Pets |
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b0ogger wrote: I don't see why you couldn't put used salt water through a distiller and reclaim almost all of it. Why would you want to do this? What are the benefits? Well, you see when you distill water you separate the pure water from all other dissolved minerals. You can take salt water and distill it and what you get is pure water and a pile of salt and other minerals. You do this by boiling the water off and then condensing it somewhere else. When you boil the water the vapor that is formed only contains H2O, everything else is left behind. The question is whether it is worth the effort you'd put into running a gallon at a time through the thing plus the cost of electricity to run the thing. Doubtful. I agree that in most situations the cost of electricity to run such an apparatus is going to be much greater than the cost of tap water + RO filtration. However, the original poster had said they were in a situation were there were restrictions on water consumption, thus it might be worth while to use electricity, which might be in greater supply, to reclaim the water. You'd probably want to clean the salt and minerals left behind out between every gallon, too. How would you 'clean' the salt and minerals? Sorry, what I should have said was, "You'd probably want to remove the salt and minerals left behind in the evaporation chamber between uses." If you'll recall from mixing salt water for use in a marine environment it takes about one half cup of salt mix per US gallon of pure water to make salt water, so after you've distilled that water you'll have about half a cup of salt left over that you'd probably want to clean out before putting the next gallon of salt water into the chamber. I'm curious now and maybe I'll go ahead and take some of the water from my next change and put it through the distiller and see what I get. What is the advantage of distilling your water from a water change versus water from the tap? You will NOT be able to separate the crap from your salt and minerals for reuse. Again, the goal here is to conserve water. I am not sure there was also any incentive to reuse the salt. Lastly, why are you doing water changes to begin with? I don't do water changes and my fish, inverts and live rock are doing fine. That's very good for you, congratulations. However, I believe the this subject is probably beyond the scope of this discussion. Cheers, Blake. |
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BTW, there is a method to avoid water changes for more than twice a year is any at all. Can you explain how? I have to do a water change at lest overother month, might be the amount of fish I have in the tank. Thanks Steve -- See my web site http://web.tampabay.rr.com/myreef/ |
Water change reuse?
I don't see why you couldn't put used salt water through a distiller and reclaim almost all of it. Why would you want to do this? What are the benefits? Well, you see when you distill water you separate the pure water from all other dissolved minerals. You can take salt water and distill it and what you get is pure water and a pile of salt and other minerals. You do this by boiling the water off and then condensing it somewhere else. When you boil the water the vapor that is formed only contains H2O, everything else is left behind. It is possible that aquarium water contains low boiling trace organics that would also distill over, I'm not sure. He would be better off collecting rain water and distilling it. SNIP Again, the goal here is to conserve water. I am not sure there was also any incentive to reuse the salt. How would you reuse the salt? It would be next to impossible to separate the water soluble organic crap from the salt. Lastly, why are you doing water changes to begin with? I don't do water changes and my fish, inverts and live rock are doing fine. That's very good for you, congratulations. However, I believe the this subject is probably beyond the scope of this discussion. Au contraire! This subject is the very answer to his problem. No water changes = ultimate water conservation. |
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b0ogger wrote: It is possible that aquarium water contains low boiling trace organics that would also distill over, I'm not sure. I suppose it is possible. If there were any ammonia in the tank I guess that might boil off first. Technically, though, anything with a lower boiling point would boil off first at whatever temperature these trace organics boil at, then there would be a period where nothing boils off as the mixture heats up (all energy injected to the system while anything is boiling would go towards the phase transition and not temperature change) and nothing boils off. Therefore, you could just discard anything that the distiller produces before the chamber reaches 100 deg C. Of course, that is even more complicated. He would be better off collecting rain water and distilling it. Assuming that there is enough rain. I think there tends to be a correlation between areas on the planet that don't have much rain and areas where water consumption is restricted. How would you reuse the salt? It would be next to impossible to separate the water soluble organic crap from the salt. I don't know. I did not mean to suggest that the salt would be reusable. I was thinking of this as an exercise in water conservation. If you don't have access to water, but you do have access to things like electricity and salt mix, and you're somehow in this situation where you need to have fresh water in order to keep your exotic marine animals alive, distillation is probably the answer. On the other hand, I'm sure there are ways to separate the bad organics from the good minerals and reuse your salt mix as well, but it would probably require a pretty sophisticated chem lab and maybe a few grad students. Au contraire! This subject is the very answer to his problem. No water changes = ultimate water conservation. That's true, though I think such a discussion might be better placed under a topic with the title "Amazing No Water Change Method of Reef Keeping." Or maybe, "Water Changes: Who Needs Them?" Or even, "Pros and Cons of Water Changes." Blake. |
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If I explained how I'll get bombarded AGAIN with insults by retailers that
want to sell! I had not have a water change for a year now, it is a FWLR system ready to be upgraded to a reef as soon as I find a good lighting system ( I am looking into a T5). My tank is a 65gal tank, 20gal refugium with 30 inches of livestock (add up the length of your fish and invertebrates as a rule of thumb for an inch of fish you need a gallon of water) Is as easy as IN-LINE filtering. When 100% of the water goes throw the filtering system in different phases (my filter has 7 phases that mimics the natural environment), all the water gets treated and it returns recycled to your tank. Calculate the total length of your livestock and compare it to the volume of water in your aquarium minus all the volume displaced by rock and deco. You see, retailers like Wayne won't tell you this because they loose profit or they just don't know. After more than 20 years as a coastal marine biologist I designed a filtering system that does just that. When I came here with the idea a year ago, everyone laughed and insulted me. Now after a year of experimentation, I HAVEN'T HAD ONE SINGLE WATER CHANGE. Am I selling my filter yet? no, still waiting for it to be patented but any book on Marine Biology will give you the idea. iy "Steven M" wrote in message .. . BTW, there is a method to avoid water changes for more than twice a year is any at all. Can you explain how? I have to do a water change at lest overother month, might be the amount of fish I have in the tank. Thanks Steve -- See my web site http://web.tampabay.rr.com/myreef/ |
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Distilling water is not such a good idea. I used distilled water in my tank
for two months and my KH dropped like crazy. See, distilled water has no KH. To tell you the truth, I save tap water and sit it for a week. My filter takes care of stabilizing it but I keep the new addition to no more than a gallon every two weeks. Remember, I don't have a reef aquarium, corals are very sensitive to chlorine, even a small amount will stress the polyps not to mention anemones. iy wrote in message oups.com... b0ogger wrote: It is possible that aquarium water contains low boiling trace organics that would also distill over, I'm not sure. I suppose it is possible. If there were any ammonia in the tank I guess that might boil off first. Technically, though, anything with a lower boiling point would boil off first at whatever temperature these trace organics boil at, then there would be a period where nothing boils off as the mixture heats up (all energy injected to the system while anything is boiling would go towards the phase transition and not temperature change) and nothing boils off. Therefore, you could just discard anything that the distiller produces before the chamber reaches 100 deg C. Of course, that is even more complicated. He would be better off collecting rain water and distilling it. Assuming that there is enough rain. I think there tends to be a correlation between areas on the planet that don't have much rain and areas where water consumption is restricted. How would you reuse the salt? It would be next to impossible to separate the water soluble organic crap from the salt. I don't know. I did not mean to suggest that the salt would be reusable. I was thinking of this as an exercise in water conservation. If you don't have access to water, but you do have access to things like electricity and salt mix, and you're somehow in this situation where you need to have fresh water in order to keep your exotic marine animals alive, distillation is probably the answer. On the other hand, I'm sure there are ways to separate the bad organics from the good minerals and reuse your salt mix as well, but it would probably require a pretty sophisticated chem lab and maybe a few grad students. Au contraire! This subject is the very answer to his problem. No water changes = ultimate water conservation. That's true, though I think such a discussion might be better placed under a topic with the title "Amazing No Water Change Method of Reef Keeping." Or maybe, "Water Changes: Who Needs Them?" Or even, "Pros and Cons of Water Changes." Blake. |
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Inabón Yunes wrote:
To tell you the truth, I save tap water and sit it for a week. My filter takes care of stabilizing it but I keep the new addition to no more than a gallon every two weeks. What about phosphates? My tap water has about 5 ppm. George Patterson If there are obstacles, the shortest path between two points may be the crooked one. |
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"Inabón Yunes" wrote in
: Distilling water is not such a good idea. I used distilled water in my tank for two months and my KH dropped like crazy. See, distilled water has no KH. To tell you the truth, I save tap water and sit it for a week. My filter takes care of stabilizing it but I keep the new addition to no more than a gallon every two weeks. Remember, I don't have a reef aquarium, corals are very sensitive to chlorine, even a small amount will stress the polyps not to mention anemones. iy Remember, though. The OP was about what to do with _used_ water changes taken out of the aquarium, in an effort to conserve water; "Is there anything I could do with water change water from a marine setup... or is it a case of tip it down the sink.(?)" Presumably, the OP will be getting his original mix water from a source that he finds to be acceptable, and is looking for a way to make salt water useful after it has served its function in the aquarium. I'm with Frank, keep the used marine water in a bucket by the loo, and use it to flush the toilets, in place of city/well water. DaveZ Atom Weaver |
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Most people do a 15% water change once a month. I like
doing a 50% water change about once every 3 to 6 months. Wayne Sallee Wayne's Pets Steven M wrote on 11/6/2006 8:03 PM: BTW, there is a method to avoid water changes for more than twice a year is any at all. Can you explain how? I have to do a water change at lest overother month, might be the amount of fish I have in the tank. Thanks Steve |
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Here in the store, I use RO waist water for the toilet. It
goes into the back of the toilet. And when you flush, normaly the water in the reserve goes in the bowl, and as it is filling the reserve, it also fills the bowl with the smaller tube, But I moved the smaller tube so that it fills the reserve instead, and the ro waist water slowly fills the bowl. One nice thing about that is that if there is backup in the flush, it won't spill onto the floor. Wayne Sallee Wayne's Pets atomweaver wrote on 11/7/2006 8:57 AM: "Inabón Yunes" wrote in : Distilling water is not such a good idea. I used distilled water in my tank for two months and my KH dropped like crazy. See, distilled water has no KH. To tell you the truth, I save tap water and sit it for a week. My filter takes care of stabilizing it but I keep the new addition to no more than a gallon every two weeks. Remember, I don't have a reef aquarium, corals are very sensitive to chlorine, even a small amount will stress the polyps not to mention anemones. iy Remember, though. The OP was about what to do with _used_ water changes taken out of the aquarium, in an effort to conserve water; "Is there anything I could do with water change water from a marine setup... or is it a case of tip it down the sink.(?)" Presumably, the OP will be getting his original mix water from a source that he finds to be acceptable, and is looking for a way to make salt water useful after it has served its function in the aquarium. I'm with Frank, keep the used marine water in a bucket by the loo, and use it to flush the toilets, in place of city/well water. DaveZ Atom Weaver |
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Rowaphos!
iy "George Patterson" wrote in message news:EuS3h.1186$Bk5.1027@trnddc06... Inabón Yunes wrote: To tell you the truth, I save tap water and sit it for a week. My filter takes care of stabilizing it but I keep the new addition to no more than a gallon every two weeks. What about phosphates? My tap water has about 5 ppm. George Patterson If there are obstacles, the shortest path between two points may be the crooked one. |
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Wayne Sallee wrote:
Most people do a 15% water change once a month. I like doing a 50% water change about once every 3 to 6 months. I do 6 gallons change in my 55 gallon tank weekly. Because of all the rocks and corals, it's probably more than 15%. The RO/DI has to be run weekly anyhow, and some green algae has to be removed that often and the additives are used weekly + the coral feeding and the anemone's weekly shrimp diet, so it just seems convenient. Also, 6 gallons is how much fits in the pail, so I don't have to measure the level in the tank. It just seems all around simpler to do all the weekly stuff at once. rtk |
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Yep, and setting things up so that they are easier for you
is key. When it's easy, it gets done. Wayne Sallee Wayne's Pets rtk wrote on 11/9/2006 7:57 AM: Wayne Sallee wrote: Most people do a 15% water change once a month. I like doing a 50% water change about once every 3 to 6 months. I do 6 gallons change in my 55 gallon tank weekly. Because of all the rocks and corals, it's probably more than 15%. The RO/DI has to be run weekly anyhow, and some green algae has to be removed that often and the additives are used weekly + the coral feeding and the anemone's weekly shrimp diet, so it just seems convenient. Also, 6 gallons is how much fits in the pail, so I don't have to measure the level in the tank. It just seems all around simpler to do all the weekly stuff at once. rtk |
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It seems to me that you don't have an aquarium, the aquarium has you!
Do you ever go on vacation? if that's so, who does your weekly water changes? As far as I know, your weekly water changes replace all the filters in your tank, might as well get rid of those because they are doing nothing to your water. And you only have a 55? I have a friend that spent $3k on hardware and does water changes every 4 days, yes, almost twice a week. I have to brag about it now, I have a 65gal with a minitank in series of 20 gal, total of 85gals on my system and haven't done a water change in a year yet with 30 inches of livestock that is the envy of my neighbors because of how good it looks in my favorite place. Soon I'll be posting pictures here but until I can manage to build a better illumination system, I have to wait! iy "rtk" wrote in message ... Wayne Sallee wrote: Most people do a 15% water change once a month. I like doing a 50% water change about once every 3 to 6 months. I do 6 gallons change in my 55 gallon tank weekly. Because of all the rocks and corals, it's probably more than 15%. The RO/DI has to be run weekly anyhow, and some green algae has to be removed that often and the additives are used weekly + the coral feeding and the anemone's weekly shrimp diet, so it just seems convenient. Also, 6 gallons is how much fits in the pail, so I don't have to measure the level in the tank. It just seems all around simpler to do all the weekly stuff at once. rtk |
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I have to brag about it now, I have a 65gal with a minitank in series of
20 gal, total of 85gals on my system and haven't done a water change in a year yet with 30 inches of livestock that is the envy of my neighbors because of how good it looks in my favorite place. No water changes in a yeah? Huh? Snicker. :) I haven't done a water change over a year either. Most of these knuckle heads in this NG are brain washed into thinking you have to do water changes. The people who push it are LFS owners like Wayne. The more water changes you do the more money he makes. One of the very last times I did a water change, I screwed up my water chemistry and killed half my fish. I stopped doing water changes and my nitrites, ammonia and nitrates are all undetectable! |
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No water changes in a year NOT yeah.
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Great, at least I am not alone...
You are right, the only reason people do water changes is because their filters don't work properly. LFSs like Wayne make a lot of money of fooling people to buy a bunch or intruments that don't do anything so they have to go back to him and buy water... How about posting pictures here of our tanks? I can't wait to show mine. iy "bo0ger1" .@. wrote in message ... I have to brag about it now, I have a 65gal with a minitank in series of 20 gal, total of 85gals on my system and haven't done a water change in a year yet with 30 inches of livestock that is the envy of my neighbors because of how good it looks in my favorite place. No water changes in a yeah? Huh? Snicker. :) I haven't done a water change over a year either. Most of these knuckle heads in this NG are brain washed into thinking you have to do water changes. The people who push it are LFS owners like Wayne. The more water changes you do the more money he makes. One of the very last times I did a water change, I screwed up my water chemistry and killed half my fish. I stopped doing water changes and my nitrites, ammonia and nitrates are all undetectable! |
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That's silly. Maybe one day you will set up a reef tank,
and then you will know what this news group is all about. Wayne Sallee Wayne's Pets bo0ger1 wrote on 11/9/2006 9:09 PM: I have to brag about it now, I have a 65gal with a minitank in series of 20 gal, total of 85gals on my system and haven't done a water change in a year yet with 30 inches of livestock that is the envy of my neighbors because of how good it looks in my favorite place. No water changes in a yeah? Huh? Snicker. :) I haven't done a water change over a year either. Most of these knuckle heads in this NG are brain washed into thinking you have to do water changes. The people who push it are LFS owners like Wayne. The more water changes you do the more money he makes. One of the very last times I did a water change, I screwed up my water chemistry and killed half my fish. I stopped doing water changes and my nitrites, ammonia and nitrates are all undetectable! |
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Great tank!
Can you share the lighting system you use? Thanks, I thought I was alone against the water changes. BTW, I see is an edu site, is that tank in your house or on campus? As soon as I build my new hood, I will be posting my pictures here too... This is getting interesting, I bet the LFSs here are going to hit you hard now. iy "rtk" wrote in message ... You say you want pics? http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/...l****erID.html rtk |
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When I do and proof you wrong, will you teach your customers to build an
in-series system? iy "Wayne Sallee" wrote in message nk.net... That's silly. Maybe one day you will set up a reef tank, and then you will know what this news group is all about. Wayne Sallee Wayne's Pets Inabón Yunes wrote on 11/9/2006 8:54 PM: It seems to me that you don't have an aquarium, the aquarium has you! Do you ever go on vacation? if that's so, who does your weekly water changes? As far as I know, your weekly water changes replace all the filters in your tank, might as well get rid of those because they are doing nothing to your water. And you only have a 55? I have a friend that spent $3k on hardware and does water changes every 4 days, yes, almost twice a week. I have to brag about it now, I have a 65gal with a minitank in series of 20 gal, total of 85gals on my system and haven't done a water change in a year yet with 30 inches of livestock that is the envy of my neighbors because of how good it looks in my favorite place. Soon I'll be posting pictures here but until I can manage to build a better illumination system, I have to wait! iy "rtk" wrote in message ... Wayne Sallee wrote: Most people do a 15% water change once a month. I like doing a 50% water change about once every 3 to 6 months. I do 6 gallons change in my 55 gallon tank weekly. Because of all the rocks and corals, it's probably more than 15%. The RO/DI has to be run weekly anyhow, and some green algae has to be removed that often and the additives are used weekly + the coral feeding and the anemone's weekly shrimp diet, so it just seems convenient. Also, 6 gallons is how much fits in the pail, so I don't have to measure the level in the tank. It just seems all around simpler to do all the weekly stuff at once. rtk |
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You'll note in his previous post that he in fact does do weekly water
changes. Not 1 single person who doesn't has posted a pic of a reef tank yet. Inabón Yunes wrote: Great tank! Can you share the lighting system you use? Thanks, I thought I was alone against the water changes. BTW, I see is an edu site, is that tank in your house or on campus? As soon as I build my new hood, I will be posting my pictures here too... This is getting interesting, I bet the LFSs here are going to hit you hard now. iy "rtk" wrote in message ... You say you want pics? http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/...l****erID.html rtk |
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There's nothing new about filtering water in series :-)
Wayne Sallee Wayne's Pets Inabón Yunes wrote on 11/10/2006 7:49 PM: When I do and proof you wrong, will you teach your customers to build an in-series system? iy "Wayne Sallee" wrote in message nk.net... That's silly. Maybe one day you will set up a reef tank, and then you will know what this news group is all about. Wayne Sallee Wayne's Pets Inabón Yunes wrote on 11/9/2006 8:54 PM: It seems to me that you don't have an aquarium, the aquarium has you! Do you ever go on vacation? if that's so, who does your weekly water changes? As far as I know, your weekly water changes replace all the filters in your tank, might as well get rid of those because they are doing nothing to your water. And you only have a 55? I have a friend that spent $3k on hardware and does water changes every 4 days, yes, almost twice a week. I have to brag about it now, I have a 65gal with a minitank in series of 20 gal, total of 85gals on my system and haven't done a water change in a year yet with 30 inches of livestock that is the envy of my neighbors because of how good it looks in my favorite place. Soon I'll be posting pictures here but until I can manage to build a better illumination system, I have to wait! iy "rtk" wrote in message ... Wayne Sallee wrote: Most people do a 15% water change once a month. I like doing a 50% water change about once every 3 to 6 months. I do 6 gallons change in my 55 gallon tank weekly. Because of all the rocks and corals, it's probably more than 15%. The RO/DI has to be run weekly anyhow, and some green algae has to be removed that often and the additives are used weekly + the coral feeding and the anemone's weekly shrimp diet, so it just seems convenient. Also, 6 gallons is how much fits in the pail, so I don't have to measure the level in the tank. It just seems all around simpler to do all the weekly stuff at once. rtk |
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"rtk" wrote in message
... You say you want pics? http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/...l****erID.html rtk Nice tank. pic of mine http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n...diyrock064.jpg -- See my web site http://web.tampabay.rr.com/myreef/ |
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You'll note in his previous post that he in fact does do weekly water
changes. Not 1 single person who doesn't has posted a pic of a reef tank yet. Therefore it can't be done. Hmmm. That definitely sounds like the kind of logic that is used by people that do water changes. I don't have a reef tank. If you look hard enough on the net you will find pictures of reef tanks that are sans water changes. |
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* Pat wrote, On 11/10/2006 7:17 PM:
You'll note in his previous post that he in fact does do weekly water changes. Not 1 single person who doesn't has posted a pic of a reef tank yet. I've noticed that too.... I do twice-monthly water changes, more often if I see the need. I don't want my fish living in sh*t. Cindy |
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I've noticed that too.... I do twice-monthly water changes, more often if I see the need. I don't want my fish living in sh*t. At what point do you "see the need"? What are your requirements? If you are taking water measurements for nitrate, ammonia, or nitrite and these specs are qualifiers for your "need" to do a water change, than you have other problems. Your "need" to do a water change is masking a problem. I have a feeling that your "need" to do a water change is purely ritualistic. |
Water change reuse?
maybe the need is caused by her LFS...
See, I do have a tank with one year without a water change and took a sample to an LFS last Friday and everything looks fine except that he told me that PO4 was too high. I got a 1 mg/L and he got a 3... Then he tried to sell me water... I introduced myself as a newbie and he tried to sell me a skimmer... Something else I found interesting about my in-series filter, it is collecting a bunch of precipitate under a false floor with two inches of space under the substrate and my skimmer (home made) is collecting nothing... I am going to vacuum out all the scum to test for PO4, if it is full of it, then I am going to stop using Rowaphos iy "bo0ger1" .@. wrote in message m... I've noticed that too.... I do twice-monthly water changes, more often if I see the need. I don't want my fish living in sh*t. At what point do you "see the need"? What are your requirements? If you are taking water measurements for nitrate, ammonia, or nitrite and these specs are qualifiers for your "need" to do a water change, than you have other problems. Your "need" to do a water change is masking a problem. I have a feeling that your "need" to do a water change is purely ritualistic. |
Water change reuse?
Then tell us what is it!
I don't think you have the slightest idea since I haven't seen other like mine except in the university. iy "Wayne Sallee" wrote in message ink.net... There's nothing new about filtering water in series :-) Wayne Sallee Wayne's Pets Inabón Yunes wrote on 11/10/2006 7:49 PM: When I do and proof you wrong, will you teach your customers to build an in-series system? iy "Wayne Sallee" wrote in message nk.net... That's silly. Maybe one day you will set up a reef tank, and then you will know what this news group is all about. Wayne Sallee Wayne's Pets Inabón Yunes wrote on 11/9/2006 8:54 PM: It seems to me that you don't have an aquarium, the aquarium has you! Do you ever go on vacation? if that's so, who does your weekly water changes? As far as I know, your weekly water changes replace all the filters in your tank, might as well get rid of those because they are doing nothing to your water. And you only have a 55? I have a friend that spent $3k on hardware and does water changes every 4 days, yes, almost twice a week. I have to brag about it now, I have a 65gal with a minitank in series of 20 gal, total of 85gals on my system and haven't done a water change in a year yet with 30 inches of livestock that is the envy of my neighbors because of how good it looks in my favorite place. Soon I'll be posting pictures here but until I can manage to build a better illumination system, I have to wait! iy "rtk" wrote in message ... Wayne Sallee wrote: Most people do a 15% water change once a month. I like doing a 50% water change about once every 3 to 6 months. I do 6 gallons change in my 55 gallon tank weekly. Because of all the rocks and corals, it's probably more than 15%. The RO/DI has to be run weekly anyhow, and some green algae has to be removed that often and the additives are used weekly + the coral feeding and the anemone's weekly shrimp diet, so it just seems convenient. Also, 6 gallons is how much fits in the pail, so I don't have to measure the level in the tank. It just seems all around simpler to do all the weekly stuff at once. rtk |
Water change reuse?
Yep, you're right, I said it can't be done. Oh wait, I didn't. That's
right, I just said, in the 1000's of posts I've read on this topic and the back and forth arguments that have been done, not one person has posted a pic of their non-water changed reef tank. I'm no expert but I think the grand total cost of getting a disposable camera and taking it to WalMart to have them put it on a CD is like $20. Far less than those whom can afford this hobby should worry about. So I think there is something else preventing this. I'm not saying it can't be done. I know nothing about chemistry, nor do I wish to. I know that when I got into this hobby I read several books and web pages, not all of whom own fish stores. And everything I read recommended water changes. I don't do them as religiously as I should, and yes my critters still live. But I don't have a lot of very expensive coral, I have just a small bit. But I do change my water, and when I do it's about 50%. Do I know that if I didn't I would be killing my inverts? no...but water changes are more than nitrate export, they also replace important elements that get used by corals(from my understanding). bo0ger1 wrote: You'll note in his previous post that he in fact does do weekly water changes. Not 1 single person who doesn't has posted a pic of a reef tank yet. Therefore it can't be done. Hmmm. That definitely sounds like the kind of logic that is used by people that do water changes. I don't have a reef tank. If you look hard enough on the net you will find pictures of reef tanks that are sans water changes. |
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