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Yesterday there was a power failure and my aquarium temperature rose to
nearly 30 degrees C (90 F) The forecast is for a prolonged hot spell with temperatures in the high 30s (degrees C) = 100 degrees F The local pet shop owner reported that the fish jump out of her tanks if it gets too hot. Any suggestions on how to manage an aquarium during hot weather? (with or without a power failure.) David F |
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David F wrote: Yesterday there was a power failure and my aquarium temperature rose to nearly 30 degrees C (90 F) The forecast is for a prolonged hot spell with temperatures in the high 30s (degrees C) = 100 degrees F The local pet shop owner reported that the fish jump out of her tanks if it gets too hot. Any suggestions on how to manage an aquarium during hot weather? (with or without a power failure.) David F I would probably do a 25% water change & add water that is around 75 degrees to your tank, that way the warm water will balance out and cool it down without shocking the fish.. When the power is on keep on the air at a cooler than usual temp so the glass/acrylic will not absorb the heat as much.. When you have an outage, try the above with the cooler water and it should take awhile before the water gets too hot again.. It worked for me in the sumer, so hope this helps you.. |
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On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:59:49 +1100, David F
wrote: Yesterday there was a power failure and my aquarium temperature rose to nearly 30 degrees C (90 F) The forecast is for a prolonged hot spell with temperatures in the high 30s (degrees C) = 100 degrees F The local pet shop owner reported that the fish jump out of her tanks if it gets too hot. Any suggestions on how to manage an aquarium during hot weather? (with or without a power failure.) David F Uncover the tank so as to maximise evaporation. Cover the tank with screen to prevent jumping. Replenish the evaporated water. Isn't it wild to be in touch with the whole world. It is 20F where I live. Never got above 22F all day yesterday. At least I have reliable power. Good luck. |
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Dick wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:59:49 +1100, David F wrote: Yesterday there was a power failure and my aquarium temperature rose to nearly 30 degrees C (90 F) The forecast is for a prolonged hot spell with temperatures in the high 30s (degrees C) = 100 degrees F The local pet shop owner reported that the fish jump out of her tanks if it gets too hot. Any suggestions on how to manage an aquarium during hot weather? (with or without a power failure.) David F Uncover the tank so as to maximise evaporation. Cover the tank with screen to prevent jumping. Replenish the evaporated water. Thanks, good suggestion Isn't it wild to be in touch with the whole world. It is 20F where I live. Never got above 22F all day yesterday. At least I have reliable power. What? - a daily maximum of only 22F! That's about minus 5 degrees Centigrade! I can't imagine how people live in such a cold climate. I guess it would be very comforting to look at tropical fish when it's so cold outside. David F, Australia |
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David F wrote: Yesterday there was a power failure and my aquarium temperature rose to nearly 30 degrees C (90 F) The forecast is for a prolonged hot spell with temperatures in the high 30s (degrees C) = 100 degrees F The local pet shop owner reported that the fish jump out of her tanks if it gets too hot. Any suggestions on how to manage an aquarium during hot weather? (with or without a power failure.) David F When I had my aquarium maintenance business in LA; heat waves, rolling blackouts, & air conditioner failures were common. We had 2 liter frozen pop bottles stored in the freezers at our customers to place in the tanks at this time, we also covered the tanks in wet towels where the evaporation from the wet towels kept the tanks cool. We were able to keep tanks reasonably cool (under 27 C) when outside temperatures were over 35 C even with large aquariums. It is interesting to think about heat problems when our kids just had their 3rd snow day in a week! Carl |
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"David F" wrote in message ... Yesterday there was a power failure and my aquarium temperature rose to nearly 30 degrees C (90 F) The forecast is for a prolonged hot spell with temperatures in the high 30s (degrees C) = 100 degrees F The local pet shop owner reported that the fish jump out of her tanks if it gets too hot. Any suggestions on how to manage an aquarium during hot weather? (with or without a power failure.) David F get a battery powered aerator If you use sponge air powered filters it can be a case of unplugging the airpump from the tubing and plugging tubing into battery powered aerator. Still warm water loses oxygen very quickly!!!! If you still have power directing a pedastal fan onto the water surface is the most efficent way other than getting a purpose made chiller unit. Many people float frozen water bottles, and this can work for smaller tanks. In a blackout bacteria in cannister filters will quickly suffocate and rot. Consider giving them a clean in water drawn from the aquarium and leaving the filter media in wet in open buckets until you get power and can re-pack and start the cannister filter. We face lots of blackouts around here and my tanks reguarly get up around 30deg C. Putting some solar panels/batterys up soon, so going to have quite the kickass backup. |
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swarvegorilla wrote: "David F" wrote in message ... Yesterday there was a power failure and my aquarium temperature rose to nearly 30 degrees C (90 F) The forecast is for a prolonged hot spell with temperatures in the high 30s (degrees C) = 100 degrees F The local pet shop owner reported that the fish jump out of her tanks if it gets too hot. Any suggestions on how to manage an aquarium during hot weather? (with or without a power failure.) David F get a battery powered aerator If you use sponge air powered filters it can be a case of unplugging the airpump from the tubing and plugging tubing into battery powered aerator. Still warm water loses oxygen very quickly!!!! If you still have power directing a pedastal fan onto the water surface is the most efficent way other than getting a purpose made chiller unit. Many people float frozen water bottles, and this can work for smaller tanks. In a blackout bacteria in cannister filters will quickly suffocate and rot. Consider giving them a clean in water drawn from the aquarium and leaving the filter media in wet in open buckets until you get power and can re-pack and start the cannister filter. We face lots of blackouts around here and my tanks reguarly get up around 30deg C. Putting some solar panels/batterys up soon, so going to have quite the kickass backup. Those battery air pumps are a great idea! I also used automatic ones that switch over to battery power fails. One other idea that we used in our LFS during the LA, CA rolling blackouts was a RV battery (or two in parallel) with a Modified sine wave inverter, this also ran our electronics during this time. Carl |
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"swarvegorilla" wrote in message ... In a blackout bacteria in cannister filters will quickly suffocate and rot. Consider giving them a clean in water drawn from the aquarium and leaving the filter media in wet in open buckets until you get power and can re-pack and start the cannister filter. ================== I use external Aquaclears and I do the same as I would with my old Fluval canister. After 10 to 15 minutes if the power doesn't come back on I remove the inserts and dump the sponges and bio-bead bags in a low pan of tank water. We have two battery powered aerators we use both for blackouts and when delivering fish to stores. -- ZB.... Frugal ponding since 1995. rec.ponder since late 1996. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 ~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({* |
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"carlrs" wrote in message ups.com... Those battery air pumps are a great idea! I also used automatic ones that switch over to battery power fails. One other idea that we used in our LFS during the LA, CA rolling blackouts was a RV battery (or two in parallel) with a Modified sine wave inverter, this also ran our electronics during this time. =================== That would be a ideal for a hobbyist with a load of tanks. We have the type fishermen use to keep their bait alive. They run for a long time on batter power. They cost around $5 each and have lasted for years. -- ZB.... Frugal ponding since 1995. rec.ponder since late 1996. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 ~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({* |
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"Zëbulon" wrote in message ... "carlrs" wrote in message ups.com... Those battery air pumps are a great idea! I also used automatic ones that switch over to battery power fails. One other idea that we used in our LFS during the LA, CA rolling blackouts was a RV battery (or two in parallel) with a Modified sine wave inverter, this also ran our electronics during this time. =================== That would be a ideal for a hobbyist with a load of tanks. We have the type fishermen use to keep their bait alive. They run for a long time on batter power. They cost around $5 each and have lasted for years. I have been buying them from a chinese supplier. They cost me around $2 Aus each if I get a box of 25 they do last for quite a while too. If you have an inverter you can run off a car you can power an entire fish room. Most of my setups run off one large air pump so this has been my panic solution up until now. I like the idea of a seperate redundency tho. SOlar is finally getting cheap and it's getting f'ing hot and brite here in Oz :) |
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"Zëbulon" wrote in message ... "swarvegorilla" wrote in message ... In a blackout bacteria in cannister filters will quickly suffocate and rot. Consider giving them a clean in water drawn from the aquarium and leaving the filter media in wet in open buckets until you get power and can re-pack and start the cannister filter. ================== I use external Aquaclears and I do the same as I would with my old Fluval canister. After 10 to 15 minutes if the power doesn't come back on I remove the inserts and dump the sponges and bio-bead bags in a low pan of tank water. We have two battery powered aerators we use both for blackouts and when delivering fish to stores. -- I use them when bringing home species I have caught by rod and reel for my aquariums. One problem have 20 going and it sounds horrible but yea... emergency and all :) |
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On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 14:24:42 +1100, David F wrote:
Dick wrote: Isn't it wild to be in touch with the whole world. It is 20F where I live. Never got above 22F all day yesterday. At least I have reliable power. What? - a daily maximum of only 22F! That's about minus 5 degrees Centigrade! I can't imagine how people live in such a cold climate. I guess it would be very comforting to look at tropical fish when it's so cold outside. Utah has been between -9 and +20F (-22 and -5C) going on 10 days straight. Tomorrow it *might* reach 32F (0C). My house is kept at a balmy 65F, so there isn't that big of a difference between air and water temperatures. I also keep the air humidity at least 40%. Evaporation still is crazy - I lose almost a gallon per day, but oh well. Laie Techie |
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"swarvegorilla" wrote in message ... "Zëbulon" wrote in message That would be a ideal for a hobbyist with a load of tanks. We have the type fishermen use to keep their bait alive. They run for a long time on batter power. They cost around $5 each and have lasted for years. ------- I have been buying them from a chinese supplier. They cost me around $2 Aus each if I get a box of 25 they do last for quite a while too. If you have an inverter you can run off a car you can power an entire fish room. I asked my husband if he knows what a converter is and he said YES! :-))) I think we're going to have a decent backup here soon! Most of my setups run off one large air pump so this has been my panic solution up until now. These little cheapos have been our indoor solution to the loss of power we sometimes experience. Fortunately the blackouts seldom last very long. I'm always concerned about the pond fish in summer when this happens. But so far they always came through ok! We never had one to die. Pond water here can reach the 90s (F) in summer. I like the idea of a seperate redundency tho. SOlar is finally getting cheap and it's getting f'ing hot and brite here in Oz :) I live in the southern part of the USA so can fully appreciate the heat and humidity you must endure down under. It can be in the 90s for days at a time here. The only thing solar powered we have are the outside lights around the ponds. -- ZB.... Frugal ponding since 1995. rec.ponder since late 1996. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 Troll free pond and fish Forum: http://www.karlsforums.com/forums/fo...ay.php?fid=104 ~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({* |
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"swarvegorilla" wrote in message u... "Zëbulon" wrote in message We have two battery powered aerators we use both for blackouts and when delivering fish to stores. -- I use them when bringing home species I have caught by rod and reel for my aquariums. One problem have 20 going and it sounds horrible but yea... emergency and all :) =========================== EeeeeeeeeeeK! Twenty of them at once!!!!! I would need ear plugs. ;-) -- ZB.... Frugal ponding since 1995. rec.ponder since late 1996. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 Troll free pond and fish Forum: http://www.karlsforums.com/forums/fo...ay.php?fid=104 ~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({* |
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Replacing filter media in 10 to 15 minutes of a power outage is
assinine to say the least. If it approached an hours time I would start to worry but not merely 10-15 minutes......As cxheap as gen sets are there is no excuse not to uyse one or at least a UPS as is ofund ohn a computer. If its hot weather no need to run a heater so that UPS wil last a lot longer than in winter time. Common dry cell pumps are a joke for the most part and yuy cancount on it letting you down just when yu really need it. A UPS can eaily handle quite a few filters or air pumps for an hour or two.........and then considering Big Lots had 2500 watt gen sets for $149 there is no need to buy battery operated junk. Even Harbor Freight has cheap gen sets which will power more than just a fish tank and givce the owner some relief as well, for under $250....... ------- I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know! |
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Zëbulon wrote: I asked my husband if he knows what a converter is and he said YES! :-))) I think we're going to have a decent backup here soon! Make sure you get an Inverter, not a Converter. An Inverter converts D/C to A/C while a Converter converts A/C to D/C, Also make sure you get a modified or pure sine wave model, the cheap square wave models are no good. Carl |
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"carlrs" wrote in message ups.com... Make sure you get an Inverter, not a Converter. An Inverter converts D/C to A/C while a Converter converts A/C to D/C, Also make sure you get a modified or pure sine wave model, the cheap square wave models are no good. How do you tell which is which? I have an inverter so that I can run and recharge my laptop in my car. But I can see no indication as to what type sine wave model it uses (as if I even knew what they were). -- -Don Ever had one of those days where you just felt like: http://cosmoslair.com/BadDay.html ? (Eating the elephant outside the box, one paradigm at a time) |
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Don Freeman wrote: "carlrs" wrote in message ups.com... Make sure you get an Inverter, not a Converter. An Inverter converts D/C to A/C while a Converter converts A/C to D/C, Also make sure you get a modified or pure sine wave model, the cheap square wave models are no good. How do you tell which is which? I have an inverter so that I can run and recharge my laptop in my car. But I can see no indication as to what type sine wave model it uses (as if I even knew what they were). -- -Don Ever had one of those days where you just felt like: http://cosmoslair.com/BadDay.html ? (Eating the elephant outside the box, one paradigm at a time) Since your laptop is basically powered by a battery, a modified sine wave inverter is fine and is generaly fine for many appliances, but sensitive electronics do best with a true sine wave inverter. A square wave inverter would damage most electronics. My inverters say some where on them what they are. Also all interters at the time of purchase should have the type of sine wave printed on the package. But using price as a guage (usd), A 400 watt modified sine wave inverter will run $50- $100. A 400 watt true sine wave inverter will run about $150 -$200. Anything less than $25 is probably a square wave. Here is a site I found on a search about this: http://www.pcguide.com/ref/power/ext...cOutput-c.html |
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"carlrs" wrote in message ups.com... Zëbulon wrote: I asked my husband if he knows what a converter is and he said YES! :-))) I think we're going to have a decent backup here soon! Make sure you get an Inverter, not a Converter. An Inverter converts D/C to A/C while a Converter converts A/C to D/C, Also make sure you get a modified or pure sine wave model, the cheap square wave models are no good. ======================= Thanks Carl, I'll pass that info on to him. -- ZB.... Frugal ponding since 1995. rec.ponder since late 1996. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 Troll free pond and fish Forum: http://www.karlsforums.com/forums/fo...ay.php?fid=104 ~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({* |
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"Tristan" wrote in message ... Replacing filter media in 10 to 15 minutes of a power outage is assinine to say the least. If it approached an hours time I would start to worry but not merely 10-15 minutes......As cxheap as gen sets are there is no excuse not to uyse one or at least a UPS as is ofund ohn a computer. If its hot weather no need to run a heater so that UPS wil last a lot longer than in winter time. Common dry cell pumps are a joke for the most part and yuy cancount on it letting you down just when yu really need it. A UPS can eaily handle quite a few filters or air pumps for an hour or two.........and then considering Big Lots had 2500 watt gen sets for $149 there is no need to buy battery operated junk. Even Harbor Freight has cheap gen sets which will power more than just a fish tank and givce the owner some relief as well, for under $250....... ------- I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know! $2 airpump + $4 batterys keeps my 6 tanks alive for many many hours at least 4 or 5. If it comes to the invertor then all the tanks are fine. Truth be told tho.... If my fish look like they are going down and I am a breeder yea I pack my tanks in some cases! I will catch out the fish, bag them and pack them in the corner in styrofoam boxes. sure it may not keep them alive for longer but at least ya don't have to watch them die.... no that was a joke it does help them and is always an option heck ya could ship them to somewhere with power really :) |
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"Zëbulon" wrote in message ... "swarvegorilla" wrote in message u... "Zëbulon" wrote in message We have two battery powered aerators we use both for blackouts and when delivering fish to stores. -- I use them when bringing home species I have caught by rod and reel for my aquariums. One problem have 20 going and it sounds horrible but yea... emergency and all :) =========================== EeeeeeeeeeeK! Twenty of them at once!!!!! I would need ear plugs. ;-) -- Well you'd prob need the earplugs to block out my frantic fretting anyway. blackouts..... blackouts can be..... stressful times. GO! GO! GO!!!!! As can the dam fire fighting helicopter filling up from your garden pond............ poor goldy mankin' up gods filters now hey |
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Yea, fire fighting helicopters have no interest in mud holes and put holes some dumbasses like Carol call a pond!On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:41:52 -0600, Zëbulon wrote: "swarvegorilla" wrote in message m.au... As can the dam fire fighting helicopter filling up from your garden pond............ poor goldy mankin' up gods filters now hey ======================== I'm glad I don't have THAT worry. They brought fire-plugs to our area a few years back. We even have a firehouse and fire truck way out here. It's all volunteer. Everyone donates $$$ for the upkeep of the equipment. :-) ------- I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know! |
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"swarvegorilla" wrote in message ... As can the dam fire fighting helicopter filling up from your garden pond............ poor goldy mankin' up gods filters now hey ======================== I'm glad I don't have THAT worry. They brought fire-plugs to our area a few years back. We even have a firehouse and fire truck way out here. It's all volunteer. Everyone donates $$$ for the upkeep of the equipment. :-) -- ZB.... Frugal ponding since 1995. rec.ponder since late 1996. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 Troll free pond and fish Forum: http://www.karlsforums.com/forums/fo...ay.php?fid=104 ~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({* |
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"swarvegorilla" wrote in message ... Truth be told tho.... If my fish look like they are going down and I am a breeder yea I pack my tanks in some cases! ================================= You can save them by taking a cup or bowl and using it to remove and pour back the water... aerating and stirring it. -- ZB.... Frugal ponding since 1995. rec.ponder since late 1996. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 Troll free pond and fish Forum: http://www.karlsforums.com/forums/fo...ay.php?fid=104 ~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({* |
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"Zëbulon" wrote in message ... "swarvegorilla" wrote in message ... Truth be told tho.... If my fish look like they are going down and I am a breeder yea I pack my tanks in some cases! ================================= You can save them by taking a cup or bowl and using it to remove and pour back the water... aerating and stirring it. not when I have to go to work for 6 hours I can't! The oldschool way was a bucket with a hole above the tank drip, drip,drip..... all ya need to break the surface |
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Down here in Miami Beach, Florida, [where it's in the high 70's, low
80's°F] there is a supermarket two blocks away from my home that is open 24/7. They have their own generator to supply their electrical needs when the power goes out, and in the past they have let me stick some one gallon plastic milk jugs full of water in unused areas of their freezers. You might just want to ask around to the shops, markets, and stores that have generators and freezers if you could do the same thing. Inside those walk-in freezers, it doesn't take but a short while before the jugs are frozen solid. ~Dean. |
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"Papa Red" wrote in message ... Down here in Miami Beach, Florida, [where it's in the high 70's, low 80's°F] there is a supermarket two blocks away from my home that is open 24/7. They have their own generator to supply their electrical needs when the power goes out, and in the past they have let me stick some one gallon plastic milk jugs full of water in unused areas of their freezers. You might just want to ask around to the shops, markets, and stores that have generators and freezers if you could do the same thing. Inside those walk-in freezers, it doesn't take but a short while before the jugs are frozen solid. ~Dean. ========================== If you lose power regularly you may want to invest in a small generator. One just big enough to keep your tanks going plus a coffee pot and small lamp......... ;-) If power outages were a problem here I would definitely get a generator for all the outdoor tanks and the 2 ponds we have. -- ZB.... Frugal ponding since 1995. rec.ponder since late 1996. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 ~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({* |
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Hey Carol Any one ever tell yor that your a freaking idiot? Consider your self told! You just have to impart "YOU" into every post made weather or not you have anay thing of beneficial info to add to it. Your a freaking idiot! In addition to being a freaking attention whore! On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 14:42:58 -0600, Zëbulon frothed venomeously: "Papa Red" wrote in message ... Down here in Miami Beach, Florida, [where it's in the high 70's, low 80's°F] there is a supermarket two blocks away from my home that is open 24/7. They have their own generator to supply their electrical needs when the power goes out, and in the past they have let me stick some one gallon plastic milk jugs full of water in unused areas of their freezers. You might just want to ask around to the shops, markets, and stores that have generators and freezers if you could do the same thing. Inside those walk-in freezers, it doesn't take but a short while before the jugs are frozen solid. ~Dean. ========================== If you lose power regularly you may want to invest in a small generator. One just big enough to keep your tanks going plus a coffee pot and small lamp......... ;-) If power outages were a problem here I would definitely get a generator for all the outdoor tanks and the 2 ponds we have. Allthe outdoor kiddie pools and mud puddles i the dirt road is what you mean, you lying attention ho. ------- I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know! |
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Papa Red wrote:
Down here in Miami Beach, Florida, [where it's in the high 70's, low 80's°F] there is a supermarket two blocks away from my home that is open 24/7. They have their own generator to supply their electrical needs when the power goes out, and in the past they have let me stick some one gallon plastic milk jugs full of water in unused areas of their freezers. You might just want to ask around to the shops, markets, and stores that have generators and freezers if you could do the same thing. Inside those walk-in freezers, it doesn't take but a short while before the jugs are frozen solid. ~Dean. Hi Dean, Long time since I've seen you post....happy to see you are still around - you are missed :-) So back to the original post.... I think here there has to be a certain perspective as to what is achievable or not....a generator might be an option for some properties/budgets but not for all.....the keeping of the water cool by your method is great.....but let me share a story from the 70s in the UK - non fish related.... It was a time of industrial problems - electricity got rationed and we lived through what was termed the "3 day week" - we got scheduled power cuts which meant we could plan meals etc. around them....but sometimes the preparation had to get done by candle - I still have a deep scar on my finger from attempting to carve some lamb by candle light and slipping - I was around 10 at the time....anyway that aside....my Mum's next door neighbour was totally addicted to his TV.....he could not cope with the 3 hours of scheduled power outs....so he used to power 3 TVs from a car battery.....and then charge them up again ready for the next power cut.... My point here is that you don't need an expensive solution....with a little bit of creativity you could buy a car battery and charger and the necessary kit to use this to convert to your normal voltage....and run your heater, pump, air bricks etc. for a certain length of time to survive an outage....don't ask me how to do it....all I know is that this bloke next door used to power his TV this way while the rest of us sat in darkness....and I'm sure that much the same thing could be done to keep a tank going.... Gill |
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I am just surprised that a person living in miami florida does not
have a gen set....Harbor freight as well as BIg Lots have gen sets more than sufficieint to power most any aquarium setup with heaters even and a coffee maker and probbaly a light or two for under $250, and living in Flkorida I would think it would be standard essentials. Heck if it was only used for one hurricane for a few days it paid for itself in convienience. Perhaps an apartment owner may have problems with it, but a person who resides in a typical house or trailer....it should be part of essential needs. On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 23:10:24 +0000, Gill Passman wrote: Papa Red wrote: Down here in Miami Beach, Florida, [where it's in the high 70's, low 80's°F] there is a supermarket two blocks away from my home that is open 24/7. They have their own generator to supply their electrical needs when the power goes out, and in the past they have let me stick some one gallon plastic milk jugs full of water in unused areas of their freezers. You might just want to ask around to the shops, markets, and stores that have generators and freezers if you could do the same thing. Inside those walk-in freezers, it doesn't take but a short while before the jugs are frozen solid. ~Dean. Hi Dean, Long time since I've seen you post....happy to see you are still around - you are missed :-) So back to the original post.... I think here there has to be a certain perspective as to what is achievable or not....a generator might be an option for some properties/budgets but not for all.....the keeping of the water cool by your method is great.....but let me share a story from the 70s in the UK - non fish related.... It was a time of industrial problems - electricity got rationed and we lived through what was termed the "3 day week" - we got scheduled power cuts which meant we could plan meals etc. around them....but sometimes the preparation had to get done by candle - I still have a deep scar on my finger from attempting to carve some lamb by candle light and slipping - I was around 10 at the time....anyway that aside....my Mum's next door neighbour was totally addicted to his TV.....he could not cope with the 3 hours of scheduled power outs....so he used to power 3 TVs from a car battery.....and then charge them up again ready for the next power cut.... My point here is that you don't need an expensive solution....with a little bit of creativity you could buy a car battery and charger and the necessary kit to use this to convert to your normal voltage....and run your heater, pump, air bricks etc. for a certain length of time to survive an outage....don't ask me how to do it....all I know is that this bloke next door used to power his TV this way while the rest of us sat in darkness....and I'm sure that much the same thing could be done to keep a tank going.... Gill ------- I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know! |
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Tristan wrote:
I am just surprised that a person living in miami florida does not have a gen set....Harbor freight as well as BIg Lots have gen sets more than sufficieint to power most any aquarium setup with heaters even and a coffee maker and probbaly a light or two for under $250, and living in Flkorida I would think it would be standard essentials. Heck if it was only used for one hurricane for a few days it paid for itself in convienience. Perhaps an apartment owner may have problems with it, but a person who resides in a typical house or trailer....it should be part of essential needs. Maybe there are some people who just don't even have $250 to spare or the type of accomodation to fit such a thing in even if they did have the money in the first place....you and I would take that path....but then I would guess neither you or I live in a world/environment where this becomes an issue.....so stepping out beyond our experiences or what we would do is what is required here....and becoming creative for others less fortunate is what we should also be thinking of..... Not everyone living in Miami, Florida has money....same way as not everyone in Alabama or SE UK does....but we still want the best for our fish and to make best plans for them in the case of a power outage.... Gill |
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"Tristan" wrote in message ... snip inane spewings =============== Seek help Roy Tristan Hauer. I cannot help you by being your bully-punching-bag. Call the VA and make an appointment. Only a psychiatrist has the power to help you and end your misery. As Gill said: "I hope that noone demeans themselves to troll this thread.....that would make them the lowest of the low IMO..... " Don't make yourself the "lowest of the low" every day. -- ZB.... Frugal ponding since 1995. rec.ponder since late 1996. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 ~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({* |
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"Gill Passman" wrote in message ... Maybe there are some people who just don't even have $250 to spare or the type of accomodation to fit such a thing in even if they did have the money in the first place... Not everyone living in Miami, Florida has money....same way as not everyone in Alabama or SE UK does....but we still want the best for our fish and to make best plans for them in the case of a power outage.... =================================== In some places they are not allowed due to the NOISE they make. Different subdivisions have different rules people must follow. In that case battery back-up would be preferable. But some people can't even afford that. -- ZB.... Frugal ponding since 1995. rec.ponder since late 1996. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 ~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({* |
Hot weather, no electricity (noise)
Get a clue. IN times of emergency I serioiuosly doubt folks are gonna get into trouble with a noise issue coming form a gen set. Tell me honestly in Florida right now are police interested in answering a noise complaint form a person with agen set trying to survive..I DOUBT IT VERY MUCH! No go buy a clue......as it seems your in this game without one and flying by the seat of your pants just to stay inthe game is not gonna cut it, or the unrelentless urge to respond to posts which has a hold on you big time CArol! You know what CArol, Battery back up with flash light batteries sucks big time just like you do on those street corners. Must suck to be named CArol Gulley...... On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 11:31:05 -0600, Zëbulon wrote: "Gill Passman" wrote in message ... Maybe there are some people who just don't even have $250 to spare or the type of accomodation to fit such a thing in even if they did have the money in the first place... Not everyone living in Miami, Florida has money....same way as not everyone in Alabama or SE UK does....but we still want the best for our fish and to make best plans for them in the case of a power outage.... =================================== In some places they are not allowed due to the NOISE they make. Different subdivisions have different rules people must follow. In that case battery back-up would be preferable. But some people can't even afford that. ------- I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know! |
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Your like a ****ing broken record carol...... On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 19:20:49 -0600, Zëbulon wrote: "Tristan" wrote in message m... Moronic gibbering snipped ========================= There are no street corners where I live. Please call the VA hospital as they are the only ones who can help you with your delusions, before you harm yourself or someone else. I can't help you and wouldn't even try. ------- I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know! |
Hot weather, no electricity (noise)
"Tristan" wrote in message ... Moronic gibbering snipped ========================= There are no street corners where I live. Please call the VA hospital as they are the only ones who can help you with your delusions, before you harm yourself or someone else. I can't help you and wouldn't even try. -- ZB.... Frugal ponding since 1995. rec.ponder since late 1996. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 ~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({* |
Hot weather, no electricity (noise)
"Tristan" wrote in message ... Your like a ****ing broken record carol...... ===================== So are you Tristan, so are you. You demean yourself by trolling every thread with the same gibbering, the same babbling nonsense. Now please call the VA and get yourself some help before you harm yourself or some innocent person. I can't help you by being your psychological punching bag, your scape-goat. You need to find a healthier way to build your low self-esteem and to make yourself a hero in your own eyes.... this way is not working for you as anyone can see. You're not getting the relief you need either. These people will help you. They helped you before. Veterans Administration Hospital 215 Perry Hill Rd Montgomery, AL 36109 (334) 272-4670 -- ZB.... Frugal ponding since 1995. rec.ponder since late 1996. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 ~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({* |
Hot weather, no electricity
"Gill Passman" wrote in message ... Tristan wrote: I am just surprised that a person living in miami florida does not have a gen set....Harbor freight as well as BIg Lots have gen sets more than sufficieint to power most any aquarium setup with heaters even and a coffee maker and probbaly a light or two for under $250, and living in Flkorida I would think it would be standard essentials. Heck if it was only used for one hurricane for a few days it paid for itself in convienience. Perhaps an apartment owner may have problems with it, but a person who resides in a typical house or trailer....it should be part of essential needs. Maybe there are some people who just don't even have $250 to spare or the type of accomodation to fit such a thing in even if they did have the money in the first place....you and I would take that path....but then I would guess neither you or I live in a world/environment where this becomes an issue.....so stepping out beyond our experiences or what we would do is what is required here....and becoming creative for others less fortunate is what we should also be thinking of..... Not everyone living in Miami, Florida has money....same way as not everyone in Alabama or SE UK does....but we still want the best for our fish and to make best plans for them in the case of a power outage.... Gill then buy a $5 battery powered air pump and move up from there. myself I want a cold fusion reactor once I get that it's all good :) |
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