freshwater plants question
 

I just got an order of plants from That Fish Place, very happy with them. I
have several corkscrew vals, 2 rad___ (something) swords, 2 dwarf onion
plants and a moss ball. I only have a 10 gallon, so these amount of plants
give a very nice, moderately lush setting for my community tank. I have a
125 penguin biowheel filter. And I use 2 (20 watt) compact fluorescent
bulbs. Having said that I hope my filteration and wattage is adequate
because I'm not an expert. Now onto my concern about caring for these
plants. I have limited funds, time and expertise so I want to make the best
of the plant quality. I'm not going to go out and buy an expensive
complicated co2 thingy. Currently I have plant tabs and I also have florish
excel. Given all this info, what would you suggest in my plant care?
Thanks!

freshwater plants question
 

One more question. Prior to live plants I did a water change every 3 weeks
and that seemed fine. I never have problems with fish deaths or water
quality (I do test monthly). However I did have moderate algae growth on
the glass and plastic plants. With the plants to add oxygen to the tank and
to fight with the algae, should I do water changes more often with plants,
or will I find I can go longer with the plants? keeping in mind I will be
adding florish excel to the water. Also I'm a little confused with the
florish excel instructions, it says to add 1 ml for every 10 gallons "every
day or every other day". Does this seem too frequent?

freshwater plants question
 

"Tara Legale" wrote in message
...
I just got an order of plants from That Fish Place, very happy with them.
I have several corkscrew vals, 2 rad___ (something) swords, 2 dwarf onion
plants and a moss ball. I only have a 10 gallon, so these amount of
plants give a very nice, moderately lush setting for my community tank. I
have a 125 penguin biowheel filter. And I use 2 (20 watt) compact
fluorescent bulbs. Having said that I hope my filteration and wattage is
adequate because I'm not an expert. Now onto my concern about caring for
these plants. I have limited funds, time and expertise so I want to make
the best of the plant quality. I'm not going to go out and buy an
expensive complicated co2 thingy. Currently I have plant tabs and I also
have florish excel. Given all this info, what would you suggest in my
plant care? Thanks!
================================
Get a "complete fertilizer" type liquid at your local pet shop. Pet
Supermarket and PetsMart carry them in my area. Or go to the Foster & Smith
online site and see what they have. That's where I get mine.
--
RM....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö

freshwater plants question
 

"Tara Legale" wrote in message
...
One more question. Prior to live plants I did a water change every 3
weeks and that seemed fine. I never have problems with fish deaths or
water quality (I do test monthly). However I did have moderate algae
growth on the glass and plastic plants. With the plants to add oxygen to
the tank and to fight with the algae, should I do water changes more often
with plants, or will I find I can go longer with the plants? keeping in
mind I will be adding florish excel to the water. Also I'm a little
confused with the florish excel instructions, it says to add 1 ml for
every 10 gallons "every day or every other day". Does this seem too
frequent?
=========================
I feel I wasted my money with Flourish Excel. It made no difference one way
or the other. I got the best results from the tabs placed in the gravel
under the plants and plain Flourish. Excel isn't a fertilizer and it didn't
kill algae in any of my tanks as some people claim. Continue the water
changes.
--
RM....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö

freshwater plants question
 

Tara Legale wrote:
I just got an order of plants from That Fish Place, very happy with them. I
have several corkscrew vals, 2 rad___ (something) swords, 2 dwarf onion
plants and a moss ball. I only have a 10 gallon, so these amount of plants
give a very nice, moderately lush setting for my community tank. I have a
125 penguin biowheel filter. And I use 2 (20 watt) compact fluorescent
bulbs. Having said that I hope my filteration and wattage is adequate
because I'm not an expert. Now onto my concern about caring for these
plants. I have limited funds, time and expertise so I want to make the best
of the plant quality. I'm not going to go out and buy an expensive
complicated co2 thingy. Currently I have plant tabs and I also have florish
excel. Given all this info, what would you suggest in my plant care?
Thanks!


Sounds like a nice selection of plants......the vals should send out
side shoots eventually and spread nicely across the tank......Can't
comment on the lighting really as I'm no expert but it should be
adequate for most plants - you might have a problem with the red plants
as these often require a higher light intensity...

As for encouraging the plant growth it sounds like you have got it
sussed for now - I don't use CO2 either but do use Flourish Excel in one
of my tanks - I've been dosing weekly with the water change, not quite
as per the instructions on the bottle but it works for me. One thing
that I have found is that I've never had a problem with algae in the
tank where I do use it......It is in the same location where I had an
algea ridden 4 foot tank so it's not down to direct sunlight......The
theory with plants and adding ferts and CO2/Flourish Excel is that by
promoting the growth higher level plants the algae gets starved
out....Of course you will still get the green spot stuff on the glass....

As for water changes if you are happy with your water quality then your
current regime should be fine - the plants will help keep the good water
quality and reduce phosphates and nitrates naturally (so in fact improve
it).....Personally I would say increasing the water change frequency
would have a negative impact rather than a positive one on the plants -
I do weekly changes on my tanks that sometimes creeps up to
fortnightly.....Just one thing to add on the water changes, and that is
making the assumption that you gravel vac at the same time, is be
careful vaccuuming around the plant roots....in fact the roots of the
plants should help keep the gravel cleaner and aerated anyhow.....

Gill

freshwater plants question
 

I used to buy plants, only to have them dissolve and die off in my 120L
tank. Better lighting and flourish excel, combined with a better choice
of plants bought on-line has worked wonders. Algae (which I didn't
really have a problem with to begin) has all but disappeared. I do a 15%
change every week, skipping one in every four weeks. Fewer water changes
are better for plants, worse for fish. It's all about finding the
balance that works for your setup. I dose with flourish 3 times weekly.

HTH,
Rob.

freshwater plants question
 

Whats this Carol Gulley still pretending to know what the hell your
talkin gabout. You need to get off the internet its for adults. Carol
Gulley is a plagaraizing attention whore badly in need of meds. She
really belongs in that fat assed low carb diet group with her other
buddy!


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freshwater plants question
 

Ahhhhhhhhh, so if its not Miss Legale all 350+ pounds of her....whats
a matter there fat ass you like the attention you got before and had
to come back for more.......or do you plan to grab info and then slam
the group again?


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freshwater plants question
 

"~Roy~" wrote in message
...
Ahhhhhhhhh, so if its not Miss Legale all 350+ pounds of her....

Sigh... And we were doing so well for awhile.

freshwater plants question
 

Tara Legale wrote:

I just got an order of plants from That Fish Place, very happy with them.**I
have several corkscrew vals, 2 rad___ (something) swords, 2 dwarf onion
plants and a moss ball.***I*only*have*a*10*gallon,*so*these*amount*o f*plants
give a very nice, moderately lush setting for my community tank.**I*have*a
125 penguin biowheel filter.**And*I*use*2*(20*watt)*compact*fluorescent
bulbs.**Having*said*that*I*hope*my*filteration*and *wattage*is*adequate
because I'm not an expert.

You've got way too much light without CO2 injection. I had 2 of the 10 watt
CFs in a 10 gallon and my plants did great. I did use Excel as well as
fertilizer tabs so can't say which did the most good.

I'm not familiar with the Penguin but I used the smallest AquaClear with no
problems. I changed 2 gallons of water once a week, but that will depend on
your fish load.

The plants will eventually deposit an amazing amount of crud (mulm) so be sure
to vacuum occasionally.

My suggestion would be to add some pygmy chain swords (E. tenellus, IIRC) to
carpet the tank with 2" high grass. Yes, it does make the vacuuming a little
harder, but it really looks nice.

--
It's turtles, all the way down

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On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 08:22:21 -0700, "Don Freeman"
wrote:


"~Roy~" wrote in message
.. .
Ahhhhhhhhh, so if its not Miss Legale all 350+ pounds of her....

Sigh... And we were doing so well for awhile.


3 or 4 days! At least someone took the hint.

freshwater plants question
 

"cailinsdad" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 08:22:21 -0700, "Don Freeman"
wrote:


"~Roy~" wrote in message
. ..
Ahhhhhhhhh, so if its not Miss Legale all 350+ pounds of her....

Sigh... And we were doing so well for awhile.


3 or 4 days! At least someone took the hint.

Long enough for me to take Tristin out of my killfile as I could read from
others' replies to his posts that he was back to contributing information
instead of diatribes. And I had such high hopes. -Don

freshwater plants question
 

Hey Don......just make and use a kill filter on my email addy...and
don't worry about it. I'll quit when carol gulley is no longer seen in
these groups......


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freshwater plants question
 

Gill, thank you for your lengthy response. I appreciate your feedback.

freshwater plants question
 

Thank you for your feedback, Jaden.

freshwater plants question
 

Thank you for your comments Larry. I may look into a little less light.

freshwater plants question
 

"Don Freeman" wrote
Sigh... And we were doing so well for awhile.


I've never done anything to you people. Its just that someone in particular
likes to cyberstalk people like me from group to group. Obviously someone
with way too much attention on their hands, and obviously someone with no
clue about the person they are harassing. I killfiled that "Roy" (and
other names) jerk long ago, I only saw this because people replied to his
posts. Really, pick better people to reply to then that stalker.

for Gill, Jaden and Larry
 

Go to this link to see a picture of my tank:
http://www.knack.com/thank.jpg

I also have 5 white clouds in it and a pleco... however, note that the
large fancy goldfish is just temorarily in this tank as I set up a second
tank. I know he is way too big for this tank with all the other smaller
fish I have. He's a beauty though, and 5 years old now.

for Gill, Jaden and Larry
 

Tara Legale wrote:
Go to this link to see a picture of my tank:
http://www.knack.com/thank.jpg

I also have 5 white clouds in it and a pleco... however, note that the
large fancy goldfish is just temorarily in this tank as I set up a second
tank. I know he is way too big for this tank with all the other smaller
fish I have. He's a beauty though, and 5 years old now.



Tara......what a lovely fish......it is very difficult when it comes to
having a great fish who is doing well and balancing it with
space.....but there is little else in the tank......so best of
luck....maybe up your water changes a bit to weekly.....goldfish can be
quite mucky IIRC from my goldfish keeping days.....

Gill
Also chatting fish troll free at
http://groups.google.com/group/The-Freshwater-Aquarium - come and take a
look....

freshwater plants question
 

Evidently you must have lots of spare time on your hands too to be
able to attain the weight you are would take considerable time at the
dinner table or in fro t of a refridgerator..Are you still (In your
own words not mine) wider than you are tall) Sounds like your proud to
be so huge and plump......and yes the flour trick does
work........and its Mr. Roy to you!

On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 00:12:29 GMT, "Tara Legale"
wrote:

"Don Freeman" wrote
Sigh... And we were doing so well for awhile.


I've never done anything to you people. Its just that someone in particular
likes to cyberstalk people like me from group to group. Obviously someone
with way too much attention on their hands, and obviously someone with no
clue about the person they are harassing. I killfiled that "Roy" (and
other names) jerk long ago, I only saw this because people replied to his
posts. Really, pick better people to reply to then that stalker.






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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

for Gill, Jaden and Larry
 

Uh oh. Duh I forgot plecos eat plants. He is loving my spiral Vals.
Doesn't seem to bother the swords, moss ball or (of course) onion plants.
Live and learn I guess. Dang. Good thing the Vals were cheap (but
expensive meal for one little fish!)

freshwater plants question
 

"Tara Legale" wrote in message
...
"Don Freeman" wrote
Sigh... And we were doing so well for awhile.


I've never done anything to you people. Its just that someone in
particular likes to cyberstalk people like me from group to group.

Yes, his name is Roy Hauer. He also uses the nyms Roy or Tristan. He also
impersonates other posters, myself included, to post smut and xxx-rated
garbage to trash these groups. Hard as it is, try to ignore him. He will
try to say whatever he thinks will hurt you the most and do you the most
harm. He's sadistic and cruel, a true sociopath.

Obviously someone
with way too much attention on their hands, and obviously someone with no
clue about the person they are harassing. I killfiled that "Roy" (and
other names) jerk long ago, I only saw this because people replied to his
posts. Really, pick better people to reply to then that stalker.

If EVERYONE on these groups would ignore these trolls they might go away.
But they post an occasional sensible post and people reply as thought they
were a sensible normal person........ sigh,..... so the troll stays. Once
they know they're in everyone's killfile they usually look for better
trolling fields.
--
RM....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö

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"Tara Legale" wrote in message
...
Go to this link to see a picture of my tank:
http://www.knack.com/thank.jpg

=======================
Your tank is lovely. The goldfish looks like a "redcap." :-)
--
RM....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö

for Gill, Jaden and Larry
 

"Reel McKoi" wrote
Your tank is lovely. The goldfish looks like a "redcap." :-)


Yes he technically is a red cap, but without much cap. I've tried different
foods and he has never developed a big cap and he is 5 years old.

My new problem is my pleco is having a huge feest on my Val plants. I need
thoughts on any types of plants Plecos won't eat. I'm guessing the onions
are probably safe, and so far no interest in the swords. Any experience
with this? I really want to keep live plants.

for Gill, Jaden and Larry
 

"Tara Legale" wrote in message
...
"Reel McKoi" wrote
Your tank is lovely. The goldfish looks like a "redcap." :-)


Yes he technically is a red cap, but without much cap. I've tried
different foods and he has never developed a big cap and he is 5 years
old.

My new problem is my pleco is having a huge feest on my Val plants. I
need thoughts on any types of plants Plecos won't eat. I'm guessing the
onions are probably safe, and so far no interest in the swords. Any
experience with this? I really want to keep live plants.
===========================
I can't help you there as my plecos don't eat the plants, just the algae and
a pellet or two. They also rasp on the driftwood. I have the regular pleco
and the small clown pleco. What have you been feeding the pleco before you
put the plants in the tank? Is he now unwilling to eat what he ate before?
--
RM....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö

for Gill, Jaden and Larry
 

"Reel McKoi" wrote
What have you been feeding the pleco before you put the plants in the
tank? Is he now unwilling to eat what he ate before?


He was eating flakes them fell down, but mostly algae wafers. He still eats
the wafers overnight. And I do see him cleaning the glass a lot, but
that's problably when he is already full of Vals. :( If he doesn't
bother my swords and onions, I'll get more of them I guess.

for Gill, Jaden and Larry
 

"Tara Legale" wrote in message
...
"Reel McKoi" wrote
What have you been feeding the pleco before you put the plants in the
tank? Is he now unwilling to eat what he ate before?


He was eating flakes them fell down, but mostly algae wafers. He still
eats the wafers overnight. And I do see him cleaning the glass a lot,
but that's problably when he is already full of Vals. :( If he
doesn't bother my swords and onions, I'll get more of them I guess.
======================
You may want to think about trading him in for a few otos aka otocinclus
(sp?) . They stay small and eat only algae.
--
RM....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö

for Gill, Jaden and Larry
 

"Reel McKoi" wrote
You may want to think about trading him in for a few otos aka otocinclus
(sp?) . They stay small and eat only algae.


Thank you for the tip. I live in Wisconsin and I'll call Foster & Smith
tomorrow and see if they have them in their local store to buy. I have a
co-worker at work with a tank, I can probably bring the Pleco there as I'm
sure F&S won't trade it.

for Gill, Jaden and Larry
 

"Tara Legale" wrote in message
...
"Reel McKoi" wrote
You may want to think about trading him in for a few otos aka otocinclus
(sp?) . They stay small and eat only algae.


Thank you for the tip. I live in Wisconsin and I'll call Foster & Smith
tomorrow and see if they have them in their local store to buy. I have a
co-worker at work with a tank, I can probably bring the Pleco there as I'm
sure F&S won't trade it.
========================
Make sure when you replace it, if you replace it, that you get either otos
(get at least two) or a plec that stays small. My 3" clown plecs are the
same size after a year. They do need something to hide behind to feel
secure. A upright piece of shale would do. Also, wait until you have some
algae for them to feed on if you do get otos. I've never had them willing to
eat anything but algae.
--
RM....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö

for Gill, Jaden and Larry
 

Stop eating the fish food TAra and start losing weight you fat assed
bimbo Sure must suck to be named CArol Gulley or TAra
Legale.......two freaking dumbass morons........One throwoing out
erroneous info the other sucking up any info plus all the food she can
get her hands on......as wellas anyhting else she can put in her
mouth. 4'8" and #350+ pounds is quite a hefty hog to say the
least.......Long time since you seen your toes or wiped your own ass
huh? Must suck wearing tents for a dress

Must just suck to be named TAra Legale or CArol Gulley

Did CArol talk yo into getting yur ovaries cut out yet so yu can be
just like her.........she knows a cheap cut rate back alley doc that
does it cheap! Bet he could do some Lipo on your fat ass as well/






On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 02:08:37 GMT, "Tara Legale"
wrote:

"Reel McKoi" wrote
Your tank is lovely. The goldfish looks like a "redcap." :-)


Yes he technically is a red cap, but without much cap. I've tried different
foods and he has never developed a big cap and he is 5 years old.

My new problem is my pleco is having a huge feest on my Val plants. I need
thoughts on any types of plants Plecos won't eat. I'm guessing the onions
are probably safe, and so far no interest in the swords. Any experience
with this? I really want to keep live plants.





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for Gill, Jaden and Larry
 

Tara Legale wrote:

"Reel McKoi" wrote
You may want to think about trading him in for a few otos aka otocinclus
(sp?) . They stay small and eat only algae.


Thank you for the tip. I live in Wisconsin and I'll call Foster & Smith
tomorrow and see if they have them in their local store to buy. I have a
co-worker at work with a tank, I can probably bring the Pleco there as I'm
sure F&S won't trade it.


As someone else said, be sure you have some algae, although I have seen mine
feed on algae wafers. I guess it's a case of some will, some won't.

You may or may not ever see the otos. Even with 4 or more, mine tend to hide
and only come out when it's really dark. In other tanks, I've had them come
out in the daytime.

Also, be aware that otos are infamous for dying with no reason.

I got some albino cory catfish for my 40G and they stay active most of the
time. They don't eat algae, but they do keep the bottom clean of uneaten
food. And since they're white, I can find them :-).

--
It's turtles, all the way down

for Gill, Jaden and Larry
 

Larry Blanchard wrote in
:

Tara Legale wrote:

"Reel McKoi" wrote
You may want to think about trading him in for a few otos aka
otocinclus (sp?) . They stay small and eat only algae.


Thank you for the tip. I live in Wisconsin and I'll call Foster &
Smith tomorrow and see if they have them in their local store to buy.
I have a co-worker at work with a tank, I can probably bring the
Pleco there as I'm sure F&S won't trade it.


As someone else said, be sure you have some algae, although I have
seen mine feed on algae wafers. I guess it's a case of some will,
some won't.

You may or may not ever see the otos. Even with 4 or more, mine tend
to hide and only come out when it's really dark. In other tanks, I've
had them come out in the daytime.

Also, be aware that otos are infamous for dying with no reason.


I have otos in a 10 gal, and they do well on cleaning the glass. Others
I have heard prefer the flying fox as a more durable algae eater than
otos. My LFS has a source for robust otos, it seems.
In another tank with a thread algae issue, I recently tried a trio of
amano shrimp. Holy Cow! Do those guys love thread algae. They had the
tank tidied up in a week and a half. I haven't had an issue with algae
on the glass in that tank, so I'm not certian if they're helpful there or
not. So long as your tank doesn't have invert predators, and you have a
separate hospital tank for your fish (inverts don't tend to hold up well
when you medicate a tank), I'd look into them.

DaveZ

for Gill, Jaden and Larry
 

On Mar 16, 11:05�am, atomweaver wrote:
Larry Blanchard wrote :





Tara Legale wrote:

"Reel McKoi" wrote
You may want to think about trading him in for a few otos aka
otocinclus (sp?) . *They stay small and eat only algae.

Thank you for the tip. *I live in Wisconsin and I'll call Foster &
Smith tomorrow and see if they have them in their local store to buy.
* I have a co-worker at work with a tank, I can probably bring the
Pleco there as I'm sure F&S won't trade it.

As someone else said, be sure you have some algae, although I have
seen mine feed on algae wafers. *I guess it's a case of some will,
some won't.

You may or may not ever see the otos. *Even with 4 or more, mine tend
to hide and only come out when it's really dark. *In other tanks, I've
had them come out in the daytime.

Also, be aware that otos are infamous for dying with no reason.

I have otos in a 10 gal, and they do well on cleaning the glass. *Others
I have heard prefer the flying fox as a more durable algae eater than
otos. *My LFS has a source for robust otos, it seems.
* In another tank with a thread algae issue, I recently tried a trio of
amano shrimp. *Holy Cow! *Do those guys love thread algae. *They had the
tank tidied up in a week and a half. *I haven't had an issue with algae
on the glass in that tank, so I'm not certian if they're helpful there or
not. So long as your tank doesn't have invert predators, and you have a
separate hospital tank for your fish (inverts don't tend to hold up well
when you medicate a tank), I'd look into them.

DaveZ- Hide quoted text -

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I *loved* my Amano Shrimp. However, after setting up a larger tank for
my 6 yr old male Betta to have for himself, they decided to climb up
and out of this tank. The top was set up differently and the cord
fromt he heater is thicker and made a space.
One morning after waking my daughter for school we walked past the
tanks and she said OOO....somethig's ont he floor Ma, it looks like a
dead shrimp. = O Oh no! It was. So sad. All crispy. I later found
it's buddy dried inside the cabinet (I have a few Betta tanks inside
the cabinet of my 75g).
I loved those little dudes. They did such a great job on algae
control. They kept it gone, that's for sure. They kept my baby Java
fern's completely clean without ever harming them.
The only shop I could get them at has recently closed down (I just
found this out yesterday).
What a bummer it was to lose them. = /

for Gill, Jaden and Larry
 

"Tynk" wrote I have otos in a 10 gal, and they do well on
cleaning the glass. Others
I *loved* my Amano Shrimp.


Do the amano Shrimp eat plants?

for Gill, Jaden and Larry
 

Tara Legale wrote:
"Tynk" wrote I have otos in a 10 gal, and they do well on
cleaning the glass. Others
I *loved* my Amano Shrimp.


Do the amano Shrimp eat plants?



No, just algae although your goldie might say thanks for the
snack....but like the otos they are tropical.....are you sure your plec
didn't just uproot the vals and the goldie then ate them? I've never
known my plecs to eat my plants although I have seen them uproot them
from time to time.....

Gill

for Gill, Jaden and Larry
 

"Gill Passman" wrote
No, just algae although your goldie might say thanks for the snack....but
like the otos they are tropical.....are you sure your plec didn't just
uproot the vals and the goldie then ate them? I've never known my plecs to
eat my plants although I have seen them uproot them from time to time.....

My goldie has never eaten a plant. I watched the pleco go from plant to
plant and scrap the vals like corn on the cob. By the time I got home today
the vals are so transparent, like tracing paper (except the lower stems). I
took them out and they are in a vase of water in light... not sure if they
will grow like that though. Right now I just have the 2 sword plants which
are very thick, and he is on that plant working every leaf, but I don't see
any damage (yet). Plus I have the two onions. I'm waiting to see if he
ruins the swords or not. Then I can either place another plant order, or
replace the pleco. Not sure yet. The place I bought the plants from
suggested java fern because they taste bad, and more onions, and possibly
anubias (not sure the spelling) because of their thick leaves.

for Gill, Jaden and Larry
 

But I bet you sure do make up eating what your goldie does not
eat.....ya little hog!

On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 23:57:53 GMT, "Tara Legale"
wrote:

"Gill Passman" wrote
No, just algae although your goldie might say thanks for the snack....but
like the otos they are tropical.....are you sure your plec didn't just
uproot the vals and the goldie then ate them? I've never known my plecs to
eat my plants although I have seen them uproot them from time to time.....

My goldie has never eaten a plant. I watched the pleco go from plant to
plant and scrap the vals like corn on the cob. By the time I got home today
the vals are so transparent, like tracing paper (except the lower stems). I
took them out and they are in a vase of water in light... not sure if they
will grow like that though. Right now I just have the 2 sword plants which
are very thick, and he is on that plant working every leaf, but I don't see
any damage (yet). Plus I have the two onions. I'm waiting to see if he
ruins the swords or not. Then I can either place another plant order, or
replace the pleco. Not sure yet. The place I bought the plants from
suggested java fern because they taste bad, and more onions, and possibly
anubias (not sure the spelling) because of their thick leaves.




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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

freshwater plants question
 

"Tara Legale" wrote in message
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Thank you for your comments Larry. I may look into a little less light.


look into a cheap DIY yeast CO2 system.
It really is incredible how plants can grow with that bit of extra co2.
If you have never tried it, I'd say have a look.
do it cheap and if not for you, then no loss, but co2 is kinda cool if ya
have enuf light to benefit from it.

I used to buy the plant, only to dissolve them and die off my 120L tanks. Better lighting and booming Excel, combined with a better choice plants on line to buy a miracle. Algae has all but disappeared. I did a 15% changes each week, skipping one in every four weeks. Less water exchange better plants, more bad fish. This is about finding balance your installation.

Some types of floating plants to provide food in an aquarium of fish in some herbivores. These plants can also reduce the light intensity of the tank, it can be a good thing or a bad thing depends on the type of fish and plant growth as follows.