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New reef tank doing great - Nano struggling in the heat
Well I always thought that the level of T8s in the tank would be a
problem and I'm certainly being proved right.....the corals are very unhappy - the blue legged hermits, clown fish, urchins, snails do not seem to care in the slightest.... So.....I'm working on equalising the water between my new 350L tank and the nano....mainly by using the water from the big tank for water changes on the small.....in this way I am anticipating that moving the corals across will be very easy and acclimitization at a minimum..... But I don't want to tear down the little nano tank completely (15 gall) - so I am wondering if the blue leg hermits and the Clown fish will cope with the higher temps - it is pretty obvious that the corals can't.....moving the fish is certainly an option but the blue legs probably not as I have been told they would kill my red legs.... Any ideas or thoughts would be appreciated TIA Gill |
New reef tank doing great - Nano struggling in the heat
Well look it here the person responsible for all the crap in the
aquaria groups, through her hate group geared at turmoil and trolls, is asking such a bunch as this whom she behind the scenes used to ridicule for them being assinine dumbasses, but now she needs their ****nig help. How quaint! Maybe folks need to re read the hate group and a few of your emails about Wayne and Pszemol and Kurt in this group! Remember too folks, that she slipped in there and started to delete her posts trying to cover up her ways.....but there is still more than enough reading to make yu leary of dealing with this person. Just key in n the quoted texts or replies, her statements are still there, even though her original statment was deleted by her......To bad she did not think enough of her friend to give them any warning or time to do what she did.........Hate mongors and grup agitaotrs is what they were in a hidden behind the scenes events. All because she did not like Carol Gulley aka Reel Mckoi and her upper hand on the aquaria groups was slipping daily......NOw its all but gone! hahahahahaaha http://groups.google.co.uk/group/rec...hgroups/topics On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 23:39:08 +0100, Gill Passman wrote: Well I always thought that the level of T8s in the tank would be a problem and I'm certainly being proved right.....the corals are very unhappy - the blue legged hermits, clown fish, urchins, snails do not seem to care in the slightest.... So.....I'm working on equalising the water between my new 350L tank and the nano....mainly by using the water from the big tank for water changes on the small.....in this way I am anticipating that moving the corals across will be very easy and acclimitization at a minimum..... But I don't want to tear down the little nano tank completely (15 gall) - so I am wondering if the blue leg hermits and the Clown fish will cope with the higher temps - it is pretty obvious that the corals can't.....moving the fish is certainly an option but the blue legs probably not as I have been told they would kill my red legs.... Any ideas or thoughts would be appreciated TIA Gill ------- I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know! |
New reef tank doing great - Nano struggling in the heat
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New reef tank doing great - Nano struggling in the heat
Gill Passman wrote:
Yes, I thought about doing that but I also have a big tank in an air conditioned room that I can put the corals into........my question would be how temperture tolerant would the clown fish be if I don't move them - it is still an option as the new tank only has 6 green chromis at the moment..... What kind of temps? The problem is that oxygen saturation levels drop as temps go up. I've been touching 83 in my display tank lately, and have lowered my AC a degree to counter it. --Kurt |
New reef tank doing great - Nano struggling in the heat
KurtG wrote:
What kind of temps? The problem is that oxygen saturation levels drop as temps go up. I've been touching 83 in my display tank lately, and have lowered my AC a degree to counter it. --Kurt The ambient temperature is 72F at the moment (quite low for the time of year). The Nano is up to 88F. The new tank is 80F before I switched on the AC. There is no AC in the room where the nano is. My thinking is that if I move the corals out into the big tank then I can keep the nano as a FOWLR and reduce the lighting accordingly. The fish do not appear to be showing any signs of distress - just the corals. Gill |
New reef tank doing great - Nano struggling in the heat
Gill Passman wrote:
The Nano is up to 88F. That's too hot. I think 85-86 would be the extreme upper end. They can handle 90, but any short power failure would suffocate them. Can you position the nano close to the big tank and have them use the same sump? There are also reasonable chillers for nanos: http://www.marinedepot.com/ps/ps_Vie...ct~CW1111.html --Kurt |
New reef tank doing great - Nano struggling in the heat
KurtG wrote:
Gill Passman wrote: The Nano is up to 88F. That's too hot. I think 85-86 would be the extreme upper end. They can handle 90, but any short power failure would suffocate them. Can you position the nano close to the big tank and have them use the same sump? There are also reasonable chillers for nanos: http://www.marinedepot.com/ps/ps_Vie...ct~CW1111.html --Kurt Managed to get it down to 86F by turning off one of the lights and leaving part of the top open. I'm not happy with the level of lighting for the corals (2 T8 tubes giving just 30Watts - tank is 15 gall) so I think I'm going to start moving the corals. Unfortunately I can't move the nano. Stock is some mushroom rock, button polyps (v. unhappy), some star polyps, a capnella and a frilly mushroom colony. One of my urchins appears to have gone awol but could be round the back of the rock. Took a look at the chiller - looks good but sadly hasn't made it across here yet. I will certainly look around to see if I can find anything similar for future use. Thanks Gill |
New reef tank doing great - Nano struggling in the heat
powered by a separate 12 volt D.C. power supply and draws less than 50 watts. That should be easy enough to work out. Most power supplies I buy these days will take either 120/220. If you want a controller, it looks like you need this: http://www.marinedepot.com/md_viewIt...product=CW1113 Contact me off list and I'll ship if across the pond for you. Given how low the dollar has gotten, it should cost you about a quid. --Kurt Gill Passman wrote: KurtG wrote: Gill Passman wrote: The Nano is up to 88F. That's too hot. I think 85-86 would be the extreme upper end. They can handle 90, but any short power failure would suffocate them. Can you position the nano close to the big tank and have them use the same sump? There are also reasonable chillers for nanos: http://www.marinedepot.com/ps/ps_Vie...ct~CW1111.html --Kurt Managed to get it down to 86F by turning off one of the lights and leaving part of the top open. I'm not happy with the level of lighting for the corals (2 T8 tubes giving just 30Watts - tank is 15 gall) so I think I'm going to start moving the corals. Unfortunately I can't move the nano. Stock is some mushroom rock, button polyps (v. unhappy), some star polyps, a capnella and a frilly mushroom colony. One of my urchins appears to have gone awol but could be round the back of the rock. Took a look at the chiller - looks good but sadly hasn't made it across here yet. I will certainly look around to see if I can find anything similar for future use. Thanks Gill |
New reef tank doing great - Nano struggling in the heat
KurtG wrote:
powered by a separate 12 volt D.C. power supply and draws less than 50 watts. That should be easy enough to work out. Most power supplies I buy these days will take either 120/220. If you want a controller, it looks like you need this: http://www.marinedepot.com/md_viewIt...product=CW1113 Contact me off list and I'll ship if across the pond for you. Given how low the dollar has gotten, it should cost you about a quid. --Kurt Thanks for the offer....generally ordering from the US isn't a problem for kit apart from the power issue but hubby is sharp on that sort of thing. I'll see what is available locally first though. Temp is now down to 84F. I've moved the capnella and one of the star polyp colonies over to the other tank. The capnella is looking a bit better but still bent in the middle but I'm sure it will recover. The stars aren't out yet so I'll give them a bit more time. I couldn't get the other star colony out of the tank as the female clownfish decided it needed to be protected and kept biting me whenever I went near it. The mushrooms and xenia seem fine for now. I've located the other urchin and it seems OK. I'll stick to just the two tubes again tomorrow and see how things go. Gill |
New reef tank doing great - Nano struggling in the heat
A friend of mine who needed a chiller, he used a mini refrigerator. He
drilled 2 holes in the side of the refrigerator, He used filter tubing, rapping it around the freezer coil several times before the water returned to his tank. If he needed the water colder, he would add more tubing around the freezer coil. It was a hit or miss process until he got the proper length for what he needed. What I can not remember is if the tubing, on one end was hooked to his filtration system or if he used some sort of power head to move the water. |
New reef tank doing great - Nano struggling in the heat
Gill Passman wrote:
I couldn't get the other star colony out of the tank as the female clownfish decided it needed to be protected and kept biting me whenever I went near it. I have a mated pair of tomato clowns now. I'm surprised by the size of the female. I bet she'll bite as well. I'll need to be a little more careful around them. --Kurt |
New reef tank doing great - Nano struggling in the heat
On Jun 12, 4:40 am, KurtG wrote:
I've been touching 83 in my display tank lately, and have lowered my AC a degree to counter it. --Kurt What ambient temp do most of y'all keep your room(s)? I am on my first reef and haven't started stocking yet. I keep my house at about 78 during the day and 75 at night. With halide lights, is this too warm of an ambient room temp? Thanks, Dave in Simi |
New reef tank doing great - Nano struggling in the heat
I have a fan on my reef tank to cool it. The ambient
room temp, depends on a lot of factors, but I have a personal rule, that the aquarium temp is ok untill it hits 86. If it hits 86, then the lights go out. If the air conditioner is on, then the air temp is kept at about 80. Wayne Sallee Wayne's Pets Dave wrote on 6/13/2007 11:32 AM: On Jun 12, 4:40 am, KurtG wrote: I've been touching 83 in my display tank lately, and have lowered my AC a degree to counter it. --Kurt What ambient temp do most of y'all keep your room(s)? I am on my first reef and haven't started stocking yet. I keep my house at about 78 during the day and 75 at night. With halide lights, is this too warm of an ambient room temp? Thanks, Dave in Simi |
New reef tank doing great - Nano struggling in the heat
KurtG wrote:
I have a mated pair of tomato clowns now. I'm surprised by the size of the female. I bet she'll bite as well. I'll need to be a little more careful around them. --Kurt My female only tends to bite if I put my hand in one side of the tank. She doesn't care about anywhere else. This appears to be their chosen spawning spot - I've found the odd egg in the substrate but no serious activity. I've only had them since November and they were young when I got them. The funny thing is that when "in the mood" both male and female will attack their reflections in the glass - worried me the first time I saw it but it happens so often now I'm not bothered about it anymore. Pezemol recommended a brilliant book about Clownfish (thanks) - by Joyce D. Wilkerson - makes a good read even though I'm not quite ready to attempt to raise fry Gill PS When she does nip it hurts so definitely not recommended |
New reef tank doing great - Nano struggling in the heat
On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:30:13 +0100, Gill Passman
wrote: KurtG wrote: I have a pair of gonads unlike Wayne. I'm surprised by the size of the things. I bet they can swellup if fondledl. I'll need to be a little more careful around them. --Kurt My female only tends to bite if I put myfingers in the wrong hole. She doesn't care about anywhere else. This appears to be her chosen spawning spot - I've found the odd egg in her coozie but no serious activity. I've only had sex with her since November and she was young when I go really horny. The funny thing is that when "in the mood" both male and female will finger their selves - worried me the first time I saw it but it happens so often now I'm not bothered about it anymore. Pezemol recommended a brilliant book about Diaper Wearing and Period Sex (thanks) - by Bloody Mary D. Wilkerson - makes a good read even though I'm not quite ready to attempt to eat the carpet during that timey Gill PS When she does bite my nip it hurts so definitely not recommended.....and no chewing on the clitty either! Bloody well hurts it does! ------- I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know! |
New reef tank doing great - Nano struggling in the heat
Wayne Sallee wrote:
I have a fan on my reef tank to cool it. The ambient room temp, depends on a lot of factors, but I have a personal rule, that the aquarium temp is ok untill it hits 86. If it hits 86, then the lights go out. If the air conditioner is on, then the air temp is kept at about 80. Wayne Sallee Wayne's Pets My personal rule is that if the rooms where my tanks are get too hot for me then they are too hot for the tanks. Before we got the aircon I used to have to run airpumps and vent the tanks by leaving the tops open and turning off the lights (these were the freshwater ones). Observation is also important. If the fish/inverts, and as I've just learnt corals, start showing signs of distress and there is no other factor in water quality then it could be heat. This is my first summer with the reef tanks so very much a learning curve. But from FW experience clear signs of oxygen depletion are the fish at the surface and heavy gilling and I can't think it would be any different with the marine. BTW cutting the lighting and venting the tank by leaving the lid about 1" ajar has meant that the Nano only hit 82F max today and the ambient temperature was higher than yesterday. Gill |
New reef tank doing great - Nano struggling in the heat
Gill Passman wrote:
Pezemol recommended a brilliant book about Clownfish (thanks) - by Joyce D. Wilkerson Strange. It's the second time in a 24 hrs that somebody recommended that book. I have it on my wish list now. I'm going to attempt it when I get a chance. My clowns have snuggled into their 100 gallon tank and seem happy. They slept on their anemone last night and they are roaming the tank this morning. I'll need to work on some food for them. So far, they have only eaten flake. --Kurt |
New reef tank doing great - Nano struggling in the heat
Dave wrote:
What ambient temp do most of y'all keep your room(s)? Because I use fans to cool the tank it depends on both ambient room temp and humidity. With humidity in the 50's (%-wise) then the room temp is around 77 degrees. I usually keep my house at 78 during the summer, but I don't want the temp to climb much over 83 degrees. I'm also away from home a lot, so the systems need to be automated. I just invested in a 3400 watt standby generator which will keep the pumps going for 24+ hrs (among other things). --Kurt |
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