ShittyFLL's chronic alcoholism is usenets newest knee-slapper. Have another drink, ShittyFLL..LOL
 

On Jun 27, 6:37?pm, bobandcarole wrote:
On Jun 27, 5:51 pm, wrote this humorous response
in regards to faggot ****tyLLL's lack of self control.:



No, it's clear from the above exchange that you are laughing at
hilarious farts. Funny stuff, Blobby! Especially to second-graders

As funny as your alcoholism??

No

LOL ?Nothing is as funny as poor pathetic ****head, ****tyFLL's
lack of self control. Even usenet tard parsifal admits it.

****tyFLL is a proven liar and will
netKKKop you if he/she can. Of course he can't netKKKop moi,
because I am anonymized to perfection. My pet monkey lc,
recently named "Little ****" thinks I live in Vancouver. Impotent
psycho stalker sniper 308 thinks I live in Virginia. Pathetic
colon choker jaye elke thinks I live in Indiana. Which one of the
Three Spooges do you think is right? Moe, Larry, Curley or
none of the above?

We all remember when a very confident ****tyFLL posted this gem.

"I think we'll be seeing less of bobandcarole around these here
parts...at least while I'm around"--faggot ScottyFLL

And then he/it tried to lie and say he/it didn't post it after it was
seen by everyone.

I think we've seen less of faggot ****tyFLL but not me. :-)
Just as I knew it would be, of course. He was doomed to
failure from day one. And I'll be here.."as long as scotty is
around" :-)

We can't help but mention the fact that ****tyFLL is a chronic
alcoholic as evidenced by his posts in alt.recovery.aa. He
has no self discipline or control. One has to wonder if his
babbling tirades regarding me are fueled by 100 proof. :-)


We've established the fact that scotty WILL lie...about what he
posts,
about his deviant habits and lifestyle. And he/it will lie about
other
purveyors of truth like myself. Also we've established the fact that
he is a ****head, which could explain his incoherent babbling and
his willingness to believe posts with forged headers are authentic.

He's a liar AND a netKKKop. You can't get much lower than that.

Oh, did I mention he is a flaming homo that ingests sperm and
he has many disgusting homo/freak fetishes?

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.f...84d3c7919c791?


From the gloryhole that ****tyFLL mans regularly:

Squirt! Squirt! ROTF!!!!!!

Blobby finds alcoholism to be hilarious! Tells us something about Blobby, doesn't it?
 

On Jun 28, 11:57 am, bob&carole wrote:

We can't help but mention the fact that ****tyFLL is a chronic
alcoholic as evidenced by his posts in alt.recovery.aa. He
has no self discipline or control. One has to wonder if his
babbling tirades regarding me are fueled by 100 proof. :-)

Blobby, I don't drink. But it is all-telling that you think that
alcoholism is funny. It's as funny as terminal cancer! LOL!

ShittyFLL's chronic alcoholism is usenets newest knee-slapper. Have another drink, ShittyFLL..LOL
 

On Jun 28, 1:59?pm, ScottyFLL wrote:
On Jun 28, 11:57 am, bob&carole wrote:

We can't help but mention the fact that ****tyFLL is a chronic
alcoholic as evidenced by his posts in alt.recovery.aa. He
has no self discipline or control. One has to wonder if his
babbling tirades regarding me are fueled by 100 proof. :-)

Blobby, I don't drink.

LOL Is that why you post in alt.recovery.aa?


?But it is all-telling that you think that
alcoholism is funny.

YOUR alcoholism is a hoot!!!!! LOLOLOL

ShittyFLL's chronic alcoholism is usenets newest knee-slapper. Have another drink, ShittyFLL..LOL
 

On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 11:04:00 -0700, bobandcarole
wrote:

Blobby, I don't drink.

LOL Is that why you post in alt.recovery.aa?


Same reason Blobby posts in alt.support.boy-lovers, and
alt.support.chicken-****ing

ShittyFLL's chronic alcoholism is usenets newest knee-slapper. Have another drink, ShittyFLL..LOL
 

On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 11:04:00 -0700, bobandcarole
wrote:


YOUR alcoholism is a hoot!!!!! LOLOLOL

LOLOLOL = Loud Obese Loser Obnoxiously Laughing Out Loud

ShittyFLL's chronic alcoholism is usenets newest knee-slapper. Have another drink, ShittyFLL..LOL
 

On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:19:40 GMT, Sniper .308 wrote:

On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 11:04:00 -0700, bobandcarole
wrote:


YOUR alcoholism is a hoot!!!!! LOLOLOL

LOLOLOL = Loud Obese Loser Obnoxiously Laughing Out Loud
Hi y'all....welcome to ther reef forum...if it was not for the
gracious heart of Gill Passman and her buddy Wayne Sallee you all
woudl not have gotten the invite to participate in this group. We
talk about it all, from your grandmothers sagging titties to your
bosses big Buick and Uncle Joes limp dick!

ShittyFLL's chronic alcoholism is usenets newest knee-slapper.Have another drink, ShittyFLL..LOL
 

Sniper .308 wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 11:04:00 -0700, bobandcarole
wrote:


YOUR alcoholism is a hoot!!!!! LOLOLOL

LOLOLOL = Loud Obese Loser Obnoxiously Laughing Out Loud

ROFL!!!

ShittyFLL's chronic alcoholism is usenets newest knee-slapper. Have another drink, ShittyFLL..LOL
 

On Jun 28, 2:42?pm, Sniper .308 wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 11:04:00 -0700, bobandcarole

wrote:
Blobby, I don't drink.

LOL Is that why you post in alt.recovery.aa?

Same reason Blobby posts in alt.support.boy-lovers, and
alt.support.chicken-****ing

No, ****tard..read his aa posts, ie: "What makes a good
sponsor" combine that with the fact that he doesn't deny
being an alcoholic and presto...a faggot lush. He claims
he doesn't drink, not that he isn't a ****head.

Besides coming from a psycho **** like you that makes
idle threats and has zero credibility. We're still waiting for
you to prove you have my personal info and are coming to
visit. I guess it will be a LONG wait huh? The clock is
ticking.....

"You will find that out this summer when I arrive on your door step
Blob, People at AOL are quite helpful" --Sniper. 308, Jerry Lewis
poster boy in training goes postal and demonstrates his utter
frustration, psychotic tendencies and his predisposition to lie..

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.p...2f9f189?&hl=en

ShittyFLL's chronic alcoholism is usenets newest knee-slapper. Have another drink, ShittyFLL..LOL
 

On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:48:35 -0700, bobandcarole
wrote:


Besides coming from a psycho **** like you that makes
idle threats and has zero credibility.

LOOK WHO IS TALKING

ShittyFLL's chronic alcoholism is usenets newest knee-slapper. Have another drink, ShittyFLL..LOL
 

On Jun 29, 2:36?am, Sniper .308 wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:48:35 -0700, bobandcarole

wrote:
Besides coming from a psycho **** like you that makes
idle threats and has zero credibility.

LOOK WHO IS TALKING

We are!!!

"You will find that out this summer when I arrive on your door step
Blob, People at AOL are quite helpful" --Sniper. 308, Jerry Lewis
poster boy in training goes postal and demonstrates his utter
flustration and psychotic tendencies.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.p...2f9f189?&hl=en

ShittyFLL's chronic alcoholism is usenets newest knee-slapper. Have another drink, ShittyFLL..LOL
 

On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:38:38 -0700, bobandcarole
wrote:



LOOK WHO IS TALKING

We are!!!


WHO IS "WE" YOU ****ING ASS CLOWN, You imaginary friends don't count

ShittyFLL's chronic alcoholism is usenets newest knee-slapper. Have another drink, ShittyFLL..LOL
 

On Jun 29, 2:40?am, Sniper .308 wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:38:38 -0700, bobandcarole

wrote:

LOOK WHO IS TALKING

We are!!!

WHO IS "WE" YOU ****ING ASS CLOWN, You imaginary friends don't count

Lie for us again....

"You will find that out this summer when I arrive on your door step
Blob, People at AOL are quite helpful" --Sniper. 308, Jerry Lewis
poster boy in training goes postal and demonstrates his utter
flustration and psychotic tendencies.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.p...2f9f189?&hl=en

ShittyFLL's chronic alcoholism is usenets newest knee-slapper. Have another drink, ShittyFLL..LOL
 

On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:42:07 -0700, bobandcarole
wrote:

On Jun 29, 2:40?am, Sniper .308 wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:38:38 -0700, bobandcarole

wrote:

LOOK WHO IS TALKING

We are!!!

WHO IS "WE" YOU ****ING ASS CLOWN, You imaginary friends don't count


Got no answer you gutless ****ing pussy?


Lie for us again....

"You will find that out this summer when I arrive on your door step
Blob, People at AOL are quite helpful" --Sniper.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.p...2f9f189?&hl=en

ShittyFLL's chronic alcoholism is usenets newest knee-slapper. Have another drink, ShittyFLL..LOL
 

On Jun 29, 2:43?am, Sniper .308 wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:42:07 -0700, bobandcarole

wrote:
On Jun 29, 2:40?am, Sniper .308 wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:38:38 -0700, bobandcarole

wrote:

LOOK WHO IS TALKING

We are!!!

WHO IS "WE" YOU ****ING ASS CLOWN, You imaginary friends don't count

Got no answer you gutless ****ing pussy?

Come on..tell us another lie...

You will find that out this summer when I arrive on your door step
Blob, People at AOL are quite helpful" --Sniper. 308, Jerry Lewis
poster boy in training goes postal and demonstrates his utter
flustration and psychotic tendencies.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.p...2f9f189?&hl=en





Lie for us again....

"You will find that out this summer when I arrive on your door step
Blob, People at AOL are quite helpful" --Sniper.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.p...sg/52e8dc4...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

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On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:44:42 -0700, bobandcarole
wrote:



WHO IS "WE" YOU ****ING ASS CLOWN?, Your imaginary friends don't
count

Got no answer you gutless ****ing pussy?

ShittyFLL's chronic alcoholism is usenets newest knee-slapper. Have another drink, ShittyFLL..LOL
 

On Jun 29, 2:46?am, Sniper .308 wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:44:42 -0700, bobandcarole

wrote:

WHO IS "WE" YOU ****ING ASS CLOWN?, Your imaginary friends don't
count

Got no answer you gutless ****ing pussy?

Ahhh come on, you've already made a fool out
of yourself. Do it again!! Lie for us!

You will find that out this summer when I arrive on your door step
Blob, People at AOL are quite helpful" --Sniper. 308, Jerry Lewis
poster boy in training goes postal and demonstrates his utter
flustration and psychotic tendencies.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.p...2f9f189?&hl=en

ShittyFLL's chronic alcoholism is usenets newest knee-slapper. Have another drink, ShittyFLL..LOL
 

On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:48:08 -0700, bobandcarole
wrote:


Ahhh come on, you've already made a fool out
of yourself. Do it again!! Lie for us!

Still got no answer you gutless ****ing pussy?


You will find that out this summer when I arrive on your door step
Blob, People at AOL are quite helpful" --Sniper. 308
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.p...2f9f189?&hl=en

ShittyFLL's chronic alcoholism is usenets newest knee-slapper. Have another drink, ShittyFLL..LOL
 

On Jun 29, 3:14?am, Sniper .308 wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:48:08 -0700, bobandcarole

wrote:
Ahhh come on, you've already made a fool out
of yourself. Do it again!! Lie for us!

Still got no answer you gutless ****ing pussy?

The answer is YOU are a liar...pure and simple


You will find that out this summer when I arrive on your door step
Blob, People at AOL are quite helpful" --Sniper. 308, Jerry Lewis
poster boy in training goes postal and demonstrates his utter
flustration and psychotic tendencies.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.p...ty/msg/52e8dc4...

ShittyFLL's chronic alcoholism is usenets newest knee-slapper. Have another drink, ShittyFLL..LOL
 

On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 00:24:03 -0700, bobandcarole
wrote:


Still got no answer you gutless ****ing pussy?

The answer is YOU are a liar...pure and simple

Coming from a pathologically lying bag of **** like you, that is just
too funny.


You will find that out this summer when I arrive on your door step
Blob, People at AOL are quite helpful" --Sniper. 308
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.p...ty/msg/52e8dc4...

ShittyFLL's chronic alcoholism is usenets newest knee-slapper. Have another drink, ShittyFLL..LOL
 

On Jun 29, 3:25?am, Sniper .308 wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 00:24:03 -0700, bobandcarole

wrote:
Still got no answer you gutless ****ing pussy?

The answer is YOU are a liar...pure and simple

Coming from a pathologically lying bag of **** like you, that is just
too funny.

The funny part is YOU posted this like it's true:


"You will find that out this summer when I arrive on your door step
Blob, People at AOL are quite helpful" --Sniper. 308, Jerry Lewis
poster boy in training goes postal and demonstrates his utter
flustration and psychotic tendencies.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.p...2f9f189?&hl=en


How humiliating!

ShittyFLL's chronic alcoholism is usenets newest knee-slapper. Have another drink, ShittyFLL..LOL
 

On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 00:29:52 -0700, bobandcarole
wrote:


The funny part is YOU posted this like it's true:

The HYSTERICAL part is how you post it over and over PROVING you are
IMPOTENT ****ING IDIOT



"You will find that out this summer when I arrive on your door step
Blob, People at AOL are quite helpful" --Sniper. 308
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.p...2f9f189?&hl=en


How humiliating!

FOR YOU

ShittyFLL's chronic alcoholism is usenets newest knee-slapper. Have another drink, ShittyFLL..LOL
 

On Jun 29, 3:34?am, Sniper .308 wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 00:29:52 -0700, bobandcarole

wrote:
The funny part is YOU posted this like it's true:

The HYSTERICAL part is how you post it over and over PROVING you are
IMPOTENT ****ING IDIOT



"You will find that out this summer when I arrive on your door step
Blob, People at AOL are quite helpful" --Sniper. 308
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.p...ty/msg/52e8dc4...

How humiliating!

FOR YOU

LOL I'm the one that's laughing the hardest! You're a lying k00k,
nothing more.



"You will find that out this summer when I arrive on your door step
Blob, People at AOL are quite helpful" --Sniper. 308, Jerry Lewis
poster boy in training goes postal and demonstrates his utter
flustration and psychotic tendencies.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.p...2f9f189?&hl=en

ShittyFLL's chronic alcoholism is usenets newest knee-slapper. Have another drink, ShittyFLL..LOL
 

On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 00:41:33 -0700, bobandcarole
wrote:


How humiliating!

FOR YOU

LOL I'm the one that's laughing the hardest! You're a lying k00k,
nothing more.

Funny how ALMOST ALL of the usenet refer to you correctly as a lying
k00k and laugh hysterically at you daily


"You will find that out this summer when I arrive on your door step
Blob, People at AOL are quite helpful" --Sniper. 308
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.p...2f9f189?&hl=en

ShittyFLL's chronic alcoholism is usenets newest knee-slapper. Have another drink, ShittyFLL..LOL
 

On Jun 29, 3:45?am, Sniper .308 wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 00:41:33 -0700, bobandcarole

wrote:
How humiliating!

FOR YOU

LOL I'm the one that's laughing the hardest! You're a lying k00k,
nothing more.

Funny how ALMOST ALL of the usenet refer to you correctly as a lying
k00k and laugh hysterically at you daily

Where's your cites?


"You will find that out this summer when I arrive on your door step
Blob, People at AOL are quite helpful" --Sniper. 308, Jerry Lewis
poster boy in training goes postal and demonstrates his utter
flustration and psychotic tendencies.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.p...2f9f189?&hl=en







"You will find that out this summer when I arrive on your door step
Blob, People at AOL are quite helpful" --Sniper. 308
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.p...sg/52e8dc4...- Hide quoted text -

ShittyFLL's chronic alcoholism is usenets newest knee-slapper. Have another drink, ShittyFLL..LOL
 

On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 00:49:46 -0700, bobandcarole
wrote:


Funny how ALMOST ALL of the usenet refer to you correctly as a lying
k00k and laugh hysterically at you daily

Where's your cites?


There are DOZENS of them posted DAILY

ShittyFLL's chronic alcoholism is usenets newest knee-slapper. Have another drink, ShittyFLL..LOL
 

On Jun 29, 10:24?am, Sniper .308 wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 00:49:46 -0700, bobandcarole

wrote:
Funny how ALMOST ALL of the usenet refer to you correctly as a lying
k00k and laugh hysterically at you daily

Where's your cites?

There are DOZENS of them posted DAILY

Sidestep is noted. Liar

ShittyFLL's chronic alcoholism is usenets newest knee-slapper. Have another drink, ShittyFLL..LOL
 

On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 07:38:22 -0700, bobandcarole
wrote:


There are DOZENS of them posted DAILY

Sidestep is noted. Liar

WHAT side step?, it is a fact you lying ****ing retard

ShittyFLL's chronic alcoholism is usenets newest knee-slapper. Have another drink, ShittyFLL..LOL
 

On Jun 29, 10:38 am, bobandcarole wrote:
On Jun 29, 10:24?am, Sniper .308 wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 00:49:46 -0700, bobandcarole

wrote:
Funny how ALMOST ALL of the usenet refer to you correctly as a lying
k00k and laugh hysterically at you daily

Where's your cites?

There are DOZENS of them posted DAILY

Sidestep is noted. Liar

Your continuing insistence to ask for cites, have them provided, and
then ask for cites again, makes your entire "argument" fallacious.

Examples have been provided showing that you engage in bisexual
****fests with your wife, and that you are enormously fat.

We need not continue to post these truths just because you want to
deny their existence.

ShittyFLL's chronic alcoholism is usenets newest knee-slapper. Have another drink, ShittyFLL..LOL
 

On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 09:20:21 -0700, ScottyFLL
wrote:


Your continuing insistence to ask for cites, have them provided, and
then ask for cites again, makes your entire "argument" fallacious.

No different than his constant cut & paste two step, just proves he is
incapable of coming up with any sort of intelligent response.

ShittyFLL's chronic alcoholism is usenets newest knee-slapper. Have another drink, ShittyFLL..LOL
 

On Jun 29, 12:20?pm, ScottyFLL wrote:
On Jun 29, 10:38 am, bobandcarole wrote:

On Jun 29, 10:24?am, Sniper .308 wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 00:49:46 -0700, bobandcarole

wrote:
Funny how ALMOST ALL of the usenet refer to you correctly as a lying
k00k and laugh hysterically at you daily

Where's your cites?

There are DOZENS of them posted DAILY

Sidestep is noted. Liar

Your continuing insistence to ask for cites, have them provided, and
then ask for cites again, makes your entire "argument" fallacious.

faggot ****ty bought a dictionary..:_)

Examples have been provided showing that you engage in bisexual
****fests with your wife, and that you are enormously fat.

Nothing but your questionable "screenshots"

We need not continue to post these truths just because you want to
deny their existence.

He's a liar like I've never seen.

Loser Blob's unwavering stupidity is usenets funniest knee-slapper.Make a fool of yourself again, Blobby..LOL
 

bobandcarole wrote:
On Jun 29, 12:20?pm, ScottyFLL wrote:
On Jun 29, 10:38 am, bobandcarole wrote:

On Jun 29, 10:24?am, Sniper .308 wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 00:49:46 -0700, bobandcarole
wrote:
Funny how ALMOST ALL of the usenet refer to you correctly as a lying
k00k and laugh hysterically at you daily
Where's your cites?
There are DOZENS of them posted DAILY
Sidestep is noted. Liar
Your continuing insistence to ask for cites, have them provided, and
then ask for cites again, makes your entire "argument" fallacious.

faggot ****ty bought a dictionary..:_)
Examples have been provided showing that you engage in bisexual
****fests with your wife, and that you are enormously fat.

Nothing but your questionable "screenshots"
We need not continue to post these truths just because you want to
deny their existence.

He's a liar like I've never seen.



You're a worthless lying piece of garbage, loser Blob.

ShittyFLL's chronic alcoholism is usenets newest knee-slapper.Have another drink, ShittyFLL..LOL
 

bobandcarole wrote:
On Jun 29, 10:24?am, Sniper .308 wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 00:49:46 -0700, bobandcarole

wrote:
Funny how ALMOST ALL of the usenet refer to you correctly as a lying
k00k and laugh hysterically at you daily
Where's your cites?
There are DOZENS of them posted DAILY

Sidestep is noted. Liar


You are a lying kook, Blob. You know it and so does everyone else.

Design for a Conscious Mechanoid
 

On Jun 30, 4:26 am, James Norris wrote:
On Jun 30, 3:25?am, someone2 wrote:
On Jun 30, 1:55 am, James Norris wrote:

Design for a Conscious Mechanoid

[Just to deter the predictable 'define what you mean by conscious'
posting: 'Conscious' means 'aware of reality' - a human being is
conscious, but a piece of paper is not conscious. If there is still a
problem with understanding the word 'conscious', try using a
dictionary.]

Start off with millions of identical ordinary (non-conscious) robots.
Each robot is pre-programmed to collect things from the environment at
random (twigs, elastic bands, teadcups, wheels, orange peel etc), and
incorporate them into itself, gradually replacing all its original
component parts as it does so. Now let the robots free to interact
with the environment, and watch what happens.

Most of the robots would cease to function quite rapidly, of course.
They might replace one of their vital components (the computer
program, for example), with a piece of orange peel and immediately
stop working permanently. Some might continue to function for quite a
while, making meaningless minor alterations to their original
structure, without affecting their basic operation as a programmed
mechanical device, which we knew to be non-conscious. We can ignore
robots which have replaced themselves with biological material which
was already conscious, because that is obviously not what we are
interested in.

The robots we are interested in are those which manage to replace all
their constituent components, including their original computer
hardware and software, but are still functioning. They, like
ourselves, have been created out of material from the environment, so
they might be conscious, as we are.

A certain amount of complexity is required for consciousness, and this
could be provided, for example, by using the twigs to twang the
elastic bands - the vibrational properties of the elastic bands could
easily carry any complexity necessary for the occurrence of thought.
For that to happen by chance is extremely unlikely of course, as is
the likelihood of millions of monkeys randomly operating typewriters
producing the occasional Shakespeare sonnet by chance, but if you left
them long enough, they would eventually do it!

Consciousness is a subjective experience, so there is no way of
determining whether or not anything or anybody is conscious. In the
design above, the construction allows the possibility that
consciousness might occur in a device which was originally non-
conscious. The random self-modifying behaviour may have led to a
wheeled mechanism made out of orange peel, teacups and elastic bands
held together with bits of wood, with its understanding of reality
contained in the vibrational processes occurring in the twig-twanged
elastic bands, which wanders around in the natural environment
apparently decorating itself with the bits of garbage it picks up.
Perhaps the device has improved on its original design and is now
conscious? At any rate, it certainly wouldn't be less conscious than
it was to begin with.

James Norris

I read your thread. Was it a satirical portrayal of atheist
"reasoning"?

No, it was a design for a conscious entity, neither biological nor
computer-based.

I especially liked the bit:

"A certain amount of complexity is required for consciousness, and
this could be provided, for example, by using the twigs to twang the
elastic bands - the vibrational properties of the elastic bands could
easily carry any complexity necessary for the occurrence of thought."

You could imagine atheists setting themselves up as authorities on
which tunes played on a guitar gave rise to consciousness, and whether
one string, or all the strings, or the whole guitar had the
experiences. They could debate on to what extent they could
anthropomorphise the conscious experience a certain song gave.

The notion of vibrations carrying information was an example of how
the necessary complexity for 'thoughts' might arise in the mechanism.
I understand from your earlier postings that you believe that human
beings have a non-physical 'soul', so I'm not sure why you think my
suggestion is so laughable.

Though the part where you said, "consciousness is a subjective
experience, so there is no way of determining whether or not anything
or anybody is conscious", did illustrate that from an atheist
perspective there would be no experimental difference expected whether
something was or wasn't consciously experiencing, which is something a
few of them here are having problems coming to terms with.

I don't know why you pick on atheists in particular as having a
problem with the unverifiability of subjective experiences, but
anyway, perhaps many of us do - I personally don't.

Still, very amusing, assuming of course you weren't being serious, and
an absolute nutter.

An absolute nutter in your opinion might be someone who believed that
they had four souls, rather than just the one, I suppose.

The Design for a Conscious Mechanoid is quite serious - a hypothetical
example of how a constructed 'mechanical' (ie non-biological) being
might be conscious. I'm not suggesting that it would ever work in
reality, any more than that a million monkeys typing on a million
typewriters for a million years to produce the works of Shakespeare
would ever work in reality. The example draws attention to the
salient aspects of an interesting question. I'm glad you found it
amusing though. I always try to make my postings interesting and
memorable, and humour is a well-known didactic tool.

The problem with no experimental difference expected whether something
was or wasn't consciously experiencing, is that it means whether it
was or wasn't, couldn't be thought to influence behaviour. If that was
the case, it would have to be a coincidence that our behaviour
expressed the conscious experiences we actually have (it couldn't have
been influenced by their existance).

You are trying to discuss consciousness using behavioural concepts.
The behavioural understanding of the psyche has little to say about
consciousness - the brain reacts to external stimuli and produces
behaviour in the organism, which is studied to give an understanding
of the workings of the brain. Cognitive models of consciousness,
which you should look into as they might help you express your
argument, are inside-out compared to the behavioural viewpoint. The
'mind' (which is believed to exist because of processes occurring in
the brain) is considered as an Ego, with Superego, Id and various
other paraphernalia, and these all contribute to goal-directed
behaviour caused by subjective 'needs' which the conscious being tries
to satisfy.

Anyway, interesting post. So have you any thoughts on which tunes
played on a guitar might be give rise to, the string(s) or the guitar
thinking? Any thoughts on what those thoughts might be? I ask you, as
I guess you would be the closest thing to a world authority on the
concept, or have you got competition?

No, you haven't really grasped the point about the vibrations in the
example. I was just pointing out that a certain amount of complexity
is required for consciousness, so complexity is needed somewhere in
the mechanoid. Vibrating systems can contain information of arbitrary
complexity - they don't have to be made out of physical elastic
bands. Vibrations occur in strings in general, these could be the
theoretical strings of string-theory, or hair-like cilia made from
millions of tiny pinheads all oscillating in a plasma field, if you
think elastic bands are too primitive a device to be worth
considering. Some people think that Mobius strips are weirdly clever
- perhaps if millions of elastic bands were Mobius strips interacting
in a complex 3-d lattice, with carefully placed twigs and twiglets to
provide the necessary resonance and feedback effects, it would be
rather more likely to have the necessary complexity for conscious
awareness of reality, than using just the one guitar string that you
suggest?

Discuss.

Jim





On Jun 30, 6:29?am, Jaye Elke wrote:
bobandcarole wrote:
On Jun 29, 10:24?am, Sniper .308 wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 00:49:46 -0700, bobandcarole

wrote:
Funny how ALMOST ALL of the usenet refer to you correctly as a lying
k00k and laugh hysterically at you daily
Where's your cites?
There are DOZENS of them posted DAILY

Sidestep is noted. Liar

You are a lying kook, Blob. You know it and so does everyone else.

ShittyFLL's chronic alcoholism is usenets newest knee-slapper. Have another drink, ShittyFLL..LOL
 

On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 20:52:15 -0700, bobandcarole
wrote:

faggot ****ty bought a dictionary..:_)

Jealous, you illeterate ****


Examples have been provided showing that you engage in bisexual
****fests with your wife, and that you are enormously fat.

Nothing but your questionable "screenshots"

Nothing questionable about them


We need not continue to post these truths just because you want to
deny their existence.

He's a liar like I've never seen.

Look who is yapping

ShittyFLL's chronic alcoholism is usenets newest knee-slapper. Have another drink, ShittyFLL..LOL
 

On Jun 30, 3:38?pm, Sniper .308 wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 20:52:15 -0700, bobandcarole

wrote:
faggot ****ty bought a dictionary..:_)

Jealous, you illeterate ****



Examples have been provided showing that you engage in bisexual
****fests with your wife, and that you are enormously fat.

Nothing but your questionable "screenshots"

Nothing questionable about them

Why can't the cocksucker find a genuine post?
Because none exist.



We need not continue to post these truths just because you want to
deny their existence.

He's a liar like I've never seen.

Look who is yapping

Look who's tap-dancing again
tosses cap-gun a watermelon

"You will find that out this summer when I arrive on your door step
Blob, People at AOL are quite helpful" --Sniper. 308, Jerry Lewis
poster boy in training goes postal and demonstrates his utter
frustration and psychotic tendencies.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.p...2f9f189?&hl=en

ShittyFLL's chronic alcoholism is usenets newest knee-slapper. Have another drink, ShittyFLL..LOL
 

On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 18:44:26 -0700, bobandcarole
wrote:

Look who is yapping

Look who's tap-dancing again

That would be you Blobby