Goldfish Question
 

I recently placed the goldfish that have been in my pond (since May)
in a 30 gallon tank for the winter, they are fine, yet they seem to
love the aerator, they swim up and down through the bubbles and the go
CRAZY, splishing and splashing and speeding around the tank.

Is this normal?

J

Goldfish Question
 

On Oct 21, 11:17*am, Tynk wrote:
On Oct 21, 9:07*am, Joel wrote:

I recently placed the goldfish that have been in my pond (since May)
in a 30 gallon tank for the winter, they are fine, yet they seem to
love the aerator, they swim up and down through the bubbles and the go
CRAZY, splishing and splashing and speeding around the tank.

Is this normal?

J

Just out of curiosity.......
What type of Goldie are we talking about? Common / Comet, Fancy, or
Koi?
Large differences in the growth of each of those types, so it makes a
difference.
How big are they (inches long)?
How many were put into the 30 gal.
And lastly, was the 30g cycled before adding them? If so, what method
did you use?

Look like regular run of the mill goldfish (bought them at Petco for .
25 each) So common goldies
About 4" in length
5 in the tank
Bought the tank used and filled it with the water that was in the pond.

Goldfish Question
 

On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:18:16 -0700 (PDT), Joel
wrote:

On Oct 21, 11:17*am, Tynk wrote:
On Oct 21, 9:07*am, Joel wrote:

I recently placed the goldfish that have been in my pond (since May)
in a 30 gallon tank for the winter, they are fine, yet they seem to
love the aerator, they swim up and down through the bubbles and the go
CRAZY, splishing and splashing and speeding around the tank.

Is this normal?

J

Just out of curiosity.......
What type of Goldie are we talking about? Common / Comet, Fancy, or
Koi?
Large differences in the growth of each of those types, so it makes a
difference.
How big are they (inches long)?
How many were put into the 30 gal.
And lastly, was the 30g cycled before adding them? If so, what method
did you use?

Look like regular run of the mill goldfish (bought them at Petco for .
25 each) So common goldies
About 4" in length
5 in the tank
Bought the tank used and filled it with the water that was in the pond.


Back to the first question, goldfish playing in the bubbles is
commonly reported. It seems to mean nothing more than just playing,
they enjoy it.

Goldfish Question
 

On Oct 22, 10:55*am, Tynk wrote:
On Oct 21, 12:18*pm, Joel wrote:





On Oct 21, 11:17*am, Tynk wrote:

On Oct 21, 9:07*am, Joel wrote:

I recently placed the goldfish that have been in my pond (since May)
in a 30 gallon tank for the winter, they are fine, yet they seem to
love the aerator, they swim up and down through the bubbles and the go
CRAZY, splishing and splashing and speeding around the tank.

Is this normal?

J

Just out of curiosity.......
What type of Goldie are we talking about? Common / Comet, Fancy, or
Koi?
Large differences in the growth of each of those types, so it makes a
difference.
How big are they (inches long)?
How many were put into the 30 gal.
And lastly, was the 30g cycled before adding them? If so, what method
did you use?

Look like regular run of the mill goldfish (bought them at Petco for .
25 each) So common goldies
About 4" in length
5 in the tank
Bought the tank used and filled it with the water that was in the pond.

The up and down in the bubbles is normal.
It's the other issues that are going to become a problem very soon.
The tank is not cycled. Adding water from your pond didn't cycle the
tank. Many people believe that by adding old water from an established
tank (or pond) will make a new tank cycled or bring the nitrifying
bacteria with it. It does not.
The bacteria adhere to every surface inside the tank, and filtration
system.
This, along with water changes and gravel vacuuming is what keeps a
tank healthy.
Your tank is going to quickly become nitrite soup.
Goldies produce vast amounts of waste. More than your average fish.
You mentioned an "air stone". Is this in *addition* to your filter?
If you do not have any filtration, just an airstone, 5 - four inch
commons in an uncycled tank since May...I'm thinking their actions may
not be play, but desperation to get out.
What's the water change schedule on this tank (% changed and how
often)?- Hide quoted text -

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I just added the fish in the tank Saturday, the fish were in the pond
since May, I have a filter and aerator, I plan on getting a gravel vac
as well and will be changing the water on a regular basis.

Sorry if the question was confusing

Thanks for the replies.

Goldfish Question
 

too many GF, too little water. what you describe is classic behavior in toxic water
conditions. start changing water. what are you doing for filtration? It might be
better for your GF to get a 150 gallon rubbermaid tub in the basement, hang a light
and build some kind of veggie filter down there to keep the water clean.
http://weloveteaching.com/mypond/VF/veggie_filter.html

keep it cool and only feed a couple times a week, lightly. But you do need to clean
GF up when bringing them inside from a pond.
http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/c...m%20the%20pond
Ingrid

On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:11:44 EDT, Joel wrote:
I have a question regarding goldfish behavior. Back in May I put about
a dozon goldfish in my pond (small pond, about 15'x8'x2' deep) I took
them out and put them in a 30 gallon tank in my house for the winter,
they seem to love the aerator (Swimming up and down in the bubbles the
they freak out and fly around the tank (flipping out of the water etc)

My question is...

Is this normal?

J

Goldfish Question
 

On Oct 23, 10:03*am, Tynk wrote:
On Oct 22, 12:37*pm, Joel wrote:

I just added the fish in the tank Saturday, the fish were in the pond
since May, I have a filter and aerator, I plan on getting a gravel vac
as well and will be changing the water on a regular basis.

Sorry if the question was confusing

Thanks for the replies.

OK....
It's a good thing that the Goldies have only been in this tank since
Saturday. I had thought you said since May. That's where my confusion
came from.
So, it's probably a combo of lack of space, and play for now.
Very, very quickly those nitrites are going to explode.
One average fish in that tank would suffer from the coming "new tank
syndrome" (aka nitrite soup) in no time, but you have 5 - mega waste
producers.
Here's the deal. You obviously have a pond and are wintering your
goldies. However, you weren't prepared properly for the wintering
process.
You have a decision to make very, very soon. This weekend would be
good. That's how soon I'm talking about. You can save them if prevent
them from being damaged by the nitrite soup to come. Their gill tissue
will have burns so bad from it that the damage scars (if they
survive).
The more scarred gill tissue, the less oxygen they can get out of the
water column. Just an FYI for any of those out there that don't know
this.... Goldfish do NOT get O2 from the surface. That's actually them
suffocating. *Just to clarify, many fish will take a few gulps at the
surface. That's not what I'm talking about.
I'm talking about not swimming around, just hanging at the surface,
gulping constantly. That's suffocation.
If you had great filtration, but had a nitrite soup situation.....you
would see the fish desperately trying to get out. Some may even jump
(fishicide).
Now if you don't want to get a larger tank I would take Ingrid's
suggestion of getting a "Rubbermaid" type tub. It has to be new,
rinsed out and scrubbed with a clean paper towel. Then fill it, add
your plants and fish.
I would suggest getting BioSpira and adding it. Make sure to use the
proper amount. Never less than you need....and you cannot use too
much. The more bacteria the better, so you can't really over do
BioSpira. This *will* cycle the tank. It has the correct- live
bacteria in it. Products like *Cycle* do NOT work. It has the wrong
bacteria in it. You need a product that has nitrospira *bacteria in
it. Most of those cycling products have other bacteria in it that
aren't what you need when starting a tank.
If you can't get BioSpira as it is hard to find because it needs to be
refrigerated, you'll have to cycle the tub (or larger tank) with the
fish.
This will require lots of water changes to keep the nitrite levels
down. It has to be that way in order to cause the least amount of harm
to the fish.
It shouldn't make a difference that they cost like 25 cents each.
Those fish you have can grow to 16 inches each, and can live over 20
years.
Just out of curiosity, how large is the pond?
I had to ask that one.
Ponds became very popular these last few years here in the States, and
sadly many didn't research the fish's needs before doing so. That's
not a jab, that was just a matter of fact comment on the downside to
the recent popularity of ponds.

Pond is 15'x8'x2' deep.

Thanks for the replies.

J

Goldfish Question
 

On Oct 23, 12:17*pm, Joel wrote:
On Oct 23, 10:03*am, Tynk wrote:





On Oct 22, 12:37*pm, Joel wrote:

I just added the fish in the tank Saturday, the fish were in the pond
since May, I have a filter and aerator, I plan on getting a gravel vac
as well and will be changing the water on a regular basis.

Sorry if the question was confusing

Thanks for the replies.

OK....
It's a good thing that the Goldies have only been in this tank since
Saturday. I had thought you said since May. That's where my confusion
came from.
So, it's probably a combo of lack of space, and play for now.
Very, very quickly those nitrites are going to explode.
One average fish in that tank would suffer from the coming "new tank
syndrome" (aka nitrite soup) in no time, but you have 5 - mega waste
producers.
Here's the deal. You obviously have a pond and are wintering your
goldies. However, you weren't prepared properly for the wintering
process.
You have a decision to make very, very soon. This weekend would be
good. That's how soon I'm talking about. You can save them if prevent
them from being damaged by the nitrite soup to come. Their gill tissue
will have burns so bad from it that the damage scars (if they
survive).
The more scarred gill tissue, the less oxygen they can get out of the
water column. Just an FYI for any of those out there that don't know
this.... Goldfish do NOT get O2 from the surface. That's actually them
suffocating. *Just to clarify, many fish will take a few gulps at the
surface. That's not what I'm talking about.
I'm talking about not swimming around, just hanging at the surface,
gulping constantly. That's suffocation.
If you had great filtration, but had a nitrite soup situation.....you
would see the fish desperately trying to get out. Some may even jump
(fishicide).
Now if you don't want to get a larger tank I would take Ingrid's
suggestion of getting a "Rubbermaid" type tub. It has to be new,
rinsed out and scrubbed with a clean paper towel. Then fill it, add
your plants and fish.
I would suggest getting BioSpira and adding it. Make sure to use the
proper amount. Never less than you need....and you cannot use too
much. The more bacteria the better, so you can't really over do
BioSpira. This *will* cycle the tank. It has the correct- live
bacteria in it. Products like *Cycle* do NOT work. It has the wrong
bacteria in it. You need a product that has nitrospira *bacteria in
it. Most of those cycling products have other bacteria in it that
aren't what you need when starting a tank.
If you can't get BioSpira as it is hard to find because it needs to be
refrigerated, you'll have to cycle the tub (or larger tank) with the
fish.
This will require lots of water changes to keep the nitrite levels
down. It has to be that way in order to cause the least amount of harm
to the fish.
It shouldn't make a difference that they cost like 25 cents each.
Those fish you have can grow to 16 inches each, and can live over 20
years.
Just out of curiosity, how large is the pond?
I had to ask that one.
Ponds became very popular these last few years here in the States, and
sadly many didn't research the fish's needs before doing so. That's
not a jab, that was just a matter of fact comment on the downside to
the recent popularity of ponds.

Pond is 15'x8'x2' deep.

Thanks for the replies.

J- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So Joel
How does it feelt o be a goldfish abuser. There is help groups for
folks that like to abuse and torture fish weather by accident or on
purpose. Maybe its time to scale those jokers and toss em in a pan
with some onions and mushrooms or wrap in aluminum foil with some
onions and butter and seasoning and have a go at a end of the year
fish roast. They are great eating when cooked right as are Koi. Then
instread of going balls broke to support a bunch of 25 cent feeders
simply buy a bunch more next spring and come winter repeat fish BBQ
again...........I ain't telling you what to do with yur money or time
thats for sure, but for a $1.50 worth of goldfish its dumb to spend
hundredes of dollars to keep em warma nd confy for a few months time
if you ask me..especially common feeder types. Fancy perhaps is a
different story, but come on, its like stepping over a $10 bill to
pick up a dam penny, and after all its a ****ing fish anyhow. Flush
those suckers or eat em for supper, or go for broke and plop down
allthat hard earned money for a buck and ahlafs worthof fish or go
iton yur own method and see if what is stated is bull**** or fact! But
whatever you do please keep us informed as we need allthe good posts
we can get in this groupa nd to help lots of folks get over the winter
time blahs!

Goldfish Question
 

On Oct 23, 2:54*pm, John Smith wrote:
On Oct 23, 12:17*pm, Joel wrote:





On Oct 23, 10:03*am, Tynk wrote:

On Oct 22, 12:37*pm, Joel wrote:

I just added the fish in the tank Saturday, the fish were in the pond
since May, I have a filter and aerator, I plan on getting a gravel vac
as well and will be changing the water on a regular basis.

Sorry if the question was confusing

Thanks for the replies.

OK....
It's a good thing that the Goldies have only been in this tank since
Saturday. I had thought you said since May. That's where my confusion
came from.
So, it's probably a combo of lack of space, and play for now.
Very, very quickly those nitrites are going to explode.
One average fish in that tank would suffer from the coming "new tank
syndrome" (aka nitrite soup) in no time, but you have 5 - mega waste
producers.
Here's the deal. You obviously have a pond and are wintering your
goldies. However, you weren't prepared properly for the wintering
process.
You have a decision to make very, very soon. This weekend would be
good. That's how soon I'm talking about. You can save them if prevent
them from being damaged by the nitrite soup to come. Their gill tissue
will have burns so bad from it that the damage scars (if they
survive).
The more scarred gill tissue, the less oxygen they can get out of the
water column. Just an FYI for any of those out there that don't know
this.... Goldfish do NOT get O2 from the surface. That's actually them
suffocating. *Just to clarify, many fish will take a few gulps at the
surface. That's not what I'm talking about.
I'm talking about not swimming around, just hanging at the surface,
gulping constantly. That's suffocation.
If you had great filtration, but had a nitrite soup situation.....you
would see the fish desperately trying to get out. Some may even jump
(fishicide).
Now if you don't want to get a larger tank I would take Ingrid's
suggestion of getting a "Rubbermaid" type tub. It has to be new,
rinsed out and scrubbed with a clean paper towel. Then fill it, add
your plants and fish.
I would suggest getting BioSpira and adding it. Make sure to use the
proper amount. Never less than you need....and you cannot use too
much. The more bacteria the better, so you can't really over do
BioSpira. This *will* cycle the tank. It has the correct- live
bacteria in it. Products like *Cycle* do NOT work. It has the wrong
bacteria in it. You need a product that has nitrospira *bacteria in
it. Most of those cycling products have other bacteria in it that
aren't what you need when starting a tank.
If you can't get BioSpira as it is hard to find because it needs to be
refrigerated, you'll have to cycle the tub (or larger tank) with the
fish.
This will require lots of water changes to keep the nitrite levels
down. It has to be that way in order to cause the least amount of harm
to the fish.
It shouldn't make a difference that they cost like 25 cents each.
Those fish you have can grow to 16 inches each, and can live over 20
years.
Just out of curiosity, how large is the pond?
I had to ask that one.
Ponds became very popular these last few years here in the States, and
sadly many didn't research the fish's needs before doing so. That's
not a jab, that was just a matter of fact comment on the downside to
the recent popularity of ponds.

Pond is 15'x8'x2' deep.

Thanks for the replies.

J- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So Joel
*How does it feelt o be a goldfish abuser. There is help groups for
folks that like to abuse and torture fish weather by accident or on
purpose. Maybe its time to scale those jokers and toss em in a pan
with some onions and mushrooms or wrap in aluminum foil with some
onions and butter and seasoning and have a go at a end of the year
fish roast. They are great eating when cooked right as are Koi. Then
instread of going balls broke to support a bunch of 25 cent feeders
simply buy a bunch more next spring and come winter repeat fish BBQ
again...........I ain't telling you what to do with yur money or time
thats for sure, but for a $1.50 worth of goldfish its dumb to spend
hundredes of dollars to keep em warma nd confy for a few months time
if you ask me..especially common feeder types. Fancy perhaps is a
different story, but come on, its like stepping over a $10 bill to
pick up a dam penny, and after all its a ****ing fish anyhow. Flush
those suckers or eat em for supper, or go for broke and plop down
allthat hard earned money for a buck and ahlafs worthof fish or go
iton yur own method and see if what is stated is bull**** or fact! But
whatever you do please keep us informed as we need allthe good posts
we can get in this groupa nd to help lots of folks get over the winter
time blahs!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Kids love them too much. Besides, they did produce offspring, didn't
see them in the pond till just recently (like another half dozen
little black ones)

In trouble now ;)

Goldfish Question
 

On Oct 27, 11:25*am, Tynk wrote:
On Oct 23, 2:43*pm, Joel wrote:



Kids love them too much. Besides, they did produce offspring, didn't
see them in the pond till just recently (like another half dozen
little black ones)

In trouble now * *;)

* * *= O * DOH!

Total # of fish

Originally bought 12 (And 1 crayfish)
scooped out 9 of the original 12 (lost 3) and 11 offspring (Which I
placed in a deep pond in a cemetary near my house, they should be fine
there)
Lost the crayfish too :(

Goldfish Question
 

On Oct 28, 10:29*am, Joel wrote:
On Oct 27, 11:25*am, Tynk wrote:

On Oct 23, 2:43*pm, Joel wrote:

Kids love them too much. Besides, they did produce offspring, didn't
see them in the pond till just recently (like another half dozen
little black ones)

In trouble now * *;)

* * *= O * DOH!

Total # of fish

Originally bought 12 (And 1 crayfish)
scooped out 9 of the original 12 (lost 3) and 11 offspring (Which I
placed in a deep pond in a cemetary near my house, they should be fine
there)
Lost the crayfish too * :(

Hate to say it, but was there other fish in that pond. Is the water
suitbale for fish to live in? Will it be suitbale for them later on if
they make it, or does odds and ends get dumped into it? We all know
all water is not created equal or suitbale for life with a
fish......but sometimes that old addage of out of sight out of mind
works best! You did good IMHO. YOu would do even better if you reduced
the herd in that fish tank as well.......perhaps the offspring would
like to over winter with mom or pop or aunti or uncle!

Goldfish Question
 

On Oct 28, 7:15*pm, John Smith wrote:
On Oct 28, 10:29*am, Joel wrote:





On Oct 27, 11:25*am, Tynk wrote:

On Oct 23, 2:43*pm, Joel wrote:

Kids love them too much. Besides, they did produce offspring, didn't
see them in the pond till just recently (like another half dozen
little black ones)

In trouble now * *;)

* * *= O * DOH!

Total # of fish

Originally bought 12 (And 1 crayfish)
scooped out 9 of the original 12 (lost 3) and 11 offspring (Which I
placed in a deep pond in a cemetary near my house, they should be fine
there)
Lost the crayfish too * :(

Hate to say it, but was there other fish in that pond. Is the water
suitbale for fish to live in? Will it be suitbale for them later on if
they make it, or does odds and ends get dumped into it? *We all know
all water is not created equal or suitbale for life with a
fish......but sometimes that old addage of out of sight out of mind
works best! You did good IMHO. YOu would do even better if you reduced
the herd in that fish tank as well.......perhaps the offspring would
like to over winter with mom or pop or aunti or uncle!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

All the fish were in the pond, the pond has a inground pool sand
filter, former owners had fish (Some wintered over when it didn't
freeze solid) Come spring, the pond will be emptied AGAIN all rocks
removed and cleaned, pond liner will be cleaned and be good to go.

Any other questions?

Goldfish Question
 

On Oct 29, 8:44*am, Joel wrote:
On Oct 28, 7:15*pm, John Smith wrote:





On Oct 28, 10:29*am, Joel wrote:

On Oct 27, 11:25*am, Tynk wrote:

On Oct 23, 2:43*pm, Joel wrote:

Kids love them too much. Besides, they did produce offspring, didn't
see them in the pond till just recently (like another half dozen
little black ones)

In trouble now * *;)

* * *= O * DOH!

Total # of fish

Originally bought 12 (And 1 crayfish)
scooped out 9 of the original 12 (lost 3) and 11 offspring (Which I
placed in a deep pond in a cemetary near my house, they should be fine
there)
Lost the crayfish too * :(

Hate to say it, but was there other fish in that pond. Is the water
suitbale for fish to live in? Will it be suitbale for them later on if
they make it, or does odds and ends get dumped into it? *We all know
all water is not created equal or suitbale for life with a
fish......but sometimes that old addage of out of sight out of mind
works best! You did good IMHO. YOu would do even better if you reduced
the herd in that fish tank as well.......perhaps the offspring would
like to over winter with mom or pop or aunti or uncle!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

All the fish were in the pond, the pond has a inground pool sand
filter, former owners had fish (Some wintered over when it didn't
freeze solid) Come spring, the pond will be emptied AGAIN all rocks
removed and cleaned, pond liner will be cleaned and be good to go.

Any other questions?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Which of the occupants of the cemetary owns that pond. You mean they
come back alive to maintain their pond every spring? Wow only in Mass
would stuff like this happen...Does perpetual care in the cemetary
upkeep also pay electric bill to maintain this pond just so the inhabs
can enjoy fish, or maybe the inhabs came back as fish. Yea thats
probably what is happening. The dead folks were reincarnated as fish.
Guess with all thw worms in a cemetary being a fish is not a bad thing
as the food source should be pretty darn good.