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On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 19:56:05 GMT, wrote:

An outsourced
operation, in a place like India, China, The Philippines, etc.; where some
greedy American corporation is saving a few pieces of Silver and displacing
American workers in the process.


That "greedy American corporation" is probably included in the 401(k)
retirement plans of most everybody who reads this. Average American
workers gain from this.

The savings the corporation makes gives them pricing power, causing the
average American worker to spend less money to acquire their goods and
services.

The establishment of business infrastructure in third world companies
require the purchase of capital goods from the United States. This is good
for average American workers who produce it.

The removal of expensively educated American workers from mundane
operations allows productivity to increase and engenders new business
enterprise in the United States. This is good for average American workers
(who aren't content with being lazy and insisting they keep the same job
for life).

For every non-competitive American job that is moved overseas, many more
poor local people are to work. Thus, many more people are allowed to
improve their lives. This injection of income encourages adoption of a
modern economy, government, and social stability which will reduce the
excuses for terrorism. This is good for average American workers - and
everybody else in the world.

The only people who really lose in the outsourcing equation are members of
outdated and inefficient un-American union labor.


BLReed

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"Byron L. Reed" wrote in message
...
| On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 19:56:05 GMT, wrote:
|
| An outsourced
| operation, in a place like India, China, The Philippines, etc.;
where some
| greedy American corporation is saving a few pieces of Silver and
displacing
| American workers in the process.
|
|
| That "greedy American corporation" is probably included in the
401(k)
| retirement plans of most everybody who reads this. Average
American
| workers gain from this.
|


Tell this to the thousands of people like myself who are being put
out of work by the increasing use of offshore out-sourcing, and all
the other new laws that are supposed to promote "world trade", that
are in effect, killing our economy. Have you looked outside lately?

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I know in the tech industry that a lot of jobs go to China and India because
they produce 3x
the amount of comp sci grads every than the US. I live in Canada and we get
recruited for US
tech jobs because our graduate trainging is more up to date and more
experiance driven rather than
then academic compared to that of our counter parts in the US, at least in
the Pacific Northwest
which is where the bulk of Tech comes out of anyways.

A lot of people complain about outsourcing tech jobs over seas but they do
not realize the needs
of the companies cannot be met here. Steve Balmer CEO of Microsoft recently
said that they have
hired tech people out of India and China simply because the demand is not
met here in North
America. He also mentioned that the cost wasn't an issue since they still do
their R&D over here
in the silicon valley and a lot of times end up moving people over to
America.

I guess the point at least in the tech sector is that the work is here you
just have to go get it.

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I think this forum is read by different people around the world and doesnt
belong to anybody or any country or people in particular. We are a bunch of
people meeting here to discuss about our hobby.
Anyways, when somebody call me to offer me any kind of things, i treat them
with respect because they are working...and sorry...their work is to call
"us" and "bother us" They get paid for just that.

--
Paulo
"Kelly" wrote in message news:Kdr9c.28382$QO2.9999@pd7tw1no...
I know in the tech industry that a lot of jobs go to China and India
because
they produce 3x
the amount of comp sci grads every than the US. I live in Canada and we
get
recruited for US
tech jobs because our graduate trainging is more up to date and more
experiance driven rather than
then academic compared to that of our counter parts in the US, at least in
the Pacific Northwest
which is where the bulk of Tech comes out of anyways.

A lot of people complain about outsourcing tech jobs over seas but they do
not realize the needs
of the companies cannot be met here. Steve Balmer CEO of Microsoft
recently
said that they have
hired tech people out of India and China simply because the demand is not
met here in North
America. He also mentioned that the cost wasn't an issue since they still
do
their R&D over here
in the silicon valley and a lot of times end up moving people over to
America.

I guess the point at least in the tech sector is that the work is here you
just have to go get it.

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Anyways, when somebody call me to offer me any kind of things, i treat
them
with respect because they are working...and sorry...their work is to call
"us" and "bother us" They get paid for just that.

Excellent point Paulo.

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"Byron L. Reed" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 19:56:05 GMT, wrote:

An outsourced
operation, in a place like India, China, The Philippines, etc.; where
some
greedy American corporation is saving a few pieces of Silver and
displacing
American workers in the process.


That "greedy American corporation" is probably included in the 401(k)
retirement plans of most everybody who reads this. Average American
workers gain from this.

The savings the corporation makes gives them pricing power, causing the
average American worker to spend less money to acquire their goods and
services.

The establishment of business infrastructure in third world companies
require the purchase of capital goods from the United States. This is
good
for average American workers who produce it.

The removal of expensively educated American workers from mundane
operations allows productivity to increase and engenders new business
enterprise in the United States. This is good for average American workers
(who aren't content with being lazy and insisting they keep the same job
for life).

For every non-competitive American job that is moved overseas, many more
poor local people are to work. Thus, many more people are allowed to
improve their lives. This injection of income encourages adoption of a
modern economy, government, and social stability which will reduce the
excuses for terrorism. This is good for average American workers - and
everybody else in the world.

The only people who really lose in the outsourcing equation are members of
outdated and inefficient un-American union labor.


BLReed
I worked for Compaq for seven years. Without warning I was told to go into
the cafeteria for an important anouncement. We were told to go straight to
por lockers, get our stuff and go home. we were not allowed to get our stuff
from our desks. We had to call to make an appointment to retrieve our
belongings. one thousand two hundred jobs went to India. Our average pay was
$14.00 per hour. The people in India who whose education was paid for by
Compaq earn an average of $2.15 per hour.
HP (who owns Compaq) Had profits of eighty-seven Billion dollars last year.
I am still out of a job, and will be applying for welfare when my
Unemployment insurance runs out at the end of April. Most of the people who
were laid off have not found work yet. Can you explain to me once again how
this is good for this country? How did I, personally gain from this?

What is a non-competitive job?
Are you talking about a unskilled job?
Put an ad in the paper saying you are looking for somebody to clean **** for
minimum wage, you will have dozens, if not hundreds of people applying.
EVERY job is competitive.

Mike

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In the land of rec.aquaria.marine.reefs, the word of the Lord came
to Byron L. Reed and verily he spoke saying:

On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 19:56:05 GMT, wrote:


Please don't feed the trolls!

--

-John
Because it makes things difficult to understand.
Why shouldn't I top post?

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"Christ's Soldiers" wrote in message
. 1.4...
| In the land of rec.aquaria.marine.reefs, the word of the Lord came
| to Byron L. Reed and verily he spoke saying:
|
| On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 19:56:05 GMT, wrote:
|
|
| Please don't feed the trolls!
|


I wouldn't really call that a true troll, plus the topic is a very
good one. I attempted to set the followup to a more fitting group,
but so far it hasn't moved there.

billy

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"Mike" wrote in message m...
"Byron L. Reed" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 19:56:05 GMT, wrote:

An outsourced
operation, in a place like India, China, The Philippines, etc.; where
some
greedy American corporation is saving a few pieces of Silver and
displacing
American workers in the process.


That "greedy American corporation" is probably included in the 401(k)
retirement plans of most everybody who reads this. Average American
workers gain from this.

The savings the corporation makes gives them pricing power, causing the
average American worker to spend less money to acquire their goods and
services.

The establishment of business infrastructure in third world companies
require the purchase of capital goods from the United States. This is
good
for average American workers who produce it.

The removal of expensively educated American workers from mundane
operations allows productivity to increase and engenders new business
enterprise in the United States. This is good for average American workers
(who aren't content with being lazy and insisting they keep the same job
for life).

For every non-competitive American job that is moved overseas, many more
poor local people are to work. Thus, many more people are allowed to
improve their lives. This injection of income encourages adoption of a
modern economy, government, and social stability which will reduce the
excuses for terrorism. This is good for average American workers - and
everybody else in the world.

The only people who really lose in the outsourcing equation are members of
outdated and inefficient un-American union labor.


BLReed
I worked for Compaq for seven years. Without warning I was told to go into
the cafeteria for an important anouncement. We were told to go straight to
por lockers, get our stuff and go home. we were not allowed to get our stuff
from our desks. We had to call to make an appointment to retrieve our
belongings. one thousand two hundred jobs went to India. Our average pay was
$14.00 per hour. The people in India who whose education was paid for by
Compaq earn an average of $2.15 per hour.
HP (who owns Compaq) Had profits of eighty-seven Billion dollars last year.
I am still out of a job, and will be applying for welfare when my
Unemployment insurance runs out at the end of April. Most of the people who
were laid off have not found work yet. Can you explain to me once again how
this is good for this country? How did I, personally gain from this?

What is a non-competitive job?
Are you talking about a unskilled job?
Put an ad in the paper saying you are looking for somebody to clean **** for
minimum wage, you will have dozens, if not hundreds of people applying.
EVERY job is competitive.

Mike


There is not any part of any of this conversation that resembles any
truth at all. This whole outsourcing of jobs is a myth created as a
desparate attack against a very popular US President. The economy is
doing very well, unemployment is low, interest rates are low, and the
only jobs being sourced out is engineering in some specialized
sectors. There was more export of jobs when Clinton was President. You
know what Mike, go back to school, learn another trade, get in another
business if you have to. I worked in the computer industry for over 20
years, and I must have got laid off 8 times. I bounced around from one
company to another during a lot tougher times than these. Now I have
my own business and I could not be happier. As a small businessman, I
am not rich and I do not drive fancy cars. I bust my but for every
dollar I make and I have no one to blame for my success or failure
other than myself. I thank God every day that we do not have liberals
or socialists running this country and I am gratefull that we have a
President that understands how to protect the small businessman like
me. Now enough of this dribble, I am going ack to my fish, which I
bought with my hard earned money.

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Robert H wrote:

There is not any part of any of this conversation that resembles any
truth at all.

Nor is there any part of it that in any way relates the the aquaria
newsgroups. Hint. Hint.



--
www.ericschreiber.com

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"Robert H" wrote in message
om...

There is not any part of any of this conversation that resembles any
truth at all. This whole outsourcing of jobs is a myth created as a
desparate attack against a very popular US President. The economy is
doing very well, unemployment is low, interest rates are low, and the
only jobs being sourced out is engineering in some specialized
sectors. There was more export of jobs when Clinton was President. You
know what Mike, go back to school, learn another trade, get in another
business if you have to. I worked in the computer industry for over 20
years, and I must have got laid off 8 times. I bounced around from one
company to another during a lot tougher times than these. Now I have
my own business and I could not be happier. As a small businessman, I
am not rich and I do not drive fancy cars. I bust my but for every
dollar I make and I have no one to blame for my success or failure
other than myself. I thank God every day that we do not have liberals
or socialists running this country and I am gratefull that we have a
President that understands how to protect the small businessman like
me. Now enough of this dribble, I am going ack to my fish, which I
bought with my hard earned money.

I believe you better take couple steps back or better take a several miles
high and look down on the globe. Why do you have to open a business so that
you keep your job? Everyone is trying to start their job, reason, lay-off
from a company they work for. And why do you have feel the pressure of each
dollar you earn? Why? Reason, could it be too many competition is due to
opening alot of small shop that you are competing? And why do say
engineering field or specialize skill person need to change to another
field? You better look again from afar distance to see the bigger picture.
Other than the engineering skill, how about farmer and textile? What other
field do you think that still there? Are you talking about SEVICES, like
insurance or maybe automotive repair service? Or MAYBE healthcare sector?
When other field section is having problem, do you think it will not affect
other field? Who going to buy your good if the person can not really afford
it or feeling the pinch? Do you think I will goto your shop and buy your
product when I feel that I maybe getting lay-off do to other country that
have lower pay than I do will take my job?
If one sector have problem, it affect every sector. Can you tell me what
country will have their name print on the product?

CapFusion,...

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At the risk of insulting people here (which I don't mean to do), if you look
at the big picture like
Cap says you might see that out-sourcing is really an defining
characteristic of Capitalism and free enterprise.
The owner can run his\her business the way they want, that's what makes
business in a democratic society so
great and so powerful. If any government took away a companies right to hire
from an international work force
that would be seen by many as an infringement on free society. Then you get
back to the notion that everyone
should be treated equally no matter how hard they work or how much they
charge or where they are, which is
the real essence of communism. No one complained much when all the cheap
factory work like plastics started
getting made in China. Profits rose as did homeland salaries and everyone
was happy but now that the higher
paying jobs are going there aswell the mood changes.

As much as we all hate to see people loose their jobs for any reason the
fact is it is going to happen when a
better profit can be made else where. That IS free enterprise.

"CapFusion" CapFusion...@hotmail..,com wrote in message
...

"Robert H" wrote in message
om...

There is not any part of any of this conversation that resembles any
truth at all. This whole outsourcing of jobs is a myth created as a
desparate attack against a very popular US President. The economy is
doing very well, unemployment is low, interest rates are low, and the
only jobs being sourced out is engineering in some specialized
sectors. There was more export of jobs when Clinton was President. You
know what Mike, go back to school, learn another trade, get in another
business if you have to. I worked in the computer industry for over 20
years, and I must have got laid off 8 times. I bounced around from one
company to another during a lot tougher times than these. Now I have
my own business and I could not be happier. As a small businessman, I
am not rich and I do not drive fancy cars. I bust my but for every
dollar I make and I have no one to blame for my success or failure
other than myself. I thank God every day that we do not have liberals
or socialists running this country and I am gratefull that we have a
President that understands how to protect the small businessman like
me. Now enough of this dribble, I am going ack to my fish, which I
bought with my hard earned money.

I believe you better take couple steps back or better take a several miles
high and look down on the globe. Why do you have to open a business so
that
you keep your job? Everyone is trying to start their job, reason, lay-off
from a company they work for. And why do you have feel the pressure of
each
dollar you earn? Why? Reason, could it be too many competition is due to
opening alot of small shop that you are competing? And why do say
engineering field or specialize skill person need to change to another
field? You better look again from afar distance to see the bigger picture.
Other than the engineering skill, how about farmer and textile? What other
field do you think that still there? Are you talking about SEVICES, like
insurance or maybe automotive repair service? Or MAYBE healthcare sector?
When other field section is having problem, do you think it will not
affect
other field? Who going to buy your good if the person can not really
afford
it or feeling the pinch? Do you think I will goto your shop and buy your
product when I feel that I maybe getting lay-off do to other country that
have lower pay than I do will take my job?
If one sector have problem, it affect every sector. Can you tell me what
country will have their name print on the product?

CapFusion,...

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I believe you better take couple steps back or better take a several
miles
high and look down on the globe. Why do you have to open a business so
that
you keep your job? Everyone is trying to start their job, reason,
lay-off
from a company they work for. And why do you have feel the pressure of
each
dollar you earn? Why? Reason, could it be too many competition is due
to
opening alot of small shop that you are competing? And why do say
engineering field or specialize skill person need to change to another
field? You better look again from afar distance to see the bigger
picture.
Other than the engineering skill, how about farmer and textile? What
other
field do you think that still there? Are you talking about SEVICES,
like
insurance or maybe automotive repair service? Or MAYBE healthcare
sector?
When other field section is having problem, do you think it will not
affect
other field? Who going to buy your good if the person can not really
afford
it or feeling the pinch? Do you think I will goto your shop and buy
your
product when I feel that I maybe getting lay-off do to other country
that
have lower pay than I do will take my job?

blah blah blah... if English is your first language, you really need
to go back to school to improve your writing skills because I can not
understand anything you are saying here. In the USA right now,
unemployment is lower than its been in a long time. The USA economy
right now is very GOOD. I did not start a business of my own because I
could not find work. I can always find work. I started my own business
because it was something that I LOVE. Something I am good at. I am one
of the largest online suppliers of aquarium plants and supplies. I
turned my hobby into a successfull business. And people from all walks
of life are spending lots of money to buy from me. My average sale is
over $200. Business has never been better. If our economy was so bad,
my business would not be growing so quickly. This is a capitolistic
society. If you do not like Capitolisim, then get rid of your designer
clothes, your $100 tennis shoes, and move to France or Cuba.
Otherwise, if you have found yourself laid off from a job, get another
one instead of finding someone to blame. Be glad that this country
and our President allows businesses to thrive in order to provide jobs
and a healthier economy, and a President that is making the world a
safer place.

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economy, and a President that is making the world a
safer place.

What a crock of ****. I have strong opinions about this and am really biting
down hard from having to turn on my flamethrower. If I were living in
America I would never support your business again, just from the values that
you hold. Were talking reefs here, take your bull**** political opinions
elsewhere or keep them to yourself.
--
**So long, and thanks for all the fish!**