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Sick Lotus brown leaves
H E L P ! !
My lotus leaves are turning brown about 3 days after they reach the surface. No Ariels yet. About 3 inches across. Started with tubers 3/4 by 4 inches. Chawna Basu and Chineese Double Rose. Planted in sand and kitty litter in a 8 gallon tub 16 in across. approx 6 in below water surface Full sun from 11am to 6pm Last fertilized with one tomato spike(3/4 x 1.5) about a week ago. Pots were started with 3 spikes each about mid May Useing 2 Tbsp muriate of potash every other week in 2000 gal pond. Photos are at the end of the pond album. http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/jrock64rose Pond is clear. Lillys are blooming. Even have 1 1/2 in baby commet/fan/subunkin/fish. Lotus are dieing. Can you burn a lotus with too much fertilizer. Spikes were stuck way on the side of the pots. JRock64 |
Sick Lotus brown leaves
Jrock, I don't have a clue why your lotuses are dying.
Now I will take a couple of guesses... yes, lotus can get too much fertilizer. Mine get fed once in the spring and then the pond gets flooded with fish pond water every week. Too much fertilizer is just a guess. Not sure this is the problem. I'm wondering if the sun is too strong for them. Where are you located? It seems strange that the leaves would be green when they first appear - only to turn brown after they are to the surface. I'm hoping someone else posts with a definitive answer for you. Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "jrock64" wrote in message news:IV2Ra.73528$N7.8514@sccrnsc03... H E L P ! ! My lotus leaves are turning brown about 3 days after they reach the surface. No Ariels yet. About 3 inches across. Started with tubers 3/4 by 4 inches. Chawna Basu and Chineese Double Rose. Planted in sand and kitty litter in a 8 gallon tub 16 in across. approx 6 in below water surface Full sun from 11am to 6pm Last fertilized with one tomato spike(3/4 x 1.5) about a week ago. Pots were started with 3 spikes each about mid May Useing 2 Tbsp muriate of potash every other week in 2000 gal pond. Photos are at the end of the pond album. http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/jrock64rose Pond is clear. Lillys are blooming. Even have 1 1/2 in baby commet/fan/subunkin/fish. Lotus are dieing. Can you burn a lotus with too much fertilizer. Spikes were stuck way on the side of the pots. JRock64 |
Sick Lotus brown leaves
Nedra, that was my first thought as well -- the leaves look as though
they've been burned or dried out by the sun. Jrock64, have your temps been higher than usual? -- Kathy B Nedra wrote: I'm wondering if the sun is too strong for them. Where are you located? It seems strange that the leaves would be green when they first appear - only to turn brown after they are to the surface. I'm hoping someone else posts with a definitive answer for you. Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "jrock64" wrote... H E L P ! ! My lotus leaves are turning brown about 3 days after they reach the surface. |
Sick Lotus brown leaves
My lotus didn't do well it's first year. Planted it in early spring, it
grew slightly, then at the end of July it died. Or so I thought. It came back the next spring. I agree, too high/low pH could be the problem. It's hard for me to tell in the photo, but do the new leaves emerge looking all over pale? More lime green than green? As for feeding, I read somewhere not to feed a lotus until it has 10 or more leaves, this has worked for me. Mind you, I would plant it in soil (unenriched regular garden soil). Does anyone else have their lotus in sand & clay only and have a low fish load? Another thing that comes to mind, you could remove that rock from the growing tip; it should only be there to keep the tuber from floating until the lotus takes root. Very nice lilies! Is that mottled-leafed lily a Leopardess or an Albert Greenberg? Love those leaves! -- Wendy* in N. California, "Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school." - Albert Einstein "jrock64" wrote in message news:IV2Ra.73528$N7.8514@sccrnsc03... H E L P ! ! My lotus leaves are turning brown about 3 days after they reach the surface. No Ariels yet. About 3 inches across. Started with tubers 3/4 by 4 inches. Chawna Basu and Chineese Double Rose. Planted in sand and kitty litter in a 8 gallon tub 16 in across. approx 6 in below water surface Full sun from 11am to 6pm Last fertilized with one tomato spike(3/4 x 1.5) about a week ago. Pots were started with 3 spikes each about mid May Useing 2 Tbsp muriate of potash every other week in 2000 gal pond. Photos are at the end of the pond album. http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/jrock64rose Pond is clear. Lillys are blooming. Even have 1 1/2 in baby commet/fan/subunkin/fish. Lotus are dieing. Can you burn a lotus with too much fertilizer. Spikes were stuck way on the side of the pots. JRock64 |
Sick Lotus brown leaves
Does anyone else have their lotus in sand & clay only and have a low fish load?
Mine are in a 1,000 gallon pond with 5 goldfish and a few taddies that haven't changed yet. They are potted pretty much in pure sand. Noticed I have another bud today, 8 total with 3 open. ~ jan See my ponds and filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Wet!~ Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website |
Sick Lotus brown leaves
Yes that WAS an Albert Greenberg
Did not overwinter in my unheated basement. 45degrees year round. Have already killed two tropicals this year.(bareroot internet ordered) Will take anyone seriously when they say minimum water temperature 55 degrees 70 degrees for growth. That was about 3 weeks ago in my neck of the woods. Mid May was way too soon. Back to the lotus. All the leaves have always been a lime green in color. Do not know what color they should be. Started out about dime size with each new leaf about 25% larger than the last. Zone 4 NW Iowa Temps in the low 90's PH 8.5 to 9+ I thought that lillys and lotus would take all the sun you could give them. Dug for the fertilizer spike and could find no trace of it before the clay clouded over the water. Leaves seem to be turning brown now as soon as they unroll at the surface. JRock64 "Wendy Kelly Budd" wrote in message ... My lotus didn't do well it's first year. Planted it in early spring, it grew slightly, then at the end of July it died. Or so I thought. It came back the next spring. I agree, too high/low pH could be the problem. It's hard for me to tell in the photo, but do the new leaves emerge looking all over pale? More lime green than green? As for feeding, I read somewhere not to feed a lotus until it has 10 or more leaves, this has worked for me. Mind you, I would plant it in soil (unenriched regular garden soil). Does anyone else have their lotus in sand & clay only and have a low fish load? Another thing that comes to mind, you could remove that rock from the growing tip; it should only be there to keep the tuber from floating until the lotus takes root. Very nice lilies! Is that mottled-leafed lily a Leopardess or an Albert Greenberg? Love those leaves! -- Wendy* in N. California, "Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school." - Albert Einstein "jrock64" wrote in message news:IV2Ra.73528$N7.8514@sccrnsc03... H E L P ! ! My lotus leaves are turning brown about 3 days after they reach the surface. No Ariels yet. About 3 inches across. Started with tubers 3/4 by 4 inches. Chawna Basu and Chineese Double Rose. Planted in sand and kitty litter in a 8 gallon tub 16 in across. approx 6 in below water surface Full sun from 11am to 6pm Last fertilized with one tomato spike(3/4 x 1.5) about a week ago. Pots were started with 3 spikes each about mid May Useing 2 Tbsp muriate of potash every other week in 2000 gal pond. Photos are at the end of the pond album. http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/jrock64rose Pond is clear. Lillys are blooming. Even have 1 1/2 in baby commet/fan/subunkin/fish. Lotus are dieing. Can you burn a lotus with too much fertilizer. Spikes were stuck way on the side of the pots. JRock64 |
Sick Lotus brown leaves
Yes that WAS an Albert Greenberg
Did not overwinter in my unheated basement. 45degrees year round. Have already killed two tropicals this year.(bareroot internet ordered) Will take anyone seriously when they say minimum water temperature 55 degrees 70 degrees for growth. That was about 3 weeks ago in my neck of the woods. Mid May was way too soon. Back to the lotus. All the leaves have always been a lime green in color. Do not know what color they should be. Started out about dime size with each new leaf about 25% larger than the last. Zone 4 NW Iowa Temps in the low 90's PH 8.5 to 9+ I thought that lillys and lotus would take all the sun you could give them. Dug for the fertilizer spike and could find no trace of it before the clay clouded over the water. Leaves seem to be turning brown now as soon as they unroll at the surface. JRock64 "Wendy Kelly Budd" wrote in message ... My lotus didn't do well it's first year. Planted it in early spring, it grew slightly, then at the end of July it died. Or so I thought. It came back the next spring. I agree, too high/low pH could be the problem. It's hard for me to tell in the photo, but do the new leaves emerge looking all over pale? More lime green than green? As for feeding, I read somewhere not to feed a lotus until it has 10 or more leaves, this has worked for me. Mind you, I would plant it in soil (unenriched regular garden soil). Does anyone else have their lotus in sand & clay only and have a low fish load? Another thing that comes to mind, you could remove that rock from the growing tip; it should only be there to keep the tuber from floating until the lotus takes root. Very nice lilies! Is that mottled-leafed lily a Leopardess or an Albert Greenberg? Love those leaves! -- Wendy* in N. California, "Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school." - Albert Einstein "jrock64" wrote in message news:IV2Ra.73528$N7.8514@sccrnsc03... H E L P ! ! My lotus leaves are turning brown about 3 days after they reach the surface. No Ariels yet. About 3 inches across. Started with tubers 3/4 by 4 inches. Chawna Basu and Chineese Double Rose. Planted in sand and kitty litter in a 8 gallon tub 16 in across. approx 6 in below water surface Full sun from 11am to 6pm Last fertilized with one tomato spike(3/4 x 1.5) about a week ago. Pots were started with 3 spikes each about mid May Useing 2 Tbsp muriate of potash every other week in 2000 gal pond. Photos are at the end of the pond album. http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/jrock64rose Pond is clear. Lillys are blooming. Even have 1 1/2 in baby commet/fan/subunkin/fish. Lotus are dieing. Can you burn a lotus with too much fertilizer. Spikes were stuck way on the side of the pots. JRock64 |
Sick Lotus brown leaves
Sorry
My news server said it was not connecting. JRock64 |
Sick Lotus brown leaves
There will be many who disagree with me, but for growing plants, if your pH
is 8.5, it's too high. It's a long story, that prior to coffee isn't coming back to me, but generally speaking, too high pH and plants can't absorb many required nutrients. You add plants sticks and the plants sit there starving. By any chance, do you know if your water is soft or hard (GH test kit). Do you add potash? Darn, sorry that Albert didn't make it. You think the growers would know not to send you a plant too soon. However, your tropical lily problem could be related to your lotus' problem. My tropicals make it through the winter and my water goes down to 39°F, average is 45°F for two months during winter. -- Wendy* in N. California, "Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school." - Albert Einstein "jrock64" wrote in message news:2MlRa.79994$Ph3.8725@sccrnsc04... Yes that WAS an Albert Greenberg Did not overwinter in my unheated basement. 45degrees year round. Have already killed two tropicals this year.(bareroot internet ordered) Will take anyone seriously when they say minimum water temperature 55 degrees 70 degrees for growth. That was about 3 weeks ago in my neck of the woods. Mid May was way too soon. Back to the lotus. All the leaves have always been a lime green in color. Do not know what color they should be. Started out about dime size with each new leaf about 25% larger than the last. Zone 4 NW Iowa Temps in the low 90's PH 8.5 to 9+ I thought that lillys and lotus would take all the sun you could give them. Dug for the fertilizer spike and could find no trace of it before the clay clouded over the water. Leaves seem to be turning brown now as soon as they unroll at the surface. JRock64 "Wendy Kelly Budd" wrote in message ... My lotus didn't do well it's first year. Planted it in early spring, it grew slightly, then at the end of July it died. Or so I thought. It came back the next spring. I agree, too high/low pH could be the problem. It's hard for me to tell in the photo, but do the new leaves emerge looking all over pale? More lime green than green? As for feeding, I read somewhere not to feed a lotus until it has 10 or more leaves, this has worked for me. Mind you, I would plant it in soil (unenriched regular garden soil). Does anyone else have their lotus in sand & clay only and have a low fish load? Another thing that comes to mind, you could remove that rock from the growing tip; it should only be there to keep the tuber from floating until the lotus takes root. Very nice lilies! Is that mottled-leafed lily a Leopardess or an Albert Greenberg? Love those leaves! -- Wendy* in N. California, "Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school." - Albert Einstein "jrock64" wrote in message news:IV2Ra.73528$N7.8514@sccrnsc03... H E L P ! ! My lotus leaves are turning brown about 3 days after they reach the surface. No Ariels yet. About 3 inches across. Started with tubers 3/4 by 4 inches. Chawna Basu and Chineese Double Rose. Planted in sand and kitty litter in a 8 gallon tub 16 in across. approx 6 in below water surface Full sun from 11am to 6pm Last fertilized with one tomato spike(3/4 x 1.5) about a week ago. Pots were started with 3 spikes each about mid May Useing 2 Tbsp muriate of potash every other week in 2000 gal pond. Photos are at the end of the pond album. http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/jrock64rose Pond is clear. Lillys are blooming. Even have 1 1/2 in baby commet/fan/subunkin/fish. Lotus are dieing. Can you burn a lotus with too much fertilizer. Spikes were stuck way on the side of the pots. JRock64 |
Sick Lotus brown leaves
"Wendy Kelly Budd" wrote in message ... There will be many who disagree with me, but for growing plants, if your pH is 8.5, it's too high. snip I'd only pick one bone with that statement, and that would be all plants have different pH requirements. I would guess there are 1 or 2 that grow nicely above 8.5 BV. |
Sick Lotus brown leaves
On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:37:11 GMT, "jrock64" wrote:
Zone 4 NW Iowa Temps in the low 90's PH 8.5 to 9+ There's your problem, high temps and the plant is wanting to grow, grow, grow, but the pH is limiting its ability to take up nutrients. Check your Kh, give me how many gallons and what critters resides in your pond and I can help you lower that pH with muriatic acid. Wonder if MirAcid makes a spike? ~ jan See my ponds and filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Wet!~ Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website |
Sick Lotus brown leaves
Jan, I notice you mention Muriatic Acid ... My Pond pH
is always high. I use 1 cup of Baking Soda for every 1,000 gallon of water. I do this as a matter of course. Every two weeks or so I put in another 1 cup of Baking Soda - next day I test KH. It has worked fine for the pond. This fish pond water is then used to flood the lotus pond. I notice you are using sand for a planting medium ... works fine, doesn't it? The gals who were advising me told me not to use sand .... I didn't listen (!) and has worked for me. That must have been one of the things that worked for you too. That, and adding the touch of acid to the water ;) Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message ... On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:37:11 GMT, "jrock64" wrote: Zone 4 NW Iowa Temps in the low 90's PH 8.5 to 9+ There's your problem, high temps and the plant is wanting to grow, grow, grow, but the pH is limiting its ability to take up nutrients. Check your Kh, give me how many gallons and what critters resides in your pond and I can help you lower that pH with muriatic acid. Wonder if MirAcid makes a spike? ~ jan See my ponds and filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Wet!~ Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website |
Sick Lotus brown leaves
I need to correct my last post.. I was referring to marginals and lilies
when I mentioned pea gravel/sand. For lotuses, I still use clay, as I sink them in my "farm"/dirt pond in 3 ft diameter containers, which I fill with the clay I dug out of the pond to put the container into. I don't maintain lotus in my 8,000 gallon water garden per se, although there is no reason I could not. I also have a couple of tubs sunk in gardens away from ponds and water gardens with lotus in them. Easy to maintain and no weeding hassles! Make great backdrops to buildings, etc. Happy ponding, Greg -- "Gregory Young" wrote in message ... I agree with Nedra and Jan.. pea gravel, sand, etc makes fine potting media, instead of soil. No nutrients to leach out into the pond and cause further algal blooms. I use the gravel as it is lighter than the sand, and much easier to clean up if you knock it over.. Happy ponding, Greg -- "Nedra" wrote in message rthlink.net... Jan, I notice you mention Muriatic Acid ... My Pond pH is always high. I use 1 cup of Baking Soda for every 1,000 gallon of water. I do this as a matter of course. Every two weeks or so I put in another 1 cup of Baking Soda - next day I test KH. It has worked fine for the pond. This fish pond water is then used to flood the lotus pond. I notice you are using sand for a planting medium ... works fine, doesn't it? The gals who were advising me told me not to use sand .... I didn't listen (!) and has worked for me. That must have been one of the things that worked for you too. That, and adding the touch of acid to the water ;) Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message ... On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:37:11 GMT, "jrock64" wrote: Zone 4 NW Iowa Temps in the low 90's PH 8.5 to 9+ There's your problem, high temps and the plant is wanting to grow, grow, grow, but the pH is limiting its ability to take up nutrients. Check your Kh, give me how many gallons and what critters resides in your pond and I can help you lower that pH with muriatic acid. Wonder if MirAcid makes a spike? ~ jan See my ponds and filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Wet!~ Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website |
Sick Lotus brown leaves
Hi Greg,
Your method of planting lotuses is the "old fashioned" way! Wish I were physically able to handle 3 foot wide containers of clay. Your containers of lotus sound charming... scattered about so to speak. My lotus pond is lined only because the two 'on-line' ladies who were helping me told me to line it ... lol There is no way I could handle a 3 foot wide container full of clay and lotus. My largest container is about 20 inches wide - I'm doing good to get that eased into the pond. I have so many plants that have jumped the pots and are growing into the sand in the pond. I will have a heck of time trying to divide next spring. Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "Gregory Young" wrote in message ... I need to correct my last post.. I was referring to marginals and lilies when I mentioned pea gravel/sand. For lotuses, I still use clay, as I sink them in my "farm"/dirt pond in 3 ft diameter containers, which I fill with the clay I dug out of the pond to put the container into. I don't maintain lotus in my 8,000 gallon water garden per se, although there is no reason I could not. I also have a couple of tubs sunk in gardens away from ponds and water gardens with lotus in them. Easy to maintain and no weeding hassles! Make great backdrops to buildings, etc. Happy ponding, Greg -- "Gregory Young" wrote in message ... I agree with Nedra and Jan.. pea gravel, sand, etc makes fine potting media, instead of soil. No nutrients to leach out into the pond and cause further algal blooms. I use the gravel as it is lighter than the sand, and much easier to clean up if you knock it over.. Happy ponding, Greg -- "Nedra" wrote in message rthlink.net... Jan, I notice you mention Muriatic Acid ... My Pond pH is always high. I use 1 cup of Baking Soda for every 1,000 gallon of water. I do this as a matter of course. Every two weeks or so I put in another 1 cup of Baking Soda - next day I test KH. It has worked fine for the pond. This fish pond water is then used to flood the lotus pond. I notice you are using sand for a planting medium ... works fine, doesn't it? The gals who were advising me told me not to use sand .... I didn't listen (!) and has worked for me. That must have been one of the things that worked for you too. That, and adding the touch of acid to the water ;) Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message ... On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:37:11 GMT, "jrock64" wrote: Zone 4 NW Iowa Temps in the low 90's PH 8.5 to 9+ There's your problem, high temps and the plant is wanting to grow, grow, grow, but the pH is limiting its ability to take up nutrients. Check your Kh, give me how many gallons and what critters resides in your pond and I can help you lower that pH with muriatic acid. Wonder if MirAcid makes a spike? ~ jan See my ponds and filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Wet!~ Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website |
Sick Lotus brown leaves
Hi Nedra:
Don't feel bad. One of my lotuses (Indian variety... of course the largest), "secretly" sent out 3 runners into main natural/farm/dirt pond. I went out and carefully dug them out, lifted them up and wrapped them in a circular fashion, and then pushed them back into soil in the 3 foot container it was planted in. Only broke off one leading edge, which had rooted pretty deep into mud pond. Got all the remnants of that, fortunately. Once the lotuses get away from you, they can be worse than cattails (am referring to strictly in natural/mud/farm ponds). I will have to keep a closer eye on that lotus. Other 4 are well behaved, staying in their tubs! I can not move the tubs once filled with clay either.. no way, but then again I don't think I could move them filled with sand/rock either. Once in, they stay in place! The ones in the terrestrial garden are different. I could always dig the clay back out, and then remove the tubs, but they look fine where they are (got the boss to approve the location first. I told her I wasn't going to be moving those around.. Happy ponding, Greg -- "Nedra" wrote in message rthlink.net... Hi Greg, Your method of planting lotuses is the "old fashioned" way! Wish I were physically able to handle 3 foot wide containers of clay. Your containers of lotus sound charming... scattered about so to speak. My lotus pond is lined only because the two 'on-line' ladies who were helping me told me to line it ... lol There is no way I could handle a 3 foot wide container full of clay and lotus. My largest container is about 20 inches wide - I'm doing good to get that eased into the pond. I have so many plants that have jumped the pots and are growing into the sand in the pond. I will have a heck of time trying to divide next spring. Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "Gregory Young" wrote in message ... I need to correct my last post.. I was referring to marginals and lilies when I mentioned pea gravel/sand. For lotuses, I still use clay, as I sink them in my "farm"/dirt pond in 3 ft diameter containers, which I fill with the clay I dug out of the pond to put the container into. I don't maintain lotus in my 8,000 gallon water garden per se, although there is no reason I could not. I also have a couple of tubs sunk in gardens away from ponds and water gardens with lotus in them. Easy to maintain and no weeding hassles! Make great backdrops to buildings, etc. Happy ponding, Greg -- "Gregory Young" wrote in message ... I agree with Nedra and Jan.. pea gravel, sand, etc makes fine potting media, instead of soil. No nutrients to leach out into the pond and cause further algal blooms. I use the gravel as it is lighter than the sand, and much easier to clean up if you knock it over.. Happy ponding, Greg -- "Nedra" wrote in message rthlink.net... Jan, I notice you mention Muriatic Acid ... My Pond pH is always high. I use 1 cup of Baking Soda for every 1,000 gallon of water. I do this as a matter of course. Every two weeks or so I put in another 1 cup of Baking Soda - next day I test KH. It has worked fine for the pond. This fish pond water is then used to flood the lotus pond. I notice you are using sand for a planting medium ... works fine, doesn't it? The gals who were advising me told me not to use sand .... I didn't listen (!) and has worked for me. That must have been one of the things that worked for you too. That, and adding the touch of acid to the water ;) Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message ... On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:37:11 GMT, "jrock64" wrote: Zone 4 NW Iowa Temps in the low 90's PH 8.5 to 9+ There's your problem, high temps and the plant is wanting to grow, grow, grow, but the pH is limiting its ability to take up nutrients. Check your Kh, give me how many gallons and what critters resides in your pond and I can help you lower that pH with muriatic acid. Wonder if MirAcid makes a spike? ~ jan See my ponds and filter design: http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~Keep 'em Wet!~ Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a To e-mail see website |
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