What if the Nazis were nice?
 

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Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> Sorry, I shoulda trimmed the groups.
>
> Having said that, I woulda trimmed this group and left the others.

"Rich Hampel" > wrote in message
...
> Your first premise is WRONG. Many of my relatives WERE nazis.....
> Nazism was a complete totalitarian system of total governmental control
> ..... so therefore by todays definition 'nazis' would be closer to far
> left progressive liberals who seem to tolerate absolutely no other
> philosophy than their own.

Intolerance is found on both sides of the aisle. Whether it comes from the
left or right depends on the philosophy. Nazi-style Fascism is for the most
part a conservative philosophy, as opposed to Communism, which is for the
most part a liberal philosophy. Historically, both philosphies played from
the same political gamebook, however.

Matt, I agree with what you're saying. It's commonly believed that the
Nazis were far right, and in some ways they were, but they were actually
into socialism of which few today are aware of... which is what the far
left also believes in. So the Nazis did have more in common with
today's far-left than few know or would suspect. The Nazi party did
espouse socialsim, just in a different manner than Marxism did. Nazi is
actually an abbreviation for Nationalsozialismus which translates to
"National Socialism". Today's "right" certainly has no beliefs in
socliasm as the Nazi party did, the 'right' and the Nazis are as far
apart from each other in their core ideologies as they could possibly
be. Oh, does the term " National Socialist German Workers Party" which
is the proper name for the Nazi party remind anyone of anything on the
Left? If it doesn't, zone in on the "Workers Party" part. ;)

Jerry

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> "Rich Hampel" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Your first premise is WRONG. Many of my relatives WERE nazis.....
>>Nazism was a complete totalitarian system of total governmental control
>>..... so therefore by todays definition 'nazis' would be closer to far
>>left progressive liberals who seem to tolerate absolutely no other
>>philosophy than their own.
>
>
> Intolerance is found on both sides of the aisle. Whether it comes from the
> left or right depends on the philosophy. Nazi-style Fascism is for the most
> part a conservative philosophy, as opposed to Communism, which is for the
> most part a liberal philosophy. Historically, both philosphies played from
> the same political gamebook, however.
>
>

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/

Yup, that's why Hitler made the People's Car. And took the right of
the people to own firearms.
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Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Intolerance is found on both sides of the aisle. Whether it comes from the
> left or right depends on the philosophy. Nazi-style Fascism is for the most
> part a conservative philosophy, as opposed to Communism, which is for the
> most part a liberal philosophy. Historically, both philosphies played from
> the same political gamebook, however.

Bill, permit me to correct thing you said. The Weimar Republic actually
launched firearm registration and confiscation in hopes the keep firearms
out of the hands of the Fascists, Communists and the FreeKorps. When the
National Socialists came to power in 1933, the registration lists were used
to confiscate the few remaining private firearms.

Norm

"L.W. ("ßill") Hughes III" > wrote in message
...
Yup, that's why Hitler made the People's Car. And took the right of
the people to own firearms.
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http://www.billhughes.com/

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Intolerance is found on both sides of the aisle. Whether it comes from the
> left or right depends on the philosophy. Nazi-style Fascism is for the
> most
> part a conservative philosophy, as opposed to Communism, which is for the
> most part a liberal philosophy. Historically, both philosphies played from
> the same political gamebook, however.

So Hitler gave his people the right to own firearms, back to them?
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Norm & Debbie wrote:
>
> Bill, permit me to correct thing you said. The Weimar Republic actually
> launched firearm registration and confiscation in hopes the keep firearms
> out of the hands of the Fascists, Communists and the FreeKorps. When the
> National Socialists came to power in 1933, the registration lists were used
> to confiscate the few remaining private firearms.
>
> Norm

That's not what I said - you were half right. The process of depriving the
right to own firearms started under the Weimar Republic.

Norm

"L.W. ("ßill") Hughes III" > wrote in message
...
So Hitler gave his people the right to own firearms, back to them?
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http://www.billhughes.com/

Norm & Debbie wrote:
>
> Bill, permit me to correct thing you said. The Weimar Republic actually
> launched firearm registration and confiscation in hopes the keep firearms
> out of the hands of the Fascists, Communists and the FreeKorps. When the
> National Socialists came to power in 1933, the registration lists were
> used
> to confiscate the few remaining private firearms.
>
> Norm

Half right? Another f**king bleeding heart liberal with no
reasoning ability!
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http://www.billhughes.com/

Norm & Debbie wrote:
>
> That's not what I said - you were half right. The process of depriving the
> right to own firearms started under the Weimar Republic.
>
> Norm

Bill, I will not insulted by being labeled as liberal. I politely tried to
add to your comment by correcting you. I tried to give the historical view
to that period in Germany that gave rise to National Socialism. Please read
your history and don't so quick to insult people who want to help you.

Norm


"L.W. ("ßill") Hughes III" > wrote in message
...
Half right? Another f**king bleeding heart liberal with no
reasoning ability!
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http://www.billhughes.com/

Norm & Debbie wrote:
>
> That's not what I said - you were half right. The process of depriving
> the
> right to own firearms started under the Weimar Republic.
>
> Norm

Socialism??????
"This year will go down in history. For the first time a civilized
nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police
more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future."
-- A. Hitler 1935

--
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http://www.billhughes.com/

Norm & Debbie wrote:
>
> Bill, I will not insulted by being labeled as liberal. I politely tried to
> add to your comment by correcting you. I tried to give the historical view
> to that period in Germany that gave rise to National Socialism. Please read
> your history and don't so quick to insult people who want to help you.
>
> Norm
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") Hughes III" > wrote in message
> ...
> Half right? Another f**king bleeding heart liberal with no
> reasoning ability!
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> http://www.billhughes.com/
>
> Norm & Debbie wrote:
> >
> > That's not what I said - you were half right. The process of depriving
> > the
> > right to own firearms started under the Weimar Republic.
> >
> > Norm

Again Bill, please research that period in Germany. The term NAZI is a
contraction of the term National Socialism. As far as the quotation from
Adolf Hitler - he never said it. Please research it.

Norm


"L.W. ("ßill") Hughes III" > wrote in message
...
Socialism??????
"This year will go down in history. For the first time a civilized
nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police
more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future."
-- A. Hitler 1935

--
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

Norm & Debbie wrote:
>
> Bill, I will not insulted by being labeled as liberal. I politely tried
> to
> add to your comment by correcting you. I tried to give the historical
> view
> to that period in Germany that gave rise to National Socialism. Please
> read
> your history and don't so quick to insult people who want to help you.
>
> Norm
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") Hughes III" > wrote in message
> ...
> Half right? Another f**king bleeding heart liberal with no
> reasoning ability!
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> http://www.billhughes.com/
>
> Norm & Debbie wrote:
> >
> > That's not what I said - you were half right. The process of depriving
> > the
> > right to own firearms started under the Weimar Republic.
> >
> > Norm

Debbie, please research Fascism:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&i...=Google+Search
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http://www.billhughes.com/

Norm & Debbie wrote:
>
> Again Bill, please research that period in Germany. The term NAZI is a
> contraction of the term National Socialism. As far as the quotation from
> Adolf Hitler - he never said it. Please research it.
>
> Norm

Bill, we know that it is a form of government, but do you know where the
term originated? On the Italian Blackshirts' party badge are bundles of
wrapped sticks called fascis (sp?). IL Duce's movement was called Fascists
after the bundles of wrapped sticks on their badges.

Norm

"L.W. ("ßill") Hughes III" > wrote in message
...
Debbie, please research Fascism:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&i...=Google+Search
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

Norm & Debbie wrote:
>
> Again Bill, please research that period in Germany. The term NAZI is a
> contraction of the term National Socialism. As far as the quotation from
> Adolf Hitler - he never said it. Please research it.
>
> Norm

Why don't you tell me about it, you may learn something Debbie.
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http://www.billhughes.com/

Norm & Debbie wrote:
>
> Bill, we know that it is a form of government, but do you know where the
> term originated? On the Italian Blackshirts' party badge are bundles of
> wrapped sticks called fascis (sp?). IL Duce's movement was called Fascists
> after the bundles of wrapped sticks on their badges.
>
> Norm

Bill, I must conclude that you are a jerk. After trying to engage you in a
historical discussion about a turbulent period in history that resounds into
the present, you continue to insult me. Have nice
life.............................

Norm (not Debbie, Can't you read?)

"L.W. ("ßill") Hughes III" > wrote in message
...
Why don't you tell me about it, you may learn something Debbie.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

Norm & Debbie wrote:
>
> Bill, we know that it is a form of government, but do you know where the
> term originated? On the Italian Blackshirts' party badge are bundles of
> wrapped sticks called fascis (sp?). IL Duce's movement was called
> Fascists
> after the bundles of wrapped sticks on their badges.
>
> Norm

But you write like a pussy.
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http://www.billhughes.com/

Norm & Debbie wrote:
>
> Bill, I must conclude that you are a jerk. After trying to engage you in a
> historical discussion about a turbulent period in history that resounds into
> the present, you continue to insult me. Have nice
> life.............................
>
> Norm (not Debbie, Can't you read?)

Ignorance on display.

Norm

"L.W. ("ßill") Hughes III" > wrote in message
...
But you write like a pussy.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

Norm & Debbie wrote:
>
> Bill, I must conclude that you are a jerk. After trying to engage you in
> a
> historical discussion about a turbulent period in history that resounds
> into
> the present, you continue to insult me. Have nice
> life.............................
>
> Norm (not Debbie, Can't you read?)

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but whips and chains excite
me.
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http://www.billhughes.com/

Dave Milne wrote:
>
> Actually, it was called that in the days of the Roman Republic, symbolising
> unity - each stick was weak, but wrapped together made the whole strong. The
> symbolic bundle was carried by Roman magistrates.
>
> On the topic of sticks, seeing I'm on a roll here, "faggot" is a derogatory
> name for homosexual as we used to burn them.
>
> And lastly,but not least, February is named "February" after the ritual
> where blokes would run around hitting naked women with the "februa" (plural
> of februum) which was a whip or stick. We did this to make women more
> fertile.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

> Yup, that's why Hitler made the People's Car.

Wrong again Bill.
Dr. Porsche had that in the works for many years, prototypes were in
development before the nazis came into power.
--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California

Good come back, Bill. LOL. I would be honored to drink adult beverages
with you sometime.

Norm

"L.W. ("ßill") Hughes III" > wrote in message
...
Sticks and stones may break my bones, but whips and chains excite
me.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

Dave Milne wrote:
>
> Actually, it was called that in the days of the Roman Republic,
> symbolising
> unity - each stick was weak, but wrapped together made the whole strong.
> The
> symbolic bundle was carried by Roman magistrates.
>
> On the topic of sticks, seeing I'm on a roll here, "faggot" is a
> derogatory
> name for homosexual as we used to burn them.
>
> And lastly,but not least, February is named "February" after the ritual
> where blokes would run around hitting naked women with the "februa"
> (plural
> of februum) which was a whip or stick. We did this to make women more
> fertile.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

Do you really believe Volkswagen would have been built without
Hitler's organizing the people to build it for free on the promise they
would be given one. Hitler's drawing:
http://www.hitler.org/artifacts/volkswagen/
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Paul Calman wrote:
>
> Wrong again Bill.
> Dr. Porsche had that in the works for many years, prototypes were in
> development before the nazis came into power.
> --
> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
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Dave Milne wrote:
>
> After some research, here is an interesting theory :
>
> The Greek word for witness is "parastates" (someone who stands next to
> someone else), also is the Greek word for testicles ; it could be that the
> Romans adopted the Greek double meaning.
>
> Did you do Classics out of interest ?
>
> From Nazis, to Sticks, now Testicles. Amazing conversation, but I think we
> have strayed somewhat off topic !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

The HITLER museum?
try this.
http://www.vvwca.com/features/history/

--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California

Whoops, this one
http://www.vvwca.com/features/history/porsche/

--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California

In that case, the thread should have ended with the first post...

"L.W. (ßill) Hughes III" > wrote in message
...
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> http://www.billhughes.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > After some research, here is an interesting theory :
> >
> > The Greek word for witness is "parastates" (someone who stands next to
> > someone else), also is the Greek word for testicles ; it could be that
the
> > Romans adopted the Greek double meaning.
> >
> > Did you do Classics out of interest ?
> >
> > From Nazis, to Sticks, now Testicles. Amazing conversation, but I think
we
> > have strayed somewhat off topic !
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

I think Ashcroft and Gonzales would have you placed on a watch list...

"L.W. (ßill) Hughes III" > wrote in message
...
> Sticks and stones may break my bones, but whips and chains excite
> me.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> http://www.billhughes.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > Actually, it was called that in the days of the Roman Republic,
symbolising
> > unity - each stick was weak, but wrapped together made the whole strong.
The
> > symbolic bundle was carried by Roman magistrates.
> >
> > On the topic of sticks, seeing I'm on a roll here, "faggot" is a
derogatory
> > name for homosexual as we used to burn them.
> >
> > And lastly,but not least, February is named "February" after the ritual
> > where blokes would run around hitting naked women with the "februa"
(plural
> > of februum) which was a whip or stick. We did this to make women more
> > fertile.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

Pinkos, like Kalifornia's Boxer have obviously have never seen the
Navy Seal training documentary made in San Diego. I can't believe what
they think it's torture, I remember the naked dog pile thing we had to
do in the army, and how embarrassed and queer if felt, but I was just
too tired, cold and broken.
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http://www.billhughes.com/

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> I think Ashcroft and Gonzales would have you placed on a watch list...

Total Bullsh*t from a Volkswagen club trying to justify their
driving the nazi's people's car.
And Of coarse, Porsche built it, just like Ford and Willys built
Bantam's model.
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Paul Calman wrote:
>
> Whoops, this one
> http://www.vvwca.com/features/history/porsche/
>
> --
> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California

So then hitler was an automotive engineer,designing cars remarkably similar
to Porsche's earlier designs. Yup, Trust good old goebbels and the hitler
museum for the straight dope. Bill's swallowed 69 year old socialist
propaganda.
I could recommend a few books.
BTW, Henry Ford was a supporter of hitler, until war came. Do you own a
Ford?

--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California

Hitler was not an engineer, he was a leader, with ideas the people
liked, and one of them was the People's Car. I've already showed you his
1932 free hand drawing of:
http://www.hitler.org/artifacts/volk...volkswagen.jpg
Ford wasn't an engineer either.
The whole world shared Hitler's views, that's why we didn't allow
Jews to immigrate.
Worst part of it is, most of our bleeding heart liberals over
looked Saddam Hussein's killing, too.
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Paul Calman wrote:
>
> So then hitler was an automotive engineer,designing cars remarkably similar
> to Porsche's earlier designs. Yup, Trust good old goebbels and the hitler
> museum for the straight dope. Bill's swallowed 69 year old socialist
> propaganda.
> I could recommend a few books.
> BTW, Henry Ford was a supporter of hitler, until war came. Do you own a
> Ford?
>
> --
> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California

You've been lied to, Bill, but you aren't alone -- a lot of people have
been told that that is an authentic quote and they repeat it believing it
is true. It isn't: There's no record of that quote in any speech made by
Hitler. The usual citation points to Page 3, article 2 of the April 15,
1935 issue of the Berlin Daily. It isn't the Page 3 of that issue is
the Arts and Culture page, no Hitler speeches. The Straight Dope talks
about it he

2. The Straight Dope Mailbag: The Straight Dope Mailbag: Did Hitler ban
gun ownership?
<URL:http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mhitlergun.html>

And reports that the pro-gun newsgroup talk.politics.guns debunks it
he

<URL:http://rkba.org/research/rkba.faq>

Propaganda, no matter how noble the purpose, is always bad.

I'm certainly not interested in arguing about it, but since you're a guy
that has a reputation for handing out good information I thought that you
should know.


On Wed, 19 Jan 2005, L.W.([iso-8859-1] Bill) Hughes III wrote:

> Socialism??????
> "This year will go down in history. For the first time a civilized
> nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police
> more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future."
> -- A. Hitler 1935
>
> --
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> http://www.billhughes.com/
>

The fact is, Hitler could not have taken over without the
confiscation of the people's firearms. Period. The Gestapo would have
been blown away, just like any special police would have been here. Only
the weeny cowardly bleeding heart liberal could believe any different!
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http://www.billhughes.com/

Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> You've been lied to, Bill, but you aren't alone -- a lot of people have
> been told that that is an authentic quote and they repeat it believing it
> is true. It isn't: There's no record of that quote in any speech made by
> Hitler. The usual citation points to Page 3, article 2 of the April 15,
> 1935 issue of the Berlin Daily. It isn't the Page 3 of that issue is
> the Arts and Culture page, no Hitler speeches. The Straight Dope talks
> about it he
>
> 2. The Straight Dope Mailbag: The Straight Dope Mailbag: Did Hitler ban
> gun ownership?
> <URL:http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mhitlergun.html>
>
> And reports that the pro-gun newsgroup talk.politics.guns debunks it
> he
>
> <URL:http://rkba.org/research/rkba.faq>
>
> Propaganda, no matter how noble the purpose, is always bad.
>
> I'm certainly not interested in arguing about it, but since you're a guy
> that has a reputation for handing out good information I thought that you
> should know.