How to adjust the Fuel/Air Mixture
Does anyone have a reasonable fix, aside from purchasing the FM-ECU ? TIA... - L '97 STO, "Chouki" // Change TEJAS to TX to reply via eMail // |
What for?
There are seveal "tricks" for specific purposes. Alter air temperature readings Change air flow readings. "Clamp" the O2 sensor reading These really only work for/during open loop, or for a very short time in closed loop, since the O2 sensor is going to cause the ECU to adjust the mixture in closed loop. The O2 clamp has some longer term possibilities, if the "rich lean" change is enough to fool the ECU. It may also be necessary to alter the second O2 sensor signal. The usual thing is to fool the ECU and add more fuel with a timing retard as well. It's likely that springing for an aftermarket ECU is in your future. .. "L Bader" > wrote in message ... > > Does anyone have a reasonable fix, aside from purchasing the FM-ECU ? > > TIA... > > - L > > '97 STO, "Chouki" > > // Change TEJAS to TX to reply via eMail // --- Outgoing mail is AVG certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.782 / Virus Database: 528 - Release Date: 10/22/2004 |
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:30:33 -0400, "chuckk"
> wrote: >What for? After replacing the intake, building a cold air box for said intake, and a high-flow exhaust from manifold back, I seem to be running a bit lean... >It's likely that springing for an aftermarket ECU is in your future. I figured as much, but thought I would ask... Original question below: >> >> Does anyone have a reasonable fix, aside from purchasing the FM-ECU ? >> '97 STO, "Chouki" // Change TEJAS to TX to reply via eMail // |
In your case, I'd be thinking about the placement of the air flow sensor. It
may be that it's not reading quite what you need. The timing retard is usually only needed if you add forced air (turbo/supercharger) I'd also replace the fuel filter if you haven't already done so. Another thing to do is to see if the fuel pressure drops below normal at higher throttle settings. "L Bader" > wrote in message ... > On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:30:33 -0400, "chuckk" > > wrote: > >>What for? > > After replacing the intake, building a cold air box for said intake, > and a high-flow exhaust from manifold back, I seem to be running a bit > lean... > >>It's likely that springing for an aftermarket ECU is in your future. > > I figured as much, but thought I would ask... > > Original question below: >>> >>> Does anyone have a reasonable fix, aside from purchasing the FM-ECU ? >>> > > '97 STO, "Chouki" > > // Change TEJAS to TX to reply via eMail // --- Outgoing mail is AVG certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.782 / Virus Database: 528 - Release Date: 10/22/2004 |
L Bader > wrote:
>On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:30:33 -0400, "chuckk" > wrote: > >>What for? > >After replacing the intake, building a cold air box for said intake, >and a high-flow exhaust from manifold back, I seem to be running a bit >lean... Why do you say so? You should be putting only a small percentage more air through the system as usual. Apparently, the JR uses a resistor in the air temperature circuit to trick the ECU in adding more fuel. You could try the same with a much smaller resistor. I do not remember what the resistance of the JR kit one is, (if I ever knew,) but you could try the power forum on miataforum.com. Following chuck's advice in insuring the proper operation of the OEM system first seems like a good idea, though. You hate to have to take out the resistor later again after you replace the fuel filter or fuel pump, say. Leon >>It's likely that springing for an aftermarket ECU is in your future. > >I figured as much, but thought I would ask... > >Original question below: >>> >>> Does anyone have a reasonable fix, aside from purchasing the FM-ECU ? >>> > >'97 STO, "Chouki" > >// Change TEJAS to TX to reply via eMail // -- Leon van Dommelen :) Bozo, the White 96 Sebring Miata .) http://www.dommelen.net/miata EXIT THE INTERSTATES (Jamie Jensen) |
I don't know if that's a good indication these days. The feds insist that
the engine run leaner than they did in the old days when we used pipe discoloration to judge rich/lean. "L Bader" > wrote in message ... > Chuck - > > Thanks for the lead. The car has ~43K miles on it. Having owned it > for only 6 months, I've not changed the fuel filter. > > > Leon - > > My reasoning for the "running lean" assessment is due to the blueing > verse s bronzing of the RB 4-1 stainless header. > > I agree that changing the filter is a first option over adding a > resistor of unknown size... > > - L > > > > On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:59:05 GMT, > (Leon van Dommelen) wrote: > >>L Bader > wrote: >> >>>On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:30:33 -0400, "chuckk" > wrote: >>> >>>>What for? >>> >>>After replacing the intake, building a cold air box for said intake, >>>and a high-flow exhaust from manifold back, I seem to be running a bit >>>lean... >> >>Why do you say so? You should be putting only a small percentage more >>air through the system as usual. >> >>Apparently, the JR uses a resistor in the air temperature circuit to >>trick the ECU in adding more fuel. You could try the same with a much >>smaller resistor. I do not remember what the resistance of the JR kit >>one is, (if I ever knew,) but you could try the power forum on >>miataforum.com. >> >>Following chuck's advice in insuring the proper operation of the >>OEM system first seems like a good idea, though. You hate to >>have to take out the resistor later again after you replace the >>fuel filter or fuel pump, say. >> >>Leon >> >>>>It's likely that springing for an aftermarket ECU is in your future. >>> >>>I figured as much, but thought I would ask... >>> >>>Original question below: >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone have a reasonable fix, aside from purchasing the FM-ECU ? >>>>> >>> >>>'97 STO, "Chouki" >>> >>>// Change TEJAS to TX to reply via eMail // > > '97 STO, "Chouki" > > // Change TEJAS to TX to reply via eMail // --- Outgoing mail is AVG certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/2004 |
Chuck -
I've talked with a few other gear-heads and have come to the same conclusion. -- Based upon the lack of CEL and the relatively unchanged fuel consumption post exhaust upgrade, I am guessing things are OK... Thanks to those that chimed in... - L On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 22:30:39 -0500, "chuckk" > wrote: >I don't know if that's a good indication these days. The feds insist that >the engine run leaner than they did in the old days when we used pipe >discoloration to judge rich/lean. > >"L Bader" > wrote in message .. . >> Chuck - >> >> Thanks for the lead. The car has ~43K miles on it. Having owned it >> for only 6 months, I've not changed the fuel filter. >> >> >> Leon - >> >> My reasoning for the "running lean" assessment is due to the blueing >> verse s bronzing of the RB 4-1 stainless header. >> >> I agree that changing the filter is a first option over adding a >> resistor of unknown size... >> >> - L >> >> >> >> On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:59:05 GMT, >> (Leon van Dommelen) wrote: >> >>>L Bader > wrote: >>> >>>>On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:30:33 -0400, "chuckk" > wrote: >>>> >>>>>What for? >>>> >>>>After replacing the intake, building a cold air box for said intake, >>>>and a high-flow exhaust from manifold back, I seem to be running a bit >>>>lean... >>> >>>Why do you say so? You should be putting only a small percentage more >>>air through the system as usual. >>> >>>Apparently, the JR uses a resistor in the air temperature circuit to >>>trick the ECU in adding more fuel. You could try the same with a much >>>smaller resistor. I do not remember what the resistance of the JR kit >>>one is, (if I ever knew,) but you could try the power forum on >>>miataforum.com. >>> >>>Following chuck's advice in insuring the proper operation of the >>>OEM system first seems like a good idea, though. You hate to >>>have to take out the resistor later again after you replace the >>>fuel filter or fuel pump, say. >>> >>>Leon >>> >>>>>It's likely that springing for an aftermarket ECU is in your future. >>>> >>>>I figured as much, but thought I would ask... >>>> >>>>Original question below: >>>>>> >>>>>> Does anyone have a reasonable fix, aside from purchasing the FM-ECU ? >>>>>> >>>> >>>>'97 STO, "Chouki" >>>> >>>>// Change TEJAS to TX to reply via eMail // >> >> '97 STO, "Chouki" >> >> // Change TEJAS to TX to reply via eMail // > > >--- >Outgoing mail is AVG certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/2004 > '97 STO, "Chouki" // Change TEJAS to TX to reply via eMail // |
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