What is ATF + 4 Trans Fluid
 

My owners manual for a 2001 Dodge Intrepid said use ATF + 4.
I havn't seen it. Is it the same as ATF DEXTRON H ???

What is ATF + 4 Trans Fluid
 

Cougar wrote:

> My owners manual for a 2001 Dodge Intrepid said use ATF + 4.
> I havn't seen it. Is it the same as ATF DEXTRON H ???

There's Dexron (not "Dextron") H, the successor to Dexron III, but
according Exxon-Mobil it is NOT an acceptable substitute for Chrysler
ATF+4:

http://www.mobil.com/usa-English/Lub...il_ATF_D_M.asp

Exxon-Mobil now seems to have a fluid that is an approved substitute
for Chrysler ATF+4, called "Multi-Vehicle ATF":

http://www.mobil.com/USA-ENGLISH/Lub...ehicle_ATF.asp

However the link above doesn't specifically mention ATF+4 so I would
contact 1-800-ASK--MOBIL before putting even an ounce of Multi-Vehicle
ATF in a Chrysler 4-speed or 5-speed automatic transmision. Be sure
it's compatible with ATF+4, a synthetic, and not just ATF+3, which is
not synthetic (at least not completely synthetic). Also do not
substitute another transmission fluid or add a friction modifier, such
as Lubeguard, to common Dexron III/Dexron H since Chrysler does not
approve it, and don't listen to people who say they work perfectly
well, unless they'll put up a bond to guarantee all repairs to your
transmission. $7 a quart for the correct ATF+4 fluid isn't much of a
price premium to protect a transmisson known its higher than average
failure rate (a new fluid specification every 2-3 years means Chrysler
knows the design is bad) and to keep its warranty in effect.
Transmissions aren't as tolerant of the wrong lubricants as engines
are.

What is ATF + 4 Trans Fluid
 

Cougar wrote:

> My owners manual for a 2001 Dodge Intrepid said use ATF + 4.
> I havn't seen it. Is it the same as ATF DEXTRON H ???

1) There's no such thing as Dextron. Its Dexron.

2) ATF+4 is a friction-modified fluid required for the proper function
of the torque convertor lockup clutch. Its NOT the same as Dexron,
Mercon, Type F, or any other fluid.

3) Go to the dealer and buy it. Its pricey, but a WHOLE lot cheaper than
a rebuilt transmission.

What is ATF + 4 Trans Fluid
 

Thanks
On 8 Jul 2006 01:16:29 -0700, wrote:

>
>Cougar wrote:
>
>> My owners manual for a 2001 Dodge Intrepid said use ATF + 4.
>> I havn't seen it. Is it the same as ATF DEXTRON H ???
>
>There's Dexron (not "Dextron") H, the successor to Dexron III, but
>according Exxon-Mobil it is NOT an acceptable substitute for Chrysler
>ATF+4:
>
>http://www.mobil.com/usa-English/Lub...il_ATF_D_M.asp
>
>Exxon-Mobil now seems to have a fluid that is an approved substitute
>for Chrysler ATF+4, called "Multi-Vehicle ATF":
>
>http://www.mobil.com/USA-ENGLISH/Lub...ehicle_ATF.asp
>
>However the link above doesn't specifically mention ATF+4 so I would
>contact 1-800-ASK--MOBIL before putting even an ounce of Multi-Vehicle
>ATF in a Chrysler 4-speed or 5-speed automatic transmision. Be sure
>it's compatible with ATF+4, a synthetic, and not just ATF+3, which is
>not synthetic (at least not completely synthetic). Also do not
>substitute another transmission fluid or add a friction modifier, such
>as Lubeguard, to common Dexron III/Dexron H since Chrysler does not
>approve it, and don't listen to people who say they work perfectly
>well, unless they'll put up a bond to guarantee all repairs to your
>transmission. $7 a quart for the correct ATF+4 fluid isn't much of a
>price premium to protect a transmisson known its higher than average
>failure rate (a new fluid specification every 2-3 years means Chrysler
>knows the design is bad) and to keep its warranty in effect.
>Transmissions aren't as tolerant of the wrong lubricants as engines
>are.
>

What is ATF + 4 Trans Fluid
 

Thank for your info
On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 14:24:21 -0500, Steve > wrote:

>Cougar wrote:
>
>> My owners manual for a 2001 Dodge Intrepid said use ATF + 4.
>> I havn't seen it. Is it the same as ATF DEXTRON H ???
>
>1) There's no such thing as Dextron. Its Dexron.
>
>2) ATF+4 is a friction-modified fluid required for the proper function
>of the torque convertor lockup clutch. Its NOT the same as Dexron,
>Mercon, Type F, or any other fluid.
>
>3) Go to the dealer and buy it. Its pricey, but a WHOLE lot cheaper than
>a rebuilt transmission.
>

What is ATF + 4 Trans Fluid
 

"Steve" > wrote in message
...

> 2) ATF+4 is a friction-modified fluid required for the proper function
> of the torque convertor lockup clutch. Its NOT the same as Dexron,
> Mercon, Type F, or any other fluid.

http://www.ptcruiserlinks.com/forum/...?TOPIC_ID=3675

What do you think, Steve?

What is ATF + 4 Trans Fluid
 

> wrote in message
. net...
>
> "Steve" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > 2) ATF+4 is a friction-modified fluid required for the proper function
> > of the torque convertor lockup clutch. Its NOT the same as Dexron,
> > Mercon, Type F, or any other fluid.
>
> http://www.ptcruiserlinks.com/forum/...?TOPIC_ID=3675
>
> What do you think, Steve?

Going a little further, I have to service my 1997 Van with the 727 tranny
soon.
Would the AFT+4 quality fluid be advisable??

What is ATF + 4 Trans Fluid
 

wrote:

> Going a little further, I have to service my 1997 Van with the 727 tranny
> soon.
> Would the AFT+4 quality fluid be advisable??

No. Just use Dexron. The 727 was designed for Dexron-like fluid and
is known to run forever on it, so don't risk anything else. I wouldn't
even bother with synthetic Dexron but instead would install an external
transmission oil cooler.

What is ATF + 4 Trans Fluid
 

> wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> wrote:
>
> > Going a little further, I have to service my 1997 Van with the 727
tranny
> > soon.
> > Would the AFT+4 quality fluid be advisable??
>
> No. Just use Dexron. The 727 was designed for Dexron-like fluid and
> is known to run forever on it, so don't risk anything else. I wouldn't
> even bother with synthetic Dexron but instead would install an external
> transmission oil cooler.

I remember the last time I had the tranny serviced, it used a special
Chrysler type
fluid. This tranny now has 110,000 on it, and I should have it serviced
soon.
I probably wont do it myself, as I just dont have the time right now.

What is ATF + 4 Trans Fluid
 

wrote:

> "Steve" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>
>>2) ATF+4 is a friction-modified fluid required for the proper function
>>of the torque convertor lockup clutch. Its NOT the same as Dexron,
>>Mercon, Type F, or any other fluid.
>
>
> http://www.ptcruiserlinks.com/forum/...?TOPIC_ID=3675
>
> What do you think, Steve?

They always said that eventually the aftermarket would pick up ATF+4. I
don't know specifically about Valvoline, but it wouldn't surprise me.
What I DO know is that the additive package was developed by Texaco and
a small chemical company whose name I forget and that Chevron/Texaco
makes the fluid branded as "Mopar," so I'd expect Chevron/Texaco to be
one of the first to market with a true ATF+4 equivalent.