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Nighthawk September 28th 04 05:26 AM

How to read test kits result
 
Well this might sound like a dump question from the subject but am kind of
confused.

I went to the LFS to get a calcium test kit and this time i am buying the
SeaTest test kit and after a brief conversation with the owner. he told me
to test it correctly and i asked him what do u mean by correctly. He said
when you add the reagent drop by drop to count how many drops, i should stop
when the drop hit the solution in the test tube ( not after you shake or
swirl until the reagent has mixed in well with the rest of the test water ).

As far as i know, if the reagent is to react with all Calcium ion in the
test solution, i should be swirling and shake it to make sure all Calcium
ions are reacted to get an accurate reading rather than on at the top
portion when the drop hits the water and turns blue.

Can someone shed some lights on this.

Thx in advance for any help.



Mort September 28th 04 05:58 AM

I'm no expert, and from the sound of it, neither is the LFS owner.

In other words, I think that guy is wrong but I'm sure someone else can
verify that like boomer.

hth

~Mort

"Nighthawk" wrote in message
news:1K56d.549864$gE.276499@pd7tw3no...
Well this might sound like a dump question from the subject but am kind of
confused.

I went to the LFS to get a calcium test kit and this time i am buying the
SeaTest test kit and after a brief conversation with the owner. he told

me
to test it correctly and i asked him what do u mean by correctly. He said
when you add the reagent drop by drop to count how many drops, i should

stop
when the drop hit the solution in the test tube ( not after you shake or
swirl until the reagent has mixed in well with the rest of the test

water ).

As far as i know, if the reagent is to react with all Calcium ion in the
test solution, i should be swirling and shake it to make sure all Calcium
ions are reacted to get an accurate reading rather than on at the top
portion when the drop hits the water and turns blue.

Can someone shed some lights on this.

Thx in advance for any help.





4G Mitsubishi September 28th 04 10:36 AM

i agree, the drops always turn colour on the top bit of water b4 u shake it
anway. and then changes all of the water colour when u shake it

i dont think it would even posable to have the water change colour b4 u
shake it cos it will always change colour when u shake it b4 adding the next
drop

"Mort" wrote in message
m...
I'm no expert, and from the sound of it, neither is the LFS owner.

In other words, I think that guy is wrong but I'm sure someone else can
verify that like boomer.

hth

~Mort

"Nighthawk" wrote in message
news:1K56d.549864$gE.276499@pd7tw3no...
Well this might sound like a dump question from the subject but am kind
of
confused.

I went to the LFS to get a calcium test kit and this time i am buying the
SeaTest test kit and after a brief conversation with the owner. he told

me
to test it correctly and i asked him what do u mean by correctly. He said
when you add the reagent drop by drop to count how many drops, i should

stop
when the drop hit the solution in the test tube ( not after you shake or
swirl until the reagent has mixed in well with the rest of the test

water ).

As far as i know, if the reagent is to react with all Calcium ion in the
test solution, i should be swirling and shake it to make sure all Calcium
ions are reacted to get an accurate reading rather than on at the top
portion when the drop hits the water and turns blue.

Can someone shed some lights on this.

Thx in advance for any help.







Robert Cadieux September 28th 04 05:29 PM

The LFS is an idiot. Shake it. Their is NO WAY the chemist that designed
the test can predict how the drop is going to fall in just the right way to
react with just enough water in the test tube to react by changing colour in
only the top portion. Add one drop, shake, another, shake, etc, until the
colour changes and remains changed. And BTW, I'm a chemist so I know how
these tests work. You need a homogenous solution.

Robert


"Nighthawk" wrote in message
news:1K56d.549864$gE.276499@pd7tw3no...
Well this might sound like a dump question from the subject but am kind of
confused.

I went to the LFS to get a calcium test kit and this time i am buying the
SeaTest test kit and after a brief conversation with the owner. he told

me
to test it correctly and i asked him what do u mean by correctly. He said
when you add the reagent drop by drop to count how many drops, i should

stop
when the drop hit the solution in the test tube ( not after you shake or
swirl until the reagent has mixed in well with the rest of the test

water ).

As far as i know, if the reagent is to react with all Calcium ion in the
test solution, i should be swirling and shake it to make sure all Calcium
ions are reacted to get an accurate reading rather than on at the top
portion when the drop hits the water and turns blue.

Can someone shed some lights on this.

Thx in advance for any help.





sal September 28th 04 08:49 PM

You could always "calibrate" the test yourself: get a sample of water with no Ca (i.e. RO) and add a fixed amount of Ca to it. Now test that water
using both methods (and to be "scientific", test a third "control sample" with no added calcium) and see which reads the proper amount against the
given test colour. I'd recommend using CaCl2 rather than Ca(OH)2 for this test since it's already in solution and Ca(OH)2 isn't that soluble so you'd
have to use a super tiny amount that would be hard to weigh precisely. You'll need to remember some HS stoichiometry of course! I've done this before
and it works well (haven't tried it specifically w/ Ca though). Just my 2cents



i agree, the drops always turn colour on the top bit of water b4 u shake it
anway. and then changes all of the water colour when u shake it

i dont think it would even posable to have the water change colour b4 u
shake it cos it will always change colour when u shake it b4 adding the next
drop

"Mort" wrote in message
m...

I'm no expert, and from the sound of it, neither is the LFS owner.

In other words, I think that guy is wrong but I'm sure someone else can
verify that like boomer.

hth

~Mort

"Nighthawk" wrote in message
news:1K56d.549864$gE.276499@pd7tw3no...

Well this might sound like a dump question from the subject but am kind
of
confused.

I went to the LFS to get a calcium test kit and this time i am buying the
SeaTest test kit and after a brief conversation with the owner. he told


me

to test it correctly and i asked him what do u mean by correctly. He said
when you add the reagent drop by drop to count how many drops, i should


stop

when the drop hit the solution in the test tube ( not after you shake or
swirl until the reagent has mixed in well with the rest of the test


water ).

As far as i know, if the reagent is to react with all Calcium ion in the
test solution, i should be swirling and shake it to make sure all Calcium
ions are reacted to get an accurate reading rather than on at the top
portion when the drop hits the water and turns blue.

Can someone shed some lights on this.

Thx in advance for any help.







Iain September 28th 04 09:25 PM

On a slightly different subject, when comparing varying colours of the test
to a sample colour card, should you hold the test up to the card or slightly
away (if so, from what distance) and under what lighting conditions. The
instructions are never clear

Some test kits have colours that are so close between each value, that 2
people in the same room with the same test would give a different reading.

My guess is that you should hold the test directly up against the card in
neutral lighting.



"Nighthawk" wrote in message
news:1K56d.549864$gE.276499@pd7tw3no...
Well this might sound like a dump question from the subject but am kind of
confused.

I went to the LFS to get a calcium test kit and this time i am buying the
SeaTest test kit and after a brief conversation with the owner. he told
me to test it correctly and i asked him what do u mean by correctly. He
said when you add the reagent drop by drop to count how many drops, i
should stop when the drop hit the solution in the test tube ( not after
you shake or swirl until the reagent has mixed in well with the rest of
the test water ).

As far as i know, if the reagent is to react with all Calcium ion in the
test solution, i should be swirling and shake it to make sure all Calcium
ions are reacted to get an accurate reading rather than on at the top
portion when the drop hits the water and turns blue.

Can someone shed some lights on this.

Thx in advance for any help.




Marc Levenson September 29th 04 06:21 AM

Try to do your testing during the daytime, and view your
results under indirect sunlight. Or buy 6500K bulbs for
your kitchen and look at your kits under that lighting.

Marc


Iain wrote:

On a slightly different subject, when comparing varying colours of the test
to a sample colour card, should you hold the test up to the card or slightly
away (if so, from what distance) and under what lighting conditions. The
instructions are never clear

Some test kits have colours that are so close between each value, that 2
people in the same room with the same test would give a different reading.

My guess is that you should hold the test directly up against the card in
neutral lighting.



"Nighthawk" wrote in message
news:1K56d.549864$gE.276499@pd7tw3no...

Well this might sound like a dump question from the subject but am kind of
confused.

I went to the LFS to get a calcium test kit and this time i am buying the
SeaTest test kit and after a brief conversation with the owner. he told
me to test it correctly and i asked him what do u mean by correctly. He
said when you add the reagent drop by drop to count how many drops, i
should stop when the drop hit the solution in the test tube ( not after
you shake or swirl until the reagent has mixed in well with the rest of
the test water ).

As far as i know, if the reagent is to react with all Calcium ion in the
test solution, i should be swirling and shake it to make sure all Calcium
ions are reacted to get an accurate reading rather than on at the top
portion when the drop hits the water and turns blue.

Can someone shed some lights on this.

Thx in advance for any help.





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CapFusion September 29th 04 07:58 PM

Or use a fine grade white paper for the background and compare the two
solution.

CapFusion,...


"Marc Levenson" wrote in message
.. .
Try to do your testing during the daytime, and view your
results under indirect sunlight. Or buy 6500K bulbs for
your kitchen and look at your kits under that lighting.

Marc


Iain wrote:

On a slightly different subject, when comparing varying colours of the

test
to a sample colour card, should you hold the test up to the card or

slightly
away (if so, from what distance) and under what lighting conditions.

The
instructions are never clear

Some test kits have colours that are so close between each value, that

2
people in the same room with the same test would give a different

reading.

My guess is that you should hold the test directly up against the card

in
neutral lighting.



"Nighthawk" wrote in message
news:1K56d.549864$gE.276499@pd7tw3no...

Well this might sound like a dump question from the subject but am kind

of
confused.

I went to the LFS to get a calcium test kit and this time i am buying

the
SeaTest test kit and after a brief conversation with the owner. he told
me to test it correctly and i asked him what do u mean by correctly. He
said when you add the reagent drop by drop to count how many drops, i
should stop when the drop hit the solution in the test tube ( not after
you shake or swirl until the reagent has mixed in well with the rest of
the test water ).

As far as i know, if the reagent is to react with all Calcium ion in the
test solution, i should be swirling and shake it to make sure all

Calcium
ions are reacted to get an accurate reading rather than on at the top
portion when the drop hits the water and turns blue.

Can someone shed some lights on this.

Thx in advance for any help.





--
Personal Page:
http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/oanda/index.html
Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com
Marine Hobbyist: http://www.melevsreef.com





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